The Syndicate

I almost forgot this game existed even though I registered to the discord server. Great way to make a debut on this forum smh tbh.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:37 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:27 pm what's your experience, read accuracy, and strengths/weaknesses as mafia and town @Spacedaisy @Epignosis
I’m better mafia than town because everyone thinks I’m suspicious all the time anyway. The way I think about things tends to not be like most people so what is just my normal suspicions don’t make sense to others. For the first year I played I was almost always killed but the civ vig when I was town. So I don’t think my read accuracy is much to write home about. I think I can take my town meta pretty easily as mafia though so I don’t know how much that helps you. I’ll look up a couple meta game examples for you in a minute.

I am more of an intuitive player, if the posts get crazy out of hand, I will struggle to keep up. I will never reach that 100 post cap. Also, I’m a slow starter. It takes me a minute to get my feet under me, but my activity increases as we go because I gain confidence. Not much of a shit poster.

What do you want to know about when you ask what my experience is? How long I’ve been playing?

This seems like a genuine answer to me and that makes it slightly town.

I got unexpected trouble on weekend, but now I am fully able to play. I will analyze every post, every player and every vote that has been cast. You can expect results later today

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:49 pm Flavor? Never heard of her!

In the night! In alphabetical order:

@MartinGG99 has died. They flip town.

@Ruri has died. They flip town.

In addition, @Jackofhearts2005 has been warned by the AtE Policy for the following post:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:26 pm I can barely fucking dribble a basketball get out of here with that shit.
Be careful owo

Flips will update after approximately 24 hours.

D2 starts in 10 minutes and is 48 hours long. Day action deadline is one hour before eod.

There will be an announcement for a d2 event coming soon.

Spoiler: show
@ Boquise
@ Dolby
@ Dyslexicon
@ Epignosis
@ Jackofhearts2005
@ lucy
@ Moonwink
@ Ricochet
@ Spacedaisy
@ TonyStarkPrime
@ Violet

Can anyone more familiar with the site confirm if violations against AtE policy are brought up in the thread like this? At first I didn't think about it, but considering the theme of the game, this might be related to a some in game ability.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:53 am
Violet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:29 am
Can anyone more familiar with the site confirm if violations against AtE policy are brought up in the thread like this? At first I didn't think about it, but considering the theme of the game, this might be related to a some in game ability.
Dunno how Nanook enforces AtE policy in other games, but it's probably ability-related, given the theme of this game.

Town, wolf, indy ability, though?

This reply does raise concern as it is quite clear the ability is related to the "staff" ie. the wolves in this game. Town has AtE as their theme, so if ou had a town role, you'd know the power belongs to wolves.

As wolves you would also know the power belongs to wolves though. However, as a wolf you could miss that town could easily figure out to who this ability belongs as you don't actually have to do any of the figuring out.

Violet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:15 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:53 am
Violet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:29 am
Can anyone more familiar with the site confirm if violations against AtE policy are brought up in the thread like this? At first I didn't think about it, but considering the theme of the game, this might be related to a some in game ability.
Dunno how Nanook enforces AtE policy in other games, but it's probably ability-related, given the theme of this game.

Town, wolf, indy ability, though?
This reply does raise concern as it is quite clear the ability is related to the "staff" ie. the wolves in this game. Town has AtE as their theme, so if ou had a town role, you'd know the power belongs to wolves.

As wolves you would also know the power belongs to wolves though. However, as a wolf you could miss that town could easily figure out to who this ability belongs as you don't actually have to do any of the figuring out.

Ehh, never mind. The flipped role of Dolby proves that mafia are not staff.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 4:24 pm @Violet You know what's funny? I've already caught both you and Rico. But we can pretend I haven't for a while.

I love you too Dizzy <3

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:52 pm Alignment wise, I'm not quite sure I feel better about Lucy after this interaction. But I do like her/you a lot!

Lucy does not feel here like a wolf who just had their teammate shot on D2. I would say that does make her look better.

Here's my current opinions ordered:

Spacedaisy
Lucy

Epignosis
Boquise

----- POE-----

TonyStarkPrime

Dyslexicon
Moonwink
Ricochet

Spacedaisy has felt town right from the beginning, and Lucy feels town to me as well.

Epi and Boq have had takes which I agree with, and I think their solving is on the right track. However, I do not get the same "pure" feel that I get from SpaceDaisy and Lucy.

TSP advocated for Dolby's elim from D1 and pushed Jack to blast Dolby. Dolby's role was not very strong, so there is a chance a wolf with stronger role could push Dolby to get credit. Also, even though TSP did take strong stance on Dolby, he did not push it that strongly and he voted other players.

Dizzy, Moonwink and Rico are the one's I don't get towny feels from. Will focus on those three more tomorrow. While Dizzy is townier than the rest here, I also respect Dizzy's range more.

Even though Dizzy is low on the list, I would not advocate eliminating him rn, as I feel he will be solvable on D3. What do you guys think of Dizzy?

With Moonwink being town, I think the wolves will be found in Rico, TSP and Dizzy. I would prioritize Rico over TSP.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 5:32 pm
Violet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 5:24 pm With Moonwink being town, I think the wolves will be found in Rico, TSP and Dizzy. I would prioritize Rico over TSP.
Why? You had a more concrete read on TSP than Dizzy or me.

Do you think TSP was bussing Dolby? That's the main question here. Right now I would not rule it as impossible, but I do not think it is the easiest explanation.

Some call me the loverizer. They are mistaken, as I am much more like a hostage taker. I pair myself with a player I suspect is a wolf and if wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own. If I used my powers succesfully that is.

Currently I think Rico and Dizzy are the likeliest wolves. Boq started to trouble me a bit after TSP's flip, but that slot doesn't require solving any longer.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:37 pm
Violet wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:32 pm Some call me the loverizer. They are mistaken, as I am much more like a hostage taker. I pair myself with a player I suspect is a wolf and if wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own. If I used my powers succesfully that is.

Currently I think Rico and Dizzy are the likeliest wolves. Boq started to trouble me a bit after TSP's flip, but that slot doesn't require solving any longer.
Please explain the following:

1. How you expect potential mafia gonna kill you when they know they are loverized with you for the night?
(1.5 How mafia gonna kill you when you when you basically have done nothing this game)
(1.75 How am I the best target for your night action here?)

2. You see me and Rico as wolves together? Please expand.

1./1.5 The nightkill aspects was unlikely, but we are loveriziedn this dayphase as well. Since wolves might need one more miselim, and I am self aware enough to note that I would be rather easy push today, I decided to take an insurance for the chance that I'm killed today. If I die, town loses only if we both are town.

2. They way you started pairing me an Rico together and the fact that you've been pushing me made me think your preferred wincon as wolf is to eliminate me today, but as a backup build connection between me and your wolfbuddy Rico so that you can eliminate me after Rico if necessary.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:17 pm @Violet I know you're a finalist and all but how competent are you and what's your read accuracy like

I have lost six champs games in a row now despite being finalist. I am better at finding town than I am finding wolves though.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:14 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:09 pm Me and Violet had a loverized chat for N3. I need to know if anyone had the power to make that. I asked @Violet if he made it, but he didn't answer that and was barely present with no game content. Violet, if you're ever town here, you got to show it like never before.

@lucy Last day you said you had the intuition (or whatever) that there was mafia between me and Rico. You're probably right about that, as I said. I need you to explain where this view comes from. And I very much need you to explain why you chose to not vote Rico with your whole spiel about me catching mafia or being mafia. What thoughts on your mind took precedence enough to make you vote TSP?
I think I made the same mistake not killing into you/rico, however I think due to 3 ML's in a row and the boq nk where he TR rico, you might be scum lmao

although bc I am educated on mafia theory directly accusing you is worthless, so I will not directly argue or anything, but you're my current suspicion

also I am really dead inside because of my outrageous blunder earlier and I have to reread thread, and it's kinda hard to focus

@Dyslexicon @Violet question: why did boq die over daisy and epig and me

I think you raise a valid point.

I don't think you'd raise this point as a wolf.

Of those two I would say Epig is more likely wolf than Daisy.

I'm now caught up. I do not think Lucy is the right kill here, so I will put my vote on Rico.

Honestly, I would prefer blowing up both me and Dizzy over chopping Lucy.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:20 pm Oh. Violet is here.

When he was needed the most, he didn't arrive. He arrived just before closing when the party was almost over.

Anyways, why do you think no one has strongly advocated for pushing both of us? Two elims for the price of one is a good deal, especially when neither of us is really trusted here.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:11 pm Why doesn't "As town, the role would be used to loverize with someone you think is mafia" not make "a lot of sense". That was my exoneration point for Violet role being town all along.

Normally this would be a horrible way to use the role, but since I believed wolves would attempt to push me today, that's the kind of use I found for the role. Would just be fun and chaotic to use the role counterintuitive, and I love those kind of shenanigans in games like this <3

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:27 pm @Violet Do you still think I'm mafia? You know, the mafia multi shot vig that gave up his role. Cause that's definitely a thing.

Right now I am bothered by the fact that no one really went for the "two for the price of one deal" with chopping lovers. I thought that could mean I was really right with my quess, but giving up that role would not make much sense for a wolf to be honest.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:28 pm I don't understand Violet preferring to "be removed with Dizzy for not being trusted" and then voting an option that won't make that happen.

I said I would prefer that love chopping Lucy who at that time was the top elim.

Violet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:22 pm I'm now caught up. I do not think Lucy is the right kill here, so I will put my vote on Rico.

Honestly, I would prefer blowing up both me and Dizzy over chopping Lucy.

Order of preference: Rico > Me + Dizzy >>>> Lucy

Daisy
Lucy
Dizzy / Epog
Rico

From town to wolf.

*Epig

I could see w! Dizzy bussing Rico. Dizzy/Rico pair would have wanted to eliminate me on D3, but because I loverized Dizzy, this would have resulted in Dizzy dying as well. Rico would have always lost the final three against Daisy, Lucy or Epig.

I want to consider other options as well. Sleep could be the mechanically correct play, unless abilities can affect the game.

I could loverize someone with me the next day so you guys can have a more confident vote somewehere, but that doesn't really help me nail the final wolf.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:03 am Dizzy is the only one I trust. If I were to live to tomorrow, I would have to seriously reconsider that trust because I don't know why else I would still be alive unless Dizzy was keeping me around because I'm pocketed. It's like the last F3 I was in. I said to myself if Cape is still alive, I'd have to ask myself why, then someone protected Cape and got me all confused. Meeehhh.

I believe it is either lucy or violet and I don't know which. Here is why:

Lucy could have voted Rico last time when she cast her first vote. She chose to vote Dizzy instead. If it's lucy she could have clinched the game by getting either Dizzy or violet chopping.

Rico would not place a vote for Dizzy, and I can only guess it was because he knew Violet stood a much higher chance of surviving in f3 than he did. Chopping Dizzy would have chopped Violet though, so he wouldn't want to vote there. Chopping lucy he had no problem with.

I don't know which of you it is though. I need more information, thus voting sleep. I assume Violet has not loverized anyone else or they would have said so by now.

I'd vote Sleep as well.

Me loverizing Dizzy but voting Rico would not make sense in a world where I'm wolf I think. Loverizing would set me up as elim instead of Rico, and I woul nog have pivoted the votes to Rico.

After considering things, I think we should elim today. I used the wording of my ability to avoid being loverized last night, but I won't be able to do it today. This would mean that wolves killing me next night results in town losing. If I miss my shot as loverizer and loverize a town, this would also result in a world where town loses if wolves kill the loverized target. This is a too high risk. Now that this info is up, we should definitely kill today.

Looking at votecounts from yesterday, the theory that Lucy was wolf getting chopped at the start of the day and by my and Dizzy's intervention Rico got chopped instead as a wolf seems plausible.

Chopping Lucy is my preferred option now that I've read Dizzy's case.

I just remembered that one post of Lucy where she posted screenshots of MU champs Season 8 finale with votecounts. I think Lucy believes wolves win by bussing, and I could see her asking to be bussed.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:07 pm
Violet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:39 pm After considering things, I think we should elim today. I used the wording of my ability to avoid being loverized last night, but I won't be able to do it today. This would mean that wolves killing me next night results in town losing. If I miss my shot as loverizer and loverize a town, this would also result in a world where town loses if wolves kill the loverized target. This is a too high risk. Now that this info is up, we should definitely kill today.
Is it possible for you to share how your role can work some nights and not others? Or can't you share that?

It doesn't much matter. Just confused me a bit.

I choose the target during the day, not during the night. Yesterday I targeted Rico, so I did not get paired. If we vote Sleep, I cannot do the same trick.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:39 pm This is really fucking annoying. Now I come down to whether or not to believe Violet here regarding their role.

On D2 I responded to a Dizzy's post with a heart. On D3 I did the same to Rico. That's how I have to select the players I loverize on day.

I was not required to loverize anyone D1.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:55 pm Whatever, I'll just claim since we can't get to N4

I'm a limited parity cop essentially. I don't get my result until N4, so it's not useful until D5. I have a check out on whether lucy and rico are the same or different alignments. That's why sleep was my choice. But now Violet's claim about their role makes it pointless. I don't fucking know who the last wolf is for certain, but I would have tomorrow, which is why I am so annoyed right now.

That's really unfortunate :/

Still, I think the risk would have been too high if I had not brought it up as we could lose if a) I don't loverize the last wolf and b) me or the the target dies (2/3 odds).

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:05 pm
Violet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:03 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:55 pm Whatever, I'll just claim since we can't get to N4

I'm a limited parity cop essentially. I don't get my result until N4, so it's not useful until D5. I have a check out on whether lucy and rico are the same or different alignments. That's why sleep was my choice. But now Violet's claim about their role makes it pointless. I don't fucking know who the last wolf is for certain, but I would have tomorrow, which is why I am so annoyed right now.
That's really unfortunate :/

Still, I think the risk would have been too high if I had not brought it up as we could lose if a) I don't loverize the last wolf and b) me or the the target dies (2/3 odds).
Yeah, I think so.

I mean, you could've claimed that your role was optional. However, that would just be a huge risk and I understand why you didn't.

I did consider that and wanted to go with that, but right now I feel like I would be the most likely nightkill next night as you are certain I'm town.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:14 pm
Violet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:12 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:07 pm
Violet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:39 pm After considering things, I think we should elim today. I used the wording of my ability to avoid being loverized last night, but I won't be able to do it today. This would mean that wolves killing me next night results in town losing. If I miss my shot as loverizer and loverize a town, this would also result in a world where town loses if wolves kill the loverized target. This is a too high risk. Now that this info is up, we should definitely kill today.
Is it possible for you to share how your role can work some nights and not others? Or can't you share that?

It doesn't much matter. Just confused me a bit.
I choose the target during the day, not during the night. Yesterday I targeted Rico, so I did not get paired. If we vote Sleep, I cannot do the same trick.
I see. That makes sense.

Well, I'm positive that you are town, at least. So win or lose together ig.

Have you looked over any interaction with the dead mafia and Daisy, or Daisy's posts?

I did check how Daisy interacted and voted on D3. I do not think it resembles a world where Daisy and Rico are both wolves.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:53 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:50 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:47 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:45 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:40 pm fine I'm being unnecessarily contrarian and you did drop Ruri's role
I'll drop my tinfoil
I do not understand nor did I expect this reaction.

All I'm saying is that if you are in fact town, and if that should have any weight on me, you need to actually show it and put in the work. Cause I really could not give two shits about losing the game to a weird w!Daisy world if you're not willing to do any leg work or communicate.
how clear is violet/daisy to u, give respective percentages and I'll case accordingly
I mean. Honestly. Violet about 99 % clear and Daisy about 89 % clear. So it's tough if you're town here.
ignore everything that came before, u all joined in on voting me/rico and I got no credit for voting rico bc I was asleep, a super logical conclusion I'm mafia because of that eod lol, super annoyed at that and idk what happened since I still haven't read it

Just in case <3

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:20 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:19 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:17 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:14 pm I tried to make this a fun kinda silly game, hopefully you guys enjoyed it and it wasn't too frustrating for anyone!
Cool setup. Lots of action and the right amount of silly imo.
What did my and Rico's N1 action do?

I found out I should continue my mafia break =p
But that was not because of the game or the players. That was all A+ tbh tbh
You made tsp's action strong for the night

He didn't act tho
TSP getting a cop role that we boost and taking no action is the fantasy I'm here for =p

That's second only to me loverizing you and killing us both.

Good game everyone, I think this is the right time for me to take a break of mafia. Playing every two years in champs is enough of excitement

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