[END] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

[Prisoner 509378]

I am never lynching any of these people on Day 10:

S~V~S
Sloonei
Turnip Head

That means there are 4 baddies here:

chaindeath
Dom
Elohcin
Epignosis
Nerolunar
Soneji

If you're a townie in that pile, then show yourself as brightly as you can. The game is still winnable, somehow, and if you get out of that pile then it's locked.

[Tangrowth]

Wait, I counted sig in the poll, which is obviously inaccurate. Error, hosts?

He's gone. I realized it right after I posted it, sorry, but updated it ASAP.

[Ricochet]

Mike Ehrmantraut... "policeman"... lulz.

[Epignosis]

The verb sig and now Soneji have been using against me is that I avoided that vote. I didn't avoid it- avoidance is an active thing you purposely try to do. I wasn't home. I came home with little time and pages to read. In the turn of a single page I saw votes fly from gleam to Fuzz. I thought I could catch up, but that wasn't going to happen. So fuck it said I. Grant the punchline zebra was waiting for.

I don't think the word "avoid" is inaccurate. If you observed a number of players moving from gleam to Fuzz, another significant wagon on ika, and deliberately did not contribute to either notable wagon -- then you avoided them. That's a logical assertion. You can rightly suggest that the motive for that avoidance isn't what sig or Soneji has stated it was, but you can't say you didn't avoid the wagons.

I'm not going to vote if I'm uninformed regarding why the shift occurred. That's not avoidance.

Addendum: Jesus.

[Prisoner 509378]

Hosts, would the game end immediately if the cops outnumbered the crime family members?

[Prisoner 509378]

I'm not going to vote if I'm uninformed regarding why the shift occurred. That's not avoidance.

Yes it is. You'd have avoided those two wagons because you didn't feel informed enough to contribute to either of them. Why are you bothered by that word?

[Prisoner 509378]

chaindeath, if you don't start getting involved immediately, you're very likely to be lynched. Is that what you want? If you drop by, you need to make posts.

[Epignosis]

I'm not going to vote if I'm uninformed regarding why the shift occurred. That's not avoidance.

Yes it is. You'd have avoided those two wagons because you didn't feel informed enough to contribute to either of them. Why are you bothered by that word?

No it isn't.

The alternative was that I should have voted ika or Fuzz without a reason why. Then people would have a reason to accuse me, because then I would be voting ika or Fuzz while avoiding the giving of a reason.

I avoided nothing. I threw away my vote.

[S~V~S]

Since when do YOU care what people think of you?

[S~V~S]

On Day 2, yet?

[Tangrowth]

Mike Ehrmantraut... "policeman"... lulz.

Former policeman.

Couldn't think of a new one.

[Tangrowth]

Hosts, would the game end immediately if the cops outnumbered the crime family members?

No, it depends.

[Prisoner 509378]

[quote="Epignosis"The alternative was that I should have voted ika or Fuzz without a reason why. Then people would have a reason to accuse me, because then I would be voting ika or Fuzz while avoiding the giving of a reason.[/quote]

Frankly, this is what I would expect civilian Epignosis to do. You'd have taken the opportunity to decide the lynch, probably in delight, and you wouldn't give a shit about the "necessity" to explain your vote.

[Prisoner 509378]

EBWOP

The alternative was that I should have voted ika or Fuzz without a reason why. Then people would have a reason to accuse me, because then I would be voting ika or Fuzz while avoiding the giving of a reason.

Frankly, this is what I would expect civilian Epignosis to do. You'd have taken the opportunity to decide the lynch, probably in delight, and you wouldn't give a shit about the "necessity" to explain your vote.

[Prisoner 509378]

Epignosis, do you acknowledge that your Zebra vote looks horrid, abysmal, awful, terrible, and perhaps even bad?

[Epignosis]

Since when do YOU care what people think of you?

I don't care what people think of me. I do care what people think my role is.

[Epignosis]

Epignosis, do you acknowledge that your Zebra vote looks horrid, abysmal, awful, terrible, and perhaps even bad?

Never.

[Prisoner 509378]

Epignosis, do you acknowledge that your Zebra vote looks horrid, abysmal, awful, terrible, and perhaps even bad?

Never.

Cool, well that makes this a lot easier.

Epignosis

After copignosis is eliminated we're still going to have a significant challenge on our hands in making this comeback. One thing I think this might do is strongly imply Soneji is a civilian. When Epi lost sig as a lynch option, he just diverted right to the next-easiest option (the guy Sloonei and I were both considering offing).

[S~V~S]

Since when do YOU care what people think of you?

I don't care what people think of me. I do care what people think my role is.

This right here is word games.You knew my meaning. I don't associate civ Epi with making votes or not making them based on how others will perceive it.

Who do you think we should vote for?

[Prisoner 509378]

Another thing that emerges from the knowledge that Epi is a cop is that Elohcin becomes a stronger suspect too. Let's be honest: Epignosis was well aware she was never reading this thread and his "idea" to snare her was always bullshit. It was a clever means of protection though.

[Epignosis]

Epignosis, do you acknowledge that your Zebra vote looks horrid, abysmal, awful, terrible, and perhaps even bad?

Never.

Cool, well that makes this a lot easier.

Epignosis

After copignosis is eliminated we're still going to have a significant challenge on our hands in making this comeback. One thing I think this might do is strongly imply Soneji is a civilian. When Epi lost sig as a lynch option, he just diverted right to the next-easiest option (the guy Sloonei and I were both considering offing).

Is that what I did? Was Soneji the next-easiest lynch option, or was that Scotty? I did no such thing.

Since when do YOU care what people think of you?

I don't care what people think of me. I do care what people think my role is.

This right here is word games.You knew my meaning. I don't associate civ Epi with making votes or not making them based on how others will perceive it.

Who do you think we should vote for?

Soneji, chaindeath, or Nerolunar.

[Prisoner 509378]

Is that what I did? Was Soneji the next-easiest lynch option, or was that Scotty? I did no such thing.

You already revealed your own mindset. You had no basis for a Scotty vote, and at that point it wasn't a certainty at all that Scotty was going down.

[Epignosis]

Site cracking up for anybody else?

[Epignosis]

Is that what I did? Was Soneji the next-easiest lynch option, or was that Scotty? I did no such thing.

You already revealed your own mindset. You had no basis for a Scotty vote, and at that point it wasn't a certainty at all that Scotty was going down.

And that still refutes your accusation that I voted for the next-easiest lynch, which is a subjective claim anyway.

I can vote for whatever lynch I want to regardless of difficulty level. Easy, medium, difficult, mono, stereo (never understood those last two settings).

[Prisoner 509378]

Yeah, it's on and off right now.

[Prisoner 509378]

Is that what I did? Was Soneji the next-easiest lynch option, or was that Scotty? I did no such thing.

You already revealed your own mindset. You had no basis for a Scotty vote, and at that point it wasn't a certainty at all that Scotty was going down.

And that still refutes your accusation that I voted for the next-easiest lynch, which is a subjective claim anyway.

I can vote for whatever lynch I want to regardless of difficulty level. Easy, medium, difficult, mono, stereo (never understood those last two settings).

Note that it wasn't even an accusation of you. It was an observation of your behavior and what it might mean given your cop role.

[Epignosis]

Is that what I did? Was Soneji the next-easiest lynch option, or was that Scotty? I did no such thing.

You already revealed your own mindset. You had no basis for a Scotty vote, and at that point it wasn't a certainty at all that Scotty was going down.

And that still refutes your accusation that I voted for the next-easiest lynch, which is a subjective claim anyway.

I can vote for whatever lynch I want to regardless of difficulty level. Easy, medium, difficult, mono, stereo (never understood those last two settings).

Note that it wasn't even an accusation of you. It was an observation of your behavior and what it might mean given your cop role.

Epignosis
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Huh.

[Prisoner 509378]

The accusations ended when you didn't grant the obvious that your Zebra vote is a bad look. Everything further is interactive analysis drawn from the new knowledge that you're a cop. If you keep talking we'll get more information, so by all means keep at it.

[Epignosis]

The accusations ended when you didn't grant the obvious that your Zebra vote is a bad look. Everything further is interactive analysis drawn from the new knowledge that you're a cop. If you keep talking we'll get more information, so by all means keep at it.

Oh, I see. Foregone conclusions. Seeing who will jump at it. Mind games and what not.

Nah, you're just making another mistake.

[S~V~S]

You NEVER give a shit how you ,or your votes, look when you're civ. This aspect bothers me. I did not think that bad Epi would do something like continuously suspect someone who regularly gets mislynched, but what do I know?

[Prisoner 509378]

You NEVER give a shit how you ,or your votes, look when you're civ. This aspect bothers me. I did not think that bad Epi would do something like continuously suspect someone who regularly gets mislynched, but what do I know?

Let's think of what he did in a different way:

He took advantage of a known deficiency in civilian play across The Syndicate -- people reading sig as a baddie incorrectly.

Of course he'd do that.

[S~V~S]

No thats the point, doing something obvious would make him look bad, you see?

[S~V~S]

No thats the point, doing something obvious would make him look bad, you see?

[S~V~S]

No thats the point, doing something obvious would make him look bad, you see?

[S~V~S]

No thats the point, doing something obvious would make him look bad, you see?

[Epignosis]

You NEVER give a shit how you ,or your votes, look when you're civ. This aspect bothers me. I did not think that bad Epi would do something like continuously suspect someone who regularly gets mislynched, but what do I know?

I don't give a shit how I look or how my votes look, civilian or bad. I can weasel my way out if I'm bad. However, compare first six or eight game phase Epi to Endgame Epi and see what's different. Look at Harry Potter, for example. Or The Hobbit. Or Frisky Dingo. Not giving a shit is easy when you never know if you're going to be killed. When you're a lynch or two away from winning or losing? Well that's different.

Syndicate is fucked up.

[S~V~S]

Sorry phone screwup lol

[Prisoner 509378]

No thats the point, doing something obvious would make him look bad, you see?

I would do that all day if I thought I had a "case", and sig made it possible.

[Epignosis]

I'm not going to waste my time talking about me. I know my role. Even this fuck-up has got better shit to do.

[S~V~S]

No thats the point, doing something obvious would make him look bad, you see?

I would do that all day if I thought I had a "case", and sig made it possible.

You aren't epi.

But that zeeb vote blargh

[Prisoner 509378]

I'm not going to waste my time talking about me. I know my role. Even this fuck-up has got better shit to do.

Good call. Please talk about non-Epignosis people as much as you possibly can.

[Prisoner 509378]

No thats the point, doing something obvious would make him look bad, you see?

I would do that all day if I thought I had a "case", and sig made it possible.

You aren't epi.

But that zeeb vote blargh

I think you have him wrong. I think the question of "What would Epi do?" is very simple.

"Whatever is strategically beneficial."

[Epignosis]

I'm not going to waste my time talking about me. I know my role. Even this fuck-up has got better shit to do.

Good call. Please talk about non-Epignosis people as much as you possibly can.

I will.

[Epignosis]

chaindeath

Epignosis is starting with you.

[Epignosis]

But Epignosis is going to have to start tomorrow, because he has other things to do right now.

[Tangrowth]

Site cracking up for anybody else?

I must have missed this. Is this still happening?

[Epignosis]

Site cracking up for anybody else?

I must have missed this. Is this still happening?

Everything has been fine since. I can't speak for anyone else.

[Tangrowth]

LOL at S~V~S's quadruple post.

[Tangrowth]

Site cracking up for anybody else?

I must have missed this. Is this still happening?

Everything has been fine since. I can't speak for anyone else.

Good to know.

If it acts up still for anyone, PM me.

[Sloonei]

Epignosis, do you acknowledge that your Zebra vote looks horrid, abysmal, awful, terrible, and perhaps even bad?

Never.

Then i'll never not vote for you. Epignosis.