The Syndicate

can confirm sabi would've died ages ago if they were a snail

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:00 am Sabi is playing with plenty of salt. Anyone know whether this is AI?

it's not

also @Sabiplz are you using she/her pronouns too?

one last thing, @Scotty what's your current read on me?

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:49 am I don't know what you mean, exactly. I feel bad that Wilgy doesn't get to play the game he signed up. That's kinda it.

thanks

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:41 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:38 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:37 am I think I've noticed a pattern--Older players would rather have a civ alive and no info, newer players would rather elim a civ and get the info. I've now successfully read all of you and expect praise. (I realize this is a surface level analysis, but I felt cool when I thought it and now I want to share.)
which side of the fence do you fall on?
That's an excellent question. I'm still struggling with it myself, but I find myself wishing I hadn't killed Wilgy. Honestly, it's the guilt that gets me. That and we could've just lost a very high reputation civvie. So I think I'm with the older players, and THAT is probably because I was raised by one of the older players and somewhere in there I was taught 'killing people is bad'. So, I would probably have Wilgy alive still.

can you elaborate on the feeling of guilt

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:37 am I think I've noticed a pattern--Older players would rather have a civ alive and no info, newer players would rather elim a civ and get the info. I've now successfully read all of you and expect praise. (I realize this is a surface level analysis, but I felt cool when I thought it and now I want to share.)

which side of the fence do you fall on?

I'm gonna sleep, I'm tired, cya guys tomorrow, the thread feels productive

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:34 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:31 am
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:30 am Scotty’s vote is so manufactured that it’ll still be floating in the Pacific garbage island 2000 years from now.
agreed on scotty playing poorly, but I don't think that's wolf indicative
Ouch!

This is a bit rough. Strikes me as wolfy for a few reasons, but if its actually town I think it’s more about confo bias from anniversary than anything.

can you elaborate on how you find scotty to be wolfy

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:30 am Scotty’s vote is so manufactured that it’ll still be floating in the Pacific garbage island 2000 years from now.

agreed on scotty playing poorly, but I don't think that's wolf indicative

I don't like the golden votes, would much rather kill an inactive or seanzie today, even though I don't really have a read on golden besides they're an active participant of this game

per game*

like I can read a few words or a single message and just *know* the alignment of someone, and I am never wrong in it, happens once per game for me and it happens very easily when I'm dealing with new players such as yourself which doesn't count towards my 1 wolf per day quota

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:17 am I don't like your logic because of he fact that he can make his own decision, and he doesn't need to be coached and he can independently act instinctively, though it would be hard for a first time mafia player to do so. I just disagree with the importance of being the last vote on a civilian and I dislike the fact that you're not considering worlds where seanzie is town and optically Dennis looks the exact same no matter where he votes. So I have not and will not clear him for such stuff as voting a town there

similarly there's a world where seanzie is scum and Dennis outted himself (very unlikely but possible), but I'm not really considering this whatsoever, just wanna say it because it's actually possible

I personally have coldread Dennis on multiple occasions and he's locktown for me, regardless of eod except in the aforementioned world

I do think this is unlikely though after thinking about it, which makes Dennis/seanzie never w/w

I don't like your logic because of he fact that he can make his own decision, and he doesn't need to be coached and he can independently act instinctively, though it would be hard for a first time mafia player to do so. I just disagree with the importance of being the last vote on a civilian and I dislike the fact that you're not considering worlds where seanzie is town and optically Dennis looks the exact same no matter where he votes. So I have not and will not clear him for such stuff as voting a town there

similarly there's a world where seanzie is scum and Dennis outted himself (very unlikely but possible), but I'm not really considering this whatsoever, just wanna say it because it's actually possible

I personally have coldread Dennis on multiple occasions and he's locktown for me, regardless of eod except in the aforementioned world

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:59 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:58 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:55 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:48 pm @Kate can you post the full screenshot of votes

also Dennis is my top town, do you think he could be scum, Kate?
I doubt it, I don't think a team would have let him do that. I think he panicked.
let him do what?
Voted to push a civ over the edge.

this has the underlying assumption that seanzie is mafia, what's your read on seanzie and degree of confidence

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:55 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:48 pm @Kate can you post the full screenshot of votes

also Dennis is my top town, do you think he could be scum, Kate?
I doubt it, I don't think a team would have let him do that. I think he panicked.

let him do what?

what about seanzie voters

@Kate can you post the full screenshot of votes

also Dennis is my top town, do you think he could be scum, Kate?

but I'm not certain, I just know it was strange how easily wigly went over

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:23 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:08 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:21 pm I hopped on the Wilgy train because I thought we needed a kill to move on, and I felt like I was essentially the tiebreaker. Although, as I was looking back through the night, Seanzie def would've been the call. Kinda crumpled under the pressure.

Can all other Wilgy voters please explain why they voted Wilgy?
Here you go. Golden and Lucy, I'd like to hear from you two.

2 wagons was optimal for eod1 analysis, I didn't expect wigly to go over, so it was probably a save

voted wigly for wagon purposes

seanzie is in his town meta

i might vite wigly in a sec

bea
0
No votes
Voters: None
Dennis
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
2
12%
Voters: Marmot, Golden
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
fingersplints
1
6%
Voters: bea
Golden
1
6%
Voters: Seanzie
jack shepherd
0
No votes
Voters: None
Kate
0
No votes
Voters: None
lucy
1
6%
Voters: S~V~S
Marmot
0
No votes
Voters: None
Matahari
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sabiplz
1
6%
Voters: Dennis
Scotty
1
6%
Voters: lucy
Seanzie
5
29%
Voters: Kate, DrWilgy, jack shepherd, Sabiplz, Scotty
Soneji
1
6%
Voters: falcon45ca

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:51 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:48 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:46 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:45 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:42 pm Beas first post was high-effort, don’t think she’s a good counterwagon.
that's funny because I mafia read that post
Do you know bea?
I do not
The post isn’t AI in my view. But it is high-effort, I can see the amount of bea-energy that went into it. I’d not be willing to counterwagon her on ‘low poster’ basis.

ah, ty

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:49 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:37 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:30 pm o you think this is a thing that should be taken into account regarding suspicions?
do you believe it explains my hyper fixation? or anything else about me? if yes then you should adjust your mental model of me, which therefore changes your read, but don't entirely drop read on me, simply see my actions from a different mindset that only you can create of mine. until then all I can do is talk more about the game which gives you more information in building a thought process that I follow
Are you actually falling back on that? Do you do that every game? I doubt it.

The only reason I reminded Golden was that he was trying to guilt me out over suspecting you, and I was fairly sure why. You think that's why I shouldn't suspect you? You think we should be able to do things that people find suspicious and fall back on this? I am disappoint.

I am leaving my vote where it is. I will not vote for you again unless it is a group consensus, or question you, for that matter.

Have a good evening

not every game, but I've had it once with seanzie, furthermore I'm not falling back on it at all what the hell you talking about? I've told you to consider that but to keep the read, how in the fuck is that "falling back"???? why are you engaging in blatant bad faith with everything I've said and done

no of course not, I literally told you to "not drop the read" why are you acting like I said something different

also have a good evening and read my other posts, I don't think you're understanding me well at all right now

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:46 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:45 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:42 pm Beas first post was high-effort, don’t think she’s a good counterwagon.
that's funny because I mafia read that post
Do you know bea?

I do not

bea wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:32 pm That was a long 15 pages u just crammed into my brainz in like 2.5 hours.

So sorry for my absense. I did indeed miss that a) the game had started or b) i was actually playing! thanks again for the heads up!

As would be expected, I lost my day off yesterday and my open today has turned into an O/C so I will do my best to participate as best i can - just know my work is both physically and mentally exausting. And also apparently life consuming.

As for what I do remember -

Lots of inactive - myself included.

I saw exactly where svs was coming from. Tbh untill very recently in the thread I was proably going to vote sean. I am willing to see though that I may have just had a harder time seeing where he was coming from as this is my first game with sean.

My strongest town reads are shockingly - svs and kate. I know everyone is suprised by this.

Golden feels different this time round than last. I like that - doesnt mean he is clear yet.

Similarly - scotty feels similar to early last game - i like that too. Doesnt mean he is clear yet.

I like that roxy pushed golden some. I like that she called out splintsy and I.

Mata is engaging and that is so wonderful! Glad to see you again lady!!!

Jack and dennis are fun addutions. Welcome gentlemen!

Marrmot is bring very marrmoty. Excpected. I fear him. Gonna take some time before I think I could trust him.

Honestly not sure about most everyone. Which sucks as I have to vote before my dinner break is over in like 30 odd minutes.

I hate when rl makes me this lame. 2 games in a row is super frustrating.

2 reads, svs and Kate, there's 0 other substance to this post, how is it high effort or substantive?

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:42 pm Beas first post was high-effort, don’t think she’s a good counterwagon.

that's funny because I mafia read that post

bea/sonej/fingersplits are good counterwagons, 1-2 posters

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:30 pm o you think this is a thing that should be taken into account regarding suspicions?

do you believe it explains my hyper fixation? or anything else about me? if yes then you should adjust your mental model of me, which therefore changes your read, but don't entirely drop read on me, simply see my actions from a different mindset that only you can create of mine. until then all I can do is talk more about the game which gives you more information in building a thought process that I follow

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:30 pm Do you think this is a thing that should be taken into account regarding suspicions?

Also, again, if not you who should I vote for?

changed my answer, sabi because two wagons are better than one at eod, unless you wanna build a wagon, which I'm not opposed to, I just don't have a great idea on who as of now

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:56 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:43 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:44 pm The most pingworthy thing sabi has said on day one is that she thinks Wild Dennis should have a take on her on day one when they haven’t met before.
How was it pingy? Dennis hasn't played or met anyone except family members. He had a read on marmot but not me and atp in the game marmot barely had content.

So explain
He knows me, but it's some time since I've seen him IRL. I follow him on Facebook. I've known him since he was about 18 months old or so.

this is very relevant information, what do you think about Kate being indifferent to me, and you SRing me?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:29 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:20 pm scotty can u link me 2 mafia games of yours
hmm, someone asked me this recently and i had to dig.
Most recent?

effing ancient

ty

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:24 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:17 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

just seeing how this feels
try eating a spoonful of cinnamon instead, you’ll get the same result

will do

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:26 pm Just got off work.

Catching up

how do u like your job

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:24 pmMe too.

*hugs*

you too Marmot

and if I were older I'd definitely have been hit with an Aspergers diagnosis, I've been hit with an autism test when I was 4 and 17, dunno what happened while I was 4 but I got put into special ed until I wiggled out and took 12-14 AP's in hs

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:19 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:58 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:55 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:53 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:20 am I am keeping my vote on Lucy for now, I see no town reason for actively trying to limit the suspicion pool to three people
this is shallow analysis, do you think I was ever limiting my sus pool to 3 people?
I got that feeling when you focused on me/Kate/Jack too. You said something about wanting to understand our situation but it gave me the impression you were ignoring everything else.
oh, I just come off like that, usually people aren't really aware that i'm not constantly hyperfocused on one thing at a time (also this is disputed by my mom and brother lol)
Hey Lucy, feel free to ignore this question if it’s too personal. It’s helpful for me.

You neurodiverse?

bingo

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:08 pm Yes. Certainly, or I would not have posted about it multiple times. I felt it was opportunistic. I felt it was a false flag, trying to make a non suspicios thing seem suspicious, trying to focus suspicion on "not us" which is what mafia have to do in a game with no other baddies or third party.

But right now I am here trying to decide if and where I should move my vote, so again, who else would you have me vote for and why?

well currently the wagons are sabi/seanzie and I'd be down for a seanzie vote for aforementioned reasons

and you totally didn't read or understand my logic whatsoever

also do you disagree with my logic?
1) poke into the family
2) if I judge there's scum between the 3 they'll easily be able to find them, via best reads on one another
3) if they're all town, then I can confidently clear all 3 and form a townblock

like seriously, when did I ever fucking sus them unnecessarily and what is the scum motive?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:10 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:04 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:08 pm Ebwop, the whole thing seems opportunistic in the extreme.
at least this is the reasoning, it's not gonna apply to me at all for the foreseeable future
Now see, this makes you look MORE bad to me, trying to dismiss my concerns as trivial and not thought out. And that is not the case. I am thinking of just leaving the vote where it is, you're not in any danger.

While I appreciate Seanzies vouch, sometimes you need to make up your own mind.

no, you misunderstand me. I'm saying your concerns are actually valid and correct. However I will show you depth of thought and good analysis now, which will make your previously valid concerns inert, sorry it came off like that

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:15 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:17 pm Also all three of you are in 'town range' for me... Dennis is just more 'autumn grass' than 'broccoli'
My list of them also goes Kate > jack > Dennis…
Jack and Dennis are going to be tough unripened apricots to crack. As introductory mafia games go, strategy and meta haven’t been established and what probably looks suspicious in a seasoned player might just be reaching to gain a footing in the game. I’ve been there. I foresee them going quite a ways in the game (unless they get NK’d, which I think is poor form early on) unless something sticks out like a sore thumb.

really?

more town

Dennis
Jack
Kate

more scum

I have a cold read on Dennis, and I have no read on jack, I just expect him to make his alignment obvious soon enough, whereas Kate is opaque and will be the hardest to read (though I have no read there currently, besides seeing that she's a good player)

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:02 pm The family trio, I assume yall all live together?

How are you all playing this? Like are you going into other rooms to read the thread and post just so you don't give away facial expressions?

you make facial expressions when you play? I rarely ever make facial expressions because of mafia

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:34 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:28 pm It didn’t feel like she was just trying to get a read, it was bordering on … I don’t know how to put it, but it didn’t feel like friendly interest. And I understand frustration. But I’ll think about this.

And you know baddies can be frustrated, too.
If it helps, Lucy did something similar to me one time, even to the point where I had a similar reaction to Dennis. I think Lucy was town then. I'd guess it is NAI for her though.

lol, I think twice with you

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:08 pm Ebwop, the whole thing seems opportunistic in the extreme.

at least this is the reasoning, it's not gonna apply to me at all for the foreseeable future

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:59 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:53 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:20 am I am keeping my vote on Lucy for now, I see no town reason for actively trying to limit the suspicion pool to three people
this is shallow analysis, do you think I was ever limiting my sus pool to 3 people?
It seemed that way to me. I don't think it was shallow, I wrote about it at much more length in other places.

That did seem to me to be all you were interested in, though. And I could not see a town reason for it, like I said in another post, it felt exactly the same to me as if you mainly wanted to discuss people whose player name began with "S"; it had nothing to do with the thread. Golden gave me the impression that I was rude or uncharitable to you, and I am sorry if that is how I cam across. But it is what I felt.

I kind of still don't see a town reason for it. But i don't know you and perhaps I am judging unfairly.

Where would you have me vote instead, and why?

do you see a mafia reason for it?

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:41 pm I don’t think a vote for Lucy is the way to go today.

how come?

and yes burnout is a thing

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:55 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:53 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:20 am I am keeping my vote on Lucy for now, I see no town reason for actively trying to limit the suspicion pool to three people
this is shallow analysis, do you think I was ever limiting my sus pool to 3 people?
I got that feeling when you focused on me/Kate/Jack too. You said something about wanting to understand our situation but it gave me the impression you were ignoring everything else.

oh, I just come off like that, usually people aren't really aware that i'm not constantly hyperfocused on one thing at a time (also this is disputed by my mom and brother lol)

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:41 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:20 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:52 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:31 pm Pretty dumb and empty reason to wolf read me.

Seanzie sucks at reading me part 69.

Anyway back to work.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:33 pm Quite literally the biggest wagon D1 so far has been 2 votes.

No one exceeded that.

How tf is that not a quiet D1????

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:33 pm Ugh I'm tilted and breaking my no mafia at work rule

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:45 pm 500 post 75% thru day one is definitely quiet ffa
Pretty big reaction to such a "dumb and empty" reason to wolf read you.
Seanzie how many games have you played with me. Is me overreacting to a scum read normal or abnormal for me?

[VOTE: Sabi] aubergine

just for good measure, votin' ya' twice.

seanzie tunneling sabi is town indicative of sabi regardless of seanzie's alignment

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