The Syndicate

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Is that what I did? Was Soneji the next-easiest lynch option, or was that Scotty? I did no such thing.

You already revealed your own mindset. You had no basis for a Scotty vote, and at that point it wasn't a certainty at all that Scotty was going down.

And that still refutes your accusation that I voted for the next-easiest lynch, which is a subjective claim anyway.

I can vote for whatever lynch I want to regardless of difficulty level. Easy, medium, difficult, mono, stereo (never understood those last two settings).

Note that it wasn't even an accusation of you. It was an observation of your behavior and what it might mean given your cop role.

Epignosis
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Prisoner 509378 (4)
25%

Huh.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Is that what I did? Was Soneji the next-easiest lynch option, or was that Scotty? I did no such thing.

You already revealed your own mindset. You had no basis for a Scotty vote, and at that point it wasn't a certainty at all that Scotty was going down.

And that still refutes your accusation that I voted for the next-easiest lynch, which is a subjective claim anyway.

I can vote for whatever lynch I want to regardless of difficulty level. Easy, medium, difficult, mono, stereo (never understood those last two settings).

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Epignosis, do you acknowledge that your Zebra vote looks horrid, abysmal, awful, terrible, and perhaps even bad?

Never.

Cool, well that makes this a lot easier.

Epignosis

After copignosis is eliminated we're still going to have a significant challenge on our hands in making this comeback. One thing I think this might do is strongly imply Soneji is a civilian. When Epi lost sig as a lynch option, he just diverted right to the next-easiest option (the guy Sloonei and I were both considering offing).

Is that what I did? Was Soneji the next-easiest lynch option, or was that Scotty? I did no such thing.

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Since when do YOU care what people think of you?

I don't care what people think of me. I do care what people think my role is.

This right here is word games.You knew my meaning. I don't associate civ Epi with making votes or not making them based on how others will perceive it.

Who do you think we should vote for?

Soneji, chaindeath, or Nerolunar.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Epignosis, do you acknowledge that your Zebra vote looks horrid, abysmal, awful, terrible, and perhaps even bad?

Never.

S~V~S wrote:Since when do YOU care what people think of you?

I don't care what people think of me. I do care what people think my role is.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm not going to vote if I'm uninformed regarding why the shift occurred. That's not avoidance.

Yes it is. You'd have avoided those two wagons because you didn't feel informed enough to contribute to either of them. Why are you bothered by that word?

No it isn't.

The alternative was that I should have voted ika or Fuzz without a reason why. Then people would have a reason to accuse me, because then I would be voting ika or Fuzz while avoiding the giving of a reason.

I avoided nothing. I threw away my vote.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:The verb sig and now Soneji have been using against me is that I avoided that vote. I didn't avoid it- avoidance is an active thing you purposely try to do. I wasn't home. I came home with little time and pages to read. In the turn of a single page I saw votes fly from gleam to Fuzz. I thought I could catch up, but that wasn't going to happen. So fuck it said I. Grant the punchline zebra was waiting for.

I don't think the word "avoid" is inaccurate. If you observed a number of players moving from gleam to Fuzz, another significant wagon on ika, and deliberately did not contribute to either notable wagon -- then you avoided them. That's a logical assertion. You can rightly suggest that the motive for that avoidance isn't what sig or Soneji has stated it was, but you can't say you didn't avoid the wagons.

I'm not going to vote if I'm uninformed regarding why the shift occurred. That's not avoidance.

Addendum: Jesus.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Epi, were you remotely suspicious of Zebra when you voted for her?

No.

Can you show me a precedent for you placing throwaway votes like that one for players you do not suspect as a civilian? I am not unused to seeing you vote on your own or in smaller wagons when you have convictions that you're trying to push and others aren't taking interest in them -- this would not be an example of that.

It was a wasted vote during what remains the most crucial phase of the game so far.

No, I can't, because there is no such precedent. I don't like throwing my vote away, and I don't like missing. I've only missed two votes ever (one was due to travel- drove ten hours and missed the vote by a few minutes because my PC at home had to install bullshit updates, the other because I got drunk and fell asleep and got lynched Day 1). I hate missing votes, but I hate being uninformed too.

The verb sig and now Soneji have been using against me is that I avoided that vote. I didn't avoid it- avoidance is an active thing you purposely try to do. I wasn't home. I came home with little time and pages to read. In the turn of a single page I saw votes fly from gleam to Fuzz. I thought I could catch up, but that wasn't going to happen. So fuck it said I. Grant the punchline zebra was waiting for.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Epi, were you remotely suspicious of Zebra when you voted for her?

No.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I defended sig from immediate backlash

I can't find this in your post history. Could you show me?

Perhaps "defend" is too strong a verb. This is what I meant:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I did one of these things.

How would you describe your own treatment of sig in this Mafia game?

Eager and confident, in increasing measures as each phase went on. My premises were good but the conclusion was poor.

"Tunneling" implies I haven't done anything else, and that's far from the case.

Our definitions of tunneling in this context differ. What I refer to is reading a player as a baddie without exception continually as a game progresses without developing that read or expressing doubts.

With sig confirmed as town now and having zero probability of being the seemer, we're forced to ask whether your crusade against him was always genuinely motivated or better described as a long-term setup to ensure a mislynch would eventually occur.

If that's the case, then I still don't agree (and you did say "Tunneling all game"). Shortly after Day 2, I defended sig from immediate backlash, and acknowledged his tendency to get lynched early on for stupid reasons. I was convinced this wasn't one of those times.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I did one of these things.

How would you describe your own treatment of sig in this Mafia game?

Eager and confident, in increasing measures as each phase went on. My premises were good but the conclusion was poor.

"Tunneling" implies I haven't done anything else, and that's far from the case.

S~V~S wrote:Hrm. Epi is always the one bitching about people making up fake real life excuses to avoid mafia threads.

It would be kinda ironic if the first time he did it himself he got snagged

I got lynched one time when I was away from the computer, and it was because I was at a teacher's conference. I had my wife's laptop, but had to rely on hotel and McDonald's wifi. I made one post at McDonald's, had to get back on the bus, and people took my one post and lynched me over it while I was traveling. I was a mafia role that had killed his own team after being recruited to a civilian who had since turned last man standing. If that doesn't make any sense, just know that it was an MP game.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:S~V~S, another question: were you in the game Epignosis referenced a while back in this one (I think Death Note)? I ask because in that game he said he spent a ton of time and energy trying to get FZ lynched, and in the end it turned out he was wrong (as a townie). He lamented that it had been a waste of his time then, to do all that work against his own win condition.

In the face of MP preparing to modkill sig and essentially confirming the Messagero claim (assuming it's legit, and I don't think a seemer would be allowed to benefit from their role if they were modkilled, they'd flip bad), Epignosis lamented in this game about the time he had wasted. Is this a parallel I should care about?

Technically, I was an independent, but I played for the civilians, as I needed one particular "independent bad guy" dead to win, which required the lynching of an "actual bad guy" first before the "independent bad guy" could be lynched to seal my win. If that doesn't make any sense, just know that it was an MP game.

S~V~S wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Why couldn't the Seemer intentionally trigger a modkill? It could be a smart move. I could see this host allowing it.

I couldn't. MP specifically refused to allow Draconus to benefit from intentionally breaking the self-voting rule in Talking Heads. He wouldn't allow sig to benefit from intentionally breaking the roleclaim rule in this game.

That's way more tinfoil than what I said.

No it isn't. That is a different scenario. MP loves him some baddie plotting. You would be surprised at what he might allow baddie teams to do. I have played all of his games except one or two and no one brings the crazy shit like MP.

But again, no way of knowing until post game.

In one game, I was Mafia, and MP let me add things to the host posts each Night, and in one instance I wrote it up that a certain player would die in two days. The player died in two real time days (or something like that), and then there were portals and poker and bombs disguised as presents and Herman the Planet Smasher. If that doesn't make any sense...you know what to do.

S~V~S wrote:I saw Bass intentionally out himself to get LC lynched with a faux thread error. He pretended to be accidentally posting BTSC directed at LC in the thread. He was lynched, and LC followed.

Roger Rabbit was the funniest game I've ever witnessed.

Soneji wrote:Lets look at the numbers here. There are four cops to eight civs, if we assume that the seemer has been lynched. The cops will arrest at least one player tonight, potentially two. Lets assume the former, that puts us at four cops, seven civs. A mislynch next day phase will put as at best 4 vs 5 after the subsequent night phase. So at most, we can afford one mislynch if the cops don't get lucky with their 20% chance of lynching a second player.

The Scotty lynch was based on meta reasoning mainly, from how he acted in another game I wasn't in. I have had Epi try to shoot down my suspicion on Mongoose for meta reasons, SVS was saying Epi wouldn't tunnel sig if he was mafia due to meta reasons, etc...it seems this site has an over reliance on meta. Even the suspicion on me has never fully taken off as people are hesitant due to not knowing my meta. We need to stop thinking about meta and just judge the actions by themselves.

Funny coming from a guy who has never played Mafia on this site before (and, no, The Flash wasn't Mafia).

Soneji wrote:Epi's avoidance of the Fuzz lynch and tunneling of sig all game.

I did neither one of these things.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:IMO, these are the most suspicious things keft in this thread:

1. Epi votes a2thezebra on Day 2
2. Soneji supports a fake case on Day 7
3. chaindeath votes ika on Day 6
4. Draconus (Dom) votes DDL on Day 5
5. Epi tunnels sig all game long
6. Nero tunnels chaindeath all game long
7. Sloonei's CFD vote switcharoo on Day 2

I did one of these things.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Request for everyone:

For the sake of argument in this post alone, let's assume the seemers is already gone. Who was it?

If I had to venture a guess, I would say Boomslang. Also, nice subject-verb agreement.

Sloonei wrote:Scotty was good, I'm about 80% confident in that. His tone as he was getting lynched was too desperate not to be a sincere townie. Epi is my top suspect right now. I've waffled on him all game long and it's about time I did something.

I can be your top suspect as long as you don't lynch me for it.

New idea.

Soneji wants me lynched.

Soneji hasn't voted me.

Soneji

Why wasn't your vote on me?

Quin wrote:oh bobba

Unless something revelatory appears, I don't plan on voting you. Your process was logical even if your conclusion was wrong. I can respect that.

As much as I'd love the credibility you're giving me, you've got me all wrong. I don't have BTSC.

On the one hand, I hate that I wasted my time, and on the same hand, I hate that I was wrong.

I guess I've been wasting my time.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Okay so sig basically claimed Messagero. Thoughts?

I don't put stock in such things.

sig, you've shown no interest in figuring out who is a cop. You've been going along with the crowd except when the crowd went with Fuzz.

sig! You're bad! You're getting lynched!

Quin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:A general observation, before I go farther: Scotty's posts are riddled with little hints.

Scotty wrote:I find it kind of silly that even our own Don doesn't know who the police are. I mean, they got badges and blue costumes and such. Why is this so hard?

Scotty wrote:What can I say? I'm lost. My Don has given me nothing of substance and I feel like I should have caught more at this point.

When Diiny got lynched:

Scotty wrote:Coming in hot!

Not a terrible lynch result, at least, but still sucks to lose a civ.

Scotty wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:The people who are happy with the lynch.

Not sure if happy is the emotion I'm seeing. Maybe ambivalence. I'm in the camp of "well, it could have been worse.."

Are you upset?

Personally, I don't put much stock in such business as this (there are a handful of people who, if they hint, I'm sold, but I'll never tell who they are). Thought I'd raise the point anyway.

This puts me off voting for Scotty. After Turnip was lynched, I went through his posts and it clicked that Scotty might be Turnip's consigliere. This backs up that idea a little.

Changing my vote to sig for now.

As of now, I don't agree with this.

Why would you believe that Scotty would have BTSC with Turnip Head? How do you know which Don Turnip Head would be?

Scotty wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I love how some people who are basically claiming Team Sockface.

Who dat

Missed this one.

A general observation, before I go farther: Scotty's posts are riddled with little hints.

Scotty wrote:I find it kind of silly that even our own Don doesn't know who the police are. I mean, they got badges and blue costumes and such. Why is this so hard?

Scotty wrote:What can I say? I'm lost. My Don has given me nothing of substance and I feel like I should have caught more at this point.

When Diiny got lynched:

Scotty wrote:Coming in hot!

Not a terrible lynch result, at least, but still sucks to lose a civ.

Scotty wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:The people who are happy with the lynch.

Not sure if happy is the emotion I'm seeing. Maybe ambivalence. I'm in the camp of "well, it could have been worse.."

Are you upset?

Personally, I don't put much stock in such business as this (there are a handful of people who, if they hint, I'm sold, but I'll never tell who they are). Thought I'd raise the point anyway.

We're traveling tomorrow. I'll do it once the kids are in bed.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I really need to hear something substantive from Epignosis about Scotty.

Don't worry about that. I haven't forgotten.

I'm closing up shop for the day. Got some good stuff done despite bad stuff.

Continuing on. Day 4. I want to be a little more focused: How did sig go from "agleaminranks is good and the votes on him are scummy" to being the fifth nail in the coffin?

agleaminranks
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Sloonei (15), Silverwolf (16), Golden (18), ika (19), sig (20), Dragon D. Luffy (22), Scotty (23), indiglo (24), Turnip Head (25) 36%

The first several posts involve sig claiming he's not a cop and that Quin openly admitted he saved him, so they can't both be bad, so on and so forth. His posts also exhibit the "almost anyone but me" mindset, jumping from suspicion to suspicion either giving no reason at all or naming every conceivable reason. For example:

sig wrote:Quin could be bad, lynching him is much better then me.

sig wrote:Nero where is this huge push on me coming from? You weren't for my lynch at all until last night, actually I don't remember you mentioning me at all until I brought up that you may be scum. Your also using the same argument many players have used. I find that odd. It looks like your trying to push my lynch for unsavory reasons.

Hey sig: What would savory reasons for pushing your lynch look like?

sig wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:I think we should stay on the Sig lynch. You guys can always build a case on Gleam later, but right now Sig needs to go.

Nerolunar wrote:Are the cops at work here? Its rubbing me the wrong way that several votes are shifting now.

Do you really want the Sig discussion to continue for a another day?

These two posts are pingy. Keep on the Sig lynch don't even look for someone else who might be scum build their case later. Then the cops are at work? That would be the top posters who everyone thinks are civs? This seems like fear mongering to me. IF Gleam/Quin is mafia then so is Nero. My predictions have been off this game though. I've not posted much today for two reasons one I thought I was done and two I was worked up. After thinking about it my suspicion of DDL seems a little OMGUS. However, I still think Sloonie could be mafia. Golden is most likely a civ as is SVS.

So for Gleam I did defend him hard day 1, however he seemed to have faded out and flew under the radar I don't like that for Quin it is different. On the surface him giving me votes looks good. However, with the amount of vote changing he might not have suspected me of living. This could have easily been done to build civ credit. Not to mention keep me alive another day and occupy the thread. This and Nero saying we should focus on me today is odd. I don't know if the mafia would be so obvious and I might just be being paranoid, but Quin seemed to flip on his view of me quite quickly. I'll reread it, but he if I'm correct called for my lynch today? I'm unsure if both Nero/Quin are mafia, but I believe one is. Gleam is an unknown I wouldn't be opposed to his lynch today and would vote for him though I'd rather see Quin/Nero lynched.


linki: Okay true Golden, though before today he didn't really call for my lynch and the build your case on Gleam later post was off putting.

So here it is. sig says agleaminranks faded out and flew under the radar. He says gleam is also an "unknown" and then claims that he wouldn't be opposed to gleam's lynch.

Okay. What was it about agleaminranks Day 1/2 that made you defend him if he's an unknown? Was his role known to you Day 1 and 2 and somehow he became unknown Day 4?

That's the vaguest reason to be comfortable with lynching someone.
That's some anticlimactic shit right there. "Go for Gleam."

And gleam gets lynched.

sig wrote:So WAIT you shouldn't lynch me at ALL. I defended Gleam up until today as I did Fuzz. He gleam flipped civ, so my hardcore defense of him was right. I think we should look at Day 1 and 2 and the people who pushed his wagon then, I'd bet we would see a scum among them.

This more than makes up for the ending of that stinker though.

"I defended Gleam even though I lynched him, so don't lynch me! Let's go look over there!"

I realize there are a number of things to pick on this post for (suppose gleam had been a cop, would sig expect us to lynch him for being wrong to defend him? ), but I want to highlight one thing:

Sincerity.

I believe you can determine if someone is sincere about a view if he or she acts on it.

"I think we should look at Day 1 and 2 and the people who pushed his wagon then, I'd bet we would see a scum among them."

As I go through sig's Day 5 posts, I'm going to be looking for him doing this.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Given that chaindeath is a brand new player (so he's told me at least, if that's not accurate someone should say so)

Brand new? Not true.

Day 3

sig wrote:Poor Matt and Wilgy, this isn't good. Two civs down in one night.

I am not mafia I will defend myself and have made my points, however I believe Golden is either mafia or tunneling and not willing to see that I am civ.

If sig has defended himself against the points I've raised against him, I've not seen them.

sig wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

sig wrote:Poor Matt and Wilgy, this isn't good. Two civs down in one night.

I am not mafia I will defend myself and have made my points, however I believe Golden is either mafia or tunneling and not willing to see that I am civ.

Which of these two scenarios do you think is true?

I want to say the first, but I don't want to tunnel on him in a No U kind off way. I do however, find his behavior surrounding the Fuzz lynch strange as well as the fact he became so sure and setting up bandwagons for today.

Another hedged accusation. "Golden is either mafia or not."

No kidding.

sig wrote:I'm not bad, I've never ever seen a CFD succeed, usually they are done by mafia to save teammates. I am town and was arguing against what I saw as a bad lynch. I'd had throughout the day expressed displeasure at the gleam wagon which just appeared imo with weak reasoning.

I also agree with Silver about her point on Golden. I do still believe he is mafia, however I'm less confident on Epi being scum.

Again, sig says the case against gleam was weak.

Regarding the underlined, I'm going to be paying close attention to how sig's "suspicion" of me developed.

sig wrote:I'd also say Golden is wrong here, more people have already defended LC then me, quin, or Enrique. I believe all three of us would be easier wagons then LC. I also find it quite troublesome he is ignoring LC last minute save of Fuzz. At the very least I was in the thread stating my views while LC wasn't and just appeared to tie the votes. How am I suspicious yet this isn't?

How indeed?

Now I'm going to tear this next post apart:

sig wrote:

indiglo wrote:Sig, I guess my pointed question for you here is why would you look at LC for his last minute save of Fuzz, when you actually voted after LC to break the tie between ika and Fuzz? Which vote here actually looks like a last minute save of Fuzz to you - yours or LC's?

LC and I both voted for Fuzz with under a minute to the deadline, I however was active throughout the day stating my points and views of the Fuzz lynch/CFD. LC on the other hand came in last minute and tied the vote. I'd say it is more likely he was an inactive mafia member who came in last minute in an attempt to save his teammate. I would never as mafia vote last minute to save my teammate it is to risky imo, espacilly since I could have voted to save Fuzz at anytime.

indiglo wrote:Sorry for the triple post (unless there's linki at the end of this), but the only other real trend I noticed from sig's ISO is that he defended Gleam hard. But, too many unknowns there to assume much, imo. I saw 0 interaction between Fuzz and sig in the thread.


@ Sig, also, how are you feeling currently about Gleam? Have your views shifted on him at all?

I'm torn between thinking Gleam is mafia and the CFD was pushed to save him and just backfired, I like the ISO on him and MM's point about his post seeming fake. However, I'd need to think about it some more. I still don't like the speed at which his wagon started at the beginning of the phase nor how quickly it disappeared I'm not sure what to think of it.

According to sig, the one actively defending the cop against a sudden and unexpected wave of votes looks better than the one who just came in and threw down a vote.

sig says he would never try to save a teammate at the last minute because it's too risky (read: probably a bad idea). First, sig didn't try to save Fuzz at the last minute. He was howling against the Fuzz lynch as soon as it got going. Second, sig accuses Long Con of doing something he himself thinks is a risky move (i.e., not a good idea). What this says is, "I would never save a teammate at the last minute, but Long Con would."

In the second paragraph, sig says he's "torn" about agleaminranks, and now is not sure what to think of how gleam's voters came and went.

In this single post, we have sig primed to vote out Long Con and agleaminranks (whom he had been calling good the entire time so far).

sig wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Again here. Right after ika calls him bad. He types this really fast.

Notice how this isn't a regular thing, Sig is perfectly capable of writing better constructed post in other situations.

Thank you? I think.

Why do you bring this up? EOD was close and I was typing quickly to get my points across are you saying this is an alignment indicator or? Your case agaisnt me has little to no bearing it seems your just tone reading and saying I'm bad since I was typing fast to get my point across? That makes no sense what so ever. I'll address Golden's points in a second, but you seem super scummy. Tell me what happened to your Gleam suspicions?

DDL seems "super scummy," a statement followed up with "Tell me what happened to your Gleam suspicions?" This is coming from a guy who just moments before flipped stance from "The gleam wagon is super scummy" to "I'm torn- maybe the CFD was to save gleam and it went horribly awry."

sig wrote:FIRST THING first. @DDL you say I'm conspiracy theorizing have you seen Golden's posts? Especially his latest against me? See that and Matt's case's are conspircay theories not my points. AND wait a second If I was mafia why would I be making conspiracy theories about who I think is scum? Which I'm not even really doing but whatever. What I did say is that CFD are in my experiences mainly used by the mafia hence the mafia was trying to save someone. I still believe the mafia committed a save day 1 with their last minute votes and we have almost lynched one of them two days in a row. I think one of the three leading people last phase was mafia, the mafia tried to redirect the bandwagon onto someone else other then Fuzz while at the same time bussing him. Which is what Golden did.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Yeah I had that feeling about Sig. He was conspiracy theorizing at every step, while Quin seemed more focused on his suspicion of me.

sig says that Golden tried to save a teammate by bussing a teammate.

After a successful Fuzz lynch, sig's preferred avenue is to lynch the runners up of Day 2. This is still his position. According to sig, this is how Day 2 looks:

Epignosis - Cop
3
Metalmarsh89 (8), a2thezebra (9), DrWilgy (10) 10%

ika -Undercover Cop
9
Quin (5), Nerolunar (6), agleaminranks (11), Soneji (12), Serge (14), RadicalFuzz (16), Enrique (23), Long Con (28), sig (29) 31%

RadicalFuzz - Surveillance Specialist
8
Golden (17), ika (18), Silverwolf (19), indiglo (20), S~V~S (21), Dragon D. Luffy (22), Turnip Head (24), Sloonei (25) 28%

Remember that ika used extra votes to lynch Fuzz. If ika is the undercover cop, it means that ika lynched a teammate who had valuable role at Night, and preserved someone whose power only comes into play when he flips. That makes zero sense.

I'm not a cop, ika wasn't a seemer, and sig needs to hang in the corner.

sig wrote:Also yes I did try to get people to vote for Epi I thought he was mafia. Your whole case surrounds the fact that your saying I was defending Fuzz and gleam at the same time OMG I WAS DEFENDING PEOPLE I MUST BE BAD. I never pretended that I wasn't defending Fuzz, I did try to get people to vote with me yes since I thought he was a civ and that Epi was mafia. I thought there was a higher chance Ika was mafia and since the Epi lynch wasn't happening I did the next best thing.

Regarding the underlined, that's just not how probability works. There's not a higher chance that ika is mafia if you can't get me lynched.

sig wrote:Wow the voters on me are so conspiratorial as is BK. I also think it is so funny Golden is completely ignoring LC vote and actions yet because I did the same thing he did PLUS being active I'm scum? I also like how LC is joining the wagon agaisnt people who voted to save Fuzz or for Ika just like he did. LC is mafia imo as is Golden.

This is sig's reaction to the votes he receives. Here's the poll:

Long Con
6
Turnip Head (12), Silverwolf (13), sig (18), a2thezebra (19), Serge (23), Quin (25) 23%

Nerolunar
4
Long Con (6), Epignosis (11), chaindeath (16), Dragon D. Luffy (24) 15%

sig
7
Scotty (4), ika (5), Golden (7), indiglo (8), Sloonei (14), Matt (22), Metalmarsh89 (26) 27%

sig wrote:

Golden wrote:

sig wrote:Wow the voters on me are so conspiratorial as is BK. I also think it is so funny Golden is completely ignoring LC vote and actions yet because I did the same thing he did PLUS being active I'm scum? I also like how LC is joining the wagon agaisnt people who voted to save Fuzz or for Ika just like he did. LC is mafia imo as is Golden.

Yeah, because declaring a teammate my first town read is really likely.

I just caught up with the thread and looked back through LC. I'm not voting that way.

I'm very comfortable with my sig vote.

I also found some of silverwolf's posts recently very pingworthy so I'm backing off my town read there. I could conceivably see her effort to save ika as an effort to make him perceive her as town too. I'll post in the next post some of the things I find particularly odd from her.

I'm not comfortable with it. Okay then maybe you aren't mafia it appears even Matt thinks I'm wrong here so I could let it rest, however I'm very confident LC is mafia.

Know I still do believe you are mafia, however I think there is less of chance. Compared to say LC or Sloonie. However, you're still very wrong about me.

sig backs off Golden but he "still [does] believe" he is Mafia. sig says he's very confident LC is mafia. This is important, because one could forgive sig's vote as self-preservation, but that's not why sig is voting LC: sig accused LC of trying to save Fuzz.

sig wrote:Gleam I see you! Recall how I defended you at my own risk how about you do me a solid and vote LC

sig wrote:Gleam if you think I'm civ then vote to save me.

Day 4:

agleaminranks
9
Sloonei (15), Silverwolf (16), Golden (18), ika (19), sig (20), Dragon D. Luffy (22), Scotty (23), indiglo (24), Turnip Head (25) 36%

sig wrote:7
Scotty (5), ika (6), Dragon D. Luffy (8), Golden (9), indiglo (10), Sloonei (17), Matt (24)
So Ika is a revenge vote, DDL is a No U, Golden is mega tunnely, Sloonei is another No U, and Matt is voting since he thinks MM is bad and that means since we agreed we must be teammates. lolz

So four of the people voting for me I suspected and had doubts about. So basically my wagon is filled with NO U people.


So your voting for Golden in a vote which will do nothing at all this phase but instead voting for the person your top suspect pushed? explain that to me.

Matt your insane why should I even consider helping you switch to MM which won't happen since there is no case on him when you have a vote on me. IN FACT YOU WANT MY HELP TO DO SO??? SO you want a player you think is scum to convince players to vote for someone you think is scum yet we are both scum?

sig wrote:Whoever got that loan shark votes should defiantly save me. If you don't it will hurt the civ's like alot.

This actually happened. Quin got votes and put them on Long Con.

sig wrote:Notice the people on my wagon aren't even here? This is so those who are scum can keep their vote on me in case of a CFD. If they where so confident why not log on to make sure it is working? They were able to post enough to preform a CFD and convince people to do it.

I don't understand this blanket accusation.

sig wrote:Okay one of the people defending me might be bad, they knew I would flip civ and thus give them civvie points. A few people have done this in the past. I don't like scotty's last post which Zebra mentioned. And for the faces I was building suspense since I was bored.

How does this make any sense?

sig wrote:If I was on a team with Quin why would he admit saving me? (thanks for that btw)

This is about the fourth or fifth time I've seen sig dismiss a point against him with some form of "I would never do that if bad." We have phrase for that around here.

sig wrote:

Sloonei wrote:To be fair the case can be made that it was a scummy thing to do regardless.

It could be, but if we where teammates why would he admit it? Quin was finally out of the spotlight and to admit that as mafia would be foolish espacilly if we are a team. In theory he could be mafia and saved me to make us spend another day wasted pursuing me, I flip civ he looks cleaner. I could understand that.
However, saying we are teammates it would make no sense for him to say he saved me. If we are teammates and he did this and then admitted he just linked us up and if I'm lynched today and were to flip scum he'd be next. See what I mean? it would make zero sense. My first theory makes more sense, but even then it is a stretch.

Or maybe he lied altogether and didn't save me and something else happened which prevented me from getting lynched? This could be the case, but why would he lie about saving me. Another scenario is there was another factor in play and while he did give me votes something else also contributed to saving me.

I do think the way Nero phrased it is scummy, this seems like him trying to set up a wagon. Which he tried to do in past games here as mafia. I think there is a good chance he is mafia. And I'm still convinced sloonie is mafia.

There it is again.

I can't wait to look at Day 4, when sig ends up voting for agleaminranks.

However, my family got invited to someone's house for a shindig, and I have the house to myself. That means I will be recording for the next several hours.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Did Epi just call me a lady?

You'd be justified to call him a lady too if you like. I've seen those avatars of his.

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Did Epi just call me a lady?

I know you're a dude and still constantly think of you as a chick. It's your username.

The cute Paprika avatar didn't help either.

Sloonei wrote:Did Epi just call me a lady?

I know you're a dude and still constantly think of you as a chick. It's your username.

Soneji wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Soneji wrote:1. That he was avoiding participating in the current discussion by acting as if he wasn't up to date with the thread. Something he did while also presenting himself as being able to solve the current dilemma.

Please show me a specific example of "something he did while also presenting himself as being able to solve the current dilemma". I can't make any use of these assertions thrown into your post without a reference to what you're talking about.

You provided an example yourself:

Epignosis wrote:I wish I understood what this plan was so I could go ahead and tell you all how foolish it is.

He said this in regards to the traitor discussion on D1. Acts as if he doesn't know what the plan was while also assuming that its foolish somehow, despite not knowing what the plan entailed.

I love it when people who don't know me think they do.

Soneji wrote: He also implied that he had the ability to take apart my argument on him yet refrained from doing so.

What argument on me?

Soneji wrote:

Soneji wrote:2. That he would subtly throw suspicion on players without directly accusing them, like ge did with gleam in the post you quoted.

Are you referring to the post in which Epignosis voted for agleam? How is that subtle? He prodded a player who hadn't posted much to that point, and once he had some content to work with he moved away from that -- he even defended agleam when that bandwagon started to mount.

No I'm not referring to the post in which he prodded gleam and as it was a vote just to prod its irrelevant to him bringing up how fast gleam supposedly responded to his prod, then acting as if he wasn't implying anything by that. That was an indirect accusation.

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Hiii, I'm trying to catch up on the posts so far. I didn't get a chance to read through it yet because I just started my new job today as an afterschool math and physics tutor. I'll have something solid to go on in the next few hours hopefully~

Damn, that was fast.

Epignosis wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Hiii, I'm trying to catch up on the posts so far. I didn't get a chance to read through it yet because I just started my new job today as an afterschool math and physics tutor. I'll have something solid to go on in the next few hours hopefully~

Damn, that was fast.

What are you implying?

I'm not implying anything. What I said was explicit. I told gleam to say something and gleam did. Hence "Damn, that was fast."

What did you think I was implying?

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I thought he was implying that, here we go, we already have people saying they are not caught up to the thread and it is only halfway through day one.

Nah. I was just amazed that I vote the guy and he shows up and posts.

That's what an accusation looks like to you?

Soneji wrote:Keep in mind that there was around half an hour between his prodding post and gleam's response, enough time to where it can't be considered someone just watching over the thread just to see if they're mentioned.

Then I'd say my vote served its purpose.

Soneji wrote:This defending of gleam as you call it starts of with just saying he won't vote gleam as gleam gets lynched early too much:

Epignosis wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I'm sorry, your responses could be genuine but you are filling every box of my checklist.

- First you were not trying to hunt scum.
- Then people called you out and you literally accused all three people who were suspecting you. In other words, OMGUS.
- Then you say you are trying to protect civs when you had never posted a single civ read.
- Then you pull the "no lynch" theory out of nowhere. Which is a objectively bad theory because we can't win the game unless we try to lynch people.
- And now you are pigbacking on someone to validade your own points, when that someone doesn't actually have the same opinion as you. I've got lynched twice before as mafia for doing that, and lynched another mafioso for it. I think it's a good scumtell.

I refuse to vote for agleaminranks. Gleam gets lynched early all the time. I think the last time he told us to sit and spin or something.

The only other post he made regarding gleam d1 was speculating that if Wilgy was a cop, then gleam was likely a cop. This slight defense doesn't mean much. The general scumtell is that the mafia will cast suspicion on a player without directly accusing them, hoping some townie will take up that argument for them/that the point will stick in some minds. The smart mafia members might even defend the player they cast the initial suspicion on, if they have an angle for it, to further disassociate themselves from being a catalyst in the lynch of a town player. Epi's later defense of gleam consisted of solely asking why gleam was a suspect, making a joke about him passing wind. Later on he said he had no strong read on gleam and asked Golden to explain the case against gleam, with that being his last post on the matter the day gleam got lynched. Then in the night following gleam's lynch he heavily criticizes the basis for the gleam lynch despite not having argued against the actual points of the case, which could have saved gleam's life if he bothered to show people why they weren't valid. He yells at people to pay attention, when hes constantly not in the know as to why people are being suspected and doesn't argue against lynches he thinks are stupid.

If that's what smart mafia members do, then you must be awesome at figuring them out. Tell me friend, how many cops have you lynched so far?

Raise your hand if you don't think I'll railroad a civilian with my hardest locomotive and not think twice about the consequences. Good or bad.

And sometimes I pretend to know less than I do. Sometimes I don't know shit for real, but other times, I know shit for real.

Soneji wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I've made up my mind. As of now, it's DDL or sig for me tomorrow. You clowns go on and HURRRR CFD CFD tomorrow and I will vote the shit out of you too. Stop that shit. It's stupid. You get Mafia once every fifteen or twenty times doing it. You hit a civilian and it's "Aw, Barnacles" and when it actually happens, you pat yourselves on the back like you actually accomplished something. No more bullshit lynches.

I'm mostly talking to Golden here.

I'm mostly talking to you when I say I don't care what you think

But my vote tomorrow will almost certainly be sig or DDL too. Today it was almost certainly sig or gleam. If it had been sig yesterday it would have been gleam tomorrow. I don't really equate what happened at the end of that last day to what happened at the end of day 2 at all, they were completely different things. EoD4 was not a CFD.

And I don't agree with you. Day 2 was not "CFD," though some took it as such. Day 4 was. Gleam didn't do anything or say anything like Fuzz did. He got lynched for a theory based on votes. I would like less of that and more, you know, paying attention please.

Soneji wrote:3. Using meta reasons to defend Mongoose while implying that Sloonei is scum for not dismissing his read "as that is just Mongoose's meta".

It's not a great reason to pursue the lynch of Sloonei, but it's not a bad reason to toss out a flier vote in the game's earliest stages either. Had Epi actually made this into something meaningful and pursued it harder as a real case, I might agree with you. He didn't do that though, and for 95% of the game he has made no moves against Sloonei.

First impressions matter quite a lot in this game. Epi sent out the notion that this is how Mongoose is, so she shouldn't be voted for for the way she was acting. Its a roadblock to actual discussion, he did the same to me when I made a case on Mongoose:

Epignosis wrote:

Soneji wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Somehow I managed to skip a large post by Soneji.

He makes a good point on Mongoose, though in the last quote, I have to say the fact she is asking about how mafia is played here is because she is back after a long hiatus, during which a lot of people from different communities came here and change the usual playstyle.

I understood the context of how she was trying to come across(as naive of possible new habits), its just that the context in which the question was asked(as a prerequisite to a stated desire to vote lynch Ika) is rather scummy. If the question about voting people to get their attention came prior to a vote on Ika/stated desire to vote Ika, I likely wouldn't find the behavior suspicious. Lack of confidence in your own reads is also more indicative of scum, who don't want to be seen as going after the wrong people or having weak reasoning. If Ika's behavior was in any way normal in the community as it is now, people wouldn't have been suspecting him for it as much as they did D1, which should have clued Mongoose in. Even so, she felt the need to be sure that her reasoning was sound in the eyes of others.

Have you ever met Mongoose before?

As well as to Silverwolf:

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Draconus wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Why are people voting for Draconusgoose?

Silverwolf wrote:Oh I switched my vote to Draconus

I expect sig to be the lynch today but I want to voice my opinions on others I'm suspecting and the fact that Draconus has done very little since replacing reminds me of how myself and others I've seen react to replacing into a scum slot. Be mostly inactive and then just post the bare minimum without really saying much.

I still suspect Soneji for posts that don't really say anything at all and because I think scum are laying low this game while town attacks each other, but I don't see the point of sitting on that vote by myself right now.

Draconus hasn't done much of anything since replacing. Soneji hasn't done anything all game. They both need to be pushed eventually if we are gonna win this. And if they continue, then lynched IMO.

Your pressure doesn't bother aapje at all. Besides, Alice just started playing.

moresque are your thoughts on The Cyber Controller viands votes? Thoughts overthwart thanks?

Like, WTF is this post? Bascially self votes and does no scumhunting or make any attempt at game solving. I mean, yes, he did replace but has had enough time to at least make a decent vote-yet doesn't.

Have you met Draconus before?

Have you met Epignosis before?

Soneji wrote:

Soneji wrote:4. Devolving the thread into filler talk about basketball.

Yeah I'm not going to seriously call someone scummy because they talked about basketball. That was the most outwardly absurd accusation I hurled at him in that fake case.

Its really in the context of when he talked about basketball, watching a TV show, etc. that stands out. Like when he has zebra wanting him to share his suspicions:

Epignosis wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I've got some of these to go around.

Dish 'em out then, we need more then unspecified suspicions.

Golden asking him if he had anything else on his mind other than his tunnel vision on Nero:

Epignosis wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Epignosis wrote:New train of thought: Nerolunar should be lynched. Go.

You're awfully focused on him. Is there anything else on your mind?

Yes, but nothing game related. I'm hoping I win money tonight after a shitty weekend.

But hell yeah I'm awfully focused on him.

Nerolunar was in third place after sig and LC. LC was good. I suspect sig too, but I figure he's going to get enough today without my help. There's more than two cops, and I still think Nerolunar is one of them. I want to know why the thread went nuts for LC out of nowhere (in terms of a 48 hour day), but Nerolunar got no added votes.

Nah. I'm going to eat the delicious roast I made and then lose some more money on basketball.

TH prodding Epi for some more output in a joking fashion:

Epignosis wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Welcome to the Silverika show everybody.

I bought tickets to the Epignosis show but it must have been canceled, who do I contact for a refund?

My show got canceled because Stephen Curry is a bitch on his birthday.

Or like recently when he acted as if he could destroy my argument against him but instead hes going to go watch Gotham and I'm supposedly lucky for that.

Oh deary me. Thank God I am able to allude to real life things like basketball and my favorite TV show to hide my inept Mafia skills.

You know what's pissing me off the most right now? Russell Westbrook has 4 REB, 2 3PM, 6 AST, 1 STL, 3 TO, 24 PTS with Kevin Durant OUT. That's bullshit right there, man.

Sloonei wrote:I do not think Quin is the Warden. I wouldn't expect that rainbow post to be his doing either. Quin is colorblind.

Quin can be colorblind and still be the Warden. The Warden has BTSC. I raised this point earlier: The Warden need not be the original author of the posts to still post them.

Sloonei wrote:Cool. I am voting for Elohcin. Thoughts?

I don't think she or anyone else is going to care. Except me.

Sloonei wrote:So was Epignosis. I still need to look at the recent interactions between him and Mr Prisoner more in depth. I have a fantasy baseball draft tonight and don't know how awake I'll be after that so I may not get to things tonight, but tomorrow morning is wide open for mafia I promise. I am getting tired of talking about things I intend to do in this game and look forward to actually doing them.

So was I what?

Ooh oh oh! Sloonei is talking about fantasy sports in the thread! Lynch her!

sig wrote:DDL seemed to put alot of work into a secret role if he was a seemer? If anything Matt was the seemer. However, I stand by my view that Ika was the seemer and SW was arrested since she would've pushed Ika as seemer thing.

Epi

I only got through Day 2 with you, didn't I?

sig

I still have reading to do. Quin and Scotty are up next.

I will. I need to check in with MM and make sure everything is sorted, because I know he wants to get started today. Get hyped Spirited Away people.

Nothing about Scotty in the course of my reading has stood out one way or another (aside from the Chef stuff). I would have to go through his posts to form a solid opinion.

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

sig wrote:I think he is mafia.

This is the best I have felt about you all game.

That time stamp thing bugged the crap out of me the first time he brought it up, using it to exclude people based on geography. I forgot about it, but since he brought it back up it bugs me even more.

It's not excluding people based on geography. It's not excluding anybody.

You are narrowing it down based on time stamps to people not on the East Coast

So you are excluding people from suspicion based on their timestamps. Which may indicate Geography. I have a post I am thinking of, I will look for it later, after work.

You're incorrect, for two reasons. First ,some people stay up late regardless of geography (not that I know everyone's location anyway). Second, there are more cops than the Warden, so nobody is getting excluded from suspicion.

Do you not think the 4am EST post is worth considering?

S~V~S wrote:Only if I am going Mama Bear

And I can't look for the post at work Epi. But I am almost 100% sure you are getting my vote.

I would rather we didn't lynch me.

S~V~S wrote:

sig wrote:I think he is mafia.

This is the best I have felt about you all game.

That time stamp thing bugged the crap out of me the first time he brought it up, using it to exclude people based on geography. I forgot about it, but since he brought it back up it bugs me even more.

It's not excluding people based on geography. It's not excluding anybody.

Black Rock- Most posts are early afternoon or at various stages in the evening, but there are few instances of early morning posts. She has two early morning posts: Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:44 am, Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:01 am

chaindeath- All pm posts except for two that are around eleven in the morning and these: Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:41 am, Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:21 am

Draconus- All late morning or pm posts.

Serge- Two posts stand out: Sun Mar 20, 2016 4:28 am, Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:51 am

Nerolunar: Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:05 am, Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:19 am, Sat Mar 12, 2016 4:52 am, Sat Mar 12, 2016 4:23 am, Sat Mar 12, 2016 4:06 am, Fri Mar 11, 2016 5:03 am, Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:06 am, Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:05 am, Sat Mar 05, 2016 5:24 am. There is also ample activity during the usual Warden time frame.

Prisoner 509378- Has almost as many posts as his prison number. Fuck that.

Quin- I'm not going to post timestamps. Quin's posts are all over the clock, including several during the pre-dawn hours. I note that there are very few, if any, posts in the late morning / early afternoon, when the Warden was dormant.

Scotty- Almost all pm or late morning posts, though a few early morning instances:Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:46 am, Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:44 am, Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:05 am, Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:48 am, Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:29 am, Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:34 am, Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:21 am, Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:05 am, Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:29 am, Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:24 am. None of these are around the 4am EST, but one of them comes close.

sig- No early morning posts.

Sloonei- There are a few cases of early morning activity, some around the 3am EST period. For example, Sun Mar 13, 2016 3:02 am, Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:34 am, Thu Mar 10, 2016 3:35 am.

Soneji- All pm posts except one series that terminated Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:08 am.

S~V~S- Earliest post: Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:07 am.

Turnip Head- Has a few posts: Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:13 am, Sun Mar 13, 2016 1:43 am, and couple more around this time, but nothing around the 4am EST mark.

++++

Based on this alone, I'd say the warden is Nerolunar or Quin. Scotty and Serge are secondary candidates.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:If Epignosis did post that rainbow, it wasn't because it was his desired method of deception -- it was because he secretly wanted to post a rainbow list and finally found a chance to do it without wounding his pride.

There's a wrench in the syntax / spacing / rainbow analysis: BTSC. Anybody on the team could have said in BTSC, "Hey Warden, post this," and "Yo, Warden, here's a rainbow list to copy and paste. That'll be funny to post."

MP has said that only one player (the actual Warden) has access to the account, which means only he or she could post from it.

With the smaller player base, I'm going to try this again.

Epignosis wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Has Norton posted today?

No he hasn't, I see.

Chronos, God of Timestamps, I summon thee!

Six posts, EST:

Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:47 pm
Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:53 pm
Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:43 pm
Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:17 am
Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:41 pm
Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:29 pm

You might not want to take any consideration of Norton's posts or vote, but I bet that's something to look at.

All posts were between 4:43pm EST and 7:29pm EST, late afternoon/ early evening, except that red one. 4:17am EST.

I'm checkin' all y'alls posting times.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Quin, you're not a lynch I would favor in the next day phase. If you name me a gun-to-head cop team (every remaining baddie alive), that will be of interest to me. The same goes for anyone really, though certain people's lists might mean less.

I won't name my own list until I have some participation.

I'll participate.

chaindeath
Nerolunar
Quinn
sig
Soneji

Didn't expect that, did you prisoner?

Gotham is over, and I don't think I'm winning at basketball tonight.

sig. I want you lynched tomorrow.

Soneji wrote:If you found the points you brought up against Epi silly, I would like to know what qualifies as scummy in your book.

If I didn't have to go watch two hours of Gotham, I would have fun with you. Lucky for you, I have to go watch two hours of Gotham.

Hey Quin, I didn't get to you today. How does that make you feel?

Soneji wrote:I'm a top 5 best player on my main mafia site, so I can notice the small details.

I'd like another lesson in humility, if you don't mind.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:5 votes on Boomslang is not enough for my liking, no sir

One vote on sig is not enough for my liking.

Do you think Eloh not reading the thread reflects on her in any certain way?

Whaddya think of that thing Soneji just did?

Eloh not reading the thread means she doesn't have a team- no one she's going to disappoint. She said herself she was just going to add to the vote number, and I have no reason to doubt that.

Soneji's post initially suggested to me that he's not paying close attention.

Soneji wrote:I don't see anything really indicative of malicious intent with sig's actions. The Prisoner's argument against Epi is much more indicative of someone whose trying to manipulate things to a specific end.

I thought this post was saying that you, the prisoner, are trying to manipulate things to a specific end. That's why I laughed, given our spoiler talk.

But I see with the follow-up I misunderstood him, and that his comment on sig is linked to the unfortunate syntax that follows it.

Soneji wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Hey Soneji, could you please be a bit more specific about my case against Epignosis -- what about it did you find agreeable? I just need to assess your mindset.

That Epi makes himself out as a big shot yet avoids any matters where he can show his superior knowledge as well as his tendency to avoid direct accusations. That post he made in regards to Enrique about liking it when he can just vote without noticing it threw up some red flags during one of my full read throughs, as has his shifty behavior on tight lynches.

All I've got to say is that if sig is bad, I'm going to show my superior knowledge on Soneji's ass.

Sloonei wrote:5 votes on Boomslang is not enough for my liking, no sir

One vote on sig is not enough for my liking.