The Syndicate

@Dyslexicon

Next time. Next time. Gg.

@Vulgard hi can you please hammer me so I can spec

@Vivax please put your hands on me

also for official mislynch stats it doesn't count if it is part of a structured PoE settlement which I agree to ahead of time.

If this was not the case my mislynch count would be up to 7 after this one.

Thanks for a chill day 3 everyone, good discussion tbh

Oh is it finally time to do this?

[VOTE: Chris] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:07 am It never makes sense to chop Wilgy tbh. Nanook is either town with a godread or mafia with TMI. Wilgy is an objectively bad chop through Nanook.

Can Nanook be wrong? Yes 1 in 6 times.

It's bad probability play. Either Nanook is a wolf with TMI or his read should be acknowledged. Anyone suspicious of Wilgy and not Nanook would need to have a seriously strong argument for why Nanook is wrong.

1 in 6 is almost 2x above random here and also infinitely more than me but you know.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:00 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:55 am Imagine being able to pocket a single person, even as town.
Couldn't be me apparently.

Pocketing people as town is the best tbh.

no one wants me this game lol x)

Imagine being able to pocket a single person, even as town.
Couldn't be me apparently.

well someone pocketed someone this game I'll tell you what

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:25 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:22 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:19 am Dizzy fooled a lot people when I played with her when she was a wolfu. That's why I can't trust her. She knows how to pocket

Paranoia is only good in moderate doses. Don't overdose.

She's not out of her wolf range hence why I don't get why you are hard shielding her

What is her wolf range? ;o How many games have you played with wolf dizzy?

Anyway let's see

@Dyslexicon I am not suspecting you and thus you have no reason to vote for me
@MacDougall appeal to don't kill your top poster before you kill your bottom poster in a game where mafia got rammed early, fallacy etc
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you know, re-evaluating your reads is super pro town and makes you not a scum at all wink wink

Won't bother with seanzie lol x)

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:36 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:29 am Btw vivax you may have answered but what is the policy in the policy lynch of me

@Vivax

That I thought there was an expectation that you also play to withhold information as town and lie?
Like Rondo has been described.
So that makes you tricky to townread while you're lying, but at some point you get used to it.

I don't understand this policy lynch ;o

I demand you take your hands off of me, sir.

Btw vivax you may have answered but what is the policy in the policy lynch of me

@Vivax

I don't know how that solves with 1 wolf left but hey.

Also I am so out of my wolf range this game lol x) i can only do this once please don't mislynch me again when I am more chill in my next game

Eh sure. I found ender again!

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

If only I knew for certain who that is. Effort would say wilgy but lol

Any questions for me before I self vote? Game isn't ending btw don't get your hopes up.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:38 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:54 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:50 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:00 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:26 am Reading Mac's self eval was interesting. I have noticed that he's extremely fast at times, but maybe it's familiarity with the players.

I think that strategy wise on D1 town profits from TvT clinches and scummy looking townies in general. It's up to wolves if they make anything out of it, but usually they do try to stay out of it in my experience. Thread noise and those blending into it I guess.

Sometimes there's also moments where someone pops in and starts posting and you glimpse something of their alignment without realizing why. Strange phenomenons and all. Or perceive a mood remotely just cause you're looking at the same thing as other ones. Maybe I'm imagining it, but it's a nice thought to have.

You’re adorable tbh

Thanks!

I find you really hard to read from tone on reread. Kinda aloof in the first pages.
You voted both red flips right off the bat, how did you pull that off?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:18 am Actually I probably shouldn't vote someone I haven't played with rn

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Because lack of impression or something

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:15 am [VOTE: Tommy] aubergine

Thread flow or he's frozen or whatever

@EnderWiggin are you still hard shielding?

Tell me why you think Dizzy goes through the whole "Talking myself out of one Mafia partner" only to turn that into a push on the other partner.

Then I'll think about it.

Makes you think

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:44 am And including Achro because I feel us both sitting in dead chat having found then lost each other is funnier.

Lol it's not a big deal tbh. Only one scum just keeping my head on a swivel. <3

Yeah ender makes a lot of sense if I just assume nanook is a type of player who I have trouble sorting. Which they are.

Ignoring one post day 1 about porscha and their play today ender is an easy wolf to love in comparison to like everyone but wilgy

If it's not in that list someone is getting a wolf of the year award lol

'I can't'

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:23 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:21 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:12 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:24 pm I wish for the poe to be me and everyone I have cased and been told I am crazy for casing. Ty

Is that not exactly what my POE was?

You missed dizzy but you also thought we had one less lynch.

Also I was meming. A little.

How can you even humour that Dizzy is mafia? Did you not see their posts?!

Well if it is none of those listed then this thread is going to be a dark place lol.

I saw your poe and it was missing one of my own poe from throughout the game regardless of if it had any basis in reality you see.

So I can't.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:12 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:24 pm I wish for the poe to be me and everyone I have cased and been told I am crazy for casing. Ty

Is that not exactly what my POE was?

You missed dizzy but you also thought we had one less lynch.

Also I was meming. A little.

I wish for the poe to be me and everyone I have cased and been told I am crazy for casing. Ty

I like playing with mac

I like how there has been so much heat and we have 2 dead wolves and 1 nked town. Game couldn't be going better. We're a feisty bunch.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:52 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:47 pm I am actually really okay with being called scum as town because it is novel for me and it gives me a chance to practice being on the backfoot for when I am scum.

Now other things that sometimes go along with being pushed grate me, but suspicion is oft a compliment.

I find that people who suspect me are >rand mafia and dunking on wolves is enjoyable to me so I often find myself being mean to people who suspect me because the idea of wolves flailing about trying to get town Mac over amuses me and inspires me to mock.

But then when it's a town doing it they get upset because it hurts being mocked when you're trying hard and earnestly and doesn't really hurt being mocked when you're being a lame wolf.

I actually have a pretty good flow chart for reaction reading how people deal with my snarky reactions to being sussed. A lot of my skill in mafia stems from having expectations for how people deal with the things I do and forcing myself into prominence so people have no choice but to have to. I'm like a mafia tsunami lol.

Rand v here, although I can be exploited at times due to this.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:51 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:49 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:48 pm All the steps I have taken to unlearn from being toxic is going to be undone because games are resuming on my homesite on Monday so I hope I don't regress back to sabi the bitch

my sincere advice: don't play if they remain that way

I reformed my homesite through fire and blood and it worked out

Unfortunately due to my temp ban, I only have limited avenues for mafia game. I hopefully won't regress but I also miss telling people to fuck off and to choke on a cactus without getting in trouble?

Just dm me on discord and we can discuss theory tbh lol

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:48 pm All the steps I have taken to unlearn from being toxic is going to be undone because games are resuming on my homesite on Monday so I hope I don't regress back to sabi the bitch

my sincere advice: don't play if they remain that way

I reformed my homesite through fire and blood and it worked out

I am actually really okay with being called scum as town because it is novel for me and it gives me a chance to practice being on the backfoot for when I am scum.

Now other things that sometimes go along with being pushed grate me, but suspicion is oft a compliment.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:44 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:38 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:36 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:33 pm Sabi upset at someone who she's been teasing and insulting all game for no reason because he said they eat out of bins.

You ignored me hard shielding you and defending you but go off.

Also how do you fuck up my pronouns lol

Because I'm a 35 year old cis white male.

fucking mood I feel terrible when I mess up lol

I have a non binary child. It is hard to go from Audrey my daughter I call she her for 10 years to Asher my child I call they them. It doesn't change the love at all it's just difficult to break the habits. Sabi is just feminine to me and I didn't realise they were they/them until 10 minutes ago.

the worst is I hear voices of players while I play mafia (... complicated, fun talk sometime) and I will hear a masc voice for a they/them and god I think he every time and I type and think so fast and then I am like FUCK.

remember, if you ever read me as town for when I have a rage moment I will never forgive you.

let me have a moment of rage without it effecting the game x)

I think Sabi is a good egg tbh, just yeah a bit emotions driven sometimes. I like playing with them.

Ayway full disclosure I have kicked all of the tires I can kick, and I feel like I have been listened to so at this juncture the most I can do is sheep mac who has a lot more experience with all of you and or calmly accept my death for poe purposes whenever.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:36 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:33 pm Sabi upset at someone who she's been teasing and insulting all game for no reason because he said they eat out of bins.

You ignored me hard shielding you and defending you but go off.

Also how do you fuck up my pronouns lol

Because I'm a 35 year old cis white male.

fucking mood I feel terrible when I mess up lol

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:36 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:34 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:31 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:31 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:26 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:24 pm I'm not confident it's ender

Same but he is a blind spot for me so having Mac evaluate him I am just going to trust

I hate to use it but I'll point out Mac's self-admitted case of constantly wolf-reading me even when I'm town.

Is this where you admit I can read you and have caught you loads of times and you use this argument every time you're mafia?

Are you really going to force me to find all the times I use it as town to just shut this point up?

You also see me use it as mafia Because I use it as town nearly every game.

Iwoulddothisastown.jpg

Achro can be slotted after Wilgy if that doesn't end because he doesn't know how to not respond to everything someone he susses says with reasons why that makes them mafia.

lol

Like, all I do is spin my wheels at equity %s but go off king x)

plus twas only a jest.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:31 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:31 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:26 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:24 pm I'm not confident it's ender

Same but he is a blind spot for me so having Mac evaluate him I am just going to trust

I hate to use it but I'll point out Mac's self-admitted case of constantly wolf-reading me even when I'm town.

Is this where you admit I can read you and have caught you loads of times and you use this argument every time you're mafia?

Are you really going to force me to find all the times I use it as town to just shut this point up?

You also see me use it as mafia Because I use it as town nearly every game.

Iwoulddothisastown.jpg

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:30 pm Here have a betting line

5/1 - Ender, Achro
6/1 - DrWilgy
9/1 - Lucy
12/1 - Sabi, Vivax
15/1 - Vulgard
20/1 - Seanzie, Nanook, Dyslexicon
100/1 - Rondo

Feel free to throw me some cash.

damn that nanook line is such a teaser for me to waste money on

but also apparently no one who has not played with me has any idea if I am town, mac has seen me play, so ender showing up here today and being like 'achro can be cleared based off this' would make him literally the only one.

...

How many wolves do we have again?

math dont lie

So let's see in worlds where ender is wolf

I vote wolf and defend wolf all day
I then vote wolf and defend wolf all day
I then go in circles for awhile, have a von karma breakdown for a bit, and then am reminded I am overthinking and vote a wolf.

wowee I like this.

oh wait, ender was a ping read where analysis failed me in champs

yup I'm good lol.

not overthinking this, let's go heart of the cards.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:23 pm In this game we have 5000 posts and are at "why would a wolf do things that make them look town" type questions...

End me.

lol ;o

I hope you know I was trying to think of the exact mentality

Anyway voting for a wolf all day and then thinking they have looked a lot better only to slowly get over that feeling and have them flip wolf is on brand for me this game so I mean.

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

I will go look at his iso again.

you know who isn't town?

the scum

my only question about EW, the thing that I liked, is what was his end game here Surely lolcating eod2 is just really not it as wolf with porscha

also clearing me today felt good (.... but he ended up voting me anyway for reasons so???)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:17 pm Yes. Ender also TMI'd that you are both town just now and also tried to act like he was clear because he knew Sabi was doctor. Nanook and I both thought it was Lucy.

also I don't think knowing doctor matters in this setup overtly if your kill is axe of all people n2 lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:15 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:13 pm also mac I apologize for jumping on you day 1 in relation to seanzie. I'm at one game of this and I am already over this so I can only imagine how you feel.

I'm not sure what you're apologising sure but it's fine.

day 1 I gave you flak for being not nice to Seanzie

I regret everything lol

also mac I apologize for jumping on you day 1 in relation to seanzie. I'm at one game of this and I am already over this so I can only imagine how you feel.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:05 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:56 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:55 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:53 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:02 pm Nook looks good by unvoting to avoid a quick hammer.

Dizzy looks bad for outting achro at -1

These reads do not follow from these reasons IMO. Hammering is not necessarily a bad thing. Not hammering is not necessarily a good thing.

Achromatic self voted and then immediately went into complementing a bunch of people. Their whole day from a macro lens is like the epitome of wolf. Maybe they're town, but idk. They need to be resolved IMO, and waiting to do it isn't going to do us any favors. If we lose to wolf!Achromatic, Nook's unvote will likely be the turning point where we went from winning to losing.

Seanzie real talk I literally, bottom of my heart, don't think you know shit about what good wolf play is lol.

I mean, I'm not exactly accusing you of good wolf play here.

Then I am accusing you of having not the first clue about my player profile.

Your player profile and how good you think you are and whatever reputation you believe you deserve mean nothing to me.

You look like a wolf doing openwolf shiz while covering that up with huge volume. You never intended to die and let town focus on your legacy, you were more interested in pushing any misyeet other than yourself than actually solving the game, you openly rolefished, you got pissy about the fact that you lying about making a legacy and dying quietly didn't get you townread, you self voted to AtE, and then you immediately switched into "pocket everything that moves" afterwards so it was clearly not genuine "get me out of this game" ness.

If you're town, I recommend you get over yourself, leave a legacy, and let us move on with this game.

The problem with players with your mindset is you think saying things like "mean nothing to me" is a good thing. Look at you, not being effected by things. Just the thread. But once you do that you give away many pieces of valuable information that can help you solve. Yes, I do need to get over myself, which is why it would be strange for me to lower myself on the ground and try to save a useless slot like Tommy. But this does not occur to you, because you are Seanzie, and reputation and skill ranges do not matter to you.

Also you aren't very good at reading me. Like, literally. I left a legacy and asked people to vote me and I was at -1 for awhile. I don't AtE, because it is beneath me.

You say leave a legacy and let the game move on. I go 'okay here's my reads gl town' and self vote, you go 'not like that.'

Your nickname is now dark_spiral.

Enjoy it, spiral. Because you know what? I'm going to play here again. I will roll wolf. And just like with spiral I am going to enjoy tricking you every time. We will have so much beautiful fun together, spiral.

also fwiw I have the wolf WIM to be about this active and I have won a few games down 11-1 before but also I just set myself up way better than whatever the fuck I did here x)

No one has to believe that before I die but oh boy wolf achro feasting good off this

Hey cutie