The Syndicate

He-Man wrote:I feel dirty now, goes for shower

thellama73 wrote:

LittleTiger wrote:
No, silly... FH - she is an entomologist

Man, I would love a job studying Ents. I'd get to go to Entmoot and everything.

He-Man wrote:I'm a bit worried about LT 2.0 she is either pulling a last minute attempt to save herself or she is proper screwing with us as a last bit of baddie LOL..

LT I wanna believe you, but I'm not sure I can.

It's either you or llama for me today, I have some time but not much before bed... Goes a ponders

Snow Dog wrote:

LittleTiger wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

LittleTiger wrote:Vote llama

...and when you see my role revealed, you can all go take a walk off a short plank! MacGuyver - sorry I couldn't do a better job...

You can also laugh at me for being an idiot with my role, since I am laughing too

All I can say is if I am wrong about you twice I am very sorry that I misread you.

I will forgive you since you do not know me.

But I will NOT FORGIVE Bug Girl!

Bug girl? Kate? Why bug girl?

juliets wrote:I see no one giving me a devils advocate response to LT being bad so I'm going with my decision to vote for her. *votes LT*

Snow Dog wrote:

LittleTiger wrote:Vote llama

...and when you see my role revealed, you can all go take a walk off a short plank! MacGuyver - sorry I couldn't do a better job...

You can also laugh at me for being an idiot with my role, since I am laughing too

All I can say is if I am wrong about you twice I am very sorry that I misread you.

Kate wrote:

LittleTiger wrote:Also.... if FH is not bad, I will be entirely SHOCKED! I know her civvie game very well... and this ain't it

If you are so sure, why would you vote Llama?

Kate wrote:

LittleTiger wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

LittleTiger wrote:Well, Russtifinko, if you lot succeed in voting me out yet again, you will end up with the same result as last time. I am a civvie.

And if I had thought about this, we wouldn't even be having this discussion until the next Day.... I am just fail this time around LOL! Oh well...

What's your read on He-Man, LT?

I can never read him - when I think he is bad, he ends up being civvie, when I think he is civvie, he ends up bad. He confuses me. I guess there could be something to him having been recruited...

But I still think, strongly, that YOU are bad

Really? I think, strongly, that he is not.

Flyin' High wrote:I can get behind an LT2.0 vote. I was strongly pinged by her immediate no of me and rey in previous days and while I know she has addressed my concern, it hasn't made me feel much better.

I'm not sure how I feel about He-Man. He totally fooled me and many others in the MOTU game so I am wary but having a hard time reading him this game.

Something still feels off about llama to me. But that is mostly a gut thing.

thellama73 wrote:

LittleTiger wrote:Well, Russtifinko, if you lot succeed in voting me out yet again, you will end up with the same result as last time. I am a civvie.

And if I had thought about this, we wouldn't even be having this discussion until the next Day.... I am just fail this time around LOL! Oh well...

What's your read on He-Man, LT?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Yeah your posts are pretty readable to me, Dex.

Russtifinko wrote: I'm not totally convinced BWT is bad; but since he's come back he hasn't impressed me. I definitely buy that RL got in the way at the beginning, but since then his contributions have been 1) defending himself 2) agreeing with MP about Dex's list of names and 3) pulling a 180 and deciding he needs to lynch MP (whose opinion he somehow trusts anyway regarding the list?). So this vote is mainly a heads up: BWT, you will probably have earned my suspicion if MP flips civ, and I really hope you start contributing more of your own thoughts because we seem to need all the help we can get to find these baddies.

This is what I was referring to, BWT. Now, MP didn't flip civ, which I think helps your case some, and since I posted this you have contributed more to the discussion. I still think it was very weird that you basically seemed to accept MP's opinion of Dex's list while simultaneously suspecting MP of baddieism. I'm still not sure why you'd want to lynch him but trust his opinion of other players.

Yeah, I can definitely see how that would seem odd. Honestly though, when I first read through it was all kind of a blue and I was trying to post my thoughts while trying to absorb everything (kind of a stream-of-consciousness issue), so I'm honestly not sure why I said it. I mean, I agreed with Dex's list at the time, but I'm not sure why I make it sound like I agreed with MP when I thought he was bad.

As for today's lynch, I'm going to have to vote now. I'm going with LT out of the people I'm most suspicious of, because re-reading her and INH didn't make me feel any better about her. Not to mention I believe I've seen her online multiple times since she's really started coming under fire. Which makes me think she's reading along and catching up, but I don't understand why she wouldn't come in and defend herself. To me, just giving up like that doesn't seem like a civvie thing to do. Kind of how Vomps voted for himself. So LT is getting my vote today, and I feel fairly confident we've gotten another baddie.

Votes LT

Linki: Lol I didn't see that before.

Flyin' High wrote:@LT: For me my suspicion of INH was a minor thing and something I was just going to keep in the back of my mind. What surprised me was how quickly you jumped on me (and rey) for mentioning that INH was suspicious after your return--really felt like a classic baddie switcheroo. Especially considering that of course you'd say INH was civvie upon subbing in for him!

Here's my initial post (note this was the first post I made after quickly reading the entire thread upon subbing in for AATB):

Flyin' High wrote:Okay, I have mostly gotten caught up on this game. For a speed game ya'll sure post a lot!

@Russ: Yes I do have a nice spreadsheet template, it is similar to the one MP posted, but has a few more categories. I'll upload it in a bit when I have some time tonight.

I am torn on LT 2.0 because INH screamed baddie to me while doing my read-through and I was all set to quote him and why I thought he was a baddie mcbadderson until I got to the part where LT replaced in for him... But I read very fast and need to probably do a more thorough thread read when I have a bit more time to absorb it all.

Gonna vote Ratt for no real reason other than that's the poll choice that sounds the coolest to me.

And yay on getting a baddie.

And here's LT's OTT (in my opinion) response:

LittleTiger wrote:Well, I can see how this next day is going to go down....

I do think the actual baddies will be actively pushing for me to be lynched...since they obviously will know that I am, in fact a civve... right FH, reywaS?

To me this just seems like an overreaction to my post especially considering I said I was way suspicious of INH during my read until I got to the part where you subbed in for him. But I ask, just because you say INH is definitely civvie, why does that make what you're saying true?

However, the quandry I'm facing is that I don't necessarily trust you or llama. But I don't see how you can both be bad since you appear to heavily suspect llama. Some of this will depend on if Vompatti turns out to be MP's teammate like I think he is.

He-Man wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:*Voted Little Tiger*

I think she's bad.

I kinda understand this vote, I'm a bit worried about LT too. Not sure it's strong enough to vote her but I feel it too.

It's just she doesn't seem to have the civvie charge she had in recent games, although I don't know her alignment in our most recent game (and as its still going on I sharn't say anymore)... Yeah I like to think I know LT's civvie game, I've played a fair bit with her and she is a great civvie, and I felt LT 1.0 was civvie and she was, however saying that she does seem to be civvie a hell of a lot, in the games I have played with her, and this just doesn't feel like them games.I hope I'm wrong and I'm not saying she is defo bad, I have a big question mark over her right now.

Anyways they are my thoughts thought I would share.

Linki x2

thellama73 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:*Voted Little Tiger*

I think she's bad.

At least it's not her birthday anymore.

thellama73 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:*Voted Little Tiger*

I think she's bad.

At least it's not her birthday anymore.

juliets wrote:

Kate wrote:Does anyone have the poll from yesterday?

Kate, I've also asked for this and not gotten it so I'm in the process of going back through the votes. I'll post what I get.

LittleTiger, I figured out the Vompatti thing. I was looking at the wrong quote. The right one was blatant just like you said. Also, maybe you didn't see my earlier question regarding the reasons you find llama suspicious? Others voted for you besides him so what is it you see that causes you to be suspicious of him over the others?

LittleTiger wrote:

juliets wrote:Naturally, I don't get the role hint. I never do

juliets - all you have to do is look at the roles! It was a very, very blatant hint

Also, since you replaced AATB, why do you think the Chemistry gossip thinks you are bad - twice in a row?

juliets wrote:Naturally, I don't get the role hint. I never do

Dex wrote:

LittleTiger wrote:I agree with The A Team! I voted llama last time and I will probably do so again....

You agree with them?!? Who the heck ARE they?

reywaS wrote:There are two teams.

reywaS wrote:So, I'm a baddie now because I still think INH was suspicious? LMAO.

He-Man wrote:

reywaS wrote:That post sounded much more accusing than I meant it to. LOL. I'm not saying LT is definitely a baddie, but my suspicion of INH has not been lessened from what she's said so far.

I agree and LT's ^ underhand NO U has not made me feel any better

Russtifinko wrote:Good thing for me that this day phase will be long-it's been hard to catch up this weekend when I don't have my commute!

First off, GREAT that we got a baddie last lynch! Really good work everyone.

Second, MP, glad to see your role gone but I wanted to thank you for the spreadsheet anyway. Hopefully it'll be a help for games to come.

Thirdly, my early thoughts on the next lynch: INH/LT2.0 is still my biggest suspect, personally. I understand why a lot of people are pinged by Vompatti right now, and I do agree that his votes look bad. To me they almost look too bad, actually. I'm inclined to think he'd hide it better if he were truly bad.

I'm also curious you're getting your lists of names from, especially how BWT and boo ended up on his "almost certainly civ" list. Care to explain? You haven't pinged me or anything, I'm just curious because my list looks very different from yours, and I'm hoping to be able to follow your train of logic. I also noticed I made your ping list for not having voted MP. I'll refer you to my post that day, where I noted the lynch had already been decided when I voted. I most likely would have gone MP at the time if it had been at all in doubt.

Lastly, voting order from yesterday, anyone?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Russ, here is the spreadsheet I stole from Tranq in my first game. I'm sure FH has a good one as well (in fact I'd be curious what hers is like).

Russtifinko wrote:Hey LT, I just noticed that when I try to link to your spreadsheet, the site says I don't have the required permissions to download it. Could you attach the file to this forum, or could MP post his spreadsheet?

Ah, you need to be registered.... (which would be a good thing! We have lots of good mafia games too ) - I just tried to add it here and it doesn't work. Sorry!

Snow Dog wrote:

LittleTiger wrote:RIP Roxy

Feels good to be back!

So, one of my top suspects is llamaboy

any reason?

insertnamehere wrote: You aren't actually giving any reasons why you randomized, just that you wish people to shut up about it.

insertnamehere wrote:LT randomizing was odd, and the fact that she's around, and therefore doesn't have the excuse of not being around to vote early. That, and her crazy posts, make me suspect her. Also, what's up with He-Man apparently defending her only because "It's her birthday."

I am an avid Survivor watcher, and a strategy that I have seen being used is that of claiming it to be his/her birthday in order to gain sympathy.

Because of this, I'm voting for her.

insertnamehere wrote:

LittleTiger wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

Kate wrote:My whole point about the randomizing is that if you randomize, there is nothing to go back to later. If you vote a weak ping, or a bad fakes a weak ping, those are in the thread as evidence later in the game. Randomizing tells everyone nothing, and if you are bad, that is a good thing. So the argument about "its just as likely to lynch a civ as is voting on weak pings" may be true but it leaves something to be analyzed later, which randomizing doesn't.

This.

As a thought experiment, if we all randomized every lynch the baddies would be nearly guaranteed to win, right? Because even though they're outnumbered they get kills every night and start with a 75% chance of lynching civvies daily. I strongly dislike Roxy's argument, and agree with llama, that her aggression is pinging me.

But she's not on the poll, so as it is I'm trying to decide whether boo's willingness to lynch no-shows (which is at best no better than randomizing) of LT's early randomization was worse. Leaning boo because he hasn't defended his reasoning since he pinged people, and I do feel a little bad lynching LT on her bday

But we wouldn't randomize every lynch! The randomizer is perfectly okay for a day 1 if there is nothing else to go on. I really, really wish I had not mistaken the poll end time, tbqh!

See above for a multitude of reasons why a Day 1 randomization is not perfectly okay.