Mafia Misplay Mafia

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

And @Neon , can you explain me or elaborate a little even if its just 'vibes' why your vote is on nanook?

Vibes. Nooks entire approach to this game is off I don't like any of it I trust him far less than HK. In b4 HK also just successfully played me

What about it seems off

[DrWilgy]

No more talks of hk vs Nook.

No no topic.

I will policy vote anyone bringing it up again.

Let's be productive folks. It's been three game days of tat shit fest.

Why tho

Bruh.

Have you not read the thread.

It's been a cancer to thread health and vibes in here.

Wgz I'm rethinking this lock town status for you

I literally killed Mac in cold blood.

I'm 100% town 100% of the time and to think otherwise would be silly.

And no I haven't read the thread since day 1.

Whenever someone says this I start to think they are very much not town

And that's just a silly gut response that weakens PoE.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I can barely breathe through my nose today so lower your already low expectations for coherency, ty

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@DrWilgy remind me why you're SRing neon? The spark notes version is good

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

@DrWilgy are u serious abt the neon thing

Yes, though I am well aware that it's completely and utterly uninformed.

Lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

No more talks of hk vs Nook.

No no topic.

I will policy vote anyone bringing it up again.

Let's be productive folks. It's been three game days of tat shit fest.

Why tho

Bruh.

Have you not read the thread.

It's been a cancer to thread health and vibes in here.

Wgz I'm rethinking this lock town status for you

I literally killed Mac in cold blood.

I'm 100% town 100% of the time and to think otherwise would be silly.

And no I haven't read the thread since day 1.

Whenever someone says this I start to think they are very much not town

And that's just a silly gut response that weakens PoE.

Orrrr people who exclaim their supposed obvious townyness are often not actually towny at all.

Why do I have any reason that your supposed killing of Mac in cold blood wasn't just for #TownCred#

Mac was a dead man walking since like halfway thru day 1 he was pretty much PoE the whole game which is a BIG reason why I defended the slot cause it felt like everyone was SRing him.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

If you have to tell everyone you are obviously town instead of them coming to that conclusion on their own than your probably not obviously town.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Porscha did you read my case on Mac/Jack D2? I quoted it at SoD today. I am asking cuz you asked opinions on your Jack Iso or smth. And that have most of my thoughts regarding Jack tbh

I probs did I likely just forgot due to your quote posts being long bois. summary?

Smh if you have the time I think its best to read it, its good I swear.

Summary is prob Jack pushes consisting on a empty argument+sheeping another read, and always in a wagon that was opposite of Mac. Like there is a high amount of lowkey shielding Mac without expressing a proper townread on him.
D1 Voted HK when wagons were Mac/Hk/Me? Iirc going byy D1 I dont have votecounts. In D2 their vote in me put us at 4-r with Mac.
Another thing to note is how in D2 their reads were opposite almost from Mac (tr Esooa/hk, sus me) and still Mac townread them, which didnt make sense at all.
So both tr each other while not making mucj sense is policy worthy

Hmm, yes-yes. Town-things never disagree on reads with players they also think are town-things. Only wolf-things townread players who don't have the same reads as then.

Good-good policy.

[Jackofhearts2005]

tempted to say mac tmi-ed jack town the same way he did outed wolf

I could see it, but like the fact that Jack acted in such a pro-Mac way without stating a good reason to townreading him lr shielding him is very bad IMO. Like when they were wagoned but not so much as them seeing like they were going over , I feel like Jack just voted in a cw and didnt care to shield tbat townread if it was silent or something.

And then EoD D2 happened that felt really opportunistic from Jack to appear at that time and be available for the flashwagons you know, to even flashwagon Esooa who was a townread from them before

Hmm, yes-yes. Town Jack never gut townreads wolf-things early game for reasons other townies don't like. This also good-good reasoning.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like,even if Mac flipped town how Jack voted at EoD is bad. And in general is bad fwiw.

Probably should relook at some post from EoD that maybe I confbiased as circlejrking or something with hollowkatt tho, cuz at that moment I wanted Mac's blood and they were in my way

Maybe?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Queek has no wolf-thing team. Entire POE is voting Queek and has been voting or scumreading Queek since before beard-thing flipped.

[Jackofhearts2005]

hmm, how do i prove that i'm not paired with santy so that sabi can reevaluate their poe....

Queek has idea.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like,even if Mac flipped town how Jack voted at EoD is bad. And in general is bad fwiw.

Probably should relook at some post from EoD that maybe I confbiased as circlejrking or something with hollowkatt tho, cuz at that moment I wanted Mac's blood and they were in my way

yes I agree with the general shielding of each other but I also know that jack was riding the "santy is wolf" wave all of day 1 day 2 and only put you as town now. could have been a fake reason for his voting on you instead of mac

Porscha: Queek suspects Santy BEFORE wagon on beard-thing.

Also Porscha: Maybe Queek fake thinks Santy is wolf-thing only to avoid voting beard-thing.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Only idiot-things think Queek is a wolf-thing, here. Queek sees bias and lies. Queek does not see good solving from town-things.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@hollowkatt

Old-thing forget to say why-why Porscha is town-thing. Tell Queek, now.

[Jackofhearts2005]

hmm, how do i prove that i'm not paired with santy so that sabi can reevaluate their poe....

you pretty much can't after santy turned into a vest made out of kevlar for you and you said thank you very much sir

Oof. If Snow-thing is not a wolf-thing, this post is bad-bad.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

hmm, how do i prove that i'm not paired with santy so that sabi can reevaluate their poe....

you pretty much can't after santy turned into a vest made out of kevlar for you and you said thank you very much sir

Oof. If Snow-thing is not a wolf-thing, this post is bad-bad.

I think it's a pretty accurate representation of this entire day

[santygrass]

Neon you answered me what you thought it was Messy from ris worldview?
I know you said reactions and stuff but that isnt an answer to that question to me

I don't see how you draw 90% of the conclusions Riis has drawn from what has happened this game

Hmm, I think we are misunderstanding with each other or something.

In the initial post I quoted, I feel like you highlighted that I should be reading the same from ris that I did from Mac (As in, both having a messy worldview) . And what I asked you is to bring up where do you think ris view is messy.

Is that clear or I misinterpreted your post?

That is what I said yes

@Neon then ONCE again, I am asking which aspects from ris worldview are MESSY and I am ignoring for you?
Like, saying 'reactions' is not an aswer here you see why? So I want you to point out aspects of ris reads/solve that are messy and Im ignoring as you said.

I can not stress this enough. The solve literally makes no sense. The POE makes no sense. The clears make no sense.

Colour me what stuff makes no sense to you and why I should see it , please. I am legit asking for you to be more specific

[santygrass]

Going to signal boost Jack not voting btw

Normal for Jack yeah?

No? At least with how they were playing til today

[Jackofhearts2005]

No more talks of hk vs Nook.

No no topic.

I will policy vote anyone bringing it up again.

Let's be productive folks. It's been three game days of tat shit fest.

Wowee

Guess you're gonna have to vote me, im uninterested in being dictated to about who I can and cannot talk about

It's anti-town to bog down the game thread by you two ego fighting for three game days.

It literally kills everyone's wim.

So yes I will policy vote you for restarting it.

Now look at other slots. There's 9 for you to focus on.

Is only bad for town-things if we all ignore old-thing and nook-thing because cat-thing say so or because we assume things are unsortable.

Only problem with old-thing and nook-thing fight is old-thing and nook-thing not solving other slots as much.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Going to signal boost Jack not voting btw

Normal for Jack yeah?

No? At least with how they were playing til today

Idiot-things misremember Queek meta as a team effort.

[Jackofhearts2005]

hmm, how do i prove that i'm not paired with santy so that sabi can reevaluate their poe....

you pretty much can't after santy turned into a vest made out of kevlar for you and you said thank you very much sir

Oof. If Snow-thing is not a wolf-thing, this post is bad-bad.

I think it's a pretty accurate representation of this entire day

What is accurate?

What Porscha says? Porscha's posts being bad-bad? The whole day-day?

[santygrass]

Going to signal boost Jack not voting btw

Normal for Jack yeah?

No? At least with how they were playing til today

Idiot-things misremember Queek meta as a team effort.

I am not going by Meat, going by the fact that at this point in D1 and D2 you already voted tbh.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Going to signal boost Jack not voting btw

Normal for Jack yeah?

No? At least with how they were playing til today

Idiot-things misremember Queek meta as a team effort.

I am not going by Meat, going by the fact that at this point in D1 and D2 you already voted tbh.

Queek votes for wolf-things to signal boost reads. Or Queek votes at EOD. Queek has no confident wolf-thing reads and it is not EOD. So what is unusual? Why should things take note that Queek hasn't voted yet-yet? What does that mean for Queek?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Going to signal boost Jack not voting btw

Normal for Jack yeah?

No? At least with how they were playing til today

Iirc they semi-regularly don't even vote some days

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

No more talks of hk vs Nook.

No no topic.

I will policy vote anyone bringing it up again.

Let's be productive folks. It's been three game days of tat shit fest.

Wowee

Guess you're gonna have to vote me, im uninterested in being dictated to about who I can and cannot talk about

It's anti-town to bog down the game thread by you two ego fighting for three game days.

It literally kills everyone's wim.

So yes I will policy vote you for restarting it.

Now look at other slots. There's 9 for you to focus on.

Is only bad for town-things if we all ignore old-thing and nook-thing because cat-thing say so or because we assume things are unsortable.

Only problem with old-thing and nook-thing fight is old-thing and nook-thing not solving other slots as much.

Seal-thing (im rebranding) has a town core he feels comfortable with

[Jackofhearts2005]

No more talks of hk vs Nook.

No no topic.

I will policy vote anyone bringing it up again.

Let's be productive folks. It's been three game days of tat shit fest.

Wowee

Guess you're gonna have to vote me, im uninterested in being dictated to about who I can and cannot talk about

It's anti-town to bog down the game thread by you two ego fighting for three game days.

It literally kills everyone's wim.

So yes I will policy vote you for restarting it.

Now look at other slots. There's 9 for you to focus on.

Is only bad for town-things if we all ignore old-thing and nook-thing because cat-thing say so or because we assume things are unsortable.

Only problem with old-thing and nook-thing fight is old-thing and nook-thing not solving other slots as much.

Seal-thing (im rebranding) has a town core he feels comfortable with

Tell Queek now-now!

[Jackofhearts2005]

its really hard for me to know if jack is a hit or not cuz of the gimmick ngl

Lazy-fool. What does Queek being skaven have to do with Queek being town-thing or wolf-thing? Do you have good reason to think Queek is wolf-thing or not?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

No more talks of hk vs Nook.

No no topic.

I will policy vote anyone bringing it up again.

Let's be productive folks. It's been three game days of tat shit fest.

Wowee

Guess you're gonna have to vote me, im uninterested in being dictated to about who I can and cannot talk about

It's anti-town to bog down the game thread by you two ego fighting for three game days.

It literally kills everyone's wim.

So yes I will policy vote you for restarting it.

Now look at other slots. There's 9 for you to focus on.

Is only bad for town-things if we all ignore old-thing and nook-thing because cat-thing say so or because we assume things are unsortable.

Only problem with old-thing and nook-thing fight is old-thing and nook-thing not solving other slots as much.

Seal-thing (im rebranding) has a town core he feels comfortable with

Tell Queek now-now!

nook do you think jack has wolf equity or am I being obtuse just cuz mac was being defensive about his slot

I mean, nothing hes done has really moved him out of poe for me, i would probably not kill him today cause I do think there's a decent chance mac mightve spewed him town and he does tend towards bussing/distancing, but

Don't really have an independent TR on him so I'm landing on high poe I think

if you had to kill outside of hk then who would you kill today?

Probably ris, off hand

My townreads are currently sabi/santy/porscha/wilgy/esooa, really anyone outside that group is *fine*

[santygrass]

Going to signal boost Jack not voting btw

Normal for Jack yeah?

No? At least with how they were playing til today

Idiot-things misremember Queek meta as a team effort.

I am not going by Meat, going by the fact that at this point in D1 and D2 you already voted tbh.

Queek votes for wolf-things to signal boost reads. Or Queek votes at EOD. Queek has no confident wolf-thing reads and it is not EOD. So what is unusual? Why should things take note that Queek hasn't voted yet-yet? What does that mean for Queek?

Im more inclined to not be so sus of you if Nook say its alright but its more scummy than towny, specially considering what is your position in thread.
I signal boosted it cuz it means that you can vite for a cw mostly. And mostly I think its more Rand>W because you should know that you have good odds of being lynched, right? I think in that position being proactive and looking for a solve or something is what you should be doing instead of a pasive stance and wait til EoD for wagon formations orviable votes.

Like, how can I know that you wont be doing the same you did in EoD2 where you basically rescinded a townread to vote for it ?

[Jackofhearts2005]

tbh if im being completely real with u i think wolves imagined that mac would go over either early day 2 or like mid day 2. Because of this i think we might be misclearing or giving credit to those that pushed hard on day 2 rather than day 1. That's why I originally stated that Esooa and I were cleared a lot harder because we were pushing at a point where a partner pushing is -EV

So stop voting me-me.

[santygrass]

Like Nook, you had read Jack in sf3 in D2 / D3 where he was one of the main sus. I know that comparing will be like, with a lot less effort here, but you think they have similar approachs in this games?

[santygrass]

If you find me a wolf I'll consider switching my vote Jack uwu

[Jackofhearts2005]

No more talks of hk vs Nook.

No no topic.

I will policy vote anyone bringing it up again.

Let's be productive folks. It's been three game days of tat shit fest.

Wowee

Guess you're gonna have to vote me, im uninterested in being dictated to about who I can and cannot talk about

It's anti-town to bog down the game thread by you two ego fighting for three game days.

It literally kills everyone's wim.

So yes I will policy vote you for restarting it.

Now look at other slots. There's 9 for you to focus on.

Is only bad for town-things if we all ignore old-thing and nook-thing because cat-thing say so or because we assume things are unsortable.

Only problem with old-thing and nook-thing fight is old-thing and nook-thing not solving other slots as much.

Seal-thing (im rebranding) has a town core he feels comfortable with

Tell Queek now-now!

nook do you think jack has wolf equity or am I being obtuse just cuz mac was being defensive about his slot

I mean, nothing hes done has really moved him out of poe for me, i would probably not kill him today cause I do think there's a decent chance mac mightve spewed him town and he does tend towards bussing/distancing, but

Don't really have an independent TR on him so I'm landing on high poe I think

if you had to kill outside of hk then who would you kill today?

Probably ris, off hand

My townreads are currently sabi/santy/porscha/wilgy/esooa, really anyone outside that group is *fine*

Talk to Queek about Porscha. Why is Porscha town-thing? Queek keeps asking and no-things will say-say.

[santygrass]

There is no wolf motivation to hard tr Mac like that esp when he's about to die

My point is how Mac gave their legacy list, with a mood of death.

And when Neon/hk/jack came in thread , the three of them tring him, their mood swinged. Do you think all those three slots are town sabi?

Beard-thing should know that Queek and old-thing are going to come back and if they are being bus-yeeted or not.

Change in beard-thing is because support was unexpected. One wolf-thing in that group at most.

Mac : *Whines or pings in scumchat saying they are going to die*
Partners: 'Nah fam we got you'

That is possible, yes-yes?
And if you look at the votecounts for a GOOD part of the day I seemed like the one who was going over tbh, I had like 7 votes against 3 or smth like that iirc, so Mac wasnt that obv of a lynch fmpov

[santygrass]

Porscha is town-town. Look how they shade Mac at SoD for the Visor Kill. And in their ISO they just have a lot of towny thoughts. Protecc Frog-thing

[santygrass]

Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (6) - Esooa, Drwilgz , santygrass, riisinq- , Porscha, sabiplz
Santygrass (3) - Jack, Hollowkatt, Macdougall
Neon (2) - Achromatic, Lilypetal
Hollowkatt (1) - Nanook
Riisinq- (1) - Neon

don't flash wagon neon jfc

What are your conclussions on this?

[santygrass]

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

going to bed gl town

Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (5) - Esooa, DrWilgy, santygrass, Achro, riisinq-
Santygrass (5) - Sabiplz, Jack, hollowkatt, Neon, Porscha
Hollowkatt (3) - Nanook, Lilypetal, MacDougall

*confused rat noises*

And this?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like Nook, you had read Jack in sf3 in D2 / D3 where he was one of the main sus. I know that comparing will be like, with a lot less effort here, but you think they have similar approachs in this games?

It's like a recurring nightmare and gimmick is a self defense mechanism yes-yes.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

going to bed gl town

Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (5) - Esooa, DrWilgy, santygrass, Achro, riisinq-
Santygrass (5) - Sabiplz, Jack, hollowkatt, Neon, Porscha
Hollowkatt (3) - Nanook, Lilypetal, MacDougall

*confused rat noises*

And this?

No conclusions, disgusting elf-thing. That's why Queek is confused.

[Jackofhearts2005]

There is no wolf motivation to hard tr Mac like that esp when he's about to die

My point is how Mac gave their legacy list, with a mood of death.

And when Neon/hk/jack came in thread , the three of them tring him, their mood swinged. Do you think all those three slots are town sabi?

Beard-thing should know that Queek and old-thing are going to come back and if they are being bus-yeeted or not.

Change in beard-thing is because support was unexpected. One wolf-thing in that group at most.

Mac : *Whines or pings in scumchat saying they are going to die*
Partners: 'Nah fam we got you'

That is possible, yes-yes?
And if you look at the votecounts for a GOOD part of the day I seemed like the one who was going over tbh, I had like 7 votes against 3 or smth like that iirc, so Mac wasnt that obv of a lynch fmpov

Possible. But not if Queek is wolf-thing. Queek rides to beard-thing's rescue like noble-stupid man-thing, yes-yes?

[santygrass]

@Esooa I call for a truce while we all vote santygrass

idk

why

this is me

extending you

an olive branch

you scumread him

you scumread me

help me bus

just not really sure why you've decided to do this

there are legit so many reasons

This is thing Queek only says when he is town-thing. But for beard-thing? Probably says it as wolf-thing about town-thing only.

Queek is frustrated by beard-thing's iso.

Can you elaborate why you were frustrated here?

Old-thing not done secret old-thing tell. No kill-slay old thing today.

jack please elaborate what tell you're referring to in regards to hk here?

This very secret tell. Old-thing no read!

Spoiler: show

When old-thing is mafia, old-thing says "I have changed my meta so your meta scumread on me is wrong"

I think nook already asked, but they had another discussion after. What do you think of old-thing replies regarding this? Your read on Old-Thing in general would help me, yes-yes

[Jackofhearts2005]

Porscha is town-town. Look how they shade Mac at SoD for the Visor Kill. And in their ISO they just have a lot of towny thoughts. Protecc Frog-thing

Hmm. Queek *chokes* *coughs* *retches* thank you

Bleh.

[santygrass]

Queek has a full day left to sort-catch wolf-thing(s?) in snow, nanook, porscha and lily.

Easy task for Queek Headtaker, mightiest-best of all skaven!

This for example, I feel like you are not working much in this?

As in, I come noe and you were asking about Porscha. Snow is probably your cw by how Day has pased so you sorting if ris is town or not should be like... Vital to you if you want to solve9

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Esooa I call for a truce while we all vote santygrass

idk

why

this is me

extending you

an olive branch

you scumread him

you scumread me

help me bus

just not really sure why you've decided to do this

there are legit so many reasons

This is thing Queek only says when he is town-thing. But for beard-thing? Probably says it as wolf-thing about town-thing only.

Queek is frustrated by beard-thing's iso.

Can you elaborate why you were frustrated here?

Old-thing not done secret old-thing tell. No kill-slay old thing today.

jack please elaborate what tell you're referring to in regards to hk here?

This very secret tell. Old-thing no read!

Spoiler: show

When old-thing is mafia, old-thing says "I have changed my meta so your meta scumread on me is wrong"

I think nook already asked, but they had another discussion after. What do you think of old-thing replies regarding this? Your read on Old-Thing in general would help me, yes-yes

Queek frustrated that beard-thing's iso does not show obvious other wolf-things. Is frustrating to you, too, yes-yes?

Old-thing probably still town. Queek does not listen to old-thing and nook-thing chatter-shriek about meta. Secret old-thing tell somewhat a joke any way-way.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Queek has a full day left to sort-catch wolf-thing(s?) in snow, nanook, porscha and lily.

Easy task for Queek Headtaker, mightiest-best of all skaven!

This for example, I feel like you are not working much in this?

As in, I come noe and you were asking about Porscha. Snow is probably your cw by how Day has pased so you sorting if ris is town or not should be like... Vital to you if you want to solve9

No give orders to Queek! You want Queek solve in Queek's POE? Quit bothering Queek with silly-stupid questions. You should know Queek is town-thing already.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like imo if u just read my interactions with mac and esooa's interactions with mac day 1 and 2 it clears us. It's not partners and there's literally 0 benefit to play like that in a game of this volume. I think wolves are just staying FAR apart

Lily probably most town-thing in Queek's POE but Queek is frustrated Lily says things that would make you think she is not voting for Queek but she is. Idiot-fool flower-thing.

[santygrass]

@Porscha did you read my case on Mac/Jack D2? I quoted it at SoD today. I am asking cuz you asked opinions on your Jack Iso or smth. And that have most of my thoughts regarding Jack tbh

I probs did I likely just forgot due to your quote posts being long bois. summary?

Smh if you have the time I think its best to read it, its good I swear.

Summary is prob Jack pushes consisting on a empty argument+sheeping another read, and always in a wagon that was opposite of Mac. Like there is a high amount of lowkey shielding Mac without expressing a proper townread on him.
D1 Voted HK when wagons were Mac/Hk/Me? Iirc going byy D1 I dont have votecounts. In D2 their vote in me put us at 4-r with Mac.
Another thing to note is how in D2 their reads were opposite almost from Mac (tr Esooa/hk, sus me) and still Mac townread them, which didnt make sense at all.
So both tr each other while not making mucj sense is policy worthy

Hmm, yes-yes. Town-things never disagree on reads with players they also think are town-things. Only wolf-things townread players who don't have the same reads as then.

Good-good policy.

Here I rely on the little Meta I have on Mac. But one thing that I remember from Mac is that they townread or scumread people using how much they agreed or vibed with that slot solving process and stuff.
So like, if they really townread you even despite of that, they would have called you out, or like considering they were scum and you in a LHF position just push you imo.

So I guess you can see how Mac Interactions are famning for you. You can say that you were setup by the bad wolfy Mac yes-yes. But you having an almost unexplained townread on them, voting in their favor without expressing it and come into EoD D2 to even rescind other townreads to try save him is bad-bad. Meta defence isnt nearly enough.
So in your slot I think probs the best defense is a good offense . Prepare all your Skaven troops to go Wolf-Hunting

[santygrass]

tempted to say mac tmi-ed jack town the same way he did outed wolf

I could see it, but like the fact that Jack acted in such a pro-Mac way without stating a good reason to townreading him lr shielding him is very bad IMO. Like when they were wagoned but not so much as them seeing like they were going over , I feel like Jack just voted in a cw and didnt care to shield tbat townread if it was silent or something.

And then EoD D2 happened that felt really opportunistic from Jack to appear at that time and be available for the flashwagons you know, to even flashwagon Esooa who was a townread from them before

Hmm, yes-yes. Town Jack never gut townreads wolf-things early game for reasons other townies don't like. This also good-good reasoning.

What were your reasons btw?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like Nook, you had read Jack in sf3 in D2 / D3 where he was one of the main sus. I know that comparing will be like, with a lot less effort here, but you think they have similar approachs in this games?

I don't think any of us came in with the same approach lol, I assumed a good amount of burn out from the sf3 group as a shared experience tbh. Reasonably sure we're all using this as a pallette cleanser of sorts