Anniversary Game 2 - Moozik [MAFIA WIN]

[Creature]

I don't think DrZeus is drunk fwiw. it is getting interesting lol.

Also someone mentioned this post which felt out of place.

[Schiavetto]

mmmm

weirdvibes from sabi asking me about that right after putting her at the bottom of my list without trying to interact with me about herself.

Why would I interact with you about putting me in the bottom? Just because I'm on the bottom I shouldn't question the daughter read. Literally talks about daughter lack of content before you posted the reads list hence why I questioned your tr of them.

Your arms must hurt from reaching for any reason to sr me.

this felt like a weird escalation

[nutella]

This whole thing feels procedurally generated.

Is this a read?

[Sabiplz]

mmmm

weirdvibes from sabi asking me about that right after putting her at the bottom of my list without trying to interact with me about herself.

Why would I interact with you about putting me in the bottom? Just because I'm on the bottom I shouldn't question the daughter read. Literally talks about daughter lack of content before you posted the reads list hence why I questioned your tr of them.

Your arms must hurt from reaching for any reason to sr me.

this felt like a weird escalation

How is it a weird escalation? I think her sus on me is a reach and seems like she was throwing something against the wall for it to stick.

[Creature]

tbh I was expecting more fire from Sabiplz.

This is all the energy I have since I have other obligations.

I am still trying to sort people and getting their pov.

I thought you were excited this game but then you didn't seem to be pushing anywhere.

[Schiavetto]

3P Kate Bush claimed Friendly Neighbor, right? Did she ever follow up w/ more explanation besides the whole role-hunting wincon? Afaik Friendly Neighbor is a necessarily town role.

[Inawordyes]

D1 feelings so far, about half way through the phase:

bad vibes:
pyxxy (is where I would put myself rn)

entirely unironically, pyxxy is very townie for including themselves in their own readslist and being self-aware enough to throw themselves into the scumlean pile. People always want to get up in arms about it, but I've rarely-if-ever seen it actually come from someone who randed mafia

[Creature]

So far I feel the most good about Schiavetto and Strawengels.

[DaughterOfOmega]

I think Cape Quas Sabipls Falcon are town

[Inawordyes]

As it stands, I don't think I can justify a vote on Falcon any longer, so [VOTE: Unvote] aubergine for now

Quas, LeRaskol and DoOm are three people who stick out for not sticking out (IYKYK), but right now I would like to hear more from DoOm as I know you the least

[nutella]

Anyway, Creature, since you seem so bored again, I'll try to excite you.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

That usually has the opposite effect. Try wagoning an actual wolf.

This aint it

[DaughterOfOmega]

As it stands, I don't think I can justify a vote on Falcon any longer, so [VOTE: Unvote] aubergine for now

Quas, LeRaskol and DoOm are three people who stick out for not sticking out (IYKYK), but right now I would like to hear more from DoOm as I know you the least

You know me the least? Is this actually true

[nutella]

Creature is OFF

[Guillotine]

If I see someone trying to push someone based on how awk they are I'm shutting that down because that's such a weak excuse and screams pushing LHF for no reason cause you can't think of a good excuse.

The only time someone can be pushed for being awk and its wolfy is if their meta is so polarizing that you can figure out if they're town or wolf based off like 10 posts and I doubt anyone fits that bill

Interesting white knighting here.



Do you have specific examples you've observed in this game, or is this just a blanket warning?

Falcon is town

[Guillotine]

This site is pissing me off, it’s logging me out every time i post even when i select “remember me”. I’ll be back later

[Inawordyes]

As it stands, I don't think I can justify a vote on Falcon any longer, so [VOTE: Unvote] aubergine for now

Quas, LeRaskol and DoOm are three people who stick out for not sticking out (IYKYK), but right now I would like to hear more from DoOm as I know you the least

You know me the least? Is this actually true

Do you go by a different name? Because I don't know who DaughterOfOmega is

[Inawordyes]

Nutella I find it kinda funny that we both saw pyxxy's readslist and had completely different reads-takeaways from the self-awareness of the self-inclusion

Are we just destined to be diametrically opposed on every read this game?

[Schiavetto]

mmmm

weirdvibes from sabi asking me about that right after putting her at the bottom of my list without trying to interact with me about herself.

Why would I interact with you about putting me in the bottom? Just because I'm on the bottom I shouldn't question the daughter read. Literally talks about daughter lack of content before you posted the reads list hence why I questioned your tr of them.

Your arms must hurt from reaching for any reason to sr me.

this felt like a weird escalation

How is it a weird escalation? I think her sus on me is a reach and seems like she was throwing something against the wall for it to stick.

Yeah 'weird' is me being imprecise

I guess on skim it just stuck out to me as like, kind of an abrupt tone shift in the interaction from a reading standpoint? Not the content or even the suggestion of Val reaching, but it did feel zero-to-20-to-60

[Schiavetto]

This site is pissing me off, it’s logging me out every time i post even when i select “remember me”. I’ll be back later

My soulmate.

[Sabiplz]

tbh I was expecting more fire from Sabiplz.

This is all the energy I have since I have other obligations.

I am still trying to sort people and getting their pov.

I thought you were excited this game but then you didn't seem to be pushing anywhere.

Why does everyone assume I'm excited about every game? I was just recruiting heavily for marmot since he needed help.

Also the person I really want to push said he won't be around for 24 hours.

[nutella]

quick stop&jot

-feel decent abt nut, chels, quas, straw
-would be fine w/ snow, petit (Rask? Raskol???? i guess?????) chops for the time being
-have liked some cape but have felt variously sympathetic to some Less Enthused attitudes toward slot so eh
-conversation around pagecount/threadvolume is blegh
-every daughter post makes me groan, someone w/ an alignment read on them ping me & Help Me To See one way or the other maybe

I thought snow/risiinq seemed alright.

got the impression she was uncomfy in thread

Hm this is a new one

[Schiavetto]

Creature my heart is too big to fit in your pocket

[Sabiplz]

mmmm

weirdvibes from sabi asking me about that right after putting her at the bottom of my list without trying to interact with me about herself.

Why would I interact with you about putting me in the bottom? Just because I'm on the bottom I shouldn't question the daughter read. Literally talks about daughter lack of content before you posted the reads list hence why I questioned your tr of them.

Your arms must hurt from reaching for any reason to sr me.

this felt like a weird escalation

How is it a weird escalation? I think her sus on me is a reach and seems like she was throwing something against the wall for it to stick.

Yeah 'weird' is me being imprecise

I guess on skim it just stuck out to me as like, kind of an abrupt tone shift in the interaction from a reading standpoint? Not the content or even the suggestion of Val reaching, but it did feel zero-to-20-to-60

That's the sabi experience unfortunately

[Schiavetto]

mmmm

weirdvibes from sabi asking me about that right after putting her at the bottom of my list without trying to interact with me about herself.

Why would I interact with you about putting me in the bottom? Just because I'm on the bottom I shouldn't question the daughter read. Literally talks about daughter lack of content before you posted the reads list hence why I questioned your tr of them.

Your arms must hurt from reaching for any reason to sr me.

this felt like a weird escalation

How is it a weird escalation? I think her sus on me is a reach and seems like she was throwing something against the wall for it to stick.

Yeah 'weird' is me being imprecise

I guess on skim it just stuck out to me as like, kind of an abrupt tone shift in the interaction from a reading standpoint? Not the content or even the suggestion of Val reaching, but it did feel zero-to-20-to-60

That's the sabi experience unfortunately

[Schiavetto]

quick stop&jot

-feel decent abt nut, chels, quas, straw
-would be fine w/ snow, petit (Rask? Raskol???? i guess?????) chops for the time being
-have liked some cape but have felt variously sympathetic to some Less Enthused attitudes toward slot so eh
-conversation around pagecount/threadvolume is blegh
-every daughter post makes me groan, someone w/ an alignment read on them ping me & Help Me To See one way or the other maybe

I thought snow/risiinq seemed alright.

got the impression she was uncomfy in thread

Hm this is a new one

Yeah, not sure if I'm taking it to checkout just yet but I figured i'd try it on for a bit & see how it fits

[nutella]

Nutella I find it kinda funny that we both saw pyxxy's readslist and had completely different reads-takeaways from the self-awareness of the self-inclusion

Are we just destined to be diametrically opposed on every read this game?

It was a kneejerk reaction because it seemed so odd to me, but your assessment feels more right to me now lol

[nutella]

We are ready for the siege
We are armed up to the teeth
Be careful how you live and breathe
Release what's broken underneath

[Valentine]

i guess it's like probably never lordquas/cape if only because i don't think when you vote a partner you do it without the reasoning like, explicitly attached because you wanna farm maximum credit

Valentine, how long you’ve been playing Mafia?

A While

[Valentine]

mmmm

weirdvibes from sabi asking me about that right after putting her at the bottom of my list without trying to interact with me about herself.

Why would I interact with you about putting me in the bottom? Just because I'm on the bottom I shouldn't question the daughter read. Literally talks about daughter lack of content before you posted the reads list hence why I questioned your tr of them.

Your arms must hurt from reaching for any reason to sr me.

this felt like a weird escalation

How is it a weird escalation? I think her sus on me is a reach and seems like she was throwing something against the wall for it to stick.

i'm kind of disinterested in drawing out this exchange (something something accusation of backpedaling incoming) because i feel like the root of it is a fundamental... disagreement i guess on how or what wolves should be doing and i know i'm prone to giving people too much credit in like, skill or i guess equating them to how i would play but if i'm ... like accusing you or saying you're off i don't think i would do it like this as a wolf :?

[Valentine]

r.e. my reads list: it does boil down to just feeling that people are 'off' and finding scraps of things in other people that i like more in how they're posting, i don't have the words atm to really describe gut/vibefeels and i think trying to verbalize it when i'm already feeling mmm. like i am being very misunderstood is not that appealing, not to raincheck it or w/e but i feel like it's the classic My Words Make No Sense To People Right Now or i'm making more leaps than i should

(this is going to be taken badly i know, something something excuses but i'm trying to at least be like. transparent. idk!)

[Sabiplz]

I am not going to accuse you of backpedaling.

I just don't get your world view but maybe that's a me problem

[ColinIsCool]

3P Kate Bush claimed Friendly Neighbor, right? Did she ever follow up w/ more explanation besides the whole role-hunting wincon? Afaik Friendly Neighbor is a necessarily town role.

So I looked it up and I think I’m just more of a neighbor or a mason kinda, not friendly neighbor.

[TheFloyd73]

I said, "Better late than never / Just don't make me wait forever"

However @TheFloyd73 will surely be pocketed by your lyric selection.

As someone who just saw Tame Impala last weekend, I kinda am.

[TheFloyd73]

BTW I’m Kate Bush and 3P

...we just ignoring this or

Yeah apparently.

Hey Colin! What's your role?

I think in generic terms it’s a friendly neighbor? Don’t remember all the Mafia lingo and haven’t ever seen a role like this tbh but I think I can prove it later

I mean, the role you get sent shouldn’t really have any lingo in it per se. Should have a more or less straightforward description. Can you elaborate on what your role is?

[TheFloyd73]

I’m bemused that almost whenever I’ve been online it’s been quiet, and when I’m not it’s been words flowing out like endless rain.

[Inawordyes]

I’m bemused that almost whenever I’ve been online it’s been quiet, and when I’m not it’s been words flowing out like endless rain.

change your schedule and git gud tbh

[ColinIsCool]

BTW I’m Kate Bush and 3P

...we just ignoring this or

Yeah apparently.

Hey Colin! What's your role?

I think in generic terms it’s a friendly neighbor? Don’t remember all the Mafia lingo and haven’t ever seen a role like this tbh but I think I can prove it later

I mean, the role you get sent shouldn’t really have any lingo in it per se. Should have a more or less straightforward description. Can you elaborate on what your role is?

I get to talk to people at night

[TheFloyd73]

BTW I’m Kate Bush and 3P

...we just ignoring this or

Yeah apparently.

Hey Colin! What's your role?

I think in generic terms it’s a friendly neighbor? Don’t remember all the Mafia lingo and haven’t ever seen a role like this tbh but I think I can prove it later

I mean, the role you get sent shouldn’t really have any lingo in it per se. Should have a more or less straightforward description. Can you elaborate on what your role is?

I get to talk to people at night

Well, that could mean anything. You could be checking someone else’s alignment. You could have a chat with other 3p. You could have a masons-type role. You could be involved in a mafia chat.

I don’t like how you’re avoiding the question, and running up that hill will only take you so far.

[Sabiplz]

These Kate Bush references lol

[Sabiplz]

Anyway fluff post but I have had this album on repeat all day

[ColinIsCool]

My role is what I said it is. I pick people and talk to them at night. I should be able to demonstrate this barring shenanigans. If you consider this “avoiding” your questions I don’t know what else to tell you.

[Sabiplz]

My role is what I said it is. I pick people and talk to them at night. I should be able to demonstrate this barring shenanigans. If you consider this “avoiding” your questions I don’t know what else to tell you.

Does picking them make you know their role? How does that work?

[ColinIsCool]

My role is what I said it is. I pick people and talk to them at night. I should be able to demonstrate this barring shenanigans. If you consider this “avoiding” your questions I don’t know what else to tell you.

Does picking them make you know their role? How does that work?

No. I think my role would only be confirmed through the other usual means, but I can’t do anything on my own to confirm my alignment, just the function.

[ColinIsCool]

& before anybody tries to tell me who to pick tonight so I can “prove it to the town”: No

[hollowkatt]

Okay so.

Cape is a very strong player. Here he has looked quite solid, giving reads on a wide range of players with some amount of depth and originality. I don't think that's out of his wolf range by any means.

I of course did not like how he jumped on Chelsea's push of me. I don't recall him giving any take on me prior, correct me if I missed it, but it felt like he tagged along with Chelsea pointing out that I had weak pushes early on. I protest that they were any weaker than is warranted in the first few pages of the game but I also protest that Cape cared about this read at all. He didn't follow up with a vote despite it landing me on the bottom of his reads list in 674, with a very noncommittal handwave of my early DZ read (not one of the ones Chelsea cared about afaik, so at least he's contributing something new but it feels forced especially since that was pretty inconsequential first-page stuff). He is self-aware of his hedginess and I actually kind of like that when it appears in his posts. I can relate.

But I particularly found IAWY's placement in that same readlist peculiar as the description sounded almost on the same level as the one of me.

Inawordyes - Someone who I consider to be towny sometimes. Like on #335 with Valentine and him asking about Valentine's read on IAWY. Perhaps overexplainy on something I wouldn't exactly consider AI. Like now with IAWY versus falcon, things took an unexpected personal turn I guess, one that I would never really find alignment indicative. #411 This read on DZ is pretty underwhelming.

Like yes he says "towny sometimes" while the only positive in my blurb is that he "liked the bluntness" but this really goes nowhere. He goes on to state that several things from IAWY are either NAI or underwhelming. Which has about the same level of neutrality as most of the blurb about me except that he was able to latch onto Chelsea's push.

And spoiler alert, I have not felt good about IAWY either.

Rereading the list most of the other placements make sense but this felt so arbitrary to me. If Cape is mafia and knows I'm not, he knows that I'm usually not a very easy push, but the Chelsea pressure may have opened the door to me being a feasible target.

However the primary thought in my head is actually not the idea that Cape/IAWY are w/w. It's actually that Cape is 3P. Cape may very well actually think I am mafia if so. This is a very egotistical part of the read but it's what led me there -- as mafia he'd be less likely to pressure me, because given my meta/reputation if he knows I'm not mafia I am likely to post myself clear. And he brought up 3P factions which is classically >rand 3p lol. I would generally rather hunt mafia primarily over 3p but with 3 of them I don't think we should gloss over their existence.

Maybe this thoughtdump is all nothing and he's town and I'm hedging on that way more in my head but I wanted to get this out there. The IAWY part is kind of a separate thing I tagged on because I haven't loved his thread position and it could fit. I think both Cape and IAWY are getting townreads for simply writing a lot of words and I want to push back on that.

I don't expect this post to be very popular, I don't have a strong conclusion, he could just be town and this is all spitballing. But fuck it I'm hitting post.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
fuck it I'm hitting post.

[ColinIsCool]

I trust and agree with nutella and Strawhenge the most so far.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

[hollowkatt]

to expand something feels off about that nutella post and I can't put my finger on it but I'm trying to. Like earlier nutella said that cape was off for her and wanted to spend some time writing out their thoughts but in a nutshell what the thoughts come down to are "I don't agree with him" and "he jumped on me when Chelsea opened the door" which I don't often seen wolf cape being opportunistic in that way. I also think nutella thinking as much as they are about 3p is wolfy in general and specifically for her as even in large scale games where 3p is really super relevant she's focused on finding wolves, not finding 3p.

Maybe this doesn't make any sense to anyone else but I'm glad it's written down

[hollowkatt]

If I see someone trying to push someone based on how awk they are I'm shutting that down because that's such a weak excuse and screams pushing LHF for no reason cause you can't think of a good excuse.

The only time someone can be pushed for being awk and its wolfy is if their meta is so polarizing that you can figure out if they're town or wolf based off like 10 posts and I doubt anyone fits that bill

Interesting white knighting here.



Do you have specific examples you've observed in this game, or is this just a blanket warning?

I don't think I'm white-knighting anyone here, where exactly did that come from? At the time, I remember some dude called out being awk again and after seeing it at least three times, I started getting fed up with the comment because I feel that's a horrible base for any sort of read as I stated.

It also does serve as a blanket statement although do I really think we're going to push "X" because they're super awk? From the looks of it we're past it so hopefully not.

Did you "shut it down"? I mean, it doesn't even seem like you remember the player it was happening too...did you step in and call an end to the push based off awkwardness?

I like it when you read "bitey", it's indicative that you're interested in figuring things out.

[TheFloyd73]

My role is what I said it is. I pick people and talk to them at night. I should be able to demonstrate this barring shenanigans. If you consider this “avoiding” your questions I don’t know what else to tell you.

Look, I was just asking for you to elaborate, and you responded with something that was open to interpretation. I guess I’ll take your word for it for the time being.

[ColinIsCool]

My role is what I said it is. I pick people and talk to them at night. I should be able to demonstrate this barring shenanigans. If you consider this “avoiding” your questions I don’t know what else to tell you.

Look, I was just asking for you to elaborate, and you responded with something that was open to interpretation. I guess I’ll take your word for it for the time being.

I understand but I don’t know that there’s anything I can do to prove it’s not actually one of the alternatives you mentioned, so if you don’t wanna take my word for it, don’t