The Syndicate

abbie feels hollow and her past 15 posts are almost offensive

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 3:22 pm Rupert Mannion - He is the former owner of AFC Richmond and ex-husband of Rebecca. He is known for using his wealth to get what he wants. Each night he’s alive he gains £1. 5 million. The store is only open at night.
- £1 million - kill
- £2.5 million elim save
- £500k protect
- £500k investigate to find out role (3 available)

also i was wondering, does mafia have 2 nk's tonight due to accumulating 2 million tonight

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:24 am Robyn. You can literally read the setup and think of the wackiest thing that could be happen or could be true.

but like, why does jjj hide behind long con after he baits a nk

mommy needs a drink

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:13 am Like I might be trolling but I think a Long Con kill is highly unrealistic and like Rondo, think it points to other things.

such as?

mech wise long con was the real shot, right?

*a shot goes out and RondoDimBuckle is dead*

ah so that’s why i was ignored

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:38 am I'm the towniest town

you’re not

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:37 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:42 am Someone tell me why Michelle is town.

Someone tell me why vigi didn't end Michelle night 1

ask vig lol

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:26 am

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:24 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:22 am

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:16 am besides michelle do you have any sr's

Not concretely. I have vague suspicions, like of S~V~S, that I could not as clearly describe. Others are hard null.

I might scum read Rondo. But I might also take your advice and ignore for the time being.

cape/rondo/bereft/me

my towncore

you can't disagree with any name here.

I bet I could

who? why?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:22 am

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:12 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:11 am I was very serious about suspecting Michelle and am a bit irked that folks hardly engaged. Her reads did not look real, and that has been the common theme every time I have seen her as mafia.

what do you think about me hard pushing the chop away from her if she does flip red?

also i am expecting her to towntell today and i'm conscious of the fact that she's been pocket-y towards me

If I call you town this game will I cry post game

you cried post game bc of misreading me?

need to put sloonei under indentured servitude to make iso links

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:11 am

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:09 am don’t look at me, i’m only good in the late game

I'm only good at LYLO. And thats assuming I don't get insta-voted off. And assuming I don't do any other number of things that I often bungle.

that’s not true, but this is something for me to explain in dms after the game ends

don’t look at me, i’m only good in the late game

she’s not posting like her wolf team got jjj’ed

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:42 am Ted Lasso Day 2 may be my personal record for "hardest solving ever in a day phase". I dunno for sure, but I have never gone this deep.

i’m in awe + if ur a wolf you deserve the chop today

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:30 am

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:23 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:18 am This discussion has me fantasizing over being mafia. Maybe even before the recent Michelle-induced turn, probably.

btw right now is when you turn up and continue solving before you write posts like "i realized something was wrong a few cycles ago, fuck"

Does it help if I say that I can't tell whether anything is wrong right now? The current proposal is that the team is a bunch of low-activity-ers, plus possibly Michelle/Scotty.

I'm not going to promise concentration over extended periods of time.

i believe there's a 99% chance jjj is town and is right, i also can't tell if there's anything wrong. but in general, in most circumstances, you pull a rondo here

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:18 am This discussion has me fantasizing over being mafia. Maybe even before the recent Michelle-induced turn, probably.

btw right now is when you turn up and continue solving before you write posts like "i realized something was wrong a few cycles ago, fuck"

game doesn't matter

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:16 am Can you link me a game where you were mafia making that table?

he can and has

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:12 am

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:10 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:07 am [LoRab, ts account, S~V~S, Abigail] - all mutually yellow except for S~V~S/Abigail

[Michelle, LoRab, S~V~S, Abigail] - all mutually yellow except for S~V~S/Abigail

[Michelle, ts account, Abigail, S~V~S] - all mutually yellow except for S~V~S/Abigail

i suspect it's one of these, abbie and svs are solid players

I could certainly see it. The S~V~S/Abigail dissociation is mostly "Abigail TMI'd S~V~S", but I wouldn't be floored if that was deliberate.

tmi or townreading a wolfmate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:10 am Thanks robyn and Bereft, truly. You've made an extremely difficult task plausible, and who knows -- maybe that's the extra leg that pushes town over the line.

gpt4 is fucking awful at writing but it's occasionally helpful

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:07 am [LoRab, ts account, S~V~S, Abigail] - all mutually yellow except for S~V~S/Abigail

[Michelle, LoRab, S~V~S, Abigail] - all mutually yellow except for S~V~S/Abigail

[Michelle, ts account, Abigail, S~V~S] - all mutually yellow except for S~V~S/Abigail

i suspect it's one of these, abbie and svs are solid players

Here are all 35 possible combinations of four names from the set {Michelle, LoRab, ts account, SVS, Abigail, Scotty, Thunal}, including combinations where Scotty and SVS can be on the same team:

Thunal, Scotty, Michelle, SVS
Thunal, Scotty, Michelle, Abigail
Thunal, Scotty, Michelle, LoRab
Thunal, Scotty, Michelle, ts account
Thunal, Scotty, SVS, Abigail
Thunal, Scotty, SVS, LoRab
Thunal, Scotty, SVS, ts account
Thunal, Scotty, Abigail, LoRab
Thunal, Scotty, Abigail, ts account
Thunal, Scotty, LoRab, ts account
Thunal, Michelle, SVS, Abigail
Thunal, Michelle, SVS, LoRab
Thunal, Michelle, SVS, ts account
Thunal, Michelle, Abigail, LoRab
Thunal, Michelle, Abigail, ts account
Thunal, Michelle, LoRab, ts account
Thunal, SVS, Abigail, LoRab
Thunal, SVS, Abigail, ts account
Thunal, SVS, LoRab, ts account
Thunal, Abigail, LoRab, ts account
Scotty, Michelle, SVS, Abigail
Scotty, Michelle, SVS, LoRab
Scotty, Michelle, SVS, ts account
Scotty, Michelle, Abigail, LoRab
Scotty, Michelle, Abigail, ts account
Scotty, Michelle, LoRab, ts account
Scotty, SVS, Abigail, LoRab
Scotty, SVS, Abigail, ts account
Scotty, SVS, LoRab, ts account
Scotty, Abigail, LoRab, ts account
Michelle, SVS, Abigail, LoRab
Michelle, SVS, Abigail, ts account
Michelle, SVS, LoRab, ts account
Michelle, Abigail, LoRab, ts account
SVS, Abigail, LoRab, ts account

There are 25 possible combinations of four names from the set {Michelle, LoRab, ts account, SVS, Abigail, Scotty, Thunal} without including both Scotty and SVS on the same team:

Thunal, Scotty, Michelle, Abigail
Thunal, Scotty, Michelle, LoRab
Thunal, Scotty, Michelle, ts account
Thunal, Scotty, Abigail, LoRab
Thunal, Scotty, Abigail, ts account
Thunal, Scotty, LoRab, ts account
Thunal, Michelle, SVS, Abigail
Thunal, Michelle, SVS, LoRab
Thunal, Michelle, SVS, ts account
Thunal, Michelle, Abigail, LoRab
Thunal, Michelle, Abigail, ts account
Thunal, Michelle, LoRab, ts account
Thunal, SVS, Abigail, LoRab
Thunal, SVS, Abigail, ts account
Thunal, SVS, LoRab, ts account
Thunal, Abigail, LoRab, ts account
Scotty, Michelle, Abigail, LoRab
Scotty, Michelle, Abigail, ts account
Scotty, Michelle, LoRab, ts account
Scotty, Abigail, LoRab, ts account
Michelle, SVS, Abigail, LoRab
Michelle, SVS, Abigail, ts account
Michelle, SVS, LoRab, ts account
Michelle, Abigail, LoRab, ts account
SVS, Abigail, LoRab, ts account

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:04 am

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:03 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:01 am Pray for me if I add Thunal. 15 full combinations becomes 35.

gpt4 gives 25 not 35

Also known as why we dont use gpt4.

u wanna do it instead?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:01 am Pray for me if I add Thunal. 15 full combinations becomes 35.

gpt4 gives 25 not 35

Michelle, Abigail, LoRab, ts account
Michelle, SVS, Abigail, LoRab
Michelle, SVS, Abigail, ts account
Michelle, SVS, LoRab, ts account
Scotty, Abigail, LoRab, ts account
Scotty, Michelle, Abigail, LoRab
Scotty, Michelle, Abigail, ts account
Scotty, Michelle, LoRab, ts account
SVS, Abigail, LoRab, ts account

(this is right)
(used gpt4)

Abigail, LoRab, Michelle, SVS
Abigail, LoRab, Scotty, Michelle
Abigail, LoRab, Scotty, ts account
Abigail, LoRab, ts account, Michelle
Abigail, LoRab, ts account, SVS
Abigail, Scotty, ts account, Michelle
Abigail, ts account, Michelle, SVS
LoRab, Scotty, ts account, Michelle
LoRab, ts account, Abigail, Michelle
LoRab, ts account, Michelle, SVS

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:54 am Ya know, its just 6C2 - 4C2 = 9 possibilities.

do it for jjj, i command u

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:49 amGood 'eve.

i know you're pro child labor and all so i'm gonna ask u to verify the logic of jjj's walls, every single one, check the logical validity and etc

doesn't have to be right now but you have nothing better to do

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:40 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:08 am

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:02 am jay, what’s the chop order

Great question. My mindset is more "who's right for today?" instead of "who goes first then second then third...?"

If I attempt the latter question though, I'm thinking something like...

Michelle (fits on most of my viable teams) > LoRab (fits on most of my viable teams) > ts account (fits on most of my viable teams, but Seanzie 2.0 is scary) > S~V~S/Scotty (need to sort difference check)

Subject to change

I have to read a lot but until then can you tell me about fitting me with your viable teams?

he posted everything, just read

@Bereft you up?

jay, what’s the chop order

wowee i scared jjj off

for the past week or so this girl has been flirting with me, genuinely trying to make me feel special and appeal to me and etc etc. and i just don't feel anything, she was very confused too because for her it never ever fails and people always love her immediately. so on and so fourth, due to my extensive flirting with guys and the fact that i easily feel something when flirting or getting compliments etc etc i have started to think that maybe i'm just gay (as i have been considering). i've also never felt the impulse to flirt with a girl which is strange in and of itself. etc etc i might actually be gay

wowee ur bored

anyway storytime

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 12:09 am I understand if anyone is uneasy about a theory that suggests the mafia team are making almost zero posts as a group today, but that's where my work lands me. I kind of felt it on Day 1 too, though perhaps I directed my inactivity ire at the wrong slot(s).

the only thing preventing me from literally bouncing off the walls like a rabid animal is the fact that i know [cape, rondo, bereft] are town and wigly/monroe are also probably town

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:57 pm There is a reasonable precedent established on The Syndicate for mafia cursers to target their own members. It's an old tradition (and cursing roles themselves are kind of an old tradition). I think it's barely a mechanical credit to Scotty that he was targeted, but not clearing.

The better question is probably what is Scotty doing with his condition? I appreciate that he is at least trying to be coherent within his limitations.

i don't buy it, tradition is fucking useless when you have town robyn/bereft/jjj carving up the thread

i believe him being targeted by scum simply clears him, furthermore scum is smart to use that ability n1 due to the fact scotty probably doesn't live to see lylo

feel free to disagree but i'm gonna run with it

also second question, according to your solve d2 has been extraordinarily towny, do you have that vibe? does instinct agree?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:54 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:52 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:51 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:45 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:42 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:37 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:35 pm

why?

i gave 0 reasoning, you bought my confidence, you've also been referring to your own cape read as sheeping me

One reason was your turnaround between your read on Cape day 1 and your read on Cape day 2.

I also found the read believable myself and thought Cape had towny moments.

but why did you phrase it as sheeping my read, when you are clearly analytical and need reasons for everything, and would have 0 trouble producing good reasons as either alignment

what's your read on scotty rn

I'd rather talk about something else.

I scumlean Scotty. I feel like he spent a lot of his time trying to appease SVS and there were a couple reads that felt forced from him.

mechanically if targeted by mafia he's town, no?

why do you wanna talk about something else?

He could curse himself or fake having it. I've actually done it myself in The Emperor's Soul where I had a self-imposed postcap.

what cycle did you do it in

also svs stands at serious risk of being hard tunneled by scotty this cycle, no?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:54 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:55 pm If there are mafia concentrated in [LoRab, Michelle, S~V~S] then perhaps there is room to ask questions.

No, you see, that's the beauty of it. Its not going to hold water over here on the Syndicate, and I will not pretend anyone cares, but I have to brag. But A. There is mafia concentrated there probably. B. I don't actually defend my teammates as mafia, definitely never multiple. As robyn said, schweppes (as w) is one of the best town players in existence.

@robyn would you agree that Bereft is highly unlikely to stand in defense of one or more mafia teammates?

he'd be first in line to bludgeon them

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:51 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:45 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:42 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:37 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:35 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:33 pm I'm usually not but I feel good about that specific read.

why?

i gave 0 reasoning, you bought my confidence, you've also been referring to your own cape read as sheeping me

One reason was your turnaround between your read on Cape day 1 and your read on Cape day 2.

I also found the read believable myself and thought Cape had towny moments.

but why did you phrase it as sheeping my read, when you are clearly analytical and need reasons for everything, and would have 0 trouble producing good reasons as either alignment

what's your read on scotty rn

I'd rather talk about something else.

I scumlean Scotty. I feel like he spent a lot of his time trying to appease SVS and there were a couple reads that felt forced from him.

mechanically if targeted by mafia he's town, no?

why do you wanna talk about something else?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:42 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:37 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:35 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:33 pm I'm usually not but I feel good about that specific read.

why?

i gave 0 reasoning, you bought my confidence, you've also been referring to your own cape read as sheeping me

One reason was your turnaround between your read on Cape day 1 and your read on Cape day 2.

I also found the read believable myself and thought Cape had towny moments.

but why did you phrase it as sheeping my read, when you are clearly analytical and need reasons for everything, and would have 0 trouble producing good reasons as either alignment

what's your read on scotty rn

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:35 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:33 pm I'm usually not but I feel good about that specific read.

why?

i gave 0 reasoning, you bought my confidence, you've also been referring to your own cape read as sheeping me

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:33 pm I'm usually not but I feel good about that specific read.

why?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:26 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:16 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:08 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:57 pm I ask this because I had an impression JJJ wasn't that good as mafia for awhile. I saw him get caught in a couple games as a spectator (i think this was a couple years ago) and that influenced my view, but then I looked at some more recent games and now I don't have that impression.

So depending on the game/experience, I could see someone else having the same impression.

I think it's evident at least that Michelle doesn't feel that way given her commentary about me. I dunno what game you saw, but if Philosophy 2 was one of them, I am sure I looked like crap.

I think it might have been, lol.

Also 2020/2021 Thunal was extremely competitive and I liked to look for weaknesses in people that often weren't there. I'm still competitive but I'm better able to separate the game from real life.

you strike me as extremely laid back here, i haven't figured out how to interact with you tbh

why do you buy my confidence on cape? and why am i your top town?

Even though I'm having fun and not stressed now, I always care about winning lol.

There's a lot of reasons. It started d1 with some in the thread thoughts I thought were almost unfakeable from a mindset POV. Today I doubled down on that read because I really liked how you engaged with Rondo and confidently promoted your townreads.

You were extremely confident on Cape so I believe you have good reasons for that read.

you don't strike me as the type to sheep overly confident players regardless of whether they're town or not, your entire aura is like "i don't follow appeal to authority" and that is literally exactly what i'm doing

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:24 pm I am a little paranoid about how Michelle's been fixating on you today and my townread there isn't as strong as it was SoD.

why has your tr on jjj lessened

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:08 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:57 pm I ask this because I had an impression JJJ wasn't that good as mafia for awhile. I saw him get caught in a couple games as a spectator (i think this was a couple years ago) and that influenced my view, but then I looked at some more recent games and now I don't have that impression.

So depending on the game/experience, I could see someone else having the same impression.

I think it's evident at least that Michelle doesn't feel that way given her commentary about me. I dunno what game you saw, but if Philosophy 2 was one of them, I am sure I looked like crap.

I think it might have been, lol.

Also 2020/2021 Thunal was extremely competitive and I liked to look for weaknesses in people that often weren't there. I'm still competitive but I'm better able to separate the game from real life.

you strike me as extremely laid back here, i haven't figured out how to interact with you tbh

why do you buy my confidence on cape? and why am i your top town?

jfc jjj has 400 posts