The Syndicate

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:14 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:12 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:09 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:09 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:06 pm The NKs don't really matter too much to me as much as the fact that you or others want to see how much social pressure, lying town and appeals to emotion I can endure before being led to the wrong track.
The last two phases I didn't really see through enough but at the current gamestate I cannot not want to eliminate you.

no, you should care about the NK's, I ALWAYS kill you

and I never miss

admit it at minimum that these NK's go against the efficiency you've seen me at

I'll admit it and say thanks, I appreciate it. I'm having a blast

I simply never let you live until you inevitably tunnel me

This is a tunnel first of its kind so far
Try not to draw false comparisons

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:09 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:09 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:06 pm The NKs don't really matter too much to me as much as the fact that you or others want to see how much social pressure, lying town and appeals to emotion I can endure before being led to the wrong track.
The last two phases I didn't really see through enough but at the current gamestate I cannot not want to eliminate you.

no, you should care about the NK's, I ALWAYS kill you

and I never miss

admit it at minimum that these NK's go against the efficiency you've seen me at

I'll admit it and say thanks, I appreciate it. I'm having a blast

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:06 pm The NKs don't really matter too much to me as much as the fact that you or others want to see how much social pressure, lying town and appeals to emotion I can endure before being led to the wrong track.
The last two phases I didn't really see through enough but at the current gamestate I cannot not want to eliminate you.

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:58 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:52 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:49 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:41 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:37 pm Well I am in a game, and I intend to win it
I get all the 'being UwU cute let's have that player win instead'
That's the trap.

As much as I'd like to sometimes just close one or two eyes and start writing lies, especially in certain player's who I sympathize with cases, I'm not going to do that in my first game in here or generally on this run of mafia games.
After hiatus I'd do it, since I'd know the players better, but not this time. I'm not going to hand out favours in a novel environment for me, because it's too hard to replicate this experience later.
Hope you can understand.

you do know I'm much more cynical, circumspect, and nihilistic than you, right?

there is no sunset to walk into, nobody to wash away our misdeeds or guilt or sins. you must trust yourself or someone who knows better than you, I know what's good for you

I know what goes against my morality, and I'm detecting attempts to bend it to your advantage.
I'll just say that's not going to happen in a game of mafia, or maybe only rarely, but not as long as it's game deciding.
With Nanook and Mac doing what they are doing, I can't trust you to be eliminated by the town after this day.

can't argue with that

It's out of my influence looking at the votes, but I'll still consider it a success if I'm correct on you.
I can play less seriously at a later time when I don't get put into higher difficulties like here. But no AtE allowed for me right now until I'm done.

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:49 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:41 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:37 pm Well I am in a game, and I intend to win it
I get all the 'being UwU cute let's have that player win instead'
That's the trap.

As much as I'd like to sometimes just close one or two eyes and start writing lies, especially in certain player's who I sympathize with cases, I'm not going to do that in my first game in here or generally on this run of mafia games.
After hiatus I'd do it, since I'd know the players better, but not this time. I'm not going to hand out favours in a novel environment for me, because it's too hard to replicate this experience later.
Hope you can understand.

you do know I'm much more cynical, circumspect, and nihilistic than you, right?

there is no sunset to walk into, nobody to wash away our misdeeds or guilt or sins. you must trust yourself or someone who knows better than you, I know what's good for you

I know what goes against my morality, and I'm detecting attempts to bend it to your advantage.
I'll just say that's not going to happen in a game of mafia, or maybe only rarely, but not as long as it's game deciding.
With Nanook and Mac doing what they are doing, I can't trust you to be eliminated by the town after this day.

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:37 pm Well I am in a game, and I intend to win it
I get all the 'being UwU cute let's have that player win instead'
That's the trap.

As much as I'd like to sometimes just close one or two eyes and start writing lies, especially in certain player's who I sympathize with cases, I'm not going to do that in my first game in here or generally on this run of mafia games.
After hiatus I'd do it, since I'd know the players better, but not this time. I'm not going to hand out favours in a novel environment for me, because it's too hard to replicate this experience later.
Hope you can understand.

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:28 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:27 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:24 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:16 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:11 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:05 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:00 pm

This isn't an argument you bring when you know me and are town
I don't think it's safe at all to vote with Mac, it's not safe with Nook. Dizzy is malleable and could come around, and I'm certainly not killing another one on team truth, of which I assume Vulgard to be a part of.

Is it a stalemate, vote-wise? Need to check

lol, Mac is confirmed doc

you have to read the game with the assumption there's a single bad actor and the rest of the people are honest god fearing US Citizens

I already am reading it that way
The joke is that I'm the opposite of a bad actor irl (not talking about the profession), as you should expect if you inverted what you see of me in here. I'm nothing like here, the here being a human copy of the same rebellious deed that works just as fine
As ridiculous as the expectation that bad things don't come to good people

the only thing I know is that not much of anything is fair

next, how do you imagine me to be irl?

lastly, do you think I'm capable of this dizzy read?

I don't know what you are like. Guessing single details is fine, but I don't see myself entitled to judge the overall picture when all I have is text.
I think you are the last mafia no matter how many smoke grenades I get thrown around me. At some point the distractions give themselves away when you invert their actions.

I'd agree however that many coincidences that hinted at my beliefs, I had no influence on. I still believe I made choices out of my own volition, I'd guess the correct ones.

you are lost, I'm in poe, sheep me now and if game doesn't end vote me

I can't rely on all town votes being votes for town, you should know that but you pretend you don't

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:24 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:16 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:11 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:05 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:00 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:33 pm philosophically I don't believe you have free will, in opinion it's inevitable you make whatever decision you're going to make, however you should vote with me and Mac @Vivax

This isn't an argument you bring when you know me and are town
I don't think it's safe at all to vote with Mac, it's not safe with Nook. Dizzy is malleable and could come around, and I'm certainly not killing another one on team truth, of which I assume Vulgard to be a part of.

Is it a stalemate, vote-wise? Need to check

lol, Mac is confirmed doc

you have to read the game with the assumption there's a single bad actor and the rest of the people are honest god fearing US Citizens

I already am reading it that way
The joke is that I'm the opposite of a bad actor irl (not talking about the profession), as you should expect if you inverted what you see of me in here. I'm nothing like here, the here being a human copy of the same rebellious deed that works just as fine
As ridiculous as the expectation that bad things don't come to good people

the only thing I know is that not much of anything is fair

next, how do you imagine me to be irl?

lastly, do you think I'm capable of this dizzy read?

I don't know what you are like. Guessing single details is fine, but I don't see myself entitled to judge the overall picture when all I have is text.
I think you are the last mafia no matter how many smoke grenades I get thrown around me. At some point the distractions give themselves away when you invert their actions.

I'd agree however that many coincidences that hinted at my beliefs, I had no influence on. I still believe I made choices out of my own volition, I'd guess the correct ones.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:24 pm Meh still lots of time

But yeah consider this me telegraphing a mac sheep

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:23 pm Oh

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:22 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:02 pm I'd have to get Sean and Vulgard onto Lucy as Nanook and Mac are unlikely to budge

Obviously I'm going to move before eod lol

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:15 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:13 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:12 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:11 pm @Dyslexicon while calling me truthful and honest, you also are of the opinion my read on you is fake, how is this not contradictory?

You are using truth. You are obviously not unable to play mafia lol

elaborate further my Czechoslovak

If you are mafia, you have admitted to slipping. You're also using a reason to hard vote me that has a core of truth to it (though I'm not quite sure what it is exactly), but you were able to pick up on that I didn't quite want to vote you even though I had decided to in the moment

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:13 pm But to be all the way honest myself, I don't even know anymore

I need to sleep soon. If you all chop me, it's all good and I get to lay to rest with my bae Ender and my apparently arch nemesis Achro (<3). And then good luck deciding if you should overthink or do the Lucy/Nook speeding

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:11 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:05 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:00 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:33 pm philosophically I don't believe you have free will, in opinion it's inevitable you make whatever decision you're going to make, however you should vote with me and Mac @Vivax

This isn't an argument you bring when you know me and are town
I don't think it's safe at all to vote with Mac, it's not safe with Nook. Dizzy is malleable and could come around, and I'm certainly not killing another one on team truth, of which I assume Vulgard to be a part of.

Is it a stalemate, vote-wise? Need to check

lol, Mac is confirmed doc

you have to read the game with the assumption there's a single bad actor and the rest of the people are honest god fearing US Citizens

I already am reading it that way
The joke is that I'm the opposite of a bad actor irl (not talking about the profession), as you should expect if you inverted what you see of me in here. I'm nothing like here, the here being a human copy of the same rebellious deed that works just as fine
As ridiculous as the expectation that bad things don't come to good people

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:12 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:11 pm @Dyslexicon while calling me truthful and honest, you also are of the opinion my read on you is fake, how is this not contradictory?

You are using truth. You are obviously not unable to play mafia lol

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:02 pm I'd have to get Sean and Vulgard onto Lucy as Nanook and Mac are unlikely to budge

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:00 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:33 pm philosophically I don't believe you have free will, in opinion it's inevitable you make whatever decision you're going to make, however you should vote with me and Mac @Vivax

This isn't an argument you bring when you know me and are town
I don't think it's safe at all to vote with Mac, it's not safe with Nook. Dizzy is malleable and could come around, and I'm certainly not killing another one on team truth, of which I assume Vulgard to be a part of.

Is it a stalemate, vote-wise? Need to check

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:00 pm Lucy are you okay with the idea of going on auto with the PoE {Dozzy, Lucy, Nanook}?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:00 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:57 pm you'd win the argument but ur still scum lmao, ima stop responding

I'm actually curious. Because you're not even totally wrong, in one way. I had already decided to vote you. But I waited until you logged off. So, it seems, I did pause, but not sufficiently?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:55 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:54 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:49 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:48 pmI'm rarely ever compared to others, I quite like it when I am

honesty and logic are good principles, are they not?

Of course.

Speaking of, do you truly believe that it is suspicious that I was worried about you and then proceeded to vote you anyway?

I knew I saw something but I didn't immediately process it, and I couldn't follow your emotions so I believe it was a scum slip

How would my emotions be different as mafia and town in this scenario?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:49 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:48 pmI'm rarely ever compared to others, I quite like it when I am

honesty and logic are good principles, are they not?

Of course.

Speaking of, do you truly believe that it is suspicious that I was worried about you and then proceeded to vote you anyway?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:46 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:45 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:41 pm How about this. We lock the game at me/Lucy/Nook?

@Vulgard I don't really find the spew for Lucy clearing. She was pretty hands off on Tommy and Porscha, or pretty neutral. I think Lucy is the type of player who will appear very similar as town and mafia. It seems like she plays more on principle. But there's two things that bothers me a lot. The first is the fixation on her mistake about assuming Mac to be the N1. She said that it would be something that town could assume, but she still called it a mistake and said she would be chopped for it. I think she was just honest about that. The other thing that bothers me is this:

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:53 pm I will have dinner and read and try to have my god read epiphany while doing those things

Teasing her epiphany on me before having it. I think it's just a fake read

problem is I'm appealing to my own authority where I regularly make these kinds of reads

what principles btw

Honesty and logic

Which is why you remind me of someone called Alana. You may not enjoy that you remind me of someone, but that is just a guess

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:45 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:44 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:41 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME What made you think Lucy was doc btw?

the aforementioned mistake, it was essentially a deduction that made me scum or doc, since I'm neither it was arguably a tmi and definitely a mistake

I don't get a lot of what you're saying sometimes, Lucy. If you are mafia, I believe I've learned something about you this game

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:41 pm How about this. We lock the game at me/Lucy/Nook?

@Vulgard I don't really find the spew for Lucy clearing. She was pretty hands off on Tommy and Porscha, or pretty neutral. I think Lucy is the type of player who will appear very similar as town and mafia. It seems like she plays more on principle. But there's two things that bothers me a lot. The first is the fixation on her mistake about assuming Mac to be the N1. She said that it would be something that town could assume, but she still called it a mistake and said she would be chopped for it. I think she was just honest about that. The other thing that bothers me is this:

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:53 pm I will have dinner and read and try to have my god read epiphany while doing those things

Teasing her epiphany on me before having it. I think it's just a fake read

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:41 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME What made you think Lucy was doc btw?

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:16 am

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:23 pm would u join the Iranian congress with me @Vivax @Dyslexicon

Judging by the posts that followed in the ketchup, that sounds like an invitation to getting chopped. Otherwise, you get an award for one of the strangest suggestions I've read. I need my little bubble of clarity and lots of buffer time for things, not that spontaneous in my endeavours.
It's tricky but it's not Dyslexicon, I don't think.

Maybe Mac or Lucy if not for the doctor greenchecking Mac if the events are to be taken at face value

What's interesting is that I thought the same thing as mafia as to who the doctor was (they killed Sabi before Rondo)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:05 am

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:29 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:36 pm The way I see it, the best play is to kill Porscha.

The most fun play is to kill Achromatic.

killed axe to sus achro

One problem here is I never kill Axe in any game

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:02 am

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:56 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:53 am

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:53 am ergo fake emotions on some level

Please no.

makes one message not make sense in my pov from a malicious level, and I'm right about these reads

I have no idea what you're on about here. But I had a dream about you writing that you were ill that same night. So please do not call my concern fake. I did actually want to shield you from a vote after that, which is why I waited, so you are right about that. But I didn't want to vote Vul, because I had more reason to think him town. And I needed to get my vote down

Are you criticising me for not taking pity on your rl circumstances and voting someone who I felt was going to flip town? Like what is your actual angle here? And how does it make me not town?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:53 am

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:53 am ergo fake emotions on some level

Please no.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:53 am

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:50 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:47 am

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:26 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:24 pm [VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

makes no sense to vote me here

Why?

too soon after being concerned about me

But your alignment doesn't have anything to do with my concern for your well being.

Also, you had already gone to bed and was not logged on. I did actually check that, you're right

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:51 am

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:51 pmshe never voted Porscha, ignore her reasoning, see the optics

I didn't vote Porscha because I was tunnelled on Achro. I also didn't try to save Porscha, I thought she was getting chopped D2 anyway.

And I was worried for you when you said you hadn't slept for 2 days. I'd be worried for anyone hearing that. It's obviously not AI, please