The Syndicate

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:23 am Epi, I will endeavor not to use the OT green to communicate something I need a prompt answer regarding in the future, because I understand how it affects the way you will read both parties. I apologize for reacting as I did.

Nah, you're cool. Ignore me. I've been up in a hot ass attic tonight.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:19 am I condemn using OT as a scum strategy. It's for use unrelated to mafia. Don't exploit it.

I agree. I've witnessed people using similar tactics when bad, but I do believe Spacedaisy is above that, so I withdraw my criticism.

[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

I still think he's a charlatan.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:17 am I don’t give a shit that you don’t give a shit about what people think has merit.

Then you're halfway to enlightenment, young man.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:59 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:56 pmWhether I am bad or good I would never ever put game strategy into OT green. It's a shitty accusation.
Epi hasn't made a single accusation with merit in the entire game in my opinion.

It's why this is the second day in a row I'm voting for him. He feels more like a parody of himself to me. It could just be a function of time.

From a game I'm not in:

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:38 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:36 pm And im trying to feel like Epi and use complex things that make little sense to solve shush and let me have this moment. ;(
Maybe you should see if you an find a single instance of Epi catching baddies like that before you go whole hog on it.

I don't give a shit about what people think has merit.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:56 pm Also, I already set aside my suspicion of Scotty on your say so, so don't sweat over me. It's Scotty you might have to convince, lol.

I want to move my vote off Kyle, but I'm unsure where I want to put it.

Epi, it's insulting to me that you think I would utilize the OT color for a game strategy. That is an out of bounds move imo. Whether I am bad or good I would never ever put game strategy into OT green. It's a shitty accusation.

You're right. Of all people, I don't think you'd do that.

I'll move my vote when I'm ready.

[VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:18 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:14 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:20 pm @MacDougall Can you check your DM's from me on discord? I need to know if I have your approval before I upload the banners
Shit like this bothers me.

If you're bad, you have a chat room to pass this message along.

If you are not bad (or even if you are not), you have the private message function.
Just like you have the private message function to send me one asking me to not put OT messages in the game if you don’t fucking like it. Idgaf. It doesn’t hurt you or anyone else to scroll past a fucking post. Get over it. Or take it to a mod.

Moving on.

Don't tell me to take something to the mod. If you put something in this thread, and I think it's relevant, I'll comment on it.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:15 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:14 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:20 pm @MacDougall Can you check your DM's from me on discord? I need to know if I have your approval before I upload the banners
Shit like this bothers me.

If you're bad, you have a chat room to pass this message along.

If you are not bad (or even if you are not), you have the private message function.
So why does it bother you?

Putting shit like that in a game thread makes it look like you aren't teammates.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:55 pm

Epi, why’d you go for bribery?

I already said I'm greedy.

*Or even if you are

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:20 pm @MacDougall Can you check your DM's from me on discord? I need to know if I have your approval before I upload the banners

Shit like this bothers me.

If you're bad, you have a chat room to pass this message along.

If you are not bad (or even if you are not), you have the private message function.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:44 pm If it was one shot, then if I had done what he did IO would have made it damn clear that was the case, which he hasn't. Because he painted a big old target on himself with what he did otherwise. It seems reckless and possibly wasteful to me. That said, it depends on whether or not there is something to your text flavor point. And whether or not sig was actually bad. Because if sig is bad, then Quin is not. And neither is INH. This is assuming the message is true.

@Golden You should know by now that you can trust me. I was trying to prove myself, and I would hope you were watching well so you caught it.

Forget whether Quin actually got a message?

Who cares?

He dumped into the thread, and what we got was INH and sig both upset over the message. Neither accused the other. Nether accused Quin. None of that happened. They focused on the message's origin or the consequences it may have for them as individuals rather than for civilians.

That to me is the most important thing, and I could give a toss if Quin was lying or truthful about his message.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:18 pm The fact that both sig and INH have attacked the intel, rather than each other, bodes poorly.

That's what I've been saying.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:15 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:09 pm I don’t agree with the recurring idea that we’ll just get rid of both signand inh to be safe. Quin’s posts should have been the catalyst for a decision, not a non-decision.
It's denial and fear-mongering with no real potential results IMO. I realize I'm not exactly unbiased, but I'd feel more comfortable if the town lynched people because of legitimate in-thread reasons when we have no flips to go off of, instead of contested info-dropping hearsay which won't truly be proven one way or the other until dead peoples' roles are revealed. The former is productive and can generate conversations, while the second won't actually give us any information while serving as a major distraction.

Yet the the latter has produced the former, no?

By the way, your script needs work.

I've been in the attic on account of a clogged AC drain pipe. I'll be with you all momentarily.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:23 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:14 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:03 am To be clear for anybody paying attention, Scotty is "town" and "a doctor" and "somebody who needs Golden alive to win."
I thought it was pretty obvious Scotty was counter claiming your doctor claim. Did you miss that or is it something else? Was he not doing that in your eyes?
I know what I'm doing. Leave it at that.
Nah fuck dat. I asked you a fair question. Do you think he was counter claiming you? Because if he was counter claiming you and you are saying he isn't a doctor, I want to know why you aren't voting for him.

I'm not answering you. Piss off.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:03 am To be clear for anybody paying attention, Scotty is "town" and "a doctor" and "somebody who needs Golden alive to win."
I thought it was pretty obvious Scotty was counter claiming your doctor claim. Did you miss that or is it something else? Was he not doing that in your eyes?

I know what I'm doing. Leave it at that.

According to Golden.

To be clear for anybody paying attention, Scotty is "town" and "a doctor" and "somebody who needs Golden alive to win."

Quin made a claim.

INH did not dispute it, but got angry and suggested he was not a civilian.

sig did not dispute it, but questioned the source of it.

sig is here and INH is not.

Lynch INH.

Let's do something more fun.

sig and INH are Booker DeWitt and Comstock. That is to say, both have been swept away by the Luteces. They're not here.

Who gets your vote and why?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:31 pm Epi are you a doctor, or The Doctor?

Bend over and reach me that box of gloves honey and I'll show you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:26 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:22 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:21 pm Scotty isn't a doctor.
Yeah, I'm happy with my vote.

This is absolutely 100% a false statement.
I do question the statement. Why do you think he's not a doctor?

I also now suspicious of how Epi has gradually backtracked from his "claim" when Scotty counter claimed to his most recent *shrug* when I asked if he is a doctor and whether we should let him get away with what seems most likely to be a fake claim that has backfired?

What was my motive for claiming as I did and when I did?

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:22 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:21 pm Scotty isn't a doctor.
Yeah, I'm happy with my vote.

This is absolutely 100% a false statement.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:22 pm More fuel for the INH is indy fire:

He didn't realise mafia get fake claims because he isn't mafia.

I don't buy that shit for a minute.

Scotty isn't a doctor.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:17 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:14 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:04 pm Also epi - provide an example of what you claim (mafia claim independent in situations like this). It would never have even occurred to me, but I also disagree, because if anything inh didn't 'claim' indy but 'slip' indy.
I'm not providing a thing. I have no interest. I've seen it. You don't believe me? Fine.
A moment ago you decided I knew INH was doing this. Now you seem comfortable that I 'don't believe you'.

There's not a whole lot of integrity to your current thought processes.

On the other hand, I have to admit that I don't understand why you'd raise inh's apparent 'claim' at all if you were bad. You'd have been better off just letting things play out.

But I don't understand at all why you'd lynch both one after the other on the basis that sig would be scum if you think INH is covering for being scum.

You don't need to understand me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:16 pm Epignosis are you actually a doctor or were you talking shit? Because there's a bit of an elephant in the room here given Scotty seems to be counter claiming.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:11 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:10 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:06 pm To those of you not named Epignosis or Golden.

If one of them is bad, who is it?
Golden.
If I'm bad Quin is bad.

You can lie detect that motherfucker to the bank.

No you can't.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:08 pm Epi goes from voting his apparent mafia read to his indy read. Then claims his indy read is a mafia read. But if so, what's his sig read been all about, because this all started with the two clearly not being compatible with each other?

And Epi still wants to lynch both of them... even though he now apparently thinks INH is bad, with no evidence that sig would be indy...

His logic is all over the place inconsistent.

Don't give a

Spoiler: show

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:04 pm Also epi - provide an example of what you claim (mafia claim independent in situations like this). It would never have even occurred to me, but I also disagree, because if anything inh didn't 'claim' indy but 'slip' indy.

I'm not providing a thing. I have no interest. I've seen it. You don't believe me? Fine.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:01 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:59 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:55 pm If inh is indy I don't see him as threatening. If those words are a slip they will be full truth, which would also mean he isn't a threat to civilians.
I suspect you again.

The first thing a caught mafia does in that scenario is claim to be independent. You're defending him.
In my opinion the first thing a caught Mafia does in that scenario is question the validity of the information (ala Sig). A caught independent would almost certainly roleclaim at that juncture. A mafia to indie claim at that point before going after the validity of the information ... no doesn't seem right.

As I said, lynch both.

Neither one responded with any enthusiasm. One all but claimed harmless independent (which we won't know if we lynch him) and the other questioned the message (which we won't know is true if we lynch him).

Get rid of both, says I.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:56 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:53 pm I'd say INH is independent and sig is bad. Lynch both. Move on.

Then Quin for good measure.
16 players

You're trying to decide the next three lynches in a game where we might not even have 5 phases?

like we're down to 14. Nutella was a night action so high chane she's civ and I'd say Zeph is civ we're down to 14. IF Quin and INH are civs along with me who am I civ we'd be down to 8 players.

Like this level of lynch planning makes me very uncomfortable with you Epi.

And just to be clear, yes, yes I am trying to decide the next three lynches. And the three after that. Any issue with that?

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:55 pm If inh is indy I don't see him as threatening. If those words are a slip they will be full truth, which would also mean he isn't a threat to civilians.

I suspect you again.

The first thing a caught mafia does in that scenario is claim to be independent. You're defending him.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:56 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:53 pm I'd say INH is independent and sig is bad. Lynch both. Move on.

Then Quin for good measure.
16 players

You're trying to decide the next three lynches in a game where we might not even have 5 phases?

like we're down to 14. Nutella was a night action so high chane she's civ and I'd say Zeph is civ we're down to 14. IF Quin and INH are civs along with me who am I civ we'd be down to 8 players.

Like this level of lynch planning makes me very uncomfortable with you Epi.

News flash:

I don't care how uncomfortable you are with me. Get comfortable.

This is some sloppy shit from sig. That's all I've got to say.

[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

I'd say INH is independent and sig is bad. Lynch both. Move on.

Then Quin for good measure.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:49 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:42 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:38 pm @speedchuck can you please put an end-time on these polls?

okay, but like for next time though.

Aren't you his significant other? Can't you show him something else what would be extremely painful?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:44 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:44 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:57 pm sig, at what point did you ever forget that I was in this?

I answered that, when I made a list ranking all the player from civ to mafia you weren't on it I forgot you.

So that qualifies as "keep forgetting?"

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:13 pm and wow I keep forgetting that Epi is in this game, and he didnt do any day 1 shenanigans. I'd put him as Mafia maybe on my list.

Your words.

"Keep forgetting" is a tense that implies you have habitually done this. This remark came after you made that list. When did you forget me before?

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:45 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:39 pm By the way, in case it eluded anybody's attention, INH all but claimed not to be a civilian.
It did elude my attention. Could you point this out?

Because if INH is indy it's not impossible that sig is town and just being suspicious because that's how he does things.

I'm surprised nobody has said anything.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:42 am I thought Scotty's D1 voting pattern was weird and suspicious enough for me to vote for him, however, if he later went against what made me suspicious, I was open to changing it to someone else.

Quin is trying to put me in a situation where I either post the details of my role, proving that I'm not a threat to the civilians, or he's gonna make me look like a confirmed baddie, and serve my head on a platter.

But apparently the first is malevolent blackmail, and the second is okay, kosher civ behavior.

Linki:
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:34 am Why should I care about your role? Scum gets fakeclaims.
What? I thought fake-claims were more character based. Like, if everyone said the name of their role, and three of the names were obvious bad guys in time-travel related tales, then fakeclaims would allow them to at least appear as simpatico, non-enemy sounding roles. That's how I used them in the games I've hosted. I'm not familiar with fake-claims including fake abilities.

Well, what the fuck do you want from me, Quin? If literally nothing I can say about myself or my role could change anything, fuck it.

Might as well ignore you then.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:43 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:40 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:39 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:36 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:34 pm [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I'm about 85% sure he's mafia and sent the PM to quin to get INH and myself lynched all the while absolving himself of blame for our deaths.
This is bullshit.

If you were a civilian, and you knew yourself for a civilian, and Quin got a message saying you and INH were not "aligned," you should have been ready to bury INH.

Instead, you're making up funny theories about the origin of the message.
Nope it isn't, I'm doubtful that the message is good I think its a baddie power. I don't see why that's so odd.

Though seeing how so many people jumped on me maybe I'm wrong and INH is mafia and i'm being pushed by his teammates. BUT I doubt it.
On what basis do you believe this message comes from the forces of evil? Be clear.
I'm a civ
I believe he's a civ
I think it's just as likely that this is a mafia power as a civ power and that thoughts compounded by the fact that nobody else seems to question it.
I think mafia would send a PM saying that one of two civ players aren't civ to get us both lynched and distract the thread from anything else.

On what basis do you believe INH is a civilian?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:57 pm sig, at what point did you ever forget that I was in this?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:39 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:36 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:34 pm [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I'm about 85% sure he's mafia and sent the PM to quin to get INH and myself lynched all the while absolving himself of blame for our deaths.
This is bullshit.

If you were a civilian, and you knew yourself for a civilian, and Quin got a message saying you and INH were not "aligned," you should have been ready to bury INH.

Instead, you're making up funny theories about the origin of the message.
Nope it isn't, I'm doubtful that the message is good I think its a baddie power. I don't see why that's so odd.

Though seeing how so many people jumped on me maybe I'm wrong and INH is mafia and i'm being pushed by his teammates. BUT I doubt it.

On what basis do you believe this message comes from the forces of evil? Be clear.

By the way, in case it eluded anybody's attention, INH all but claimed not to be a civilian.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:34 pm [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I'm about 85% sure he's mafia and sent the PM to quin to get INH and myself lynched all the while absolving himself of blame for our deaths.

This is bullshit.

If you were a civilian, and you knew yourself for a civilian, and Quin got a message saying you and INH were not "aligned," you should have been ready to bury INH.

Instead, you're making up funny theories about the origin of the message.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:24 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:19 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:17 pm Like I'm honestly shocked that in a role madness closed set up game everyone's just believing some random PM with information.
Because we have no reason to doubt it at all and it makes sense to have occurred in this game. There is zero reason to doubt it if you are a civilian and/or unaffected by it.
We have no reason to not not doubt it either though. Also how does it make sense? The way I see it two different night actions would've been needed to achieve it. Also no a civ/unaffected should doubt it. You're following information from an untraceable source, say INH and I both are civs (which you won't know since no flips and a mafia messenger would take advantage of that) who if you do figure out we're civs would you blame? Not quin since he just got the message but some faceless random player.

Honestly wouldn't be shocked if Mac sent the message, built a fake meta case to distance himself from it and now is using it to try to get me lynched. And he doesn't want to kill me since one he might believe I can't be killed and two it would paint a giant LYNCH ME I"M SCUM sign on him.

Epi has already said he wants to lynch INH next that's two phases wasted and no civs gone and mafia 4x closer to winning.

Someone pushing this PM INH vs SIg is bad and had a hand in sending the message. ALso notice how I was targeted and a semi inactive player? And I had just won the election boosting me and giving me something.

Oh ffs.

Is INH a civilian, sig?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:11 pm Wait, why are you folks lynching sig? I need to catch up.

We all caught up.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:50 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:48 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:47 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:41 pm So we're trying to call Sig's bluff or what is this?
Sig has three different and unrelated cases being made against him.

My case is based on his meta.

The majority are pushing for his lynch based on Quin's info.

Epi's case is based on analysing his post content.
I feel so loved tbh, but y'all are wrong.
Explain to me why you are behaving in a passive and relatively timid way under duress here when in other recent town games I have seen you play you are blunt, aggressive and tinfoily.

Here you are actively avoiding tinfoiling which is a hallmark of your town play.
Good question. First I'd say being tinfoiling isn't always a hallmark of my town play, I've had town games where I don't tinfoil.

1. I wouldn't say I'm being passive or timid, I'm just messing around more right now. I think you're putting to much stock into my recent game meta and attributing it 100% to me being town.
2. I won't be getting lynched yet soooooo figured I'd have some fun and get to see how people are interacting with me.
3. I decided to switch some things around seeing how the last few games i've been killed rather early, but overall my behavior is more attributed to me being able to not get lynched.

Don't you find the whole Quin thing a bit odd? As well as how quickly people who were civ reading me jumped when INH was thrown out as the second? I'd not be shocked if INH is mafia and his buddies are pushing my wagon.

We'll probably lynch INH after you, so don't worry.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:47 pm Just because I mentioned you a few times doesn't mean I remember you.

Like I didn't have you on my first big read list which is why i said that.

linki: Yeah it's been a thing from the beginning.

A few?

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