The Syndicate

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 4:37 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 4:34 pmDo it no guts

Are you calling me a coward?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 3:41 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 3:39 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:22 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:10 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:07 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:30 pm

Good. Tell me more.

I don't really have a read either way on Rem yet but I will eventually.

Robyn seems towny to me though.

I mean... this is like my 7th post

Your read here on Robyn is a throw away, since you claimed they weren't Maf, and also don't have a read on them.




And there's nothing you point to that informs the Robyn read, it's vague & generalized

This is the problem I'm seeing with her reads on people, they are generalized, there is no meet on them except for Tutuu, which I agreed with her as well. Tutuu was wolfy.

But if you check when she talks about Seanzie, Zenon calls him town without saying why, then in the big wall post with anime gifs, she outs a hedging read on Seanzie voicing concern on him but still townreading, then on day 2 she declares that she no longer townreads Seanzie without saying why (I know why, Seanzie was suspecting her and she just OMGUS), She parked on Seanzie until we started talking about eliminating Robyn and Rem, then she appealed to Seanzie about to killing Rem, then Seanzie scum reads he and she actually appeals to him as if she knew Seanzie was town and then we know the rest.

Another example is myself, she had me in her townreads all game except today. She townread me more being uncooperative with Seanzie (even though she said it was my indignation) when he asked me why I was suspecting Epignosis and another player I dont remember now, then that she still townread me but that she was concerned about my derp being fake, then she voted Tutuu to save me from elimination, on day 2 she continued to townread me, then voted me to tie me with Rem (because she liked Rem more than me), then she dropped it and went for Seanzie, then Epignosis all in an attempt to save her townreads that she had no in game justification for, again, we know what happened at the end.

She has played very uncooperatively when prompted to show us her minset about her reads on people, specially Rem, then she just kills Rem.

Oh wtf ever

My reads have been the best in this game lol

Is that why you've not been a NK target, cuz of dem siiiiiiiiick reads?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 3:21 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:34 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:27 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:10 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:09 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:33 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:31 pm



Why the need to untie the wagons? Why not vote Epi if she's been TR Rem at that point? What kind of interactions does she have w/ Epi?




Yeah, sometimes it is that easy

Rand is anti town

Rand is strictly not anti town if you enable a 50/50 between a w and t where it was just a t going over previously though...

Rand is anti town. I will never let a vote rand if I can help it. Ever.

I disagree with this view very much.

You threw your own top town over because of this thinking then decided to blame everyone else. I think your flawed view on ties and how to handle a perceived TvT game state here is exactly what's caused this aggravating game state we are in now. I think, in a TvT game state, if one should try to rationalize the arguments made for each (as it's impossible for everyone involved to be wolf), and then make the best vote even if it results in a tie. That will always result in a higher chance for a W flip.

I think I'd be more keen to just try trusting your Kate read if it wasn't for the blaming of others and the AtE you expressed in response into the EoD which really reminds me of your gameplay in Hot Fuzz. There's a big difference between 'I panic'd and impulsively voted, my bad' and the AtE and blame you expressed going into this phase.

Also, I don't want this to come across as a criticism on you, rather my view on EoD and following. I somewhat struggled writing this one out as you are my friend and I do want to think you are town, acking that I think you are town, I can see this view of yours being genuine. I do not wish to bash/criticize your genuine view or emotion related. I don't think I'd make this argument in the first place if I didn't think it was needed for expressing my thoughts on this game state and where I'm at.

Rand is anti town though. But yah, she eliminating Rem does not make sense.

In fact anyone who voices a townread in that behavior with clear no lack of paranoia is a wolf with TMI if Zenon flips town because no one in their right mind would believe that shit was townie.

Rand is anti town. Forcing a rand to fall on your town read is more anti town.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:50 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:49 pm I think what I'm having trouble squaring is

- if Epi flips scum, then I always chop Zenon next
- but if Epi flips town, nothing feels clarified about Zenon?

hmmm
- well, if Zenon flips scum, then I want to chop Epi next for potential theater but idk if that's really right
- if Zenon flips town, I think maybe I can townread Epi? because why would scum knowingly suicide

but that's my whole Epi read in general, it's technically WIFOM but like, why vote off

oh, well, wait a second

@Epignosis why didn't you self-vote instead of voting Zenon at EOD yesterday, to confirm your own death?

I don't vote for myself. I find it antithetical to the spirit of the game.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:24 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:22 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:10 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:07 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:30 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:28 pm

I disagree

Good. Tell me more.

I don't really have a read either way on Rem yet but I will eventually.

Robyn seems towny to me though.

I mean... this is like my 7th post

Your read here on Robyn is a throw away, since you claimed they weren't Maf, and also don't have a read on them.




And there's nothing you point to that informs the Robyn read, it's vague & generalized

This is the problem I'm seeing with her reads on people, they are generalized, there is no meet on them except for Tutuu, which I agreed with her as well. Tutuu was wolfy.

But if you check when she talks about Seanzie, Zenon calls him town without saying why, then in the big wall post with anime gifs, she outs a hedging read on Seanzie voicing concern on him but still townreading, then on day 2 she declares that she no longer townreads Seanzie without saying why (I know why, Seanzie was suspecting her and she just OMGUS), She parked on Seanzie until we started talking about eliminating Robyn and Rem, then she appealed to Seanzie about to killing Rem, then Seanzie scum reads he and she actually appeals to him as if she knew Seanzie was town and then we know the rest.

Another example is myself, she had me in her townreads all game except today. She townread me more being uncooperative with Seanzie (even though she said it was my indignation) when he asked me why I was suspecting Epignosis and another player I dont remember now, then that she still townread me but that she was concerned about my derp being fake, then she voted Tutuu to save me from elimination, on day 2 she continued to townread me, then voted me to tie me with Rem (because she liked Rem more than me), then she dropped it and went for Seanzie, then Epignosis all in an attempt to save her townreads that she had no in game justification for, again, we know what happened at the end.

She has played very uncooperatively when prompted to show us her minset about her reads on people, specially Rem, then she just kills Rem.

And today when I asked her why did she flip on Rem she went on auto defense mode and declared that a thunderdome must take place between she and I. How is that townie?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:22 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:10 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:07 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:30 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:28 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:26 pm Rem and Robyn are mafia. Go.

I disagree

Good. Tell me more.

I don't really have a read either way on Rem yet but I will eventually.

Robyn seems towny to me though.

I mean... this is like my 7th post

Your read here on Robyn is a throw away, since you claimed they weren't Maf, and also don't have a read on them.




And there's nothing you point to that informs the Robyn read, it's vague & generalized

This is the problem I'm seeing with her reads on people, they are generalized, there is no meet on them except for Tutuu, which I agreed with her as well. Tutuu was wolfy.

But if you check when she talks about Seanzie, Zenon calls him town without saying why, then in the big wall post with anime gifs, she outs a hedging read on Seanzie voicing concern on him but still townreading, then on day 2 she declares that she no longer townreads Seanzie without saying why (I know why, Seanzie was suspecting her and she just OMGUS), She parked on Seanzie until we started talking about eliminating Robyn and Rem, then she appealed to Seanzie about to killing Rem, then Seanzie scum reads he and she actually appeals to him as if she knew Seanzie was town and then we know the rest.

Another example is myself, she had me in her townreads all game except today. She townread me more being uncooperative with Seanzie (even though she said it was my indignation) when he asked me why I was suspecting Epignosis and another player I dont remember now, then that she still townread me but that she was concerned about my derp being fake, then she voted Tutuu to save me from elimination, on day 2 she continued to townread me, then voted me to tie me with Rem (because she liked Rem more than me), then she dropped it and went for Seanzie, then Epignosis all in an attempt to save her townreads that she had no in game justification for, again, we know what happened at the end.

She has played very uncooperatively when prompted to show us her minset about her reads on people, specially Rem, then she just kills Rem.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:16 pm imagine if Rem had just, like, been online and self-prezzed.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:05 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:15 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:02 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:53 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:48 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:46 amVote Epi

I suggest Tutuu first. *checks own voting record* *squints* *asks self wtf*

Anyways what do you think of Falcon?

I just want wagon balance and kinda am panicking that tutuu is just playing weird for whatever reason and is town.

Panic bad.

Anyways I can't read falcon for shit. Seems like falcon. I've seen falcon wolf once and he kinda try harded I dunno if that's normal or not.

Any names I should have on my radar that I dont?

I get anxious I'm clearing Wilgy too easily...

And Robyn is a threat that I likely won't find if she is wolfing

Wanna check into those and lemme no what you see?

Zenon, I take it you have towned against wolf!Robyn?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:27 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:10 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:09 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:33 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:31 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:25 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:22 pm Epi looks to be partnered if Neon flips red

is it really that easy sometimes?

Why the need to untie the wagons? Why not vote Epi if she's been TR Rem at that point? What kind of interactions does she have w/ Epi?




Yeah, sometimes it is that easy

Rand is anti town

Rand is strictly not anti town if you enable a 50/50 between a w and t where it was just a t going over previously though...

Rand is anti town. I will never let a vote rand if I can help it. Ever.

I disagree with this view very much.

You threw your own top town over because of this thinking then decided to blame everyone else. I think your flawed view on ties and how to handle a perceived TvT game state here is exactly what's caused this aggravating game state we are in now. I think, in a TvT game state, if one should try to rationalize the arguments made for each (as it's impossible for everyone involved to be wolf), and then make the best vote even if it results in a tie. That will always result in a higher chance for a W flip.

I think I'd be more keen to just try trusting your Kate read if it wasn't for the blaming of others and the AtE you expressed in response into the EoD which really reminds me of your gameplay in Hot Fuzz. There's a big difference between 'I panic'd and impulsively voted, my bad' and the AtE and blame you expressed going into this phase.

Also, I don't want this to come across as a criticism on you, rather my view on EoD and following. I somewhat struggled writing this one out as you are my friend and I do want to think you are town, acking that I think you are town, I can see this view of yours being genuine. I do not wish to bash/criticize your genuine view or emotion related. I don't think I'd make this argument in the first place if I didn't think it was needed for expressing my thoughts on this game state and where I'm at.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:53 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:11 am zenon often townreads me prematurely, that's nai but it's worrying from any other player

NAI, meaning she does it as town and scum, ok.

I need to check later who else was townreading her prematurely.

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:29 am

Zenon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:20 am Kill Guillo Epi or Wilgy

It'll be exelo but that's the PoE

I'm out

Kate is lock town

I don't think it's Epi.

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 5:41 am Ok so I'm gonna try to go back to bed, but I'm going to say that in my estimation if zenon or epi go over today it's game over.

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 5:00 am It might be too late to save this game. I'm afraid the only ones paying attention are me (robyn) and you and the wolves. And sean probably was, but they killed him.

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 11:14 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 11:02 am reads:

zenon

rest

yeah thats right bitch. ion give a fuck. zenon is the only one i trust

i could have been pocketed by epi and/or wilgy. i wouldnt bet the game on my townreads on them, not feeling confident. i thought pyxxy as wolf would be posting more but this might be a dumb read. i have no clue what to think of sean it felt to me like he snorts a line before every post he makes

so my legacy if im the d1 chop is to sheep zenon tomorrow. if she dies n1 - tough luck. but its your guys's problem, not mine

good luck you all, and i do appreciate that this has been a generally more active game compared to most games we have. even if we mischop some villagers i dont feel like we're doomed, i feel like the remaining townies might be able to solve it, plenty of content itt. godspeed

Alright so Tutuu is lock town for this post and I'm moving on lol.

This is normal town Tutuu the town Tutuu I love to play with. This is what I want. Fuck.

Tier of her own

Rem

Town lock

Zenon
Cape
Tutuu

Sheep this I'm rarely wrong on more than one lock town read.

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:13 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:57 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:54 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:51 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:49 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:45 pm And how do you know it?

Damn you haven't played with me in a long time have you?

1. Wolf Kate would not be this in your face.
2. I'm right.
3. I know zenon way better than you do, I'm sure of that.
4. I'm right.

What's your opinion on Seanzie?

Other than he's dead?

I think he is probably the best civ on the site.

Agreed. You passed the first test.

Second test: Why did Zenon vote Rem instead of me?

That's wild. Zenon could have voted me, killed me (a suspect) and still had Rem alive. Zenon voted Rem. Killed Rem.

I don't know that. You'd have to ask zenon. That hasn't been addressed yet?

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:49 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:45 pm And how do you know it?

Damn you haven't played with me in a long time have you?

1. Wolf Kate would not be this in your face.
2. I'm right.
3. I know zenon way better than you do, I'm sure of that.
4. I'm right.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:47 pm Mafia team is Zenon and robyn. Let's move this along please.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:09 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:33 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:31 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:25 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:22 pm Epi looks to be partnered if Neon flips red

is it really that easy sometimes?

Why the need to untie the wagons? Why not vote Epi if she's been TR Rem at that point? What kind of interactions does she have w/ Epi?




Yeah, sometimes it is that easy

Rand is anti town

Rand is strictly not anti town if you enable a 50/50 between a w and t where it was just a t going over previously though...

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:31 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:25 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:22 pm Epi looks to be partnered if Neon flips red

is it really that easy sometimes?

Why the need to untie the wagons? Why not vote Epi if she's been TR Rem at that point? What kind of interactions does she have w/ Epi?




Yeah, sometimes it is that easy

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:31 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:08 pm A quick read of Sean shows Epi, Guillo and pyxxy.

I trust zenon and I respect Sean's play, like a lot. So I'm sticking with guillo.

I'm scared of hammer but I'm there in spirit?

if you're bored, you can read your slot's opinions on Guillo, which was a townread

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:02 pm @Zenon I read you. Extremely clearly civ zenon. Come back I'll mason with you sugarpop.

Imma sheep zenon.
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