The Syndicate

Well played Chelsea! You brought it home against tough odds. Thanks for keeping on top of everything mods.

It was fun playing with you folks. Time for me to fade out...

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:44 pm
Mungbean wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:40 pm What is your favourite song by the artist you randed?
I randed never gonna give you up

What is your favourite song by the artist you randed?

Underrated gem.

This is my favourite song of all time.

How do you share Spotify inserts like that?

I may be paranoid, but I am not android.

God loves his children, God loves his children, yeah.

The panic, the vomit, the panic, the vomit.

The crackle of pigskin, the dust and the screaming, the yuppies networking.

That's it sir, you're leaving.

Rain down, rain down, come on rain down on me.

Why don't you remember my name? Of with his head, man.

Kicking, squealing, Gucci little piggies.

Ambition makes you look pretty ugly.

When I am King you will be first against the wall, with your opinions which are of no consequence at all.

What's this?

Please can you stop the noise, I'm trying to get some rest from all the unborn chicken voices in my head.

[VOTE: UNVOTE] aubergine

If a deception has led to me being seen visiting Colin then it's not Schiavetto seemingly.

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:36 pm
Mungbean wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:28 pm I would have had no shortage of options for posts to send the mods w/r/t roleclaims tonight, JFC.
Had? Past-tense?

Are you planning on not being alive?

Not planning so much as expecting.

I would have had no shortage of options for posts to send the mods w/r/t roleclaims tonight, JFC.

IBA wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:20 pm
Mungbean wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:19 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:10 pm So Mungbean, you couldn’t have sent a post where someone said “I’m not scum” because that was alignment related?
That is correct. I'm basically a rolecop that relies on public claims.
What post from day 1 of Colin's did you quote

Scroll up.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:10 pm So Mungbean, you couldn’t have sent a post where someone said “I’m not scum” because that was alignment related?

That is correct. I'm basically a rolecop that relies on public claims.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:21 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:17 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:36 am BTW I’m Kate Bush and 3P
Are you running up the hills to say that?

Anyway what is your wincon if you're 3p and what was your intentions of posting this?
My wincon is to learn what people’s roles are or something. My intentions of posting this were to see what would happen

This was the post I sent to the mods FWIW.

Oh wow, that doesn't look good for me at all. I don't think my roleclaim is going to help much either, especially as I didn't even target Chelsea on N2.

I am the Paranoid Android AKA 2-shot lie-detector. I can post any text relating to roleclaims (so basically a more limited rolecop) given in-thread to the mods and they will tell me if it's true/false. I don't learn alignment, however. I didn't use it N1. I wanted to use it on Creature but they died. N2 I decided to use it to test Colin's claim about his wincon and it came back true. That's why I've been quite defensive of Colin. I have no idea how I can have been viewed visiting Chelsea when I visited Colin though.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:36 am I don't know how people don't get burnt out? I played too many games since may. It's been 6 months.

Brain is fried

I see that I'm leading the vote-count and haven't yet read why but I had to just respond to this quickly. I got SO burned out on mafia that I literally didn't play for 8 years... until now. And I can already remember why it was so mentally taxing.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:23 am Jumping in real quick to say:

The cop result is an Town result on Sabi.

Welcome to the clear pool fufu

That's good to know. I can discard any lingering suspicion I had about Sabi pushing for a Colin lynch.

If you could vote today, who would you be voting for?

[VOTE: Schiavetto] aubergine

I want to hear more from this player and they towards the top of my shitlist.

Quick summary list of where I'm at following that:

<Most townie>
DeeZees - Confirmed watcher
Chelsea - Turned the tide on Guillo and has been voteblocked in the night
Sabiplz - Most active pusher of Guillo wagon
LordQuas - First on the Guillo wagon
WindwardAway - Solid contributions this day phase and able to verify watcher claim
risiinq - Also reading town to me in this day phase
DaughterOfOmega - Chaotic behaviour but somehow rings true. Not ruling out possibility that they are 3P (possibly with other ability/modifier)
Valentine - Late Guillo vote felt bandwagonish. Another possible 3P candidate more than scum given vote-cancelling ability and Chelsea getting vote cancelled in the night.
IBA - Wish-washy reads today that don't vibe with mine.
Inawordyes - Feels like they changed their playstyle following suspicion D1 and again I don't like their reads in this day phase.
Le petit poussin (Raskolnikov) - Another bandwagonish Guillo vote potentially and just general bad vibes. Not very comfortable voting for them today due to them being commuted though.
Schiavetto - Very late vote on Guillo and has generally coasted. Get no town vibes from their posts really.
<Most scummy>

<Most Colin>
ColinIsCool - I believe his role function as stated and don't think they pose an imminent threat

The first part of my IAWY ISO got cut off, dang. I was saying that they went to great lengths in their falcon read on D1 and then seemingly abandoned it without much explanation, leaving a nothing vote on LordQuas for "vibes". This came after Strawhenge cast suspicion on them for trying to hard so I think it's possible they may have adapted their approach accordingly.

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:45 pm
IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:02 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:23 pm As it stands, I don't think I can justify a vote on Falcon any longer, so [VOTE: Unvote] aubergine for now

Quas, LeRaskol and DoOm are three people who stick out for not sticking out (IYKYK), but right now I would like to hear more from DoOm as I know you the least
"Lurking is scum" doesn't seem like it warrants commentary like (ikyk)

"I don't think I can justify a vote on person the wagon isn't moving on any longer" is an interesting phrasing/way to view that situation. Do you think there should be momentum on them or not?
Lurking is scum" is not what that post is saying, and those who do know what I'm saying know what I mean, and I will leave it at that until and unless it becomes more pronounced and/or relevant later

I am not interested in talking about Falcon at this time

As for this day phase... well obviously I'm not a huge fan of them going after me but I could at least see some logic behind the casing. I was less enamoured with them pushing Chelsea as I think there's good reason to think they're town (not limited to the Guillo lynch). So in general I don't like their reads and would lean scum based on the way they've approached the game to this point.

I'm not too sure what to make of IBA. They have a very blunt (if not outright rude) playstyle that irks me but that isn't AI. I didn't like their post which led to Strawhenge leaving. Partly because I really wanted to play with Strawhenge (one of the only people I know here) and partly because mafia doesn't it doesn't hurt to be a bit more kind.

IBA wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:48 pm
Valentine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:46 pm Yes im jester.
Cool

Let's kill her

I don't know what to make of this. IBA continued to believe Val was the jester and continued to believe, in all earnest, that we should lynch them too. I mean... what?

In this day phase IBA was part of the early-bird group that rallied around a Colin lynch, going so far as to place a vote. I'm increasingly sceptical that EVERYONE involved in that was town so, yeah, I'm definitely going back to review that sequence.

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:36 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:32 am
IBA wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:19 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:51 am Mungbean pushing me is pretty opportunistic
Nah it’s dumb but towny levels of paranoid imo. I like his posts today

Chelsea I’m finally getting a vibe from but the vibes are bad

Risinq continues to feel like an empty presence

Still on phone tho

Also good morning y’all
What do you think of Chelsea's reads today?
I got vaguely wolf vibes but I’d have to go back to pick out what posts exactly. Will do in a minute when I get on my pc

I'd be interested if you revisited this @IBA.

Separately I can't agree that risiing feels like an empty presence at all, even before I ISO'd them. They'd been one of the most vocal in this day phase so that read seems odd, could you elaborate.

Overall read on IBA is somewhere in the middle, but not a townie-read.

DZ I had as a tr on D1, in part because they were on the Creature wagon with me.

They also went along with the brief Colin push at the start of this phase. I may go and look at that sequence in isolation because I can understand the root of confusion, but there may be something there after all.

Roleclaim of watcher. Has this been definitively verified? I haven't seen any pushback. If so, obviously feeling pretty good about DZ. The drunk play is what it is, I think they feel pretty comfortable as a "confirmed town" player. Pretty near the top of my townreads.

Again not too much to pick out of risiinq from D1. The timezone factor means they weren't really around to say/do anything revealing at EoD.

I like this post for some reason:

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:27 am actual reads - town list:
- sabi
- dz (?)
- schia
- quas
- manny
- IBA
- nutella

^^^

had this during n1 and i literally just flopped n2

2 ded

iba sabi and dz i still believe

wind is prob town, i heard there's some mech stuff abt that too in the past few pages, i'll read that later but i think wind is town anyways

schia idk

quas idk

I can't explain but it feels authentic that risiinq had a townlist in N1 that looked something like that, I saw nothing in their D1 posting to contradict it.

I like her posts this day phase. After not really noticing Windward or risiinq much on D1 it feels like they've been driving a lot of the discussion since in a constructive manner. Generally town-reading both of them. Wanted to start with those as they're both online.

Nothing especially noteworthy in WindwardAway's D1 participation. The biggest mark I have against their name is that they were pushing Colin at the start of this day phase. I can buy that they misinterpreted/misread Colin's role because I remember the discussion about "Running Up That Hill" and swapping places, etc.

Outside of that I think their participation in this day phase has been good. They have posted a large volume of rational posts, asking the right questions, not pushing sketchy logic, etc. I have a general tr on them.

I tried to copy-paste from the poll before but it included names of people who'd voted too. Right, these are the five I need to take a closer look at, JFC.

DeeZees (DrZeus)
IBA
Inawordyes
risiinq-
WindwardAway

What the hell is that shortlist I posted? There's mad duplicates. Let me just start again.

Oh, and IBA. Add them.

Shortlist of players I need to look closer at starting now:

DeeZees (DrZeus)
Inawordyes
risiinq-
DeeZees
Inawordyes
risiinq-
WindwardAway

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:22 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:16 am
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:13 am Yeah vote me then

I helped mafia win, it feels nice
If you knew your role targeted the lowest poster in the game, and you also seemed very aware that it was pretty much always going to be town, why did you shoot? You said some stuff about being anti-town and not being able to holster, I could maybe understand that it was part of a bluff to make people think you can still kill, but I don't get why you, as town, killed when you seemed to know you'd hit town anyway.
in post game maybe they can give you access to my night action chat. I knew i was likely killing town, and jokingly thought I could roleplay as SK. I play this game for fun.

I made my decisions because I like roles. I haven't played mafia on my main in a very long time, and I like being vig. Shooting low posters is helpful because most of the time they just fly under the radar as mafia.

Oof, I really wish you'd just come in and claimed to be 2-shot at the start and provided this rationale. I assume everyone here plays this game for fun, but winning the game is part of the fun. I did think that was a ridiculous town role if it was unlimited.

I don't think Daughter is likely to be scum. Still possibly 3P (in which case still possibly unlimited shot) as we only have two of the 3P roles accounted for (Colin and the Creature-snatcher).

Good morning. Feel like I focussed way too much attention on the Guillo lynch and search for a bandwagoner yesterday (though I retain my suspicions about Le petit; Valentine; and Schiavetto for that).

Going to be broadening my search today.

[8] Guillotine: LordQuas, Chelsea, Sabiplz, Manny, nutella, Le petit poussin, Valentine, Schiavetto

Returning to the Guillo wagon for some more thoughts. I've tried to order the votes chronologically but I don't think this is 100% accurate. The last three are, however, and all occurred in the last hour of voting.

LordQuas, Chelsea, and Sabiplz get a pass from me for now as they were clearly pushing that lynch and while I don't rule out the possibility of bussing, it would be odd to bus your extra-kill Godfather on Day 1 when there were ample alternative wagons.

I think I've already commented on Le petit poussin and Valentine. Schiavetto had a town-read on Guillo before being the final person to hop on that wagon near EoD so they join my list of people potentially seeking townie brownie points.

Do you not have to make your vote in-thread using the bolded vote text on here? I went and back and tried to chart the evolution of the Guillo lynch chronologically but it seems like some of the voters didn't do this.

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:23 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:45 am Ngl IAWY is my prime suspect for vote cancelling Chelsea but I don't really know if that tells us anything
I didn’t have an action last night

@WindwardAway - Why did/do you believe IAWY vote-cancelled Chelsea last night? I agree that would be highly suspect if true.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:16 am
risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:16 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:55 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:53 am I think Sabi is town as I said before and I'm not moving my stance
I also thing Mung is town, but not as clear as Sabi
*think
can u explain this?
About Mung or Sabi? Both reads are based on their content in the thread but I'm starting to have doubts on Mung because I don't understand their Sabi read.

For the record, I never stated I had a scum read on Sabi exactly. What I stated was that pursuing a lynch of Colin, with all the information we have, at the expense of seeking to lynch a scum player was not a good look. If it weren't for Sabi's push on the Guillo lynch I might have a scum-read on them - as I said that push undeniably counts in their favour. I don't think it "clears" them however.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:22 am Also, that still doesn't solve the issue of killing someone before they've had a chance to speak
And I thought that was the one reason you didn't like the idea of voting out poussin today
But you're fine with letting him eat the kill from the compulsive slank vig of questionable alignment?

I would be more amenable to them dying under those circumstances as we would still have the opportunity to lynch somebody else + the low-volume poster dying would be less of a random affair. I get the sense a scum team could ensure their post count is up to snuff by encouraging/reminding each other whereas a townie is more likely to forget.

The thing I go back to with Daughter is... why claim in-thread if they're a 3P? Why not just sit back and coast?

@DaughterOfOmega Can you clarify with the mods if your role would include Le petit poussin for this day phase? I would assume not, but it would solve a big problem if it did.

Right, I need to go and make some lunch so I'll be mentally arranging you folks into naughty and nice columns over some grub for a bit.

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