The Syndicate

Millium wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:53 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:47 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:34 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:30 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:26 pm @santygrass i came around to Neon if you look back at our interactions from last night with me/Neon/Mac/Ender. I also explained my reasoning on why I switched from Lily to Neon last night as well.

I will say santy, that part of my feeling on you is that I feel like you’re misrepresenting my posts which lead u to scum read me and since then I feel like you’ve confbiased it further. Like sure I haven’t done much either to talk with you or figure it out, but that’s why I asked others why they tr you so I can see from a different perspective from my town reads of why they tr you.

I guess while you’re reading this, what do u think about The people not noticing that you do “pocket as town” as shown in your finals game especially from Tilg lol. That’s the one take I actually disagree with as far as the “tmi” stuff goes cause I do disagree with that reasoning.

And I realized my vote is still on Neon which is why you guys think I sr them lol…

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine
can you point out in which posts santy misrepresents yours? I'm still mildly behind >.>

also, wanna talk to me about proscha? I don't really remember them at all, and this is the...second(?) time you're voting a low poster with a wagon this game
So when santy first sr me, he mentioned how I was attempting to “distance Ilario/spf” which is just not accurate since I was tr them during that time.

Additionally, he discussed how my pushes on Lily was bad at the time despite her only having 5 votes and now since then still hasn’t seen the reasoning of why I voted Lily and my progression there.

I suppose with neon maybe it’s partially my fault bc my vote was there at the time, but in the thread I had somewhat come around to her and put her up to leaning towns and santy must have missed on that because he asked me why did I push on neon when I explained my thought process there.

I do believe the “santy” tmi arguments are invalid and bad pushes on him in all fairness
@santygrass how much of the relevant posts/situations have you read?

back to aro, did/do those things affect your santy read? or in other words, how intentional/malicious do you think this was?

I don't really remember santy having things with misunderstandings like that happen in either qual G3 or champs final, but that might be a difference in effort invested, in which case clearing up misunderstandings would be important

also, while you mention it here, what's your PoV on your lily vote? how much of it would you say was sheeping, are blank votes common for you?
there was definitely a lot of focus on how he handle his reads, which also led to his mislynch in finals, which is something I see here
Idk about misunderstandings since I dont remember any there
what misunderstandings are happening here though?

I felt like santy and sean were kinda talking past each other, which I in part chalked up to misunderstandings
and then aro brought up something similar happening before
so it just kinda caught my attention
I dunno if that's bad timing or what tho, so might not be too relevant

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:52 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:47 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:08 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:00 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:56 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:24 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:34 pm [unvote]Lily[/unvote]

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Will I explain this naked vote rn? No, because I’m at a hockey game. I’ll give thoughts later but spf is pretty townie here and so is rondo

Lily is a bit better, but will keep my eye there still.
[VOTE: Aro] aubergine

Oh Mai gawd u sucksssss

But also this post is actually just bad.
Why is this post “actually bad”?
Both your progression on Lily and your vote on me in this post have pinged me.

But I will at least wait until you give me a reason for your vote on me for that part.
My progression on Lily started with,

Lily hasn’t done much and their tr on me felt a bit out of place at the time (partial sheep from spf)

Lily can town it up under pressure if town

I vote there to increase pressure and force Lily to give more thoughts and to better evaluate her

Lily comes into thread and gives thoughts on santy/spf/neon in a way that seems townie indicative for Lily

I unvote Lily has she has been posting better and the pressure applied managed to help me have a better read on her

I vote on neon because Even though people liked ur post bursts, I wasn’t really a fan and thought that ur defence of rondo felt odd considering u didn’t think he was town yet still defended him based on “personality doesn’t mean he’s mafia” but the way you went about it by defending him but not committing to a read on him felt odd. And I saw some people throw ur name around and decided to vote there.

But behold, some people took exception to it as well lmfao
@santygrass @Millium

This should respond to ur questions about my Lily progression and Neon vote. You can also click from this post on to see how the convo developed as well
@Tilgarial saw ur recent post and gonna tag u here cause I think it would help u out view my progression.

yeh, I saw that after posting

Chamomile wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:38 pm First things first, how do I vote Wisp?

welcome!

[vote.][/vote.] without the dots
and wisp is millium
have you read anything yet?

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:34 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:30 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:26 pm @santygrass i came around to Neon if you look back at our interactions from last night with me/Neon/Mac/Ender. I also explained my reasoning on why I switched from Lily to Neon last night as well.

I will say santy, that part of my feeling on you is that I feel like you’re misrepresenting my posts which lead u to scum read me and since then I feel like you’ve confbiased it further. Like sure I haven’t done much either to talk with you or figure it out, but that’s why I asked others why they tr you so I can see from a different perspective from my town reads of why they tr you.

I guess while you’re reading this, what do u think about The people not noticing that you do “pocket as town” as shown in your finals game especially from Tilg lol. That’s the one take I actually disagree with as far as the “tmi” stuff goes cause I do disagree with that reasoning.

And I realized my vote is still on Neon which is why you guys think I sr them lol…

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine
can you point out in which posts santy misrepresents yours? I'm still mildly behind >.>

also, wanna talk to me about proscha? I don't really remember them at all, and this is the...second(?) time you're voting a low poster with a wagon this game
So when santy first sr me, he mentioned how I was attempting to “distance Ilario/spf” which is just not accurate since I was tr them during that time.

Additionally, he discussed how my pushes on Lily was bad at the time despite her only having 5 votes and now since then still hasn’t seen the reasoning of why I voted Lily and my progression there.

I suppose with neon maybe it’s partially my fault bc my vote was there at the time, but in the thread I had somewhat come around to her and put her up to leaning towns and santy must have missed on that because he asked me why did I push on neon when I explained my thought process there.

I do believe the “santy” tmi arguments are invalid and bad pushes on him in all fairness

@santygrass how much of the relevant posts/situations have you read?

back to aro, did/do those things affect your santy read? or in other words, how intentional/malicious do you think this was?

I don't really remember santy having things with misunderstandings like that happen in either qual G3 or champs final, but that might be a difference in effort invested, in which case clearing up misunderstandings would be important

also, while you mention it here, what's your PoV on your lily vote? how much of it would you say was sheeping, are blank votes common for you?

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:26 pm @santygrass i came around to Neon if you look back at our interactions from last night with me/Neon/Mac/Ender. I also explained my reasoning on why I switched from Lily to Neon last night as well.

I will say santy, that part of my feeling on you is that I feel like you’re misrepresenting my posts which lead u to scum read me and since then I feel like you’ve confbiased it further. Like sure I haven’t done much either to talk with you or figure it out, but that’s why I asked others why they tr you so I can see from a different perspective from my town reads of why they tr you.

I guess while you’re reading this, what do u think about The people not noticing that you do “pocket as town” as shown in your finals game especially from Tilg lol. That’s the one take I actually disagree with as far as the “tmi” stuff goes cause I do disagree with that reasoning.

And I realized my vote is still on Neon which is why you guys think I sr them lol…

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

can you point out in which posts santy misrepresents yours? I'm still mildly behind >.>

also, wanna talk to me about proscha? I don't really remember them at all, and this is the...second(?) time you're voting a low poster with a wagon this game

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:37 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:25 pm @Millium I recommend casting a vote sooner rather than later.

@Neon you are on a vanity wagon. I recommend you either vy for that wagon or move.

@arogame123 you are on a vanity wagon. I recommend you either vy for that wagon or move.

@Tilgarial you are on a vanity wagon. I recommend you either vy for that wagon or move.

@Belzy you are on a vanity wagon. I recommend you either vy for that wagon or move.

@RondoDimBuckle you are on a vanity wagon. I recommend you either vy for that wagon or move.
Technically my wagon is not that vanity

you're voting me?
am I gonna find a reasoning in catchup (which I should really be paying more attention to btw) or do you wanna talk about it?

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:36 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:30 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:25 pm Why I I cant say that I should've ignored you if my approach is to nottreat you as scummy?

Like, I didnt have that much faith in you finding me.either eay. Doesnt matter if you were town or scum.

And having you FEEL like I was tring you is something I do in purpose because I work better with good vibes and not being salty like I am rn so my reads arent going to be useful now . Skill Issue /shrug
can you express what exactly is making you feel salty rn?
I think its not good for threadhealth to answer that.

Anyways I gotta go so prob good to just take a breath from the game and come back later.

@Allison can you make a ISO of Ender and say your readon their latest post? Mostly interested in what do you think about their read ln aro and how they got there

alright, that's fair.

see ya around!

also I forgot last post, let me consolidate

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:25 pm @Millium I recommend casting a vote sooner rather than later.

@Neon you are on a vanity wagon. I recommend you either vy for that wagon or move.

@arogame123 you are on a vanity wagon. I recommend you either vy for that wagon or move.

@Tilgarial you are on a vanity wagon. I recommend you either vy for that wagon or move.

@Belzy you are on a vanity wagon. I recommend you either vy for that wagon or move.

@RondoDimBuckle you are on a vanity wagon. I recommend you either vy for that wagon or move.

I've been told lily has posted more, and from the fact it's not a current wagon I'll assume they posted better, so ig I can unvote in advance
not sure where I want my vote to be rn though
and yes, I assume you want me to vote santy, but my talk with them rn hasn't really made me feel a wolf!santy tbh

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:25 pm Why I I cant say that I should've ignored you if my approach is to nottreat you as scummy?

Like, I didnt have that much faith in you finding me.either eay. Doesnt matter if you were town or scum.

And having you FEEL like I was tring you is something I do in purpose because I work better with good vibes and not being salty like I am rn so my reads arent going to be useful now . Skill Issue /shrug

can you express what exactly is making you feel salty rn?

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:16 pm Smh Tilga saying that I as town acted super pockety to them (aka acting like TMIing them town) when they were a wolf and saying at the same time that Sean argument makes sense smhsmh. Like cmon Tilg you should know that Sean read is full of Skill Issue. And that I have Skill Issue too.

Also yeah, its like on my worry radar because of it. And the Lily vote made me put you into scumlean.

it makes sense to me in sofar that I think they actually hold that perspective
I haven't actually decided if I want to think you're mafia, but yeah, I'm probably not gonna find Wolf!you from that angle anyways

that's fair, thank you

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:14 pm @Tilgarial I think you are still catching up. But when you finish that I'm interested in your thought on Aro / Lilypetal tbh

yeah, sorry, I keep getting distracted by like 5 things, and only one of them is the game >.>

doesn't help that I think you/sean would probably be talking past each other if I didn't mediate, but I'll get there... at some point

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:08 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:01 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:50 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:37 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:27 pm Like, OMG I dont treat people that Im not sure of their alignment as wolf, clearly TMI!!! is your read rn, and its super inaccurate because I try to work with people while interacting with them, so unless I have reasons to suspect them Im going to treat them the way you see as 'TMIing town' , which is a super bad read ln your part on me. But its nicer to just call it Skill Issue :hmmyes:
this is kinda a misrepresentation, ngl

the take is that your arguments and perspective on their slot is that of considering them town, but your actual stated reads aren't, which is a mild distinction to not treating people you're unsure of as wolf
When you interact with someone and try to 'align' or see their approach from where it comes from, is perceived most likely as town, which is what I am refering.

Like, most of my stuff is me saying why I could see it as towny, but why I am not married to that read. I didnt accuse them as wolf to try to work together with them. They took that as TMIing them Town . I look at that read and took it as Skill Issue which is what I am bitching about in tha post. Idk if its clear. If not, Skill Issue
that's a good answer, tbh

@Seanzie thoughts?
From what I can tell, their defense is that they weren't townreading me, just being hedgy on my slot. I don't think that is true - I feel like they were projecting my alignment through how they were interacting with me, but even if it were true, it still isn't exactly great.

I'd say it's more about them generally taking an innocent until proven(proven as in, finding reasons not to) otherwise stance - can prolly take a look at how they treat other slots here and see if there's something relevant there - to make working with others easier, that's not really hedging from my PoV

does that change anything for you?

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:02 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:59 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:47 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:33 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:23 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:15 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:15 am

I don't think I've seen you talk before, wanna talk with me about why you're scumleaning me?
I'm also gonna assume lily showed up and was different, but I'll get there at some point
also @santygrass
I missed that post wowee.

But yeah, I scumleant you because I disliked pretty much the Lily vote. Like, it was a super easy vote with a lack of tooth/solving intent behind it imo.

And not getting townpinged by you made me just put you there tbh
if I told you I partially just wanted to throw my vote around as early as possible to break my habit of late voting, would that make a difference? granted, I kinda got a wrench thrown in that plan by not finding enough scumreads to actually do that, but still

would you have relied on a townping from me?
Gotcha. Its just that the vote felt indeed like a but forced/empty in its intent to me.

And if im understanding correctly, no, I wouldn't had townread you if you pinged me town because #SnowedParanoia .
But not being pinged that way was enough to scumlean you. Such is the life of a good wolf player
that's fair, tbh

why tho?

also, I'm a way better wolf than town player, so whelp

Because if you are able to super pocket me as wolf, ann when you were gown you flew under the radar for me until I actually started reading you and became obvtown. So like, getting towny pings from you was something that I was thinking was a given going in into the game

hey! you pocketed me back there!

and your thoughts are that since I'm not, it's sus?

Millium wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:01 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:56 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:40 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:37 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:27 pm Like, OMG I dont treat people that Im not sure of their alignment as wolf, clearly TMI!!! is your read rn, and its super inaccurate because I try to work with people while interacting with them, so unless I have reasons to suspect them Im going to treat them the way you see as 'TMIing town' , which is a super bad read ln your part on me. But its nicer to just call it Skill Issue :hmmyes:
this is kinda a misrepresentation, ngl

the take is that your arguments and perspective on their slot is that of considering them town, but your actual stated reads aren't, which is a mild distinction to not treating people you're unsure of as wolf
would you consider a slot like Sean "gg no re, town slot" based off just tone and how natural their posts come off to you, given their content has been shallow, very antagonistic, and only recently push a really wolf read on Santy which seems like an over-exaggeration or hella conf-biased?
I don't remember townreading sean before this
I don't remember very much from sean before this at all, actually
but I *do* see his perspective here, and that post wasn't it
as for the over-exaggeration/hella conf-biased... hard to say. I do think they actually believe that push or at least have a high stake in it
sure to be fair, Santy's response might be built a bit on frustration, not necessarily sure he is miscontruing it in a malicious way. Since I've seen Santy get a little a head of himself when people are poking at him. A lot of people also dont have good handling on players that choose the grand standing approach, but that also doesn't mean I at all agree with Sean's read of Santy

but does he believe it or not, is definitely what I want to confirm

that's fair. I didn't mean to call it malicious when I said misrepresentation either, but it didn't align with the actual sussing, which tends to be not great either way

Millium wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:58 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:51 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:37 pm Where have I repped a strong wolf read on Tilg? I just expected their "town" game to be a little more vocal, and I can see hints of both their wolf games, of which dont include the Tilg that got shot night one by wolves. Which includes me not understanding how Illario came to the opposite conclusion, or why I am being accused of wolf reading Illario, which has never really happened. I am pretty sure I stated before, but if I haven't, there handling of slots has never really felt like someone with TMI. Not that problems with some of their reads dont exist.
what exactly are you seeing here from my wolf games?
also, I have no clue what you're talking about with the bolded
Im under the impression you got shot night 1 in ur town game, but I might be mistaken, it wouldn't be uncommon for me to screw up stuff like that, since my memory is bad. I dont really see a voice, I see someone sitting in the back, but I also haven't had the time to confirm that via an iso

in champs quali? I got shot... night 3 or 4, I think. maybe 5, but I don't think so

...I'm not a leader figure regardless of alignment, so yes, I've probably kinda been taking a backseat? not sure I get that point the way you mean it

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:50 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:37 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:27 pm Like, OMG I dont treat people that Im not sure of their alignment as wolf, clearly TMI!!! is your read rn, and its super inaccurate because I try to work with people while interacting with them, so unless I have reasons to suspect them Im going to treat them the way you see as 'TMIing town' , which is a super bad read ln your part on me. But its nicer to just call it Skill Issue :hmmyes:
this is kinda a misrepresentation, ngl

the take is that your arguments and perspective on their slot is that of considering them town, but your actual stated reads aren't, which is a mild distinction to not treating people you're unsure of as wolf
When you interact with someone and try to 'align' or see their approach from where it comes from, is perceived most likely as town, which is what I am refering.

Like, most of my stuff is me saying why I could see it as towny, but why I am not married to that read. I didnt accuse them as wolf to try to work together with them. They took that as TMIing them Town . I look at that read and took it as Skill Issue which is what I am bitching about in tha post. Idk if its clear. If not, Skill Issue

that's a good answer, tbh

@Seanzie thoughts?

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:47 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:33 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:23 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:15 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:15 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:09 am Confident TOWN : Neon , Lily
Town: ilario, spf, Mac , Alison
Scumlean : Tilg , Porscha
Scum: Aro

Lily obvtowned when they had time to post so its an easy promotion tbhtbh. I was going to put ender in scumlean, but their replies to me made me waver enough on that read so willing to reeval.
Porscha is not pinging me as Town and going mostly UTR so prob good to keep and eye there. Plus the defense of aro I just dont like either so wowee. Same can be said to Dyachei but tbh I have less experience with Dyachei so I'm mostly w/e on that slot
Talking about Dya nook switched their vote onto Dya. Early nook felt kinda V to me based on ~vibes~ and the vig ~claim~ but its not enough at this point to maintain it tbh. Not interested in pressuring nook either tho, since that switch isnt bad IMO
I don't think I've seen you talk before, wanna talk with me about why you're scumleaning me?
I'm also gonna assume lily showed up and was different, but I'll get there at some point
also @santygrass
I missed that post wowee.

But yeah, I scumleant you because I disliked pretty much the Lily vote. Like, it was a super easy vote with a lack of tooth/solving intent behind it imo.

And not getting townpinged by you made me just put you there tbh
if I told you I partially just wanted to throw my vote around as early as possible to break my habit of late voting, would that make a difference? granted, I kinda got a wrench thrown in that plan by not finding enough scumreads to actually do that, but still

would you have relied on a townping from me?
Gotcha. Its just that the vote felt indeed like a but forced/empty in its intent to me.

And if im understanding correctly, no, I wouldn't had townread you if you pinged me town because #SnowedParanoia .
But not being pinged that way was enough to scumlean you. Such is the life of a good wolf player

that's fair, tbh

why tho?

also, I'm a way better wolf than town player, so whelp

Millium wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:40 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:37 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:27 pm Like, OMG I dont treat people that Im not sure of their alignment as wolf, clearly TMI!!! is your read rn, and its super inaccurate because I try to work with people while interacting with them, so unless I have reasons to suspect them Im going to treat them the way you see as 'TMIing town' , which is a super bad read ln your part on me. But its nicer to just call it Skill Issue :hmmyes:
this is kinda a misrepresentation, ngl

the take is that your arguments and perspective on their slot is that of considering them town, but your actual stated reads aren't, which is a mild distinction to not treating people you're unsure of as wolf
would you consider a slot like Sean "gg no re, town slot" based off just tone and how natural their posts come off to you, given their content has been shallow, very antagonistic, and only recently push a really wolf read on Santy which seems like an over-exaggeration or hella conf-biased?

I don't remember townreading sean before this
I don't remember very much from sean before this at all, actually
but I *do* see his perspective here, and that post wasn't it
as for the over-exaggeration/hella conf-biased... hard to say. I do think they actually believe that push or at least have a high stake in it

Millium wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:37 pm Where have I repped a strong wolf read on Tilg? I just expected their "town" game to be a little more vocal, and I can see hints of both their wolf games, of which dont include the Tilg that got shot night one by wolves. Which includes me not understanding how Illario came to the opposite conclusion, or why I am being accused of wolf reading Illario, which has never really happened. I am pretty sure I stated before, but if I haven't, there handling of slots has never really felt like someone with TMI. Not that problems with some of their reads dont exist.

what exactly are you seeing here from my wolf games?
also, I have no clue what you're talking about with the bolded

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:34 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:33 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:31 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:27 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:25 pm apparently not agreeing with seanzie's take means you could be a partner to someone you're not v reading
What does your stated read have to do with anything? Do you not believe in "distancing"? I don't even know your read on Santy.

All I know is that 1.) the timing of your post moving away from Santy to Aro seemed a bit suspicious, and 2.) the fact that you won't admit that "natural" and "townie, but..." are positive takes on a player. Is it enough to write home about? no. But it is enough to make me curious.
I have him as null

I don't distance like this as a wolf and you should know because you've seen me wolf at least twice
I don't remember anything about your approach to your partners in either of those games.
seems like a skill issue

whenever I see your avi, I keep thinking of chilly from champs
if you're mafia and win this game, it would be highly entertaining if your reactionpost was "Oh"

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:27 pm Like, OMG I dont treat people that Im not sure of their alignment as wolf, clearly TMI!!! is your read rn, and its super inaccurate because I try to work with people while interacting with them, so unless I have reasons to suspect them Im going to treat them the way you see as 'TMIing town' , which is a super bad read ln your part on me. But its nicer to just call it Skill Issue :hmmyes:

this is kinda a misrepresentation, ngl

the take is that your arguments and perspective on their slot is that of considering them town, but your actual stated reads aren't, which is a mild distinction to not treating people you're unsure of as wolf

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:23 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:15 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:15 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:09 am Confident TOWN : Neon , Lily
Town: ilario, spf, Mac , Alison
Scumlean : Tilg , Porscha
Scum: Aro

Lily obvtowned when they had time to post so its an easy promotion tbhtbh. I was going to put ender in scumlean, but their replies to me made me waver enough on that read so willing to reeval.
Porscha is not pinging me as Town and going mostly UTR so prob good to keep and eye there. Plus the defense of aro I just dont like either so wowee. Same can be said to Dyachei but tbh I have less experience with Dyachei so I'm mostly w/e on that slot
Talking about Dya nook switched their vote onto Dya. Early nook felt kinda V to me based on ~vibes~ and the vig ~claim~ but its not enough at this point to maintain it tbh. Not interested in pressuring nook either tho, since that switch isnt bad IMO
I don't think I've seen you talk before, wanna talk with me about why you're scumleaning me?
I'm also gonna assume lily showed up and was different, but I'll get there at some point
also @santygrass
I missed that post wowee.

But yeah, I scumleant you because I disliked pretty much the Lily vote. Like, it was a super easy vote with a lack of tooth/solving intent behind it imo.

And not getting townpinged by you made me just put you there tbh

if I told you I partially just wanted to throw my vote around as early as possible to break my habit of late voting, would that make a difference? granted, I kinda got a wrench thrown in that plan by not finding enough scumreads to actually do that, but still

would you have relied on a townping from me?

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:20 pm Ninja'd by Tilga nooooo

When you write the name t ping, you have to click on the username tbh. Like , when writing the name a sort lf bar appears with users and you have to tap the one you want to ping

ninja'd by about an hour, too

@santygrass
huh, didn't see that before. thanks!

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:16 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:15 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:15 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:09 am Confident TOWN : Neon , Lily
Town: ilario, spf, Mac , Alison
Scumlean : Tilg , Porscha
Scum: Aro

Lily obvtowned when they had time to post so its an easy promotion tbhtbh. I was going to put ender in scumlean, but their replies to me made me waver enough on that read so willing to reeval.
Porscha is not pinging me as Town and going mostly UTR so prob good to keep and eye there. Plus the defense of aro I just dont like either so wowee. Same can be said to Dyachei but tbh I have less experience with Dyachei so I'm mostly w/e on that slot
Talking about Dya nook switched their vote onto Dya. Early nook felt kinda V to me based on ~vibes~ and the vig ~claim~ but its not enough at this point to maintain it tbh. Not interested in pressuring nook either tho, since that switch isnt bad IMO
I don't think I've seen you talk before, wanna talk with me about why you're scumleaning me?
I'm also gonna assume lily showed up and was different, but I'll get there at some point
also @santygrass
@santygrass

what do I have to do to tag some people on this site? this is like the third time I tried, and none worked
the arcane black magic they call programming around these parts must require a ritual I am not familiar with

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:15 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:15 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:09 am Confident TOWN : Neon , Lily
Town: ilario, spf, Mac , Alison
Scumlean : Tilg , Porscha
Scum: Aro

Lily obvtowned when they had time to post so its an easy promotion tbhtbh. I was going to put ender in scumlean, but their replies to me made me waver enough on that read so willing to reeval.
Porscha is not pinging me as Town and going mostly UTR so prob good to keep and eye there. Plus the defense of aro I just dont like either so wowee. Same can be said to Dyachei but tbh I have less experience with Dyachei so I'm mostly w/e on that slot
Talking about Dya nook switched their vote onto Dya. Early nook felt kinda V to me based on ~vibes~ and the vig ~claim~ but its not enough at this point to maintain it tbh. Not interested in pressuring nook either tho, since that switch isnt bad IMO
I don't think I've seen you talk before, wanna talk with me about why you're scumleaning me?
I'm also gonna assume lily showed up and was different, but I'll get there at some point
also @santygrass

@santygrass

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:15 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:09 am Confident TOWN : Neon , Lily
Town: ilario, spf, Mac , Alison
Scumlean : Tilg , Porscha
Scum: Aro

Lily obvtowned when they had time to post so its an easy promotion tbhtbh. I was going to put ender in scumlean, but their replies to me made me waver enough on that read so willing to reeval.
Porscha is not pinging me as Town and going mostly UTR so prob good to keep and eye there. Plus the defense of aro I just dont like either so wowee. Same can be said to Dyachei but tbh I have less experience with Dyachei so I'm mostly w/e on that slot
Talking about Dya nook switched their vote onto Dya. Early nook felt kinda V to me based on ~vibes~ and the vig ~claim~ but its not enough at this point to maintain it tbh. Not interested in pressuring nook either tho, since that switch isnt bad IMO
I don't think I've seen you talk before, wanna talk with me about why you're scumleaning me?
I'm also gonna assume lily showed up and was different, but I'll get there at some point

also @santygrass

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:39 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:19 am @Seanzie How do you feel about me?

Standing Emoji

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:20 am One part of me wants to just ignore Seanzie, but Im too much of a nice guy and totally dismiss their read on me would be rude methinks

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:27 am Well, I'm not. So Skill Issue there

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:51 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:46 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:40 am Like, I can explain or go into more detail my Neon tr , or why I vibed with spf/ilario takes but I feel like its kinda clear in my ISO?
Like, usually I can kinda understand why people scumread me, but I kinda feel that I have been obvtowning kinda hard this game. I have made my statements clear and see people give the lazy 'feels TMI' read when they have played with me before as town and know this is a shit take tbh.

Lik cmon @Lilypetal you said that I couldnt townread you off of 5 posts, when the reason I expressed I thought you were town is because two of my scumreads were voting you, when you were in a lhf position? Ffs if anyone seriously think thats a tmi type of read they have to check their skill issue right now

The read on Neon is kinda super clear too why I gave it. Like, a strong meld on the takes, and the way Neon preseted those takes (irt to aro and Tilga) to the thread was super obvtown? Like, not wanting to show 'I have these reads' , but rather implying them at the start and being lowkey about it in the midst of their fluff posting, its just super towny to me.

And like, I only have 2 games with Neon . The Misplay one and the Mash. @MacDougall was in both, so cmparing those two , I think its kinda obvious why I would see this style of posting more towny of Neon? Like, Im not calling Neon polarized because I clearly lack meta, but its and indicator + the melding + the approach in how they take the game irt their read was just super towny.

@staypositivefriend also should know that I mostly base my reads on how I think a player is approaching the game, and that usually leads me to giving confident reads, specially townreads that are usually right (not always. But thats why reassessing exists. ). Like spf you were spectating finale, and one lf the reasons specchat tunneled me was the confidence I had in against tje consensus reads that they were right (aka my Ephemera tow read, which was confident from early and was right. Wowee! ) .

So I think the 'zzanty with reads that feel like TMI' is Lazy and reeking Skill Issue tbh. And something a wolf can easily hop in to boost.

With the latter I am thinking of @arogame123 which mentioned me as possible mafia while doing no effort in trying to interact with me imo , and I was personally expecting more effort in their part in regards to my slot because we are both One Piece Fans tbhtbh
What is your read on me? How do you think I'm approaching the game?
The way you treated your vote / approach feels natural atm, but its not something I can do much atm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:56 am To reply more to the approach part.

Feel like an approach that doesnt care to *explain* much why they think some stuff? And a kinda bold but not loud one.

I mostly refer to this with being kinda lurking and be obvious about it, how you vote but not make much of a push, and it feels *natural* because it is in lin with how you just put the colored list and also dont care to give explanations about ut.

So looking at the string of posts I see how the approach adds up and feels good, but not so much of how many is alignment indicative.

Like, the way you said 'I would vote santy rn' without voting me felt pretty based. And then you ended voting me. That felt kinda towny to me, but at the same time could be a misread and that just being your playstyle. Because at the end you are voting towm there /shrug
Read these posts and tell me this person does not know I'm town.

They are bending over backwards to find a way to cast my approach as "natural" without ever considering for a second that I'm a wolf trying to make them wolfprey.

"part of me just wants to ignore Seanzie" aka they do not consider my push on them possibly coming from a wolf, instead they just want to dismiss an incorrect townie.

"skill issue there" they do not consider that I could be purposefully reading them mafia to get them to flip, they only consider that I might be a wrong townie with a skill issue.

The final post I quote, almost every sentence is "Seanzie is townie, but I don't want to say that out loud".

They clearly know I'm town, and the fact that they do not include me in their towreads makes it so this is TMI.

to the skill issue part, that's a common santy phrase tbh. like. I don't remember santy telling a wolf to their face that they have a skill issue, but
I don't think it would be out of character?

I honestly kinda see where you're coming from otherwise, if you put it like that
the final post you quoted kinda sounded like subdued paranoia tbh, but that assessment doesn't really work well with the natural comment
not sure I'm willing to buy into this quite yet, but thank you for explaining

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:22 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:18 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:17 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:15 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:13 am also for the record, when i was on yesterday the only time anyone interacted with me was when i said seanzie wasn't being obvtown like normal and he popped in right at that moment to not like it
Yeh, I think Seanzie kinda blatantly is on thread and doesnt seem to care about replying to most stuff but its quick to reply if there is a post relating to them.

But... I dont really know if that is AI? like, it just seemed so blatant to me that I read it as a playstyle thingy
I don't really see him solving in thread which is unusual for him
This assesment is true @Seanzie ?

If so, why the difference now?
You already know I'm town, why question me?

You seem to be having a strong opinion about santy. wanna talk to me about that, or is there something I should keep an eye out when I get to their posts?

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:09 am Confident TOWN : Neon , Lily
Town: ilario, spf, Mac , Alison
Scumlean : Tilg , Porscha
Scum: Aro

Lily obvtowned when they had time to post so its an easy promotion tbhtbh. I was going to put ender in scumlean, but their replies to me made me waver enough on that read so willing to reeval.
Porscha is not pinging me as Town and going mostly UTR so prob good to keep and eye there. Plus the defense of aro I just dont like either so wowee. Same can be said to Dyachei but tbh I have less experience with Dyachei so I'm mostly w/e on that slot
Talking about Dya nook switched their vote onto Dya. Early nook felt kinda V to me based on ~vibes~ and the vig ~claim~ but its not enough at this point to maintain it tbh. Not interested in pressuring nook either tho, since that switch isnt bad IMO

I don't think I've seen you talk before, wanna talk with me about why you're scumleaning me?
I'm also gonna assume lily showed up and was different, but I'll get there at some point

Alright, I'm here!
still gonna go and catch up tho

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 9:32 am
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 9:29 am
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 9:07 am 3) I don’t think she’s ever called me out for not explaining reads ever, and when someone like Tilg was able to spot it’s likely nai at best It does bother me that spf thought to mention it
I don't think this changes much about your point, but
I'm slightly uncomfortable with the second part of this standing without comment; I'd like to think that's something I'd just catch on to/notice relatively easily, whereas I don't know if the same applies to SPF
the context for this point is we have only played together once, whereas spf is the person i have the longest history with. if u count games we played on ems chat based format we have hundreds of games together.

....I guess I retract my complaint

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 9:07 am 3) I don’t think she’s ever called me out for not explaining reads ever, and when someone like Tilg was able to spot it’s likely nai at best It does bother me that spf thought to mention it

I don't think this changes much about your point, but
I'm slightly uncomfortable with the second part of this standing without comment; I'd like to think that's something I'd just catch on to/notice relatively easily, whereas I don't know if the same applies to SPF

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:36 am naook illario and alison are all town

lilypetal and aro contains one mafia

gn

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:37 am actually

[VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:02 am my concern about lily is that her posts so far have awkward energy and the TR on aro felt unnatural

To be fair, the reasoning only came later, but by that point I already went looking at the ISO and basically came to mostly the same conclusion, so it might have felt slightly mindmelt-y too

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:59 am
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:58 am
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:25 am @Tilgarial if you had to pick 2 of the more active posters that have the highest chance of flipping wolf who would they be?
Active posters so far are... aro, SPF, mac, illario, belzy, wisp, Alison, Ender/neon maybe?
Alison/aro/SPF/illario I'm townreading to one degree or another
Mac I'd probably lean town too if I was forced to decide

Ender/belzy I haven't really paid much attention to so far
Wisp(Milly) I'm somewhat neutral on
Neon I haven't really reached a conclusion yet

Not sure I can narrow it down more than that without picking arbitrarily at this point, tbh
Maybe reserve one spot for wisp, though I can see him getting a townread if he actually talks to me about his viewpoint, so meh
Can you explain why you are townreading the bolded. I don't need a comprehensive answer. Just a believable one.

in short -

I talked about this a few posts ago or so, but illario for how he's treating/thinking of my slot

SPF because they brought attention to a slot that could use some attention, and had good reasons for it

aro chose clearing up a misunderstanding over dismissing a suspoint

Alison for a couple things she's said coming more from a town perspective/felt likeshe had some natural progression

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:25 am @Tilgarial if you had to pick 2 of the more active posters that have the highest chance of flipping wolf who would they be?

Active posters so far are... aro, SPF, mac, illario, belzy, wisp, Alison, Ender/neon maybe?
Alison/aro/SPF/illario I'm townreading to one degree or another
Mac I'd probably lean town too if I was forced to decide

Ender/belzy I haven't really paid much attention to so far
Wisp(Milly) I'm somewhat neutral on
Neon I haven't really reached a conclusion yet

Not sure I can narrow it down more than that without picking arbitrarily at this point, tbh
Maybe reserve one spot for wisp, though I can see him getting a townread if he actually talks to me about his viewpoint, so meh

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:09 am i have no hesitation making a direct read on you fwiw

im just trying to keep people aware of your slot, so you are correct in that im taking last game into account in that regard

yeah, something like that
I'd say that's just generally an attitude that's fairly hard to fake/not necessarily the first thing mafia thinks of faking, so towny

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:55 am
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:24 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:14 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:09 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:08 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:00 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:59 amI'm bored.
do you have the solve?
I have a solve.
Drop it like it's hot.
I did

You and Tilg are scum

I was gonna say that it's You SPF and Alison because I'm toxic but i don't actually believe that.
why?
Both for silly reasons that I'll probably rescind later

You for the vote I quoted

Aro for googling a gif to get a free town read

I mostly agreed with SPF's assessment of that slot, it had a weird energy and a read felt forced, so I didn't mind voting there
if you have different thoughts on that, I wouldn't mind hearing them?
otherwise I'm keeping my vote there till something else catches my eye and/or I reevaluate after the person in question speaks more

Spoiler: show

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:40 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:40 am Ok yea, pikachu is probably mafia/3p this game.

For those who don’t know pikachu, you’ll know once they respond to this.

Will I expand on this read? No, not yet.

Also @illario, I already said it before but wisp ATE is NAI so this goes to anyone else tr wisp for ATE. That’s a weak and not a good reason to tr Wisp.

Also Illario, if I told you I planned on asking that question regardless of my alignment that you considered “an awkward way” to enter/fit into the thread, what would you think then?

Also, Mac is a stronger tr and Rondo did something similar from what I remember in our previous game.
Hmmm normally it would simmer my read but I also remember you having a similar response to me in cats and dogs when I found your opening pingy. Also I didn’t read much in gravity falls but I remember for some reason skimming the first page of that game before flips and finding your opening pingy there too. Maybe I just got overconfident from those two instances and I could be wrong here.

What’s your thoughts on belsy and Tilg?

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:57 am
Millium wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:56 am
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:50 am
Millium wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:44 am
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:38 am you are literally crying for me to let you do your thing while i do mine which is literally what i was doing

i outed reads, i didnt hardpush you, i didnt try to attack anyone townreading you, hell i didnt even vote you myself

wtf are you having a massive cry about
you write, "attack anyone town reading you"
as if like I attacked Mac for town reading Rondo

we both keep our votes close to our chests, so its rather irrelevant to say "I didnt even vote you"
you very rarely hard push from what I've seen of both Semi's and finals, especially not this early, unless im just dumb

I mean yes we have both outted reads
tbh it should be as clear as day what I want
yes, i dont hard push early, because i want to give people space

whats your read on me?
I don't know, Im not one that particular tries to find wolves in players like you
nor do I even think I could read you

I dont think you are stilted enough to be wolf!illario, is my best guess
thats fair,

who do you feel more comfortable in trying to read in this PL?
do you have a take on any of tilgs posts so far?

the same thing I meant with you bringing me up, more or less
a certain awareness?
Wolf!Tilga won against Town!Illario in our last game, and here you're showing... that perspective? I dunno how to put this in words well, but maybe a hesitation to make a direct read? a more circumspect approach?
not sure that really grasps what I'm trying to say, but yeah. something like that

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:20 am
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:19 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:57 am
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:50 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:41 am
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:36 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:27 am

hmm ok, cause it seemed like you said if it was the "latter" in regards to it being a joke vote, that you were curious about what their thoughts were on your alignment and not if the vote was genuine lol.

What are your thoughts on Illario bringing you up for a topic of discussion?
Well, yeah. If the vote is genuine, they'd be sussing me and I could ask why. If it's not genuine, it could be anything from no opinion to leaning either way and I could go from there. I did get a response, but not sure what to do with it, so meh

It's not something that happens all too often, and I've gotten enough reads on people based on how they go about reading me that it didn't seem like a bad idea for me either
Ah ok I see. If you don't mind me asking, do you find it easier to read people based on how they read you whether it's town or mafia, or you are indifferent to either one?
I'd say both work, tbh.
Well
Unless I'm just universially townread or something similar
I guess it's more about the reasons and similar things people bring up, since from my PoV, I already know my side, so reading it has less variables than basing reads off of person X reading person Y
yea fair fair.

Any thoughts on anyone who has read/attempted to read you so far?

What are ur thoughts on Neon?
illario did bring me up twice somewhat indirectly, and considering our experience with each other, that's probably more town indicative than not and that's basically it

i dunno tbh. I can't really tell if they're just messing around/naturally fluffy or sharing their thoughts on the game in one way or another >.>
Por que no Los dos?

alright, fair, I should have just google translated that the first time around, lol

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:14 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:09 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:08 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:00 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:59 amI'm bored.
do you have the solve?
I have a solve.
Drop it like it's hot.
I did

You and Tilg are scum

I was gonna say that it's You SPF and Alison because I'm toxic but i don't actually believe that.

why?

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:59 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:50 am Well, if it's the case of others being townie of Mill from ur pov, I would wait and see how he continues to post and give him space as the game goes on. I know that as mafia, he is capable of posting his way out of trouble and isn't the type to resort to "not posting."

Which other names were mixed in with Mill that you tr over him?
I wish you quoted the fixed one. Hopefully I can fix it now and here.

Your name, mostly. Millium actually posts a lot, and he seems like someone who will keep doing that, but the content including saying he should not post pings me for some reason. Like he is present but could be more present content wise. If that makes sense. I do look forward to his contribution when he returns.

IIRC, the only one who put aro/milly together was illario, and he explained at some point it's for more or less unrelated reasons? (I.e., not hard calling them T/W)

if you look outside of those two, who would you want to solve/do you have any other reads?

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:57 am
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:50 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:41 am
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:36 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:27 am
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:22 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:14 am

ok @ilario , this post actually pings me a bit from Tilg tbh. Shoutout to Guillo for this, but these types of questionings about a "joke vote" on oneself is rand >mafia especially when they wanted an "elaboration" on the joke vote.
Hey, Illario had been asking people about me. Just thought I might add some to that and make myself a topic, it sounds amusing

That said, I don't think I was asking about an elaboration in case it was a joke vote, but an opinion in general, if that makes a difference for you
hmm ok, cause it seemed like you said if it was the "latter" in regards to it being a joke vote, that you were curious about what their thoughts were on your alignment and not if the vote was genuine lol.

What are your thoughts on Illario bringing you up for a topic of discussion?
Well, yeah. If the vote is genuine, they'd be sussing me and I could ask why. If it's not genuine, it could be anything from no opinion to leaning either way and I could go from there. I did get a response, but not sure what to do with it, so meh

It's not something that happens all too often, and I've gotten enough reads on people based on how they go about reading me that it didn't seem like a bad idea for me either
Ah ok I see. If you don't mind me asking, do you find it easier to read people based on how they read you whether it's town or mafia, or you are indifferent to either one?
I'd say both work, tbh.
Well
Unless I'm just universially townread or something similar
I guess it's more about the reasons and similar things people bring up, since from my PoV, I already know my side, so reading it has less variables than basing reads off of person X reading person Y
yea fair fair.

Any thoughts on anyone who has read/attempted to read you so far?

What are ur thoughts on Neon?

illario did bring me up twice somewhat indirectly, and considering our experience with each other, that's probably more town indicative than not and that's basically it

i dunno tbh. I can't really tell if they're just messing around/naturally fluffy or sharing their thoughts on the game in one way or another >.>

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:51 am
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:50 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:46 am
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arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:34 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:33 am i change my mind about ilario being town tbh. mac takes his spot in my current towncore
what made you change your mind on Ilario?

Also, I'd like ur thoughts on my recent "list of townies" with varying confidences.
i thought he had a strong start but then he had kind of a weird sequence of posts where he:

1. townread me weirdly quickly

2. posted a read on ender i thought was kind of meh because it wasnt really informative (ie: "i think ender is fine so far apart from these things that Werent Fine")

3. a townread on belzdy w/out explanation

4. him dropping his wolfread on you kind of weirdly quickly after u all started engaging with me

there's nothing super wrong with any of these posts, just dont see much evidence of scumhunting in them and think ilario could be just playing to pocket ppl and that i cleared him too easily

ur townread on mac is fine and i agree

ur townread on illario i just discussed

ur townread on nook is fine and i agree

dont really have a read on wisp yet but he hasn't actively pinged me so i suppose that's something

dont have a read on ender yet

think that rondo sounds nearly identical to the king of the hill mafia game we just played so without looking into his meta further i think he's town
u did the thing
wat's The Thing
i tr you immediately and then u sus me for it
hmmmm yeah ur not wrong but at least i have other reasons this time. it wasnt just ur townread on me but a combination of u giving out a bunch of townreads really easily without much explanation

To be fair, I think illario did this in our last/only game too?
I was a wolf there, so take it with a grain of salt, but I do remember illario giving a fair amount of townreads in general

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:41 am
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:36 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:27 am
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:22 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:14 am
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:43 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:38 am

[VOTE: Tilgarial] aubergine
Can't tell if this is a genuine vote or a joke vote
If it's something along the lines of the latter, do you have any thoughts on my alignment?
ok @ilario , this post actually pings me a bit from Tilg tbh. Shoutout to Guillo for this, but these types of questionings about a "joke vote" on oneself is rand >mafia especially when they wanted an "elaboration" on the joke vote.
Hey, Illario had been asking people about me. Just thought I might add some to that and make myself a topic, it sounds amusing

That said, I don't think I was asking about an elaboration in case it was a joke vote, but an opinion in general, if that makes a difference for you
hmm ok, cause it seemed like you said if it was the "latter" in regards to it being a joke vote, that you were curious about what their thoughts were on your alignment and not if the vote was genuine lol.

What are your thoughts on Illario bringing you up for a topic of discussion?
Well, yeah. If the vote is genuine, they'd be sussing me and I could ask why. If it's not genuine, it could be anything from no opinion to leaning either way and I could go from there. I did get a response, but not sure what to do with it, so meh

It's not something that happens all too often, and I've gotten enough reads on people based on how they go about reading me that it didn't seem like a bad idea for me either
Ah ok I see. If you don't mind me asking, do you find it easier to read people based on how they read you whether it's town or mafia, or you are indifferent to either one?

I'd say both work, tbh.
Well
Unless I'm just universially townread or something similar
I guess it's more about the reasons and similar things people bring up, since from my PoV, I already know my side, so reading it has less variables than basing reads off of person X reading person Y

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:27 am
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:22 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:14 am
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:43 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:38 am
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:43 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:37 am actually

[VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine
you know what, why not

[VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine

[VOTE: Tilgarial] aubergine
Can't tell if this is a genuine vote or a joke vote
If it's something along the lines of the latter, do you have any thoughts on my alignment?
ok @ilario , this post actually pings me a bit from Tilg tbh. Shoutout to Guillo for this, but these types of questionings about a "joke vote" on oneself is rand >mafia especially when they wanted an "elaboration" on the joke vote.
Hey, Illario had been asking people about me. Just thought I might add some to that and make myself a topic, it sounds amusing

That said, I don't think I was asking about an elaboration in case it was a joke vote, but an opinion in general, if that makes a difference for you
hmm ok, cause it seemed like you said if it was the "latter" in regards to it being a joke vote, that you were curious about what their thoughts were on your alignment and not if the vote was genuine lol.

What are your thoughts on Illario bringing you up for a topic of discussion?

Well, yeah. If the vote is genuine, they'd be sussing me and I could ask why. If it's not genuine, it could be anything from no opinion to leaning either way and I could go from there. I did get a response, but not sure what to do with it, so meh

It's not something that happens all too often, and I've gotten enough reads on people based on how they go about reading me that it didn't seem like a bad idea for me either

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:14 am
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:43 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:38 am
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:43 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:37 am actually

[VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine
you know what, why not

[VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine

[VOTE: Tilgarial] aubergine
Can't tell if this is a genuine vote or a joke vote
If it's something along the lines of the latter, do you have any thoughts on my alignment?
ok @ilario , this post actually pings me a bit from Tilg tbh. Shoutout to Guillo for this, but these types of questionings about a "joke vote" on oneself is rand >mafia especially when they wanted an "elaboration" on the joke vote.

Hey, Illario had been asking people about me. Just thought I might add some to that and make myself a topic, it sounds amusing

That said, I don't think I was asking about an elaboration in case it was a joke vote, but an opinion in general, if that makes a difference for you

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:01 am Not sure if he explained it further afterwards, so I need to re-look at some stuff.

Don't think I did, but it was basically about a post where somebody handed you an easy out to some sus point or the other, and you threw it away in favour of explaining a misunderstanding in regards to your word choice

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:38 am
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:43 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:37 am actually

[VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine
you know what, why not

[VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine

[VOTE: Tilgarial] aubergine

Can't tell if this is a genuine vote or a joke vote
If it's something along the lines of the latter, do you have any thoughts on my alignment?

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:52 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:49 am i guess that "completing this madden game" is the new slang for "crying and panicking in wolfchat" tbh
You’re actually so wolfy it’s incredible lol.

Just answer me, are you already confbiasing me as mafia? Because you seemed to be solving others already based on the assumption that I am mafia which is something I don’t believe how t!spf would evaluate the game this early on in day 1

Who do you think they have been solving based off of you being mafia?

If it's lily, one of the sus points against them was a tr on you, but the sus point was how the read came out/sounded, not it's existence
From my PoV at least

Does that affect your stance here?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:02 am my concern about lily is that her posts so far have awkward energy and the TR on aro felt unnatural

yeh, I mostly agree with this (after being prodded to go specifically looking for it by your vote), so have some townpoints

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