The Syndicate

Can confirm snows weird time zone. Just feel like I usually find town snow by now and I kept feeling like I hadn't gotten there... I dunno.

Jack felt pretty sincere in his frustration posts, but maybe I'm just a sucker.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:47 pm I DON'T WANT JACK DEAD]

Why you shielding him so hard all of a sudden? Just cuz he dropped the act?

Hey I was happy to vote jack earlier but I thought his frustration via breaking the roleplay sounded townie. Then he made real posts. I dunno. Maybe I should take my own advice and stop overthinking it

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:51 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:51 pm I'm not vibing with sabi reads this game so I am not convinced
When my lock town betrays me

It had to be said at some point I'm sorry I still love you

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:49 pm Bark bark, remember the fallen bark bark

? Pardon? Who is dog? Or tree?

risiinq- wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:50 pm hence, porscha, help

Idk I cant think of anything super towny you've done all game

I'm not vibing with sabi reads this game so I am not convinced

risiinq- wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:49 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:49 pm What snow what do you want from me specifically
to not vote me, perhaps

(read past 50 posts pls? if ur not busy)

I've been caught up all damn day since you loligaggers couldnt be passed to show up until 30 minutes before eod.

God I hate this.

What snow what do you want from me specifically

Imagine having a job and previously announcing youd be working until almost eod

Ok wilgy nvm you can go back to being quiet

90 mins before eod and dead silence. Poggers

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:15 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:21 pm My legacy is no scum team is going to grant me the mercy of death so I will see you all tomorrow.
Alright.

What's the percent chance Achro died for this post? If so, why did either one of Nook or Jack commit it?

As already discussed it's like 99.9% certain he died cuz he was by far and objectively the most solving player in the game.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:34 pm Alright I'm back to townreading wilgy

Based off what

Currently brain thinking on how mac repeatedly said everyone was clearing wilgy and esooa too easily cuz he felt we were underestimating them

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:26 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:25 pm The shift away from the gimmick doesn't move the needle for me, he has incentive to do so as either alignment
cool beans

I think he has incentive either way but the frustration he showed when he broke character read as townie to me

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:21 pm Done with Mac's day 1.

Noticable things:
Porscha Mac was very fluffy.

Neon received an unwarranted TR early. I do think that this is bait though.

Mac pretty much avoided all HK discussion.

Mac was probs toast after I said he didnt town tell and then like 15 minutes later he specifically @ me to say he towntold

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:18 pm Damn esooa neon wolves...hate to see it...proof is undeniable

Lol
I think...
Mac made one obvious fake distance and one real distance post between the 2 of them. Both times they were painfully awkward... so awkward in fact, he had to be aware of it. I think the posts were pointedly tactical in being made.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:23 pm Snow's iso doesn't have a smoking gun but Mac is in the middle of her read list and none of their interactions look impossible to fake.

I'm now voting for Snow for a few reasons.

1) They are the most likely Mac teammate I see after having read everybody in my POE. I'd like the wagons to be between Snow and myself over say...Nanook and myself or Santy and myself.

2) They a voting me anyway so there's no downside.

Yeah I'm down to party on snow wagon

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:17 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:37 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:33 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:31 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:15 am
risiinq- wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:03 am hmm, how do i prove that i'm not paired with santy so that sabi can reevaluate their poe....
you pretty much can't after santy turned into a vest made out of kevlar for you and you said thank you very much sir
Oof. If Snow-thing is not a wolf-thing, this post is bad-bad.
I think it's a pretty accurate representation of this entire day
What is accurate?

What Porscha says? Porscha's posts being bad-bad? The whole day-day?
Porscha

Jack If you read the start of day with the snow witch hunt and santy coming in almost single handedly dissolving it by haaaarrddd shielding snow... and snow just says thanks to him

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:53 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:48 pm I have no wolf reads
that must mean it is us who are the wolves

Does Mac open wolf with Esooa?

He also had a post exactly like this one with neon

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:02 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:43 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:30 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:08 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:54 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:46 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:45 am

Seal-thing (im rebranding) has a town core he feels comfortable with
Tell Queek now-now!

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:32 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:30 am

if you had to kill outside of hk then who would you kill today?
Probably ris, off hand

My townreads are currently sabi/santy/porscha/wilgy/esooa, really anyone outside that group is *fine*

Talk to Queek about Porscha. Why is Porscha town-thing? Queek keeps asking and no-things will say-say.
Afaik their scum range is....limited
YOU DONT HAVE TO SAY IT LIKE THAT
I was trying to be diplomatic!

just say my wolf game sucks ass next time

Anyway eod is in 5 hours ya? I'm gonna be working almost all of that time but I'll do my best to pop in and try to keep updated.

I'm not liking the state of the game rn tho.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:30 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:08 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:54 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:46 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:45 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:35 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:19 am

It's anti-town to bog down the game thread by you two ego fighting for three game days.

It literally kills everyone's wim.

So yes I will policy vote you for restarting it.

Now look at other slots. There's 9 for you to focus on.
Is only bad for town-things if we all ignore old-thing and nook-thing because cat-thing say so or because we assume things are unsortable.

Only problem with old-thing and nook-thing fight is old-thing and nook-thing not solving other slots as much.
Seal-thing (im rebranding) has a town core he feels comfortable with
Tell Queek now-now!

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:32 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:30 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:29 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:25 am nook do you think jack has wolf equity or am I being obtuse just cuz mac was being defensive about his slot
I mean, nothing hes done has really moved him out of poe for me, i would probably not kill him today cause I do think there's a decent chance mac mightve spewed him town and he does tend towards bussing/distancing, but

Don't really have an independent TR on him so I'm landing on high poe I think
if you had to kill outside of hk then who would you kill today?
Probably ris, off hand

My townreads are currently sabi/santy/porscha/wilgy/esooa, really anyone outside that group is *fine*

Talk to Queek about Porscha. Why is Porscha town-thing? Queek keeps asking and no-things will say-say.
Afaik their scum range is....limited

YOU DONT HAVE TO SAY IT LIKE THAT

santygrass wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:29 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:21 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:16 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:41 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:28 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:27 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:26 am

this is me

extending you

an olive branch

you scumread him

you scumread me

help me bus
just not really sure why you've decided to do this
there are legit so many reasons
This is thing Queek only says when he is town-thing. But for beard-thing? Probably says it as wolf-thing about town-thing only.

Queek is frustrated by beard-thing's iso.
Can you elaborate why you were frustrated here?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:18 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:03 pm Old-thing not done secret old-thing tell. No kill-slay old thing today.
jack please elaborate what tell you're referring to in regards to hk here?
This very secret tell. Old-thing no read!

Spoiler: show
When old-thing is mafia, old-thing says "I have changed my meta so your meta scumread on me is wrong"

I think nook already asked, but they had another discussion after. What do you think of old-thing replies regarding this? Your read on Old-Thing in general would help me, yes-yes
Queek frustrated that beard-thing's iso does not show obvious other wolf-things. Is frustrating to you, too, yes-yes?

Old-thing probably still town. Queek does not listen to old-thing and nook-thing chatter-shriek about meta. Secret old-thing tell somewhat a joke any way-way.
Gotchaa. I dont have the same feeling cuz I see Mac Iso and see good unpairings yes-yes. And leaves me a good PoE of people who were kinda sus already like you/Hk/Neon (Neon maybe less) so my plan is to solve there and go Chop-Chop. 1 wolf guaranteed

Dont worry jack, mac's iso is undoubtedly frustrating. Dont listen to santy lying that it's not frustrating

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:28 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:13 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:42 pm Like,even if Mac flipped town how Jack voted at EoD is bad. And in general is bad fwiw.

Probably should relook at some post from EoD that maybe I confbiased as circlejrking or something with hollowkatt tho, cuz at that moment I wanted Mac's blood and they were in my way
yes I agree with the general shielding of each other but I also know that jack was riding the "santy is wolf" wave all of day 1 day 2 and only put you as town now. could have been a fake reason for his voting on you instead of mac
Porscha: Queek suspects Santy BEFORE wagon on beard-thing.

Also Porscha: Maybe Queek fake thinks Santy is wolf-thing only to avoid voting beard-thing.

Sorry queek I'm just a dum-dum who was mistaken on when you were doing what

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:30 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:48 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:42 pm Like,even if Mac flipped town how Jack voted at EoD is bad. And in general is bad fwiw.

Probably should relook at some post from EoD that maybe I confbiased as circlejrking or something with hollowkatt tho, cuz at that moment I wanted Mac's blood and they were in my way
what? But Mac literally wasn't a wolf lol and this completely misses the point of Nanook saying he would have been bussing
Am...I reading this wrong.

lmao yeah idk mac was in fact literally a wolf, so

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:28 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:40 am In that world we are assuming the final 2 wolves have literally 0 threadpull? It's definitely possible I suppose
just b/c jack could be wolf with 0 threadpull it doesnt mean the other wolf doesn't have threadpull. they just might not be using it to shield jack much

because if i'm wolf here... and my best defense for wolf partner jack is that mac could have tmi'd him... then the only person to suggest that was nook. and i'm not sure a wolf would even bother since the defense is pretty poor

idk my thing about jack is that if the best defense for him is that 50/50 chances mac tmi'd or didn't tmi him then that's just......... not great

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:56 am I just

Want to be a potatoe

@Porscha can we be French fries or tater tots now

baby I was born ready to be fried and crispy

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:40 am In that world we are assuming the final 2 wolves have literally 0 threadpull? It's definitely possible I suppose

just b/c jack could be wolf with 0 threadpull it doesnt mean the other wolf doesn't have threadpull. they just might not be using it to shield jack much

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:48 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:45 am Yeah who would dare try to have fun playing mafia
It's not the fun. It just makes it quite impossible to read and solve a slot. It's anti fun for everyone else.

I like it sometimes

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:29 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:28 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:28 am its really hard for me to know if jack is a hit or not cuz of the gimmick ngl
that shouldn't be the reason why it's hard to read him
whatcha mean

for me it's definitely part of it and then no meta

the no meta and low post count should be what is making it hard. the gimmick is simple since he only speaks about 4 people.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:33 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:15 am
risiinq- wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:03 am hmm, how do i prove that i'm not paired with santy so that sabi can reevaluate their poe....
you pretty much can't after santy turned into a vest made out of kevlar for you and you said thank you very much sir
I'm pretty heavily of the belief it is never w/w but one of them is probably a woof and the more I think about it I think that might actually be Santy not Riis

secretly I considered this but in my shame I shoo'd away the thought

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:31 am tbh if im being completely real with u i think wolves imagined that mac would go over either early day 2 or like mid day 2. Because of this i think we might be misclearing or giving credit to those that pushed hard on day 2 rather than day 1. That's why I originally stated that Esooa and I were cleared a lot harder because we were pushing at a point where a partner pushing is -EV

this is also something I considered

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:28 am its really hard for me to know if jack is a hit or not cuz of the gimmick ngl

that shouldn't be the reason why it's hard to read him

nook do you think jack has wolf equity or am I being obtuse just cuz mac was being defensive about his slot

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:28 pm Look at Santy-thing's iso. Many statements. Much information yes-yes. But all worthless! Even nasty salad. Bleh! Queek does not eat salad, no-no! Eat wolf-things, instead. Queek smells wolf-thing fear-musk on Santy. Too nice to be skaven.

I guess if 9/12 was day 2 then yeah this is jack's first post sr'ing santy. my bad

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:18 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:11 am No more talks of hk vs Nook.

No no topic.

I will policy vote anyone bringing it up again.

Let's be productive folks. It's been three game days of tat shit fest.
Why tho

sabi is trying to repent for their ate sins and prevent more of it from hk to keep hk from having a meltdown

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:17 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:13 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:42 pm Like,even if Mac flipped town how Jack voted at EoD is bad. And in general is bad fwiw.

Probably should relook at some post from EoD that maybe I confbiased as circlejrking or something with hollowkatt tho, cuz at that moment I wanted Mac's blood and they were in my way
yes I agree with the general shielding of each other but I also know that jack was riding the "santy is wolf" wave all of day 1 day 2 and only put you as town now. could have been a fake reason for his voting on you instead of mac
Jack progress on santy:

D1: tr santy
D2: sr santy
D3: tr santy

mmm... I read through jack's entire iso... i'm almost certain it was scrumread on santy from the very start.

risiinq- wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:16 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:15 am
Spoiler: show

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:29 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:27 am @hollowkatt here's the relevant part

Want to you guys talk about more about the 'Meta dont being applicable here part that hk mentions. Cuz I think Nanook statementes where accurate? Like, of them being relatively to each game and a good tell and stuff, so why they dont apply here...?

tldr

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:37 am Alright

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:43 am Idk how you expect me to find you town off your responses lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:44 am Like if you want to talk about why the read doesn't apply here we can but your responses so far are

Hard not to read as mafia lol

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:47 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:43 am Idk how you expect me to find you town off your responses lol
I haven't expected you to find me town since the middle of D1 when you suddenly decided I wasn't. Why should I bother trying to do that now?
this isn't a pissy thing, it's a legit question.
What benefit do I, or the thread, gain by trying to prove to you that I'm town? You have no credit or I'd be top wagon. you couldn't get me over D1, couldn't do it D2, can't do it today.

I don't think you're wolfing, I think you're just tunneled and don't feel like breaking you out of it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:49 am The amount of time you spent writing a post that amounts to a fancy "fuck you nanook" could've just as easily been spent actually engaging with the question lol. I'm not looking for an eight paragraph essay, literally just looking for like one or two actually relevant sentences

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:54 am If I don't find you I WILL get you over at some point, or ill get NKed and santy will get you over. Either way, if you're town it would be pretty good if I can find you here lol, all im asking for is like a minute or two of engagement, pretty reasonable imo

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:29 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:54 am If I don't find you I WILL get you over at some point, or ill get NKed and santy will get you over. Either way, if you're town it would be pretty good if I can find you here lol, all im asking for is like a minute or two of engagement, pretty reasonable imo
fine, what do you want from me?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:38 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:29 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:54 am If I don't find you I WILL get you over at some point, or ill get NKed and santy will get you over. Either way, if you're town it would be pretty good if I can find you here lol, all im asking for is like a minute or two of engagement, pretty reasonable imo
fine, what do you want from me?
Why does relative volume tell doesn't apply to this game?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:39 am Whoops forgot how to talk lol

"Why does your relative volume tell not apply this game?"

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:02 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:38 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:29 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:54 am If I don't find you I WILL get you over at some point, or ill get NKed and santy will get you over. Either way, if you're town it would be pretty good if I can find you here lol, all im asking for is like a minute or two of engagement, pretty reasonable imo
fine, what do you want from me?
Why does relative volume tell doesn't apply to this game?
because my "hk is frozen and crying in wolf chat" tell is almost always a strict volume tell, not relative.

My average post count as a wolf follows a downward sloping trend with D1 typically being the highest at around 100 with the average being much closer to 60-80. My peak count as town is about 150-200 with an average in the mid 110-120 range. Of course this is all game dependent and post caps can have an impact, but it is almost a strict volume tell more like Michelles volume tell but not quite as stark.

As games continue my wolf games have drop offs of between 20-25 posts per day and my town game either has a slightly elevated count or has a drop of between 10-15.

Relative volume doesn't count this game because by the end of D1 we had players approaching 500 posts in some instances. I've never, as any alignment, hung with anyone posting more than 300 times. I think the highest I've ever cracked on any D1 has been 250. Trying to hang with multiple people posting over 300 times on D1 isn't something I've ever done nor will I ever do. I don't have the time, desire, or finger capacity for that many posts in a phase.

So when you say "HK has a relative post count tell as wolf" you're ignoring that this game started with some extreme hyperposting and are attempting to hold me to some kind of unreasonable standard. The sole reason I don't think you're a wolf trying to push me over here is because I think you firmly believe what it is you're trying to sell regarding me. At first I thought you were wolfy and opportunistic but the longer you've stuck with it the more I think "nanook believes this" and from my chair I can't argue with what you believe as it is, on face value, accurate.

It just so happens to be wrong. Having 300ish posts on D3 is absolutely on par for my game. You think it's wolfy because we also have
879
631
630
487
450

in this game. I can't control how much other people post. I post when I can as much as I can as good as I can. If that isn't enough posts, or the posts aren't when they should be happening there's nothing I can (or will) do about it. I have other things to do besides play mafia games. ffs this game already has more than twice the number of posts as my entire S7 qualifier did and I dominated that game by post count. It''s got to be approaching one of the largest syndicate games ever played.

I haven't engaged with you because I don't think I can change your mind. It's why I've basically ignored what you're posting about when you're talking about me. I've tried focusing on other people, engaging with them, and using that to show I'm town. If it's not working that's on me, I get that, but at some point I've got to ask myself why bother trying to change nanooks mind, it's not working when I post freely, give thoughts unprompted on things, and generally aren't making the types of major missteps with my game.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:35 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:02 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:38 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:29 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:54 am If I don't find you I WILL get you over at some point, or ill get NKed and santy will get you over. Either way, if you're town it would be pretty good if I can find you here lol, all im asking for is like a minute or two of engagement, pretty reasonable imo
fine, what do you want from me?
Why does relative volume tell doesn't apply to this game?
because my "hk is frozen and crying in wolf chat" tell is almost always a strict volume tell, not relative.

My average post count as a wolf follows a downward sloping trend with D1 typically being the highest at around 100 with the average being much closer to 60-80. My peak count as town is about 150-200 with an average in the mid 110-120 range. Of course this is all game dependent and post caps can have an impact, but it is almost a strict volume tell more like Michelles volume tell but not quite as stark.

As games continue my wolf games have drop offs of between 20-25 posts per day and my town game either has a slightly elevated count or has a drop of between 10-15.

Relative volume doesn't count this game because by the end of D1 we had players approaching 500 posts in some instances. I've never, as any alignment, hung with anyone posting more than 300 times. I think the highest I've ever cracked on any D1 has been 250. Trying to hang with multiple people posting over 300 times on D1 isn't something I've ever done nor will I ever do. I don't have the time, desire, or finger capacity for that many posts in a phase.

So when you say "HK has a relative post count tell as wolf" you're ignoring that this game started with some extreme hyperposting and are attempting to hold me to some kind of unreasonable standard. The sole reason I don't think you're a wolf trying to push me over here is because I think you firmly believe what it is you're trying to sell regarding me. At first I thought you were wolfy and opportunistic but the longer you've stuck with it the more I think "nanook believes this" and from my chair I can't argue with what you believe as it is, on face value, accurate.

It just so happens to be wrong. Having 300ish posts on D3 is absolutely on par for my game. You think it's wolfy because we also have
879
631
630
487
450

in this game. I can't control how much other people post. I post when I can as much as I can as good as I can. If that isn't enough posts, or the posts aren't when they should be happening there's nothing I can (or will) do about it. I have other things to do besides play mafia games. ffs this game already has more than twice the number of posts as my entire S7 qualifier did and I dominated that game by post count. It''s got to be approaching one of the largest syndicate games ever played.

I haven't engaged with you because I don't think I can change your mind. It's why I've basically ignored what you're posting about when you're talking about me. I've tried focusing on other people, engaging with them, and using that to show I'm town. If it's not working that's on me, I get that, but at some point I've got to ask myself why bother trying to change nanooks mind, it's not working when I post freely, give thoughts unprompted on things, and generally aren't making the types of major missteps with my game.
Mafia, 265 posts in 2 days (132.5 avg) https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread

Mafia, 271 in 2 days (135.5 avg) https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... %29/page60

The tell has always been relative to thread volume, not a straight volume tell. Something we've talked about and you've acknowledged in the past, I believe? So I'm confused that you're trying to refute it now lol

The thread inflation argument is a fair enough one, but even if I adjust to a more relatively reasonable thread volume, you're still in the "I need to look at hk range." Like yeah, this thread volume is crazy, but your ratio is low for a "reasonable" 4k post game too, it isn't low just by this game's absurd standards. Its also not even the main reason I'm SRing you, though I suppose its the easiest to combat so fair enough.

at some point I've got to ask myself why bother trying to change nanooks mind
This is hard to take seriously when you've dodged responding to me in any meaningful way for two game days lol, seems like that point was right away

Your response could have changed my mind, but arguing the tell is different than what I've demonstrated it to be both in this game and in the past, the misrepresentation of your own play, and your general dismissiveness, it isn't doing it for me tbh

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:22 pmok

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:22 pm [VOTE: hk] aubergine I'm bored now and apparently even my best isn't good enough

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:05 pm @santygrass do you have eod1 vc? Host hasn't been saving polls

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:18 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:17 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:32 am Anyway to clarify my position about HK bus not making a lot of sense, if that statement is actually true it would mean the following people are fine:

Sabi, Lily, Nook, Jack, Santy, and Esooa and of course RIP Ender

If I am remembering the wagons correctly.

Viable off votals partners with a wolf HK are Me, Mac, Porscha, Wilgy, Snow, Neon with HK being wolf in this scenario and RIP OW.

The issue I have with this is I feel like OW's strong SRs were at times me/santy/lily, but in this model 2 of these voted for HK and I know I am town so there are worlds where HK was onto something somewhere he but I don't think those worlds exist with him being wrong about HK.

So as I've said before I think HK is just town.
Think here
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Excellent, thank you

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:24 pm EoD D1 Votecount

(As recalled by Achro, call out a mistake if you see one) We know for sure it was 8-7 tho.)

Ender (8) - Visorslash , MacDougall , Porscha, Wilgy, Snow, Neon , Achromatic, Hollowkatt
Hollowkatt (7) Sabi, Lily, Nook, Jack, Santy, Esooa, Enderwiggin

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:18 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:03 pm Old-thing not done secret old-thing tell. No kill-slay old thing today.
jack please elaborate what tell you're referring to in regards to hk here?
This very secret tell. Old-thing no read!

Spoiler: show
When old-thing is mafia, old-thing says "I have changed my meta so your meta scumread on me is wrong"

.....

How is that materially different from his "your meta is wrong" defense against me, lol

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:45 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:18 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:03 pm Old-thing not done secret old-thing tell. No kill-slay old thing today.
jack please elaborate what tell you're referring to in regards to hk here?
This very secret tell. Old-thing no read!

Spoiler: show
When old-thing is mafia, old-thing says "I have changed my meta so your meta scumread on me is wrong"

.....

How is that materially different from his "your meta is wrong" defense against me, lol
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME explain to me what my "ratio" should have been to be town via volume in a game that had 3343 posts when D1 ended. Then explain to me where I find the time between a job, a 6yr old that needs supervision, help with school work, getting off the bus, bathed, fed, I cook dinner every night for between 45-60 minutes, then eat said food for 30 minutes, then sleep at least 6 hours. I'll wait.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:52 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:45 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:18 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:05 pm

jack please elaborate what tell you're referring to in regards to hk here?
This very secret tell. Old-thing no read!

Spoiler: show
When old-thing is mafia, old-thing says "I have changed my meta so your meta scumread on me is wrong"

.....

How is that materially different from his "your meta is wrong" defense against me, lol
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME explain to me what my "ratio" should have been to be town via volume in a game that had 3343 posts when D1 ended. Then explain to me where I find the time between a job, a 6yr old that needs supervision, help with school work, getting off the bus, bathed, fed, I cook dinner every night for between 45-60 minutes, then eat said food for 30 minutes, then sleep at least 6 hours. I'll wait.
You're ignoring the part where I said adjusted for a 4k post game its still low lol

And the part where I linked mafia games you've had similar volume?

Please tho, continue arguing against this straw man

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:52 pm Like you're trying to sound reasonable but you're just completely ignoring what I've said lol

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:40 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:52 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:45 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:18 pm

This very secret tell. Old-thing no read!

Spoiler: show
When old-thing is mafia, old-thing says "I have changed my meta so your meta scumread on me is wrong"

.....

How is that materially different from his "your meta is wrong" defense against me, lol
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME explain to me what my "ratio" should have been to be town via volume in a game that had 3343 posts when D1 ended. Then explain to me where I find the time between a job, a 6yr old that needs supervision, help with school work, getting off the bus, bathed, fed, I cook dinner every night for between 45-60 minutes, then eat said food for 30 minutes, then sleep at least 6 hours. I'll wait.
You're ignoring the part where I said adjusted for a 4k post game its still low lol

And the part where I linked mafia games you've had similar volume?

Please tho, continue arguing against this straw man
ask JJJ to turn ignore back on and forget I exist I'm done talking

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:41 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:52 pm Like you're trying to sound reasonable but you're just completely ignoring what I've said lol
no I'm really fucking not but this conversation is infinitely aggravating and I'm no longer participating in it. You vote me, I vote you, nobody else gives a flying fuck

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:42 pm someone ping me when the next day starts

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:50 pm Like ok, I'm not going to shut up for a minute but it's like this:
You've been pushing me this entire game on some bullshit volume tell and that's literally it. You're not arguing content, you're not arguing I'm doing wolfy things. For fucks sake you didn't even care about how hard I defended Mac yesterday.
Your entire schtick is "HK has a volume tell".

There's no teeth behind your push either, it's weak, lame, and boring. At least combine it with "and also defended mac" or "started the esooa flash wagon", or "appears to be lurking the thread and only posts when he's pressured", or literally any of the other traditionally wolfy things that I've done this game.

BUT YOU HAVEN"T?!

That's the part I can't grok and it's why I now think you're a wolf.
All you're doing is arguing semantics and whether or not I have a strict volume tell or a relativistic volume tell.

So no, I'm done. My vote is parked and idgaf any more

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:05 pm Ok boomer

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:06 pm Ftr you turned this into a discussion about the volume tell lol, ive been clear all along its only a contributing factor and the bigger reason is your posts lowkey suck

Which I've been trying to be polite about and couch in friendlier terms but if you're gonna turn the hk rage cannon my way I no longer feel compelled to do

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:09 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:06 pm Ftr you turned this into a discussion about the volume tell lol, ive been clear all along its only a contributing factor and the bigger reason is your posts lowkey suck

Which I've been trying to be polite about and couch in friendlier terms but if you're gonna turn the hk rage cannon my way I no longer feel compelled to do
I'm all out of rage, just bored with the push you can't seem to articulate better than volume tell.
Funny how you didn't bring up "my posts are bad" until I told you you haven't done so yet.

Anyways: counter to volume tell: GOC 2020. I subbed in late D2 for Thunal and lived to N8 when I was the NK. In that time (6 days) I had just over 600 posts. 100ish per day.
Which is exactly what I'm at here.
I was town.

If your bigger reason was my posts lowkey suck why is this the first time you've said anything? Like I can work with "lowkey suck", I can dialog about that, we can look at my posts and you can ask questions, but you haven't nanook. your whole case is predicated on volume tell which I've already discussed.

If you want to talk about sucky posts lets do that. Find some, ask me about them, dialog. I can't, and won't, dialog about volume tell any further, it's pointless.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:20 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:09 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:06 pm Ftr you turned this into a discussion about the volume tell lol, ive been clear all along its only a contributing factor and the bigger reason is your posts lowkey suck

Which I've been trying to be polite about and couch in friendlier terms but if you're gonna turn the hk rage cannon my way I no longer feel compelled to do
I'm all out of rage, just bored with the push you can't seem to articulate better than volume tell.
Funny how you didn't bring up "my posts are bad" until I told you you haven't done so yet.

Anyways: counter to volume tell: GOC 2020. I subbed in late D2 for Thunal and lived to N8 when I was the NK. In that time (6 days) I had just over 600 posts. 100ish per day.
Which is exactly what I'm at here.
I was town.

If your bigger reason was my posts lowkey suck why is this the first time you've said anything? Like I can work with "lowkey suck", I can dialog about that, we can look at my posts and you can ask questions, but you haven't nanook. your whole case is predicated on volume tell which I've already discussed.

If you want to talk about sucky posts lets do that. Find some, ask me about them, dialog. I can't, and won't, dialog about volume tell any further, it's pointless.
If you can't tell that "volume thing is a contributing factor" means that the volume tell isn't the only reason I'm SRing you, something I've been saying since d1, im flabbergasted

Your posts are lifeless, I was hoping if you're town you'd have some kind of "im not feeling the game for x y or z reason" thing, you fixated on the volume tell then lashed out, so I'm done talking to you. Zero desire to engage in this.

QUOTE DUMP BEWARE. think there should be the recent exchange between them @risiinq- . Now I go to sleep. Tomorrow I'll try to do some more that I konda ignored Jack lasts posts amd thats no Bueno
thank you very much sir

*cri*

risiinq- wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:03 am hmm, how do i prove that i'm not paired with santy so that sabi can reevaluate their poe....

you pretty much can't after santy turned into a vest made out of kevlar for you and you said thank you very much sir

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:42 pm Like,even if Mac flipped town how Jack voted at EoD is bad. And in general is bad fwiw.

Probably should relook at some post from EoD that maybe I confbiased as circlejrking or something with hollowkatt tho, cuz at that moment I wanted Mac's blood and they were in my way

yes I agree with the general shielding of each other but I also know that jack was riding the "santy is wolf" wave all of day 1 day 2 and only put you as town now. could have been a fake reason for his voting on you instead of mac

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:02 pm tempted to say mac tmi-ed jack town the same way he did outed wolf

:/ instantly threw wrench into my thoughts

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:57 pm @Porscha did you read my case on Mac/Jack D2? I quoted it at SoD today. I am asking cuz you asked opinions on your Jack Iso or smth. And that have most of my thoughts regarding Jack tbh

I probs did I likely just forgot due to your quote posts being long bois. summary?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:38 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:37 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:33 pm Old-thing @hollowkatt, what thinks you of Porscha? You forgot-forgot her.
it's easy to forget my slot exists when i'm locktown with no thread pull for too long
Harder to forget you when you're stuck on Queek's back.

it is canon that I do love riding things

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:35 pm Queek has a full day left to sort-catch wolf-thing(s?) in snow, nanook, porscha and lily.

Easy task for Queek Headtaker, mightiest-best of all skaven!

I will fight you for your portion of the timeshare

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:33 pm Old-thing @hollowkatt, what thinks you of Porscha? You forgot-forgot her.

it's easy to forget my slot exists when i'm locktown with no thread pull for too long

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:21 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:04 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 4:52 pm btw if you guys are confused about the toxic gamestate, i'm almost certain it's just a jack wolf world and we're all sitting here twiddling our thumbs getting pissy with one another because the reality is that today really just needed a short day to hammer obvious jack wolf. all mafia players devolve into lunatic degeneracy when they are left to their own devices for too long (see: asmr and dizzy win)
or whichever GOC it was when Alison was the last non-town player standing and all we had to do was chop her.

tbh I'll vote for jack today
What changed, old-thing?

he needs a cw so I imagine anything would work and unfortunately it's lil queek.

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