The Syndicate

Why does the game always start when I'm the most low energy?

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

I want the guilty on nutella to be legit

Wow this got intense so quick

lol if nutella is salty alexa caught her n0

Is this game by any chance bastard? I didn't check before joining

Is soup kill a thing?

I'm now confused by this setup

Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

lol if the alexa/nutella w/w theory is right

Who is Neeko?

Wait I think the existence of a mafia captain should almost clear me from ever being picked as mafia this game

Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first.

Soup kill is annoying because there is always a number of airheads that will claim their role for no reason and then like five or more town die in one night

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:11 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:49 pm Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games
I think you are.

I'm not mafia and this makes your push on me even more annoying

If I was mafia captain I would choose players tbh even if it is not mechanically optimal. I would much rather have an enjoyable team to play with.

I know I'd never be picked by the mafia captain if they chose players over roles

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:17 pm early take is that Seanzie is probably wolfing imo

Thought I was the only one seeing it

Is it bad to speculate who mafia captain would pick or wouldn't ever pick to be mafia here?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:21 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:19 pm Is it bad to speculate who mafia captain would pick or wouldn't ever pick to be mafia here?
I’d go for it

Anyone who said they might slank anywhere is probably clear

I could also tell some names that probably wouldn't be popular picks for mafia here, but I can't be sure so I'd more conservatively townlean them than clear them.

I have a bad feeling the mafia captain just picked the boring role selection though.

Anyway, bit obvious the better mafia-aligned players got the better roles

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Didn't you do something like this last game when you were mafia?

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.
This is extremely NAI for Creature

Wait I thought you didn't even know me. Did wolfchat just inform you about that?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:38 pm Didn't you do something like this last game when you were mafia?
Oh, now you're concerned I am mafia trying to eliminate you. But when I pushed you earlier on in the game you brushed me aside and said you were annoyed.

I thought you were trying to sort me so I just shrugged off and waited for you to get to the correct conclusion. Instead you just bring up posts that aren't mafia-indicative at all and hide its bullshit between a lot of text.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.
This is extremely NAI for Creature
Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?

Fluff posts are NAI

Whatever the derp thing you mean is NAI because you don't need to put stock on them

The flame fanning or whatever could just be town trying to push something

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:46 pm
112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.
This is extremely NAI for Creature
honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town
Nah. Alison being guns blazing like this is townie and maybe this is the weakest point in the case but the rest is on the nose. Like the whole guilty conscience and 3p comment thing is pretty solid slam dunking imo.

The guilty was like half-serious. It was the best thing to push on at the time. It was that or wait for a magical case on someone.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:51 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:49 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.
This is extremely NAI for Creature
Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?
Fluff posts are NAI

Whatever the derp thing you mean is NAI because you don't need to put stock on them

The flame fanning or whatever could just be town trying to push something
It's true, I don't need to put stock in the derptells. But I think you're the kind of player who would be a lot more likely to try to derpclear yourself as scum than as town.

Flame fanning - okay. What were you trying to push, and what did you gain from those pushes? Can you elaborate on your Seanzie read?

I tend to ask before reading as both alignments.

Also, I don't need to come up with a report for every push I try to make. I just keep mental notes of how players reacted to them that may be used later in the game when I have a list of names I want to sort.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:53 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:46 pm
112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.
This is extremely NAI for Creature
honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town
Nah. Alison being guns blazing like this is townie and maybe this is the weakest point in the case but the rest is on the nose. Like the whole guilty conscience and 3p comment thing is pretty solid slam dunking imo.
The guilty was like half-serious. It was the best thing to push on at the time. It was that or wait for a magical case on someone.
But you weren't pushing on it, and this is my problem with what you said. You weren't going "I believe Alexa. Let's vote nutella out. /vote nutella". That would be pushing something, trying to get the ball rolling as town. Instead you said, "lol if nutella is salty that alexa caught her n0". This is not pushing something. This is insinuating, suggesting, provoking. It is an attempt to set nutella and alexa at each other's throats, and to more generally lend credence to the nutella wagon, without directly involving yourself or getting your hands dirty. That is why it is scummy.

I'm pretty happy provoking if it will lend me a reaction I can look into.

Also isn't my vote on nutella enough of a push?

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:56 pm Can people stop posting fake derps for ten seconds please

Do wolves have a wolfchat?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:58 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:54 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:51 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:49 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.
This is extremely NAI for Creature
Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?
Fluff posts are NAI

Whatever the derp thing you mean is NAI because you don't need to put stock on them

The flame fanning or whatever could just be town trying to push something
It's true, I don't need to put stock in the derptells. But I think you're the kind of player who would be a lot more likely to try to derpclear yourself as scum than as town.

Flame fanning - okay. What were you trying to push, and what did you gain from those pushes? Can you elaborate on your Seanzie read?
I tend to ask before reading as both alignments.

Also, I don't need to come up with a report for every push I try to make. I just keep mental notes of how players reacted to them that may be used later in the game when I have a list of names I want to sort.
Please transcribe these mental notes for us.

There's a reason why they're mental notes

I don't know enough about LP tbh

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:59 pm
112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:55 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:54 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:46 pm
112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm

This is extremely NAI for Creature
honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town
Nah. Alison being guns blazing like this is townie and maybe this is the weakest point in the case but the rest is on the nose. Like the whole guilty conscience and 3p comment thing is pretty solid slam dunking imo.
The guilty was like half-serious. It was the best thing to push on at the time. It was that or wait for a magical case on someone.
This isn't helping you
Why not?
It's a bad post and not even defending the point I was emphasizing

Well you think the guilty thing was a slam dunk and I just showed my townie mindset behind hoping it to be true even if just for lols and giggles

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:01 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:58 pm There's a reason why they're mental notes
I have quoted posts that fanned the flames, and accused you of using those posts to try to set the town at each other's throats.

Your response is that you were using them as reaction tests to learn more about the alignments of other players, and that the results of these reaction tests are kept in your head as mental notes.

I am asking you to tell us what you have learned from these reaction tests so I can verify that you are not lying or making things up.

You have refused to do so, for no apparent reason, and attempted to redirect the conversation.

Either provide a clear, succinct, and verifiable reason why you cannot tell us what you have learned from the reaction tests you supposedly engaged in, or I will be forced to assume you are lying.

Jesus Christ it's because I don't have enough notes to systematically order my thoughts down and even if I did I'm too lazy to write a whole Great Wall of China

ftr I didn't realize there was a soup kill because I didn't read the Various mechanics quote. I probably should have read it first instead of asking "wait is there a soup kill", but I tend to ask things before reading.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:07 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:01 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:59 pm
112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:55 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:54 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:46 pm

Nah. Alison being guns blazing like this is townie and maybe this is the weakest point in the case but the rest is on the nose. Like the whole guilty conscience and 3p comment thing is pretty solid slam dunking imo.
The guilty was like half-serious. It was the best thing to push on at the time. It was that or wait for a magical case on someone.
This isn't helping you
Why not?
It's a bad post and not even defending the point I was emphasizing
Well you think the guilty thing was a slam dunk and I just showed my townie mindset behind hoping it to be true even if just for lols and giggles
Guilty conscience. Alison's point about your 3p post. Not what you are referring to

Ah I thought you were talking about the alexa thing

I would much rather be accused of being 3p than mafia because that's more entertaining than the garbage preflip reads. But I'm not 3p either

I no longer think Alison is necessarily wolfing here but the case is incorrect

I expect to be consensus townread somewhere by the end of the day

Also the Alison case at least made me more engaged with the game

I feel like I shouldn't be the one towncasing myself

Okay just realized it is significantly better for mafia to choose roles over players

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:15 pm Okay just realized it is significantly better for mafia to choose roles over players

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:19 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:29 pm Town:
Alexa
Alison
Guillo
Seanzie
112
Hollowkatt
C4
Urist
Paopan

Meh/mrrr:
Linearpoint
Sloonei

Mafia:
Creature

All others no opinion
is it normal for nutella to have so many trs this early?

Not sure what that means for nutella. Would be a shame if those townreads come from the assumption I'm wolf

Setup speculating is more fun than wolf hunting

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:23 pm Setup speculating is more fun than wolf hunting

Especially when more than half the players haven't posted enough

I don't really get the LinearPoint wagon and I think they're town unless I'm missing stuff that a mere mortal like me can't comprehend.

Getting to pick my own wolfmates would be like a dream for me but I recognize that it is probably mechanically better for wolves to pick their own roles instead of their own mates.

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:33 pm P&G is quickly becoming my favourite person I just met today.

I just find it funny Mac got forcibly paired with sprityo

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:34 pm I trust autistic with my life. I think they caught linear on basically nothing and (she?) has been flailing on defense. Probably because she feels slighted that others have drowned her in votes.

You trust who?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:44 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:04 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:01 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:58 pm There's a reason why they're mental notes
I have quoted posts that fanned the flames, and accused you of using those posts to try to set the town at each other's throats.

Your response is that you were using them as reaction tests to learn more about the alignments of other players, and that the results of these reaction tests are kept in your head as mental notes.

I am asking you to tell us what you have learned from these reaction tests so I can verify that you are not lying or making things up.

You have refused to do so, for no apparent reason, and attempted to redirect the conversation.

Either provide a clear, succinct, and verifiable reason why you cannot tell us what you have learned from the reaction tests you supposedly engaged in, or I will be forced to assume you are lying.
Jesus Christ it's because I don't have enough notes to systematically order my thoughts down and even if I did I'm too lazy to write a whole Great Wall of China
Nobody is asking for a great wall of China. I'm just asking you to tell me what you've learned from your reaction tests.

I don't have a conclusion on the alexa/nutella thing yet. Though, I'm kinda buying it doesn't make sense for alexa to reveal her results like that if she was wolf rolecop here.

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