The Syndicate

Does anyone thats not J^3 have an independent opinion on Michelle?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:47 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:45 pm I've used the work frank and blunt and been frank and blunt without even prefacing it recently so many times, but I'm gonna need to say again.

I am not appreciating the EoD chaos at the moment. Would love nothing more than to sit with Wilgy/Michelle/Rondo for a day, but unfortunately it feels as if I've been almost deliberately denied that time, even as I know its likely not the case for at least 2/3 of them.

Vote me coward

You're the coward that NK'ed me last game.

I'll probably make a decision at around 5 minutes left, I'm not dealing with this right now, sorry, have your cake and eat it too.

I've used the work frank and blunt and been frank and blunt without even prefacing it recently so many times, but I'm gonna need to say again.

I am not appreciating the EoD chaos at the moment. Would love nothing more than to sit with Wilgy/Michelle/Rondo for a day, but unfortunately it feels as if I've been almost deliberately denied that time, even as I know its likely not the case for at least 2/3 of them.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:37 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:33 pmLOLOLOLOLLOL

Please sustain your concentration, Bereft. What's funny?

Sorry, that was my alter ego, there.
He' was just so overexcited to see Rondo enter the thread claiming to have forgotten its existence completely only to pop-in so close to EOD and make a vote that belies some amount of beforehand reading.

I don't currently have a read on Rondo, or at least, I wouldn't have one out of prudence.

LOLOLOLOLLOL

DM being an alt would explain alot of things, but otherwise, no I don't know what to make of it. The idea that its because they're in BTSC with LC seems only one of many possible explanations.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:23 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:46 pm You claim SVS is performative towards you, but I find you even more performative about not having a read on them because of it.

I could go on, but I'm not going to sit here while you're being actively unhelpful and the easiest explanation is just that you are wolf.

I don't believe you believe half the susses you're throwing out. Its overly uncharitable.


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Have we played a D1 together before? Honest question

We played in Landlord's and I wasn't really bothering at the time.

You claim SVS is performative towards you, but I find you even more performative about not having a read on them because of it.

I could go on, but I'm not going to sit here while you're being actively unhelpful and the easiest explanation is just that you are wolf.

I don't believe you believe half the susses you're throwing out. Its overly uncharitable.


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Yeah, and the only real posting wolf is Scotty, which is why, he's doing all of this.

Its a worldview to rule out, but, its the only worldview that I even have atm.

Yeah, bluntly, I see {DM, Michelle, Seanzie, Rondo, ts acc} and go, "oh thats a bunch of wolves isn't it".

Thunal's fine.
Cape's fine.
Abigail's fine.
Wilgy's wilging.

I think suspecting SVS is imprudent. Ditto for LoRab. So yeah.
If Scotty was unpartnered from people I thought weren't fine, then yeah, I would've reacted, but no.

I would comment on Scotty unpairings if it weren't for the fact that I already resigned myself to there being only 2 mafia that have posted at all.

Look, the last person I know who entered every defense at an angle to make the other person look scummy was scum. Its not not a thing wolves do.

Scotty is having gripes with people for the sake of having gripes with people and if he's town here, it needs to stop ASAP, because I don't see myself townreading the slot if this keeps up.

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:24 am oh fuck, bereft said he’d specifically tr that kind of post, in his post about svs being town

blah, don’t tr it bereft

Oh I see.

Yeah no, I'd never tr that post coming from you. Advanced players get more advanced methods ... or sometimes not.

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:24 am oh fuck, bereft said he’d specifically tr that kind of post, in his post about svs being town

blah, don’t tr it bereft

Don't tr what exactly?

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:20 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:20 am Noted, thanks.

he's more manipulative as town rather than as mafia

True in some respects, yes.

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:19 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:18 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:50 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:45 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:05 pm Your defensiveness over a day 1 read that nobody else agrees with is certainly Intresting though

Your posts are extremely irritating, madam.
Mhm yes, makes 100 posts, gets shaded by a player who admits to not reading any of them critically, yeah I know I'd be so happy after that one, and totally not give in to natural impulses.

How dare I play a mafia game amIrite

@robyn do you think this exchange is in Bereft's range for mafia teammates (i.e., both he and Abigail as mafia)?

I don't actually suspect this, but I have a reason to ask.

i don't think it's in his range as mafia, not just teammates

I'd advise people to not speculate on my mafia game outside the codified aspects of my wolfplay, especially not on an individual lukewarm sarcastic post, and especially not about whether it could be distancing when distancing is the traditional cornerstone of my wolfplay.

Respect my wolfgame please.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:40 am This is the first time I've noticed DM has exactly 3 posts, I could've sworn they had like 5. And its not even the content I assumed they were.

Sorry for faulty memory guys, but that does not deserve the stock I once had. The posts are still fine but sighhhhh.

I recant this post without explanation.

This is the first time I've noticed DM has exactly 3 posts, I could've sworn they had like 5. And its not even the content I assumed they were.

Sorry for faulty memory guys, but that does not deserve the stock I once had. The posts are still fine but sighhhhh.

My game theoretic thought process is this:

The probability of someone just disappearing from the thread is roughly equally likely across alignments. Hence it should not affect the absolute strength of the read I had briefly initially.

I find questions like that to be +ev in general.

I wouldn't post it due to other considerations, but I think they tend to be fun things to say and ask. Too bad too little people really engage.

I was going to ask yall to place bets on which of us 3 is getting NKed but it was ridiculously silly and imprudent.

Thank you robyn for giving the appropriate time and place to allow me to express this.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:42 am Scotty, if you read the post, there is a sentence that ends with a question mark.

You seem very all over the place at the moment and I hate to admit that I'm struggling to parse it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:44 am I'm struggling to follow both Cape and Scotty at present. They're both making a lot of reads, and I really appreciate that. But I don't quite see a thread that allows me to follow their journey. It's like they're pulling posts out of a hat and commenting on them.

Actually this is probably a more apt criticism for Cape than Scotty. The latter has been catching up.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:20 am Wonder how it must feel to play in this game knowing half your team is AFK and possibly not to return.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:45 am I will murder a zero poster if I feel like it.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

We got 'em bois, pack it up. The fluffy bear was never fooling anyone.

It seems like I should call it a night on the thread then in the absence of well ... activity. Have fun out there!

I just noticed that this page is fully me/robyn/J³ just murdering it.

Ah well.

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:51 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:50 am You should talk about the time Robyn was voting me and said they had a god read on me and both of us were town.

u were speaking jibberish, i was posting without restraint and you didn't give a read on me

Complain elsewhere.

You should talk about the time Robyn was voting me and said they had a god read on me and both of us were town.

I can also be more charitable to Scotty.

Look, lets pretend you knew Robyn was town, what would you do with it?

Scotty, if you read the post, there is a sentence that ends with a question mark.

You seem very all over the place at the moment and I hate to admit that I'm struggling to parse it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:34 am Dumb read alert:

DarlingMonroe got started very slowly in Severance (as town). She was preoccupied a bit by having BTSC with Jack as a mason and spent most of her initial playing energy in that space.

Maybe. She's. Preouccupied. Again. By. A. Different. Kind. Of. BTSC.

I was going to say put down the crack, and then I remembered my own experience having a BTSC with DM.

Smth smth DM is available on Discord but not the Syndicate regularly and this explains things. Because I find it hard to believe DM got too distracted by my BTSC to post in Severance.

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:29 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:28 am Not that I expected @Scotty to have an interest in it regardless, but Scotty did not answer my question.

he's reading iso's and responding to us, i don't think he saw it

Oh I got the strong impression that he was finishing catching up.

And I suppose that answers the question in and of itself.

Not that I expected @Scotty to have an interest in it regardless, but Scotty did not answer my question.

Wonder how it must feel to play in this game knowing half your team is AFK and possibly not to return.

I'm sorry but my relationship with Robyn is of a confidential nature.

On a more serious note, if I told you that I know Robyn is town, what would you do with it?

Its Scotty and their voters at the time.

Im getting a chuckle out of the fact that Scotty/SVS interactions have continued to be of enduring interest in the thread, even as I've found them useful for one thing and nothing else.

I do actually. When prompted to iso S~V~S to find the game I was referencing for comparison, I saw some posts I liked.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:19 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Probably. We tend to circle, and in the last game we played, I was bad and railroaded him hideously. I would be surprised if he wasn't somewhat paranoid of me. I haven't read why he susses me yet, I'm answering my @'s first.

Watching your game, I figured out what triggers me about him, he has an almost theatricality about him, that I view as acting to an extent, and to me acting = (in a Mafia game) fake = bad. So I was kinda interested to see what our dynamic was here.

Good, will elaborate on wrt the third quote, since it elaborates on this point.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:04 am One last *?*, Bereft seems to be only addressing/alluding to Robyn and Jay, with the exception of his towny list, which was an answer to Jay, if I'm not mistaken.

I would not be able to read him if I tried, is this a normal thing for him? I don't find it to be AI, it just stuck out to me skimming his ISO.

This is a correct reaction to my presence. For that matter, any interest at all in reading my slot tends to be is a good sign.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:53 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?

@JaggedJimmyJay this is what I meant by "theatricality". I used to auto read this as bad~ weirdly enough, even in games where I was bad, and i had TMI re LC being town, I STILL read him as bad, which is why he's always an easy yeet for me when I'm bad. I kinda half believe it when I'm making the case.

In my experience, mafia does not do this often, that is, give up trade secrets of how they play. If SVS if mafia, they can simply not say this and instead push LC on the expressed basis.

And in general, a recurring theme with SVS's posts is that I find them honest on a fundamental level. Whereas Scotty accused SVS of having comments and no reads, I think this is a good thing. Mafia is more inclined to bother forcing comments into reads, and whenever they get around to it to explaining their comments in more detail, SVS makes sense in why they havent turned observations into reada. I've played with town SVS at least once, and all of this has been congruent with my impression of them as generally not having alot of hard feelings on a lot of people.

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:23 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:22 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:20 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:17 pm To quote Scotty: "in their own words, they have no idea what they are doing".

Robyn, I know its hilarious, but your posts seem probably better spent elsewhere.

where do u propose

Would help if you stated an objection or lack thereof to my current proposal.

i implicitly agreed and thus i asked you “where i should spend my posts” as in, “sure buddy, but where should i go?” and ur supposed to point to someone or something

Tch. I have though, you're just having a lapse in concentration. You can find my proposal exactly in the obvious place for such a proposal to be.

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:20 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:17 pm To quote Scotty: "in their own words, they have no idea what they are doing".

Robyn, I know its hilarious, but your posts seem probably better spent elsewhere.

where do u propose

Would help if you stated an objection or lack thereof to my current proposal.

To quote Scotty: "in their own words, they have no idea what they are doing".

Robyn, I know its hilarious, but your posts seem probably better spent elsewhere.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:05 pm Your defensiveness over a day 1 read that nobody else agrees with is certainly Intresting though

Your posts are extremely irritating, madam.
Mhm yes, makes 100 posts, gets shaded by a player who admits to not reading any of them critically, yeah I know I'd be so happy after that one, and totally not give in to natural impulses.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:19 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Probably. We tend to circle, and in the last game we played, I was bad and railroaded him hideously. I would be surprised if he wasn't somewhat paranoid of me. I haven't read why he susses me yet, I'm answering my @'s first.

Watching your game, I figured out what triggers me about him, he has an almost theatricality about him, that I view as acting to an extent, and to me acting = (in a Mafia game) fake = bad. So I was kinda interested to see what our dynamic was here.

Was referring to the game referenced here, but it appears that's not Severance.

Tbh I wouldn't. They're less awkward than normal, and I can't help but find it a good thing, even if I think that it should raise eyebrows.

Frankly, Scotty's first opinion on the slot is one that appears credible, and if I were in a situation where I had to make a call on S~V~S's alignment, I think I would do decently simply by comparing to their presence to Severance Mafia, as it appears they were mafia there if I'm interpreting them correctly.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:20 pm @Bereft and @robyn, each of you had expressed early faith in LoRab, and in the moment I kind of vibed with that. I'd like to dig a bit deeper though: are you able to describe what gave you confidence about her?

I had two major instances of thought about LoRab.

The first was immediately after their entrance.
And to that point, I had the same thought as Robyn did wrt to it.

The second was immediately after LoRab freaked out about getting townreads.
And to that point, I had the same thought as you did wrt to it.

If the question demands why I take strong stock in these thoughts at all, then its because both of these moments are based on LoRab existing archetypical traits of "pure" town spontaneity. And I don't think I've ever once seen these reads fail in my experience. On a mafia theory tangent, its the most basic form of read in existence, mafia simply doesn't post like that, because they have to think about well, being mafia.

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:32 am @Bereft jjj is right, you don't have permission to do fuck all, that's literally what we talked about in dms

I would make a mom joke at this point, but you'd know better than me about how to.

Anyways, I think I'm calling quits for now. Was really quite pleasant, so thanks for that y'all.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:28 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:25 am #168

Yea, what J^3 said. I may as well state plainly that he has my full vote of confidence and it feels almost as if I'm not particularly going to be needed much today.

I have need of you, Bereft, at least to the extent that you feel like it. I have blind spots, and I suspect your subdued mode of play will leave you well-positioned to help me cover them.

No need to reassure.

Robyn amd Bereft are non-Syndicate natives who have a nasty habit of speaking in tongues.

#168

Yea, what J^3 said. I may as well state plainly that he has my full vote of confidence and it feels almost as if I'm not particularly going to be needed much today.

Robyn, Cape90, J^3, Darling Monroe, LoRab

The standard fare, of course.

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:53 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:51 am @Robyn How's the weather been?

good, a bit hot once you showed up

also remember that thing we talked about in dms, that you should actually do this game

Oh, you hope I'm naughty and don't do that?