The Syndicate

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:41 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:39 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:37 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:34 am When I get the "OMG SCOTTY AND SPACEDAISY AND MACDOUGALL ARE 100% CIVILIANS" role I'll be sure to put forth some effort in a game with zero flips and nothing for me to advance on but everybody's word.
Only scotty was cleared by my role as I’ve made clear multiple times.

Mac and Daisy were cleared through their own actions. They aren’t 100%, but I struggle to make sense of certain actions if they are bad.

Are you telling me I’m not putting in effort? Is that what you’re saying? I mean, even still, your posts aren’t actually enlightening me about what it is exactly you find odd or suspicious.
I accused you of not putting forth effort in one area of this game: Getting on the same page with Scotty- the one person you claim to be 100% sure is a civilian.

I have a problem with that. I have no problem with your effort otherwise. Stop making it about anything else.
Ok well:

Exactly what instances were scotty and I not on the same page?
Exactly how little effort did we put in?
Exactly what effort do you expect?
Why do you expect that effort? What do you think is townie about it? What do you think is bad about the opposite?

I said I'm done, Golden. I meant that. You can run this game. You're already doing it.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:39 am I just want to give a hypothetical here epi

Imagine you survive a night kill attempt because the doctor saved you, and you know there was a night kill attempt and you know that doctor was me. What percentage would you put on trusting me at that point?

Something like that happened once and I lost.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:37 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:34 am When I get the "OMG SCOTTY AND SPACEDAISY AND MACDOUGALL ARE 100% CIVILIANS" role I'll be sure to put forth some effort in a game with zero flips and nothing for me to advance on but everybody's word.
Only scotty was cleared by my role as I’ve made clear multiple times.

Mac and Daisy were cleared through their own actions. They aren’t 100%, but I struggle to make sense of certain actions if they are bad.

Are you telling me I’m not putting in effort? Is that what you’re saying? I mean, even still, your posts aren’t actually enlightening me about what it is exactly you find odd or suspicious.

I accused you of not putting forth effort in one area of this game: Getting on the same page with Scotty- the one person you claim to be 100% sure is a civilian.

I have a problem with that. I have no problem with your effort otherwise. Stop making it about anything else.

When I get the "OMG SCOTTY AND SPACEDAISY AND MACDOUGALL ARE 100% CIVILIANS" role I'll be sure to put forth some effort in a game with zero flips and nothing for me to advance on but everybody's word.

No, I'm done in this thread. I can't participate because any avenue I wish to explore can't be explored, so I feel as though I'm wasting my time. Golden wants to clear Scotty, but I'm never permitted to explore the possibility that the two of them are bad together.

This game is impossible to play. I'm going to come in, vote, and that's all you will get from me.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:13 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:08 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:05 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:03 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:02 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:01 am This isn't a matter of "trust." This is a matter of 100% confidence. If you are 100% confident in someone, you two should facilitate a lynch.

You two haven't done that at all that I've seen.
Why?
I have no idea why you and Scotty haven't done so.
No. Why would we do that?

Why would we not just each make the cases in our own heads. Why would we ‘work together to facilitate a case’

You keep saying we should. You can’t answer the question of why we should.

There’s nothing town-leaning about acting as a hive mind.
I didn't say anything about a hive mind. I never said you two had to vote together.

I said

"make a transparent effort to get on the same page together."
And I explained to you why I didn’t have time for effort.

But you don’t give a shit about that.

I'm done.

I wish your father the best. I said as much.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:10 am So you’re excused from doing it with svs because you’re different, but I have to do it with Scotty. Got it.

I’m not into your hypocrisy. I had no time in the thread this phase because of my father and you’re so butt hurt that I can use that as an excuse when it’s not, it’s just a fact.

If I wanted to play town like vompatti I would be entirely entitled to do that.

Don't pretend Epignosis and S~V~S can get on the same page as easily as Golden and Scotty could. That's not even close, and you know it.

And I'm 35 years old. I don't get "butt hurt."

Golden: "Scotty is a civilian. 100%."

Scotty: "Damn right. Golden is too."

*Crickets*

Votes in two different places.

I see a problem with that.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:05 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:03 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:02 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:01 am This isn't a matter of "trust." This is a matter of 100% confidence. If you are 100% confident in someone, you two should facilitate a lynch.

You two haven't done that at all that I've seen.
Why?
I have no idea why you and Scotty haven't done so.
No. Why would we do that?

Why would we not just each make the cases in our own heads. Why would we ‘work together to facilitate a case’

You keep saying we should. You can’t answer the question of why we should.

There’s nothing town-leaning about acting as a hive mind.

I didn't say anything about a hive mind. I never said you two had to vote together.

I said

"make a transparent effort to get on the same page together."

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:01 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:00 am You do actually - I remember you trying with SVS in the GoC.

But you are mr mysterious don’t share your working. It’s not like you are poster child for ‘transparent Effort’

I’ve no idea what you find odd about it.
You said I've tried with S~V~S and now you're saying I'm not transparent. Which is it?
Yeah, I’ve seen you try. So I know you can.

But mostly - no. When one tries to make such a transparent effort with you, it fails. You’ll always choose to do your own thing.

Which btw I take no issue with, but don’t come in here with a completely false and ludicrous argument about how trust makes townies behave.

I don't trust anybody 100% as you have claimed. Did I trust S~V~S 100% then?

If I did, do you think S~V~S and I could easily get on the same page? Is it the same thing as you and Scotty?

Doubtful.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:02 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:01 am This isn't a matter of "trust." This is a matter of 100% confidence. If you are 100% confident in someone, you two should facilitate a lynch.

You two haven't done that at all that I've seen.
Why?

I have no idea why you and Scotty haven't done so.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:01 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:00 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:59 pm You are calling something odd that is completely normal and responding to explanations with... just asking the same question again, and getting defensive.

Question explored. Let me ask you one - do you ever make a ‘transparent effort to get on the same page’ with someone you trust that has different reads?
I don't trust anybody.
You’ve never had a role that enabled you to mechanically clear someone?

Not today.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:00 am You do actually - I remember you trying with SVS in the GoC.

But you are mr mysterious don’t share your working. It’s not like you are poster child for ‘transparent Effort’

I’ve no idea what you find odd about it.

You said I've tried with S~V~S and now you're saying I'm not transparent. Which is it?

This isn't a matter of "trust." This is a matter of 100% confidence. If you are 100% confident in someone, you two should facilitate a lynch.

You two haven't done that at all that I've seen.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:59 pm You are calling something odd that is completely normal and responding to explanations with... just asking the same question again, and getting defensive.

Question explored. Let me ask you one - do you ever make a ‘transparent effort to get on the same page’ with someone you trust that has different reads?

I don't trust anybody.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:55 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:51 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:47 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:45 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:42 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:35 pm

What kind of question is this? We still have our own opinions.
If I trusted someone 100%, I'd make a transparent effort to get on the same page with them in the thread.
Two things

1 - as I said several times, I didn’t have the time or energy for effort if any kind this phase and

2 - again, why? Im not threatened by differing opinions.

I trust each of scotty, daisy and Mac 100%. Hell no I won’t try to force that group of 4 to vote together.
I didn't say "I'd force that group of four to vote together."

I said "I'd make a transparent effort to get on the same page with them in the thread."
Well I’d go visit my father in hospital. To each their own with their effort I suppose.

This is bullshit. I barely even read the thread in that phase.
You're right.

Forgive me for actually playing the fucking game.
“Playing” yes

“Solving” no

I don’t even understand the concept of finding it suspicious that I’m not pouring out my guts to force someone else to vote sig. I’m accused of being self-centred and egotistic enough already. I’ll do that sometimes, but not all the time. Sometimes someone else can do the work.

I am exploring a question MacDougall raised.

If I can't do that, then I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing here.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:47 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:45 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:42 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:58 pm If Golden and Scotty are "a pair" why aren't they voting together?
What kind of question is this? We still have our own opinions.
If I trusted someone 100%, I'd make a transparent effort to get on the same page with them in the thread.
Two things

1 - as I said several times, I didn’t have the time or energy for effort if any kind this phase and

2 - again, why? Im not threatened by differing opinions.

I trust each of scotty, daisy and Mac 100%. Hell no I won’t try to force that group of 4 to vote together.
I didn't say "I'd force that group of four to vote together."

I said "I'd make a transparent effort to get on the same page with them in the thread."
Well I’d go visit my father in hospital. To each their own with their effort I suppose.

This is bullshit. I barely even read the thread in that phase.

You're right.

Forgive me for actually playing the fucking game.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:45 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:42 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:58 pm If Golden and Scotty are "a pair" why aren't they voting together?
What kind of question is this? We still have our own opinions.
If I trusted someone 100%, I'd make a transparent effort to get on the same page with them in the thread.
Two things

1 - as I said several times, I didn’t have the time or energy for effort if any kind this phase and

2 - again, why? Im not threatened by differing opinions.

I trust each of scotty, daisy and Mac 100%. Hell no I won’t try to force that group of 4 to vote together.

I didn't say "I'd force that group of four to vote together."

I said "I'd make a transparent effort to get on the same page with them in the thread."

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:40 pm Well, you do have that nice glass of whiskey or whatever you won last night, Epignosis.

It was okay.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:58 pm If Golden and Scotty are "a pair" why aren't they voting together?
What kind of question is this? We still have our own opinions.

If I trusted someone 100%, I'd make a transparent effort to get on the same page with them in the thread.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:58 pm If Golden and Scotty are "a pair" why aren't they voting together?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:34 pm I think that was a mistake, and I'd like to hear the answer to MacDougall's question. Why did Golden and Scotty vote in two different places?
Uh. What? I disregarded Mac because I thought he was joking. And now you’re picking it up?

Golden and I aren’t part of the same brain. Why are you both lumping us into one entity? We don’t have BTSC, we both have differing opinions.

Like...it’s just odd that you’re latching on to that errant post by Mac, Epi.

And if you’re serious, mac, wtf?

I don't care what you find odd. This whole THING is odd.

Everybody seems to have crazy ass cool super powers and I'm a doctor.

I think that was a mistake, and I'd like to hear the answer to MacDougall's question. Why did Golden and Scotty vote in two different places?

I'd probably vote Kylemii too, but he's a distant fourth.

People I would vote for: ColinisCool, sprityo, lapluie

Is there a good reason to leave sprityo alone?

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:45 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:42 pm I'm not happy with a sig lynch.

[VOTE: lapluie] aubergine
Why not?

I buy what he's selling. He's also selling hard. It's as though he is reveling in being right and we're all morons. I get that perspective too well.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:40 pm Epi is like the 18 year old scotch on the mantle. You’ll only get it if you’re sophisticated enough, and often times it’s just there as appearances for when your fiancée’s dad comes over. It’s not for kids, and if you engage with it too much it makes you feel wasted

Yeah, your fiancée’s dad has begged to swallow me numerous times.

I'm not happy with a sig lynch.

[VOTE: lapluie] aubergine

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:41 pm Epi? He’s as pleasant as that shitty table at Applebee’s.

The table is the most pleasant thing there.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:41 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:53 pm just read through her iso, lapluie's posts don't ping me much at all. her tone seems genuine and i trust hee
kyle, to be blunt about this. there's nothing to be pinged about. there's genuine posts....about nothing. it's like looking at a blank piece of paper and saying "this doesnt look bad, and i like the color. so it's a good work of art."

im bad at metaphors but that's how im interpreting the above

You're bad at similes.

You're also bad.

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

[VOTE: lapluie] aubergine

I'm a doctor.

Can't help you there. I already said what I was, and Jesus wasn't it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:53 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:29 pm No i've not sent anyone back yet, there'd be alot more theater involved if I did.

MAc right now has 1 strike to get sent somewhere, but otherwise y'all are good.

IF town wants me to pick a town leader to send back so they can chat it up with the deadies, get info, and be safe from night actions I'd be down for it.
Wait, that 1 strike was to get sent somewhere?

Can I have 3 strikes please and get the fuck out of here?

You're not Charlie Blackmon.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:29 pm No i've not sent anyone back yet, there'd be alot more theater involved if I did.

MAc right now has 1 strike to get sent somewhere, but otherwise y'all are good.

IF town wants me to pick a town leader to send back so they can chat it up with the deadies, get info, and be safe from night actions I'd be down for it.

By the sound of it, the chat wasn't very chatty. I don't know what benefit there'd really be.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:48 pm insertnamehere dig:

The first notable thing about INH is that he made more of a concrete contribution to this game thread in one post than he did through all of U-Pick's, in the form of the ReadZone. Since he was lynched for appearing close to his AssClass scum meta in U-Pick (and rightfully so), this could be a deliberate attempt to buck that recent loss and do things that register as immediately different. It did for me, anyway.

I liked that post for the most part when I first saw it, but someone (Golden, I think?) brought up the point that it crucially does seem to be holding a vote hostage. INH will vote for Golden, but he'll change it unless Scotty votes for him, too. That's not really supporting either lynch, and it actually absolves him of any real responsibility. If Golden is town, it's, "Look, I bought Scotty's case," and if Scotty is town, it's "Look, it's Scotty's own fault for looking so suspicious." I have a real tendency as scum to worry about what people will make of my votes after they've been made, and I can see some of that between the lines here, if INH is not town.

His defenses following that post are fiery and very unlike those of U-Pick, a side of him I haven't seen in games before.

If we read these posts by INH in succession, it is pretty clear that he in fact does seem to be slipping as indie: he does not argue that sig is not town or that they may both be, most tellingly. I really do think it's strange that INH didn't think to attack sig here, perhaps even regardless of alignment, unless he considered sig town and is considering himself as "pro-town." Which begs the question: if all these indies are so pro-town, why are they indie?

In installment no. 2, he offers a robust defense of sig while also casting shade at Luna, among others. I really don't know what to make of INH in this game and I get the sense that he's laying extremely low hoping we'll sort of forget about him. While we do that, what is he doing? I have no idea. None.

In general, I kind of feel like we've all dismissed the possibility that he's scum and we're misinterpreting his posts (despite what I just said). I don't see why this should be set aside, at all; claiming indie in the face of a non-aligned claim like Quin gave (if sig is town) is not a bad way to try and buy time. I think I would support an INH lynch, pending further discussion, but I'd like for him to get in and tell us why exactly he's an advocate for us.

Are you saying you'd be willing to lynch INH today?

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:36 pm I had noticed it. Speeds little dig at epi calling him out. I loved it.

This, however, is not funny.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:29 pm Has anybody else noticed that "host" and "other" are now separate categories on the lynch poll? Is this notable?

No.

It's funny.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:43 pm
Epignosis, can you comment on this?

You wouldn't believe me if I told you.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:40 pm hat babies are creepy I rest my case.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:10 pm My father has been taken into hospital this morning. I think it’s going to be fine but I just don’t know if it will impact my participation. Sorry in advance.

I hope your thinking proves right. I wish your father the best.

Also, I appreciate Kylemii there.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:10 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:05 ammy computer pukes every time i get @ mentioned so please just quote me each time instead, thanks, also kylemii is my best friend and i appreciate his effort to be sensitive towards my computer problems
epi if u get the thing what are the chances tomorrow ends in a mafia lynch? more or less than regular?

About the same. Don't get your hopes up. Just being honest. I do my best even when it doesn't look like it.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:08 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:04 am
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:02 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:00 am
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:59 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:46 am Let's cut to the fucking chase, all right?

Golden: On what basis do you believe I am bad?
I don't. I'm confident you're civ.
Then what is the issue?
I don't know - I'm not the one saying 'elect anyone but epignosis'.

You'd be a worthy candidate, if I didn't think there just happened to be potentially strong benefit to electing me tonight.
How foolish would you feel if you got the most votes but ended up getting nothing tonight because this was my submission?

Why would the host request everyone to send in a time? He could have easily made up that business himself.
Why would the host have us elect people if only the person who sent it in could get the benefit?

A lot of hosts have done a lot of things over the years that have made very little sense to me. A "Mafia" game with no flips? No sense.

I'm just rolling with things.

I've also learned that hosts make flawed games, and so I try to anticipate those too. This could be a flaw.

Also, I need a target for tonight. Preferably somebody we don't want around.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:06 am wait do you think the polls do nothing at all unless the person who sent in the time period wins them? why would that be a thing

sig nearly lost his mind to win his.

Why souldn't I?

Let me step back and say that I respect Golden's passion and drive. If I suspect him at all, it's because I know what he's capable of.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:02 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:00 am
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:59 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:46 am Let's cut to the fucking chase, all right?

Golden: On what basis do you believe I am bad?
I don't. I'm confident you're civ.
Then what is the issue?
I don't know - I'm not the one saying 'elect anyone but epignosis'.

You'd be a worthy candidate, if I didn't think there just happened to be potentially strong benefit to electing me tonight.

How foolish would you feel if you got the most votes but ended up getting nothing tonight because this was my submission?

Why would the host request everyone to send in a time? He could have easily made up that business himself.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:59 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:46 am Let's cut to the fucking chase, all right?

Golden: On what basis do you believe I am bad?
I don't. I'm confident you're civ.

Then what is the issue?

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