The Syndicate

sad I missed eod day 3. honestly not sure if I even could have saved myself cuz I don't gav didn't really push or vote for me and idk if I could have convinced the other town. the only thing to help clear me was the flip with wilgy and all it did was get used against me lolol

if that game had been f3 me, gav, crich - I probably would have still went crich tbh. I had sneaking doubts about gav cuz when I called him on the shit d1 vote on that slot he never countered me (but I guess he didn't have to cuz someone called it "townread but not pushing" zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

honestly you being so sure on pao made me think of times when I've been maf and I obviously know someone is town so I call them as town very very hard and use that as a shield later when they flip cuz town voted them off. like yeah i'm town and I knew they were town haha totally! cuz i'm town ( I am not town so I knew they were town and that is why I was so confident) lol

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:26 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:19 am

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:17 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:16 am

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:48 am Now I can't rule out a world where MissC is a town and by a horribly unlucky coincidence happened to be thinking similarly to a wolf.
Hmmm

I'm waiting to see if MC can make as a compelling argument as falcon did before I cast harder judgment, but I'm townreading falcon atm

Ngl the longer MissC doesn't try to answer Falcon's case the more I'm willing to think we've got the game in the bag as town.

I'm not ruling you out rich. I think if it isn't mc it's probs you

Ok if you think we might have a deepwolf, why can't it be Gav for example in your Pov?
Or Falcon for that matter?

okay I have more of a structured list than I did at beginning of day:

mc
crich
falcon
gav

I'm not ruling anyone out right now, but I do still think gav is probs most town atm and I thought falcon's recent thought progression was more of a town play

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:17 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:16 am

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:48 am Now I can't rule out a world where MissC is a town and by a horribly unlucky coincidence happened to be thinking similarly to a wolf.
Hmmm

I'm waiting to see if MC can make as a compelling argument as falcon did before I cast harder judgment, but I'm townreading falcon atm

Ngl the longer MissC doesn't try to answer Falcon's case the more I'm willing to think we've got the game in the bag as town.

I'm not ruling you out rich. I think if it isn't mc it's probs you

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:48 am Now I can't rule out a world where MissC is a town and by a horribly unlucky coincidence happened to be thinking similarly to a wolf.
Hmmm

I'm waiting to see if MC can make as a compelling argument as falcon did before I cast harder judgment, but I'm townreading falcon atm

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:07 am Trust me Falcon it is best that one of you or Miss Caro go over today they are not wrong.

@Porscha
Will make sure to really Evaluate CRichard if I die tonight.
You can promise this right Porscha?

>I make no guarantees ;p

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:45 am

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:51 pm i don’t really want to vote wilgy today. he makes a lot of posts that line up with my thinking, which, i could just be reading the game poorly. but he’s not near my top wolf for today and killing him if town hurts us a lot. pao or porscha are basically my only two choices right now. gav is tough because i don’t really feel good committing to keeping him alive the whole game and i don’t think he ever gets nk’d. i don’t think his posting is helpful for threadstate.

tldr i feel fine with my current vote

This post still sticks out to me.



After Wilgy flips, MissC really steps up her game.

>I also thought this but didnt check ISO's so I wasnt for certain. thanks for confirming

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:44 am @Gavial @Porscha @CRichard I'd like you 3 to go over what I've posted and see what you think

>I like your progression and hard details showing MC's and wilgy's interactions. I also was really surprised with MC's call for scumreading me over all the other players available at the time. it felt like it came from out of left field. but I am pretty sure wilgy had started pushing for me without directly quoting me before MC agreed with him. not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure he had started putting me on his poe by then?

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:58 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:07 pm I liked that falcon went out of their way to post their own ISO's from their past 3 games where they were maf. they offered up that info. as far as I've seen, nobody has commented on that information at all. but compared to miss c who has been posting a lot less, and their last ones weren't really a contribution to the game, falcon comes off as more town to me now

i literally made over 100 posts d2

i just don't care about posting during the night phase

i was referring to after your large amount of posts. I will accept your answer that you dont care to talk that much at night, I guess...

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:35 am Your wolf aren’t you Falcon?

why not vote mc either I guess? they haven't really been contributing anything meaningful for a while

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:12 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:07 pm I liked that falcon went out of their way to post their own ISO's from their past 3 games where they were maf. they offered up that info. as far as I've seen, nobody has commented on that information at all. but compared to miss c who has been posting a lot less, and their last ones weren't really a contribution to the game, falcon comes off as more town to me now

Does that mean you'll vote MissC 1st?

>idk yet. like I said I want to see their posting. it's early in the day, i'm not pushing a vote yet with my limited knowledge

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:47 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:44 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:37 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:36 pm I think it still makes sense for Falcon to be scum that killed his PoE opponent so he could widen the PoE so he has a greater chance at winning.

But then there’s CRichard……

I still think Falcon is wolf but hmm.

I don't remember Falcon helping to ensure Wilgy died to the rand though.
What do you make of that?

Hmm?
What are you asking me I’m not sure I understand.
“Ensure Wilgy died to the Rand”. He did?

I could be wrong though, yet I don't remember Falcon being one of the Wilgy voters.
That would be you, myself and MacDougall the flipped town.

the vote was tied 3 to 3. I was a voter on wilgy. so it wasn't those three people. I think gav just said mac voted for gav.

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:06 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:04 pm well I've been called out since day 2 as possible wolf even with wilgy after the flip, but I personally wouldn't play the "hard bus each other until one of us dies needlessly to try and make other person look town in hopes htat it played out as a flip vote" strategy.

that's why I said falcon and miss c were both hard town reads early on and that's where a "deep wolf" would hide. and I'm still potentially including you in that crich. gav not out, but my most likely town atm

If Falcon was the wolf, Paopan should be given a lecture on why he shouldn't have been so wolfy.

I mean I absolutley did not like the pao town play, but you're beating a dead horse. no point in doing so right now

I liked that falcon went out of their way to post their own ISO's from their past 3 games where they were maf. they offered up that info. as far as I've seen, nobody has commented on that information at all. but compared to miss c who has been posting a lot less, and their last ones weren't really a contribution to the game, falcon comes off as more town to me now

well I've been called out since day 2 as possible wolf even with wilgy after the flip, but I personally wouldn't play the "hard bus each other until one of us dies needlessly to try and make other person look town in hopes htat it played out as a flip vote" strategy.

that's why I said falcon and miss c were both hard town reads early on and that's where a "deep wolf" would hide. and I'm still potentially including you in that crich. gav not out, but my most likely town atm

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:54 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:48 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:19 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:23 pm With Wilgy getting considerable heat D1, it's very possible that the other Maf was placed for deepwolf, since winning in an F3 would be their only option if Wilgy got flipped.

If that’s the case then who would be in that position since D1?

MissC & CR, and yourself to a lesser degree

Did MissC help to kill DrWilgy though? If someone can correct me if I'm wrong, that would be great.

>day 2 yes they voted with me wilgy iirc? pretty sure... but maybe i'm thinking of them voting pao with me

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:05 pm MightyQ has died. They were Moemura (Vanilla Town). Day 4 begins.

honestly not very surprised - mightyq had fallen off my sus list with their last posts. I agreed with their thought that they probably wouldn't have had strong mafia sense to make it this far as maf (especially losing wilgy after day 2)

which was how my last eod was - I'm not feeling strong towards falcon/mc/crich being more scum than the other, but if I had to guess that's likely where last scum will be found. miss c and falcon were considered pretty universally town as of day 2. I had mc more town than falcon before, but mc hasn't been super active of recent while falcon hasn't made any posts that I've found as particularly scrummy, so I think i have falcon more town than mc right now. still wouldnt be surprised on crich though who has coasted a lot. I also WONT rule out a gav scum possibility at this moment, but I see him as my least likely scum left in the game

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:00 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 4:09 am and of course mightyQ instantly calling for a vote on me once he knew he was possibly up next on the chopping block lol. care to explain your confidence as me for wolf when I pushed for wilgy 2 days in a row?

Did you push the first time though?

>I did not push very hard but made it clear I did not like the emoji play and missed vote on him day 1

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:01 am And was Day 2 a very confident push?
Wasn’t your reads like Paopan/Falcon contains scum or something like that?

I guess I wasn't screaming at the top of my lungs that wilgy was a scum, but I made multiple posts with him as my #1 and insisted on him sounding scum, so by my own standard it was fairly confident
my top 3 up until eod2 was wilgy / pao / falcon, but I feel falcon has maybe made me feel like it could be mc too. I'd like to see mc come back with some talking points today to see how I feel about them

mightyq i know you aren't scum reading me for making less frequent longer posts when you've been the most afk player all game loooool
I'm not always able to sit and read and reply to everything until later at night so I tend to post in that way. sorry for trying to contribute though! I'd hope you'd have a better read on me than that

since pao wasn't wolf, my next poe is pretty vague atm. maaaaybe crich / mc / falcon / mightyQ -- kind of a useless opinion as of now. I was pretty confident in pao flipping scum tbh

and of course mightyQ instantly calling for a vote on me once he knew he was possibly up next on the chopping block lol. care to explain your confidence as me for wolf when I pushed for wilgy 2 days in a row?

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:19 am My top towns
@Gavial @MightyQ
Please guide these lost lambs

>zzz

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:00 am

Paopan wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 8:50 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:50 pm @MacDougall
@Paopan

What you two thinking?
Is CRichard and Por for sure clear?

CRichard and Wilgy theoretically could have been doing W/W wagon day 1.
Now with the wagon last day, Paopan called Por scum and voted for them, Wilgy voted for Paopan but then voted for Por to save them self.

Could that be W/W wagon?

What’s more likely?

I wanna say CRichard is the more likely one to not be W/W but I want a second opinion on this.

Por is clear. CRich not yet for me.

Why is Por clear for you here? They were top scum of yours until a 50/50 RNG against Wilgy. What did the do to get clear in your eyes?

>I assumed it was the flip of wilgy being wolf after I pushed for him so hard but idk

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:49 pm whoever we vote out will be town no matter who it is because god put us here to suffer

>true

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:17 pm Vote falcon tomorrow.
I'm 100% sure he is going to push MightyQ

>as he should imo

CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:07 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:04 pm So we gonna continue to throw or we gonna vote Falcon?

I'll accept responsibility for this, their vote history was too atrocious to see past in my moment of weakness.

>it was their posting the most for me

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:26 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:13 pm Is it me?
Do I die tonight Falcon?

Or am I your secret ML?

Unfortunately, I don't have the power to kill you at night.


My guess for the NK would be Porscha, CR (if town)

suddenly forgot about your MightyQ call now falcon???

lol. I'd be more willing to consider voting mightyq today but pao cannot stop making posts that sound scum to me

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:23 am Town is split into 2.
Great.

what is the point of saying this?

"and i also still feel like maybe we're all just needlessly yelling at each other and getting mad and it's really just the simplest solution. and i'd like to find that out sooner rather than later"

fair sentiment

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:55 am actually i changed my mind on everything i just said.

[VOTE: MightyQ] aubergine

we've got time before eod and i might slightly prefer this today

why do you prefer mightyq here?

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:16 am Watch in awe as I flip town if majority decides I would be the lynch for today
Can't wait the reaction

said every maf and townie ever ex dee

Paopan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:55 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:45 pm

Paopan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:44 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:42 pm I put my vote on pao. I think pao just voting falcon cuz he will be easier to go over than MC and prevent pao from being voted off today. I'm not super confident in who is last scum but I prefer pao flip before falcon flip

pulling a wilgy I see. lol

You're incomprehensible.

are you being serious right now? what is incomprehensible about what I said? it's an obvious point to what wilgy did day 1 which was post nothing but emoji's, even when confronted about it. like did you *seriously* miss that?

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:46 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:37 pm

Paopan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 10:21 pm As I have stated before, don't count the chicken before they hatch.
Stil, yeah... falcon or MC should be the only logical lynch for today.
And again, I'm pretty sure two wolves would not risk voting together (along with DrWigly) on day 1.

2 WOLF GAME WOULD NEVER VOTE TOGETHER ON DAY 1!

So basically,
Me and Gav should be town cleared on day 1!
Porsha is town cleared on day 2!
MightyQ is town cleared on day 2 despite being a deadweight!
With these facts,

The correct PoE is: MC >= Falcon > CRich (max. 3 to MYLO)

I think it's possible that day 1 both wolves *might* vote together to avoid a maf going over after first day...
I know gav cleared you day 1, but I still never got a good response to half the shit you've said that resolves your thoughts. like you just say stuff and then forget about the explanation part half the time. Don't know why you're hard town clear from also making a dumb decision with gav to lynch the 0 poster when gilvy had more viable reason to get voted off - unless you actively thought voting him off was bad like gav did. gav insists gilvy's stupid emoji gimmick wasnt scummy, but it obviously was since he flipped scum. So what's your excuse for the vote pao?

And I also don't consider mightyq town cleared today either. seems dumb as shit. the only slightly townie thing he's done is sound too detached from the game and following other's leads. and I know they've said what they've said to defend it, so I'm willing to say that maybe they aren't top of my poe, but they're in it. a scum could do exactly what he's doing, and so could a town. I won't hard read it as town ...

pao, why MC over falcon? and why crich at all?

Oh you must have forgot.
I saved CRichard from elimination day 1.
Not Wilgy.

sure, but as you've said prior, you should have just let wilgy go through. like that was the unintended consequence of you going on sig, but if I were pao and pao / wilgy was the combo, you telling pao to vote sig means he probably would do it anyway. b/c no you're just gonna hard town read him the entire game when almost nobody else does. he hasn't been making great posts according to most people here, yet he's the most confirmed person here for you and I just can't / won't get it honestly

Paopan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:44 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:42 pm I put my vote on pao. I think pao just voting falcon cuz he will be easier to go over than MC and prevent pao from being voted off today. I'm not super confident in who is last scum but I prefer pao flip before falcon flip

pulling a wilgy I see. lol

I put my vote on pao. I think pao just voting falcon cuz he will be easier to go over than MC and prevent pao from being voted off today. I'm not super confident in who is last scum but I prefer pao flip before falcon flip

sorry not gilvy, wilgy. my brain constantly makes up different 5 leter names with gy when I think of him

Paopan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 10:21 pm As I have stated before, don't count the chicken before they hatch.
Stil, yeah... falcon or MC should be the only logical lynch for today.
And again, I'm pretty sure two wolves would not risk voting together (along with DrWigly) on day 1.

2 WOLF GAME WOULD NEVER VOTE TOGETHER ON DAY 1!

So basically,
Me and Gav should be town cleared on day 1!
Porsha is town cleared on day 2!
MightyQ is town cleared on day 2 despite being a deadweight!
With these facts,

The correct PoE is: MC >= Falcon > CRich (max. 3 to MYLO)

I think it's possible that day 1 both wolves *might* vote together to avoid a maf going over after first day...
I know gav cleared you day 1, but I still never got a good response to half the shit you've said that resolves your thoughts. like you just say stuff and then forget about the explanation part half the time. Don't know why you're hard town clear from also making a dumb decision with gav to lynch the 0 poster when gilvy had more viable reason to get voted off - unless you actively thought voting him off was bad like gav did. gav insists gilvy's stupid emoji gimmick wasnt scummy, but it obviously was since he flipped scum. So what's your excuse for the vote pao?

And I also don't consider mightyq town cleared today either. seems dumb as shit. the only slightly townie thing he's done is sound too detached from the game and following other's leads. and I know they've said what they've said to defend it, so I'm willing to say that maybe they aren't top of my poe, but they're in it. a scum could do exactly what he's doing, and so could a town. I won't hard read it as town ...

pao, why MC over falcon? and why crich at all?

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 6:03 am and pao, i was the first vote on porscha not you lol

>this is true

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 6:24 am the reads on MightyQ are bizarre to me. i get reading their tone as towny if this is d1 but not really wanting to participate in the game is absolutely something that can be expressed by a wolf who doesn't really want to be wolfing. townreading somebody for seeming low motivation and townreading somebody for just saying "i don't care" are different things.

>absolutely agree. I am naturally more sus of quieter players

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:04 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:15 am Porscha probably isn't the last wolf as they were the counter wagon to Wilgy, a flipped mafia.
Gav turning around and helping Wilgy go over by rand doesn't feel like a bus.
MightyQ feels like a clueless town because of how disconnected they feel from the game, which doesn't feel faked.
I still have Falcon as a town lean/read.

Therefore, my PoE is Paopan/MissC and i'm leaning towards the former as town here.

Are we sure both Por and Wilgy aren’t the team?
Like Mac had a point before he died where he mentioned the way Wilgy was talking about my vote on him and saving Por.

> I guess it's possible, but I feel like it's a weak possibility compared to a world of pao/falcon/mightyq wolf

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:52 pm

Paopan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:49 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:57 am

CRichard wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:29 am So MissC, I'm sure there's a wolf in you/Paopan.
If you're the villager, you're going to have to help me see the light so we can end this game preferably today.

I feel MissC is town here.

Mmmm. I'm going to change my priority from MC>falcon to falcon>MC because of this remark.
I'm smelling wolf vibes from both MC and falcon. It matters cos I want to end the game already.
while the net has been cast and both can't escape from our inevitable win. Just need some fasten results.
So yeah, i'm high confident that I have already solved this game. Scum is either falcon/MC.
GG

We can't both be wolves.



Totally unsurprising, you feel that the two players sus of your slot are both wolves. Keeping your POE limited to only the players who sus you...super towny

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 2:29 pm @Porscha Where's your head at right now?

>my top 3 poe are still pao, falcon, mightyq - but I wouldn't rule out a possible mc

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:36 pm

MightyQ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:53 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:23 pm

MightyQ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:07 pm Just like sex, vanillia is the best way to play mafia

Change my mind

That's nice, where's your head at on everyone who has posted so far?

I said this the first game I was in and I'll say it again. There's literally no solid evidence out there right now for anyone. I've been at school most of today and am only now really even paying attention. Also last game I was voted out for having this opinon, so go kill me for all I care. My point is town members are expendable, but how you expend them is important.

Youch now that I think about this you probably already know that. I'm tired af rn.

put yourself in the shoes of an inexperienced player who is killed in their previous game for not wanting to give reads. do you:
A. do the exact same thing again
or
B. try to soften or change your play at all

i think B is the obvious correct answer, you don't just come in and do the exact same thing that got you incorrectly killed last game.

if you're an inexperienced player who rands wolf and you're playing with at least one person who was in your last town game do you
A. knowingly play different from your town game
or
B. try and match the exact same thing you did as town and then immediately point it out

again i think more likely B!

agreed with this tbh. trying not too hard to scumread mightyq qith limited info but also can't get townie vibes from them based on the little info they have provided

who would have benefitted the most by killing mac?

In the scenario where me and wilgy are both wolf, mac was one of the only people townreading me so I wouldn't have a good reason to off him if wilgy flipped instead of me - which was is what happened

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:25 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:43 pm
What's your take on Porscha & Pao now?

a wilgy/porscha team hard bussed each other resulting in wilgy's death when they had opportunities to try and save him (they were competing wagons but probably with enough time in the day to have done something) so it looks unlikely, though if i get outside of the obvious poe (pao, you, MQ) somebody HAS to be bussing and i might come back to porscha being the most likely.

i went through pao's ISO on this page and gave opinions on their content. i think they're the easy kill today. i already wanted pao dead yesterday, and i think the way wilgy and pao talked about each other but didn't really commit to wanting each other dead does pao no favors.

By hard bussed each other, do you mean we are both wolf and hard scum read each other as a tactic that backfired into us being in a tied vote?

my top 3 scum reads all game in order have been:
wilgy
pao
falcon

glad I still voted for him day 2 after missing my chance day 1 to make the difference. I am glad I was not persuaded off of him, but also annoyed with pao that he randomly hard pushed to have me voted off, as it felt like retaliation against me scum reading him all game

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:02 pm

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:51 pm i don’t really want to vote wilgy today. he makes a lot of posts that line up with my thinking, which, i could just be reading the game poorly. but he’s not near my top wolf for today and killing him if town hurts us a lot. pao or porscha are basically my only two choices right now. gav is tough because i don’t really feel good committing to keeping him alive the whole game and i don’t think he ever gets nk’d. i don’t think his posting is helpful for threadstate.

tldr i feel fine with my current vote

Odd.




Why would the loss of Dr Wilgy, if town, hurt a lot? By his own admission he's not been very engaged this game

I did already note that anybody voted off who flips town is bad in my other post, but agree with this sentiment. If i'm being scumleaned b/c I'm not super active or HARD READING SOMEONE INTO OBLIVION (read: being washy, despite listing who I am leaning towards scum...) -- then what does me flipping provide for info? if I get voted off MC, you're going to stop being hard townread by everybody here. pao will be even more sussed, as I have been pushing them all game as a scum read. Crichard would also look more scumread as well - but I'm not sure if even knows why he is voting me b/c he obviously didnt read my posts (neither did pao).
others have said maf wouldn't be voting together day 1, but what's the chance of it day 2? I'm not sure both of their uneducated votes on me mean they are trying to change the vote focus towards me b/c I'm putting pao as my #2 scumread (behind wilgy, who has been a little more towny but i'm still not sold) - and others have already offered me up as a potential scumread (more so than mightyq, who I understand was a little behind in gameplay, but has posted much less in comparison to me - so not sure why I'm being scumread more than him) - plus pao (#2 scumread) listed my potential partners as wilgy which I pointed out is extremely unlikely as they are my #1 scumread, so I know he isn't reading my posts either.
MC, just don't get why you'd put your vote over me than wilgy other than wilgy's vague mostly non-opinionated posts seem to ring the same song of your heart

btw, I have voted wilgy. I didn't vote day 1 (yes, it's only been 1 day, and I explicitly stated I didnt' get to vote before end of day and said who I wanted voted)
I prefer to hold my votes until I'm more confident on who I am voting, but it seems it's more of a playstyle here to just throw votes out willy-nilly and change them constantly if need be - so I'll start doing that instead. can't accidentally miss end of day without voting now.

Paopan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:23 am I am very suspicious of Porsha. He/she won't vote makes me deduce he/she is a low lying scum.
I am okay to change my vote onto her.

>Hi pao, you would be sus of me b/c I called you out on the day1 wagon post insisting that gav try to solve the rift between both of your votes. I also stated I tried to vote wilgy day 1 but didnt make it before end of day. but based on this quote and the others I will be responding to, it is obvious you haven't read a single post I have made. thanks.

CRichard wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:29 am A thought has occurred to me. If Porscha is scum, they could have tried to "mindmeld" with me on Paopan so that they would try to manipulate my vote onto Paopan.
Porscha/Paopan can't be the exact team, because it makes no sense for scum!Porscha to try to "convince" me to vote their partner.

> I have given pretty much no opinion towards you in my posts b/c I really don't know how i feel about you. if I was trying to make friends with you, I would have agreed with your posts / opinions, hell, I would have townread you or even talked about you - but I haven't. not a mindmeld here - there was at one point a serious discussion around the day 1 wagon voting between pao and gav, so yes I was trying to push gav to focus on pao's voting since it didnt seem to make sense that both would have been town at that time. seems like nobody really pushed it b/c gav made out with pao and considered him firm town for what I can see is pretty much no solid reason.

CRichard wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 1:40 am Gav if you're so sure that one of myself/Wilgy is a wolf, wouldn't it make sense for you to vote the one who is most likely to go over and was the alternative to Sig, which you pushed on while they were 0 posting.

> agreed with this comment

CRichard wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 1:48 am If I'm right on Porscha, then Paopan is spewed as town as I remember Porscha talking about Paopan in a way that makes me think those two are unaligned.

>yes I was pushing for gav to solve the issue listed above. i'm not sold on pao as townread for any reason

CRichard wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 2:08 am Still I'm somewhat confident that the mafia team is Wilgy and one of Porscha/Paopan and I'm leaning towards Porscha here.
Good thing that I can win even if I'm miseliminated eh?

>if you read my posts, I am sussing wilgy the hardest out of pretty much anyone in game and wanted day 1 vote (which would have voted out wilgy) (still down to vote) on them so I cannot be partnered with wilgy here. please read my posts.

CRichard wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:27 am Players who would be spewed town from a scum!Porscha flip
Paopan, Miss Carousel, Mac.
If I were to look for a possible Porsch partner, I'd look at who was on the counter wagon if the Porsch wagon is pure.

>So far nobody has done anything but townread MC so no matter what I flip, MC is already considered pretty hard town. literally makes no difference
I already townread mac so idk how me flipping scum would out him as town. probs the opposite.
I do however sus pao, so I could see more confirmation on him as town if I were capable of flipping maf - which I can't. thanks

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:33 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:13 pm Town: falcon, LC, MissC

Probably Town: Mac, Wilgy

Null: Porsch, CR


POE: Pao, MightyQ, Gav

I forgot about Porsche. Gav/MightyQ, Gav/Porsche potent.

>>I'm still personally not sold on falcoln but I was advised that i'm likely wrong. I still hold my personal suspicions but willing to consider other's input on them. dont get the probs town read on wilgy. I also pushed the fuck out of gav earlier so not sure why you'd read me and him as partner potential.

Paopan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:15 pm Here' my top 3 POV atm. (in order)

1. DrWig + Porsha
2. falcon + CRich
3. MC + Gav

>again, literally impossible that I am partnered with wilgy as scum because I have repeatedly noted that I wanted him voted off day 1 and am still willing to vote him for a good info flip. I am sus AF of wilgy. even if I was maf I would be fucking stupid to hound him if he was my partner. please read my posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!! at the very least quote me and push me to explain if you have questions!!!!!! don't just not read my reads and then post bad reads... I already sus you pao, you aren't helping your case with me.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:24 pm Trying to wrap my head around @Porscha at 630-633.

I've read it like 3 times.

Are we just saying that Mac is town here?

>if it those posts are the walls of text, I literally said I townread mac on his posts towards gav. not sure why my posts seem so unreadable to multiple people here??????

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:40 pm Porsha feels super washy.

>again, please read my posts where someone else already accused me of this, and I addressed it. if you would like to ask me a specific question regarding my responses, please do that!!!

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:51 pm i don’t really want to vote wilgy today. he makes a lot of posts that line up with my thinking, which, i could just be reading the game poorly. but he’s not near my top wolf for today and killing him if town hurts us a lot. pao or porscha are basically my only two choices right now. gav is tough because i don’t really feel good committing to keeping him alive the whole game and i don’t think he ever gets nk’d. i don’t think his posting is helpful for threadstate.

tldr i feel fine with my current vote

>killing anybody if they are town hurts a lot. what difference does it make if it's wilgy? MC, did you vote day1 and if you did, who was it on? (sorry I legitimately don't know how to find that info without taking 2 hours to search thru day 1 posts)

why go on me with 0 explanation as to why I'm sus to you, when there's been discussion around why wilgy has been accused of being scum?

I do prefer to be scum read with a reason b/c then I can try to provide info / thoughts to prove myself town. I can't really counteract your thoughts if I don't know them. let me know if I missed a post explaining why you sus me- thanks.

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 6:20 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:45 am gav, in this interaction,

"Mac said:
“At multiple times during day 1 you had viable reasons to go with me and scumread Wilgy but you stopped short and instead just handled him with kid gloves? Why?”

My Response:
Because you literally called both people who voted you is scum!! That’s why!
I had no reasons to go with you, I didn’t see anything wolfy about Wilgy but I did see wolfy things regarding you.
Why would I scum read someone that shouldn’t be scum read? Your read is bad, it’s basically “PL due to emoji posting” which is wrong."

I agree with mac here. while wilgy's emoji posting may not prove him to be wolf, it does literally nothing to help town. it's neutral at best, covering wolf behavior at worst. I also wanted to vote wilgy off but didn't get to it before day ended.


In general, I'd like to say I hard read mac as town right now. yeah I don't have that previous game play with him, but I really respect his answers in his master post towards you. I don't understand how you think paopan is CONFIRMED town - doesn't make sense. he voted with you day 1 - so what? if pao was trying to get wilgy out of day 1 vote, then yeah of course he's gonna happen to vote with you. but I haven't seen you give any other single reason pao should be considered a hard town read. he hardly adds anything worthwhile and I don't view the post that you are reading as a "town slip" as a town slip. And maybe this next reason is just showing my naivety for this game style, but wouldn't any town be *ACTIVELY TRYING* to prove themselves town in a no power game?
I was specifically told to try and make myself obvious town, so why would pao be "slipping" as town? Are you *SURE* you aren't reading a basic wolf tactic of trying to appear town as him being real town? I don't know - not adding up for me here. MightyQ isn't actively posting so i'm not sure what to make of them. but I'm also still not sold on wilgy. In fact, it sounds like multiple of us are still on board for flipping wilgy - cuz if he flips wolf, we can likely deduce from day 1 wagon voting last minute who would be wolf there. doesn't seem like a bad play to me. I appreciated more of what wilgy said once he actually started speaking words, like a town player should, but I'm absolutely not sold on him being a hard town read here. I'm just not convinced.

don't think there's a healthy and necessary level of suspicion in this post for someone considering gav's alignment. reads like porscha knows gav is town and is criticizing a read not actually evaluating

Fair call on me. And I didn't want to necessarily give a read on him because I'm not sure where I place him now. I initially felt he was town. but as the game has gone on, I am questioning whether he is.
however, I did ask him that, if between him and pao, 1 of them is theorized to be wolf, then why isn't gav pushing to townie himself or read pao as likely scum. I don't think I needed to outright say I'm sus on gav - I think my questions and calls to resolve certain accusations are obvious enough on my feelings. I want to see his responses - after then I'm more likely to have a read.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:27 am

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:52 am I am okay to vote for one of the 4 persons I have mentioned today.
Stop at AtE on Gavial Mac and start to think logically. Thanks.

This has town written all over it.

I’ll say it and say it again, Paopan is Obvious Town.
Glad Mac see’s this, now let’s see if Mac is actually town.



Can Mac Town Tell? Is Mac Town? We will see.

sorry, this was posted while I was writing my longer response earlier.

But again I'd like to say, *HOW* is this a hard read town response??? "hurr durr i'm down to vote one of the people I talked about today, okay bye" and you're just drooling all over it????? why?????????????

And honestly, even if I'm getting played by mac, I don't care right now. I'm really sold on his responses to you based on the current game situation. I'm not seeing cohesive answers to these accusations from you raised by mac and others.

So if you'd consider that wilgy is wolf and either you, gav, or pao, are the second wolf - You should be hard pushing pao to prove himself town. if I were you in that kind of position, that's what I would do. I wouldn't be considering pao to be your townie best friend if you / him are accused of being second wolf to save wilgy. If you know you are town... then what does that make the other guy? Why aren't you pushing the other guy to prove that you are town against this theory?

Because ultimately, whether wilgy is town or wolf, he is going to vote in a way to ensure he doesn't get voted off the island. so while his excuse makes sense - it would be the same move whether he was rightfully town, or got caught early wolf.

I also understood your concern that a strong player might fill into a wolf role, but I do agree with the couple others who were outspoken against that play when we had more sus players who - no matter what they flipped - would have provided better info than the 0 poster. I didn't see an explanation you provided for this that made me agree with your decision. which is why I understand that you/pao could easily be partnered with wilgy to save him from the day 1 vote. Not sold on any explanation you've provided for this.

gav, in this interaction,

"Mac said:
“At multiple times during day 1 you had viable reasons to go with me and scumread Wilgy but you stopped short and instead just handled him with kid gloves? Why?”

My Response:
Because you literally called both people who voted you is scum!! That’s why!
I had no reasons to go with you, I didn’t see anything wolfy about Wilgy but I did see wolfy things regarding you.
Why would I scum read someone that shouldn’t be scum read? Your read is bad, it’s basically “PL due to emoji posting” which is wrong."

I agree with mac here. while wilgy's emoji posting may not prove him to be wolf, it does literally nothing to help town. it's neutral at best, covering wolf behavior at worst. I also wanted to vote wilgy off but didn't get to it before day ended.


In general, I'd like to say I hard read mac as town right now. yeah I don't have that previous game play with him, but I really respect his answers in his master post towards you. I don't understand how you think paopan is CONFIRMED town - doesn't make sense. he voted with you day 1 - so what? if pao was trying to get wilgy out of day 1 vote, then yeah of course he's gonna happen to vote with you. but I haven't seen you give any other single reason pao should be considered a hard town read. he hardly adds anything worthwhile and I don't view the post that you are reading as a "town slip" as a town slip. And maybe this next reason is just showing my naivety for this game style, but wouldn't any town be *ACTIVELY TRYING* to prove themselves town in a no power game?
I was specifically told to try and make myself obvious town, so why would pao be "slipping" as town? Are you *SURE* you aren't reading a basic wolf tactic of trying to appear town as him being real town? I don't know - not adding up for me here. MightyQ isn't actively posting so i'm not sure what to make of them. but I'm also still not sold on wilgy. In fact, it sounds like multiple of us are still on board for flipping wilgy - cuz if he flips wolf, we can likely deduce from day 1 wagon voting last minute who would be wolf there. doesn't seem like a bad play to me. I appreciated more of what wilgy said once he actually started speaking words, like a town player should, but I'm absolutely not sold on him being a hard town read here. I'm just not convinced.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:25 am I tried to push Wilgy. I am town. If Wilgy was town the mafia would be voting with me and flipping my incorrect push. So Crich and Wilgy are hard different. I find it hard to believe zero town would vote with me. It is just likely CRich is town.

Lime Coke did not vote at all and has been quite opposed to Gavial's pushes on me during the day but didn't contribute to the ultimate chop. That's suspicious. Inb4 omg Mac is now omgussing LC. LC is probably not with Gavial.

If Crich is the mafia he is not with Gavial, nor Miss Carousel, nor Wilgy.

If Wilgy is mafia it is almost a given that his partner voted to save him.

This game is probably unwinnable if Gavial is town. The mafia will just kill outside the two of us and let him keep doing dumb shit.

So I am not allowing day 2 to pass without flipping Gavial regardless of what I believe his alignment to be. If I fail let it lead to my own flip so that I may escape this madness.

this is kinda dramatic lol. I feel it though. I follow the logic and it gives me town read on you

yeah but like why announce that lol

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:36 pm Alright if Porscha is who I think they are, I think that they should make themselves obvious town if that's the alignment they randed this game.

I'll do my best to make myself an obvious town. Others' perception of me may not always be what I want though lol.

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:54 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:19 pm I feel like I should add something towards my initial distaste for falcon - they initially said early they felt wolfy vibes from gav, but when gav pushed back on the lack of vote, falcon insisted that if their read on gav being wolf was wrong then it means falcon is wolf. which doesnt seem true. what if falcon was just a townie who made a wrong read? I dunno. falcon just seems forceful but I'm not sure if that's their playstyle or just aggressively trying to appear town

Does Falcon lean town to you or not?
I'm interested in your answer.

I feel he leans more scum but I'm not willing to say he's super scummy or obviously evil... because I don't feel like I have good objectifiable evidence - just gut feeling from their interactions mostly

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:11 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:28 pm Is that you Marshmallow Marshal?

Lol no it isn’t but I find it funny how instead of their normal wooper avatar @Porscha chose to use the same avatar Marshmallow Marshal uses.

I'm actually so embarrassed. i'm so dumb. i'm gonna go change it

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:55 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:21 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:20 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:08 pm

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:07 am I posted this while still not knowing what my role/alignment is.

Hi all, confirmed town here!

Hey there, it's been a while!

How do you know this person?

I met Paopan on Starcraft 2 mafia website.

Yo, the SC2 custom game is what introduced me to mafia.

haha sc2 mafia has been my favorite for so long. also how I got into it. if anybody here stills plays it, dm me, we can add on bnet

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:09 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:05 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:32 am If my town list is correct, then the PoE is Paopan, MightyQ, DrWilgy and Porscha.
I'm somewhat confident this has at least one wolf, maybe both and if flipping all of them doesn't end the game then it would be because a wolf slipped into my town list.

I am also leaning more towards:
wilgy being scum - posting, but literally all emojis, nothing with substance - maybe trying to seem present at least to throw off course?
pao - came in and pretty much just said they're town and would liek to be added to the townie list with a cute uwu emoji that everybody here so far has read as not wolfy, but perhaps that's the point? to just come off as ... non wolfy by adding cute emoji? idk I actually read it more as sus, but nobody else seemed to. so maybe i'm wrong there, but I don't have a reason to read them as town.

I think with most others they are at least active and pushing opinions, asking questions, looking at voting, etc.

i'm gonna also come out and say I will probably look pretty wolfy compared to the others on the list if they actually start participating - you guys have a lot more in depth reads than I probably will based on previous experience with other players and more forum experience. but I will do my best to question things that seem off to me and give my thoughts / opinions on who I think is leaning one way or the other.

I see what you mean on Wilgy. The only thing I remember them doing is posting emoji and then disappearing.
Regarding Paopan, that's why I have them in my scum pile. Their entrance felt as though they were more interested in appearing town, rather than help town find the mafia.
Get my drift?

ah yes, pao feeling LAMIST, I see. gotta use my newfound vocab lol. but yes I see.

I feel like I should add something towards my initial distaste for falcon - they initially said early they felt wolfy vibes from gav, but when gav pushed back on the lack of vote, falcon insisted that if their read on gav being wolf was wrong then it means falcon is wolf. which doesnt seem true. what if falcon was just a townie who made a wrong read? I dunno. falcon just seems forceful but I'm not sure if that's their playstyle or just aggressively trying to appear town

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:02 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:00 pm it seems like I'm one of the few people who are unfamiliar with playing with a lot of you so I won't ever have background experience to back up any position I take. just an fyi. I read through everything and while being aggro to create pressure (especially this early with no total confirmation / deaths), I am having negative gut feelings towards falcon. maybe they just aggro tho.

Alright how long have you played Mafia for?

I've been playing mafia since 2014 but I'm new to this board and don't have a ton of experience with forum play but I've done a few.

ps. gonna add a profile pic here shortly so I can be more easily recalled in game play. thanks

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:32 am If my town list is correct, then the PoE is Paopan, MightyQ, DrWilgy and Porscha.
I'm somewhat confident this has at least one wolf, maybe both and if flipping all of them doesn't end the game then it would be because a wolf slipped into my town list.

I am also leaning more towards:
wilgy being scum - posting, but literally all emojis, nothing with substance - maybe trying to seem present at least to throw off course?
pao - came in and pretty much just said they're town and would liek to be added to the townie list with a cute uwu emoji that everybody here so far has read as not wolfy, but perhaps that's the point? to just come off as ... non wolfy by adding cute emoji? idk I actually read it more as sus, but nobody else seemed to. so maybe i'm wrong there, but I don't have a reason to read them as town.

I think with most others they are at least active and pushing opinions, asking questions, looking at voting, etc.

i'm gonna also come out and say I will probably look pretty wolfy compared to the others on the list if they actually start participating - you guys have a lot more in depth reads than I probably will based on previous experience with other players and more forum experience. but I will do my best to question things that seem off to me and give my thoughts / opinions on who I think is leaning one way or the other.

it seems like I'm one of the few people who are unfamiliar with playing with a lot of you so I won't ever have background experience to back up any position I take. just an fyi. I read through everything and while being aggro to create pressure (especially this early with no total confirmation / deaths), I am having negative gut feelings towards falcon. maybe they just aggro tho.

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:59 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:54 am Voting CRichard because I really don’t like their vote on Paopan plus my Paranoia on Mac and somewhat Falcon also has a chance to include CRichard as their partner.

I thought Paopan felt too LAMIST in their opening post so I voted them, and their OMGUS vote doesn't make me a fan of their slot.

Please explain the terms LAMIST and OMGUS please - not familiar with those terms

Hello fellow gamers, it's me, your local townie

*whispers* how do you vote in this one?