The Syndicate

Mac was one of the few players who scum read Aro...

Who did Likt vote at eod1 before switching to Porscha? If it was Falcon she is basically cleared

You know what
If Nanook and Rondo are both town it would be hilarious, considering both potato but get town read. Mafia will be frustrated to have to NK them tbh

Lmao fuck

Just the link then

This is my solving music tbh

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:07 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:29 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:18 pm I mean here is the thing. It is extremely rare for Boq and SPF to get run up D1. You can complain about how this is classist or whatever but I'm pretty sure if you look at their games you'll find it is objectively true. So now here we are, 4 hours to EOD1, and SPF and Boq are being voted. The votes on them are bad - for instance Lilypetal has admitted to voting SPF because it was "the worst possible vote I could cast here" and Jack voted Boq for "I don't have a great reason for this".

So I am sitting here and I am thinking to myself why the fuck we are nearing EOD and two players who usually receive strong townreads D1 are getting run up for zero reason. Occam's Razor is just that there are nefarious motives at play and boxed in scum feel the need to create chaos in the thread and try to get away with wild pushes.

Candidates for boxed in scum who feel the need to do this to save themselves: Jack and Porscha, who were top wagons and consensus suspects before this round of voting happened.

Candidates for boxed in scum's accomplices: Lilypetal and maybe Creature.

I think it is virtually guaranteed there is one in Jack/Porscha, if not both, and if so then Lilypetal and Creature need to be put under a microscope (Lilypetal especially for that huge reversal on her Porscha read). I will probably just be voting on one of those two and currently I think it's slightly more likely to be Porscha because of her reaction to pressure.
lol
I got mad again just from reading this thanks

I think the % of Lily being town is only strengthened here due to how she is lumped together with three flipped town and was a vulnerable slot during early D1.

I am trying to think out how this affects Spf since I know I am town

I agree with Rondo on the Lily stuff

Like consider why I am in the poe.

There's really no real reason.
Look at Wilgy's reasoning. He is frantically searching for reasons to vote me. "Fuzzy line how town has" is an incredibly scummy phrasing.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:36 pm boq if youre town then help me figure out what's happening in this game tbh

I am being wagoned for silly reasons but it is probably town, since town are more prone to take issue with my playstyle than scum. They will after my flip pretend that I was still so scummy and find another playstyle they dislike and push tbh. Whatever I say is translated to scummy since D1 tbh. I've tried a multitude of approaches tbh. People who tend to just ignore that and death tunnel are often town.

People who are being neutral are scummy

People who start voting me (aro) despite town reading me is scummy

People who loudly declare how clear they are and try to force that narrative are scummy tbh

Like I can't actually believe that Wilgy genuinely believes what they are saying here when I shown several examples when I have had the EXACT same reasoning as town in other games.

The "fuzzy line that a town has" is such a load of absolute nothing

Anyway, I am home. Will read the stuff I have missed, write my reads and then sleep.

Actually that's a load of bs

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:32 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:29 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:46 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:01 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:09 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:15 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:11 am My two yeetables are in Sean.

Neat.
Tell me about Boq.
Boq I'd say is still the 3rd yeetable.

Their reads seem to be very off base and they've done things that I can see coming from a W mindset. HOWEVER, during my spat with them they ended up seeming like a frustrated townie as opposed to a caught wolf.

Like, I still want BoQ yeeted for the oddities I observed, but it's nith the priority.
I will demand vindication if it is revealed that my read on Seanzie is correct tbh
Why? I never implied that the Seanzie read was wrong. I trust you on that one in spite of that having nothing to do with your alignment
Because you called it abnormal and I am being partly suspected because of that read tbh.
Again, the read isn't abnormal, it's the presentation of the read and confidence in it.

It still lacked the fuzzy line that a town has.

Sure.
Declare your wrongness in the thread come tomorrow tbh

arogame123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:49 pm I will aim to be back for EoD.

[VOTE: Boq] aubergine

It is interesting that i went from a strong town read for you to a vote tbh

Hi tbh

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:46 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:01 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:09 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:15 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:11 am My two yeetables are in Sean.

Neat.
Tell me about Boq.
Boq I'd say is still the 3rd yeetable.

Their reads seem to be very off base and they've done things that I can see coming from a W mindset. HOWEVER, during my spat with them they ended up seeming like a frustrated townie as opposed to a caught wolf.

Like, I still want BoQ yeeted for the oddities I observed, but it's nith the priority.
I will demand vindication if it is revealed that my read on Seanzie is correct tbh
Why? I never implied that the Seanzie read was wrong. I trust you on that one in spite of that having nothing to do with your alignment

Because you called it abnormal and I am being partly suspected because of that read tbh.

Also schadenfreude is the most beautiful feeling tbh

arogame123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:05 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:03 pm I don't have much time to play today so if I flip, I flip tbh. Just shows that I was also correct on that I would be the upcoming yeet in this automatic teet cannon.

Hopefully my reads will be respected and that the reads on me are scrutinised.
Why do you care more about knowing you are going to be an “automatic yeet” than to try and stay alive?

I don't have the time to defend myself or solve properly today tbh
I gave it all D1 and D2, yet was shaded for ??? reasons whereas other players slanked. So now I am prioritising irl things (tho I have been on a conference until like now so haven't been able to play regardless) and will post when I have some off time. When I get back home i will crack some beers with friends.

Will develop reads before EOD however

I don't have much time to play today so if I flip, I flip tbh. Just shows that I was also correct on that I would be the upcoming yeet in this automatic teet cannon.

Hopefully my reads will be respected and that the reads on me are scrutinised.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:09 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:15 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:11 am My two yeetables are in Sean.

Neat.
Tell me about Boq.
Boq I'd say is still the 3rd yeetable.

Their reads seem to be very off base and they've done things that I can see coming from a W mindset. HOWEVER, during my spat with them they ended up seeming like a frustrated townie as opposed to a caught wolf.

Like, I still want BoQ yeeted for the oddities I observed, but it's nith the priority.

I will demand vindication if it is revealed that my read on Seanzie is correct tbh

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:55 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:38 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:40 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:22 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:24 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:34 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:29 am Like if you're just being lazy whatever but if you're putting a modicum of effort into the game having me poe is just

Sad
you're just getting drowned out by louder voices
Then people aren't trying hard enough lol, I have an easy iso

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:42 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:29 am Like if you're just being lazy whatever but if you're putting a modicum of effort into the game having me poe is just

Sad
Lmao
This is so wolfy
Skill issue
What townie thing have you done?
I struggle with seeing how this is a real question lol
I am asking you to town case yourself. It is very real
Literally never partnered with alison

I have what like 160 posts it shouldn't be hard to figure this out yourself

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:40 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:22 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:24 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:34 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:29 am Like if you're just being lazy whatever but if you're putting a modicum of effort into the game having me poe is just

Sad
you're just getting drowned out by louder voices
Then people aren't trying hard enough lol, I have an easy iso

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:42 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:29 am Like if you're just being lazy whatever but if you're putting a modicum of effort into the game having me poe is just

Sad
Lmao
This is so wolfy
Skill issue
What townie thing have you done?
I struggle with seeing how this is a real question lol

I am asking you to town case yourself. It is very real

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:24 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:34 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:29 am Like if you're just being lazy whatever but if you're putting a modicum of effort into the game having me poe is just

Sad
you're just getting drowned out by louder voices
Then people aren't trying hard enough lol, I have an easy iso

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:42 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:29 am Like if you're just being lazy whatever but if you're putting a modicum of effort into the game having me poe is just

Sad
Lmao
This is so wolfy
Skill issue

What townie thing have you done?

arogame123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:02 am Ok, so based off the responses I have so far.

I had as town: Aro, Porscha, Seanzie, Wilgy, Rondo

I had as POE: Boq/Nanook/SPF/Lily

List of people and who they disagree with

Porscha: doesn't think Seanzie V

Seanzie: N/A

Wilgy: doesn't think Rondo V and Nanook W

Rondo: N/A

Boq: doesn't think Rondo V

Nanook: doesn't think Seanzie V and Lily W

SPF: doesn't think Seanzie V, and Nanook W

Lily: doesn't think Seanzie V

This is what I got from that exercise.

Main takeaways:

It seems like from both a town and person in POE, they believe Nanook might be town which is a decent look for him.

It seems like 4 people (3 from POE) believe Seanzie may be mafia, so if my POE is right and contains at least 1 mafia, it is also a good look for him.

It seems like from both a town and person in POE, they believe Rondo may be mafia.

Only one person from a POE believes that Lily may be town.

Porscha and Wilgy are untouched from the towns list.

SPF/Boq are untouched from the POE list.

I agree that Seanzie, Porscha, Wilgy are town
I agree that Nanook is w
I don't think Rondo should be towncore
I am currently town reading lily but need to check a thing
I am unsure on the rest

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:10 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:42 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:29 am Like if you're just being lazy whatever but if you're putting a modicum of effort into the game having me poe is just

Sad
Lmao
This is so wolfy
From boq this post specifically makes me happy I am voting him

Why?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:29 am Like if you're just being lazy whatever but if you're putting a modicum of effort into the game having me poe is just

Sad

Lmao
This is so wolfy

But i welcome rumblings of the thread

Boquise dislikes Seanzie wagon tbh

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:01 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:58 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 10:06 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:25 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:58 pm nah, you said that alison does not want her partners to associate with her by open wolfing, and i defended alison even more aggressively than lily did. by those standards, i should be blatantly town from your point of view. is the reason why i'm not because u need to keep me in ur POE to win the game?

also i don't immediately see a reason why it couldn't be W/W but it does feel unpartnered on a surface level
No, it is because I am infinitely more scared of your wolf game and why I tunnelled you in spec chat dvc until your flip, and kept you in null through the whole D1. And how, during this game, even when you have defended me, you have not used this intel you should know and should be affected by when trying to read me :wowee:
how should i be using that intel in this game to get a better read on you?
Using that sort of knowledge helps seeing patterns and understanding a player's general process tbh
i mean tbf, there wasn't really much that happened in our most recent game together that is helping to inform my read on u in this game at all. we barely interacted on d1 of the spec chat invitational, you nullread me without talking about me much at all, and then you died n1. if you had a super hard tunnel on me in the spec chat then it's not something i had particularly strong awareness of since i only briefly vanity searched myself when i died and i didn't read the DVC thoroughly

the only real thing i learned about how you approach me is basically just: "boq is paranoid about SPF when town" but this doesn't tell me anything i couldn't have already guessed

It makes your original question to me rather silly tbh

arogame123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:01 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:01 am I am not super sure that I want to clear people because players who died town read them.

Lucy scum read me and I know I am town tbh
Boq, when u get the chance, could u look at my town and POE list and lmk with who u agree/disagree with on both sides?

If I remember it correctly, I agree with your town except rondo maybd

Also spf I haven't outed a read on you yet today
Why do you assume I have you as scum/poe when I yesterday said I town read you?

I am not super sure that I want to clear people because players who died town read them.

Lucy scum read me and I know I am town tbh

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 10:06 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:25 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:58 pm nah, you said that alison does not want her partners to associate with her by open wolfing, and i defended alison even more aggressively than lily did. by those standards, i should be blatantly town from your point of view. is the reason why i'm not because u need to keep me in ur POE to win the game?

also i don't immediately see a reason why it couldn't be W/W but it does feel unpartnered on a surface level
No, it is because I am infinitely more scared of your wolf game and why I tunnelled you in spec chat dvc until your flip, and kept you in null through the whole D1. And how, during this game, even when you have defended me, you have not used this intel you should know and should be affected by when trying to read me :wowee:
how should i be using that intel in this game to get a better read on you?

Using that sort of knowledge helps seeing patterns and understanding a player's general process tbh

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:58 pm nah, you said that alison does not want her partners to associate with her by open wolfing, and i defended alison even more aggressively than lily did. by those standards, i should be blatantly town from your point of view. is the reason why i'm not because u need to keep me in ur POE to win the game?

also i don't immediately see a reason why it couldn't be W/W but it does feel unpartnered on a surface level

No, it is because I am infinitely more scared of your wolf game and why I tunnelled you in spec chat dvc until your flip, and kept you in null through the whole D1. And how, during this game, even when you have defended me, you have not used this intel you should know and should be affected by when trying to read me :wowee:

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:53 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:53 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:51 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:50 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:48 pm i dont rlly understand why you think lily wouldn't make a post that says "save alison" as mafia

im not even convinced that she's mafia, it just seems to clearly be within her wolfrange
because of the way alison does not want her partners to associate with her by open wolfing
if that's the metric you are using to townread ppl then i should be your strongest townread
no tbh
ok but why not? what's the difference in ur mind?

i am too tired to explain rn in clear words
i think alison would hold you two at different standards
i also think outright stating "save alison" could be regarded as a worse thing

i dont even remember whats really in that post tbh

btw
lily and alison happened in a fight where Alison told Lily to become the slave of Lucy, and vote like Lucy
genuine question: is that a w/w thing

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:51 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:50 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:48 pm i dont rlly understand why you think lily wouldn't make a post that says "save alison" as mafia

im not even convinced that she's mafia, it just seems to clearly be within her wolfrange
because of the way alison does not want her partners to associate with her by open wolfing
if that's the metric you are using to townread ppl then i should be your strongest townread

no tbh

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:50 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:09 pm locktown: Rondo, Aro
town: Porscha
rest
scum: Boq, Alison
lockscum: lily
level 0 red but i really doubt maf kills lily if she was totally off the mark here. these reads are proly >rand accurate

you mean lucy right

i gotta sleep now tbh

i have also just paraphrased the post and looking through my notes tbh

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:48 pm i dont rlly understand why you think lily wouldn't make a post that says "save alison" as mafia

im not even convinced that she's mafia, it just seems to clearly be within her wolfrange

because of the way alison does not want her partners to associate with her by open wolfing

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:35 pm

Seanzie is playing in an extremely limited way. Scum is usually seen casting a wide net so if their preferred misyeet occurs, they are not left with zero reads. However scum CAN play like this and I have seen it happen. I am still leaning to Seanzie being town. Mostly because he is stubbornly informing everyone that he is indeed still in his scum range. It feels like it is coming from a pov where you are irritated that people are looking down on your scum game/clearing you too easily (thus underestimating you) and this is something an actual wolf WANTS town to do. Whereas a town player has a more holistic mindset where this reaction can stem from.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pm unfortunately im starting to think that lilypetal might be mafia

why

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:44 pm also why the townread on lily?

Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:33 pm here are some d1 and d2 notes i made (the relevant ones):
Seanzie voting Alison clears Seanzie if Alison wolf
1811 - save alison pls from lily

I dont think wolf!Lily writes "save alison" tbh

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:44 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:43 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pm I will also say that I think the Neon/DrWilgy slot is town, due to Alison flipping w.

My town is:
Seanzie, DrWilgy, Porscha (I dont think Alison wanted to bus Porscha during D1 when there were other players she could have pushed if they are town, i.e. Nanook, Sparkles. Alison's treatment of Porscha should spew Porscha clear for a long while).

I am also noting that almost every dead town player has been scum reading me which is... yeah, lol. Though that's usually how it goes! Town scum reads me and scum town reads.
why the townread on seanzie? i can kind of understand the other two
his push on me
his reaction for getting town read by me tbh
can u be more specific pls

sorry
just have been writing about it... for the last half of yesterday, and on d2 tbh
i could go find my old post in my iso

i guess lily cheering me on when i began pushing neon and gave me support at my annoyance could be rand>wolf
feels bad tho

will have to recheck post 1811

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pm I will also say that I think the Neon/DrWilgy slot is town, due to Alison flipping w.

My town is:
Seanzie, DrWilgy, Porscha (I dont think Alison wanted to bus Porscha during D1 when there were other players she could have pushed if they are town, i.e. Nanook, Sparkles. Alison's treatment of Porscha should spew Porscha clear for a long while).

I am also noting that almost every dead town player has been scum reading me which is... yeah, lol. Though that's usually how it goes! Town scum reads me and scum town reads.
why the townread on seanzie? i can kind of understand the other two

his push on me
his reaction for getting town read by me tbh

Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pm I will also say that I think the Neon/DrWilgy slot is town, due to Alison flipping w.

My town is:
Seanzie, DrWilgy, Porscha (I dont think Alison wanted to bus Porscha during D1 when there were other players she could have pushed if they are town, i.e. Nanook, Sparkles. Alison's treatment of Porscha should spew Porscha clear for a long while).

I am also noting that almost every dead town player has been scum reading me which is... yeah, lol. Though that's usually how it goes! Town scum reads me and scum town reads.

my town is.
seanzie, drwilgy, porscha, lily*

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:40 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:38 pm i honestly think wolf!Alison would be pissed if a slanker wolf slot (Nanook/Rondo) would vote her there tbh
on d1 maybe yeah, but i also think she would consider bussing her to be mandatory on d2 - onward

Yeah that I agree with tbh

I will also say that I think the Neon/DrWilgy slot is town, due to Alison flipping w.

My town is:
Seanzie, DrWilgy, Porscha (I dont think Alison wanted to bus Porscha during D1 when there were other players she could have pushed if they are town, i.e. Nanook, Sparkles. Alison's treatment of Porscha should spew Porscha clear for a long while).

I am also noting that almost every dead town player has been scum reading me which is... yeah, lol. Though that's usually how it goes! Town scum reads me and scum town reads.

i honestly think wolf!Alison would be pissed if a slanker wolf slot (Nanook/Rondo) would vote her there tbh

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