The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:49 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:18 pm Whoever is bad was more fearful of Wilgy than of me.

Or you're scum. But I don't think you'd say this as scum. Also you're a town read.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:55 pm Well clearly your process is flawed As was mentioned earlier, you put plenty of effort into giving examples of games where LC was bad and behaved similarly, but never proved that he doesn't also behave that way when civ. Bad logic, bad process.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:50 pm Oh my god Epi knows how to read me. I feel at home. Pro tip: If anyone genuinely wants to lynch me D1, I'm town.
Yes that is arrogant of me to refer to my scumplay like that, but I've darn well got the backlog to prove it.

Me being a dick aside. Lynch sucked. I wasn't getting good feelings about LC, so I don't blame those who lynched him, but dang.

Lots of crap happened while I was out on a date, so I'm sure I'll have stronger town and scum reads soon as I make my next post.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:43 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:22 pm I could just as easily say I'm done with you for painting speedchuck as bad for his lousy memory / being indecisive.

@Spacedaisy

But I'm not.

Please do say you're done with me. I would love that, because the arrogant Epi schtick where you act like only you could possibly ever be correct only pisses me off. Yeah you sure were right about LC.

I'm leaving for the night because my mood will only lead me to say things I shouldn't. I'll come back tomorrow.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:23 pm Speedchuck was a way better candidate but yall blew it.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:17 pm Yes, he has three different power that give him info and one power that produces a kill. I'd wager that probably is the most powerful role the civs have. Stop painting nutella as bad for saying it.

And I'm done discussing this because you both are just baiting right now and I'm done. Especially Epi.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:11 pm Epi. Get real. He had three abilities that were basically limited disco and a vig kill. You are playing semantics.

Linki: Same to you bwt.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:05 pm

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:59 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:56 pm also holy shit the worst role to lose wow great job everybody

We don't know all the roles, so how is that the worst one to lose?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:59 pm And how do you know that is the worst role to lose?

I think it' pretty common for civilians to think the cop is the most informative role they've got on their side. Come on guys.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:59 pm why do hosts keep screwing me over? first G-Man kills me for no reason and now suddenly my tie-causing vote doesn't count even though the poll deadline hadn't passed? this sucks you guys why can't I just play mafia without things going wrong beyond my control

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:56 pm also holy shit the worst role to lose wow great job everybody

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:46 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:44 pm Yeah, this isn't good. speedchuck getting lynched because he looks inconsistent? That's what mafia do? Look inconsistent on Day 1? Fuck outta here.

If you're going to go that far, you could use the same argument for me on most of my D1 lynches. And as I stated in my opinion, there's more to it to me than just being inconsistent.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:20 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:16 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:50 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:17 pm I just looked back and I think I don't understand what he was saying.

It is unclear how speedchuck is changing his reads. He says he has no town reads, but earlier in the game he had clearly stated town reads in Epi, Sloonei, and (perhaps) sanmateo. What alarms me further is that speedchuck is saying he doesn't like how all over the place the thread is (but he's worse than almost anyone else in that regard, at least from what I saw) AND he says he wants to vote for either LC or Epi "for information" when he clearly was defending Epi as a town read earlier. I found no substantiated reason for his change of mind.

I therefore believe that he is likely fabricating his reads.

My problem with this is that speedchuck is quite careful and a devious kind.

Do you think he'd forget he said I was good and then call me bad later?

I don't.

That's a fair point. I'm not sure he'd "forget", but his opinions just seemed all over the place to me. I guess it's potentially genuine inconsistency as opposed to opportunistic fabrication.

I'm not even sure I've personally seen a mafia-aligned speedchuck.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:17 pm Hey Epi, whats on the fprefront pf your mind rn? It doesn't have to be game related.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:50 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:17 pm I just looked back and I think I don't understand what he was saying.

It is unclear how speedchuck is changing his reads. He says he has no town reads, but earlier in the game he had clearly stated town reads in Epi, Sloonei, and (perhaps) sanmateo. What alarms me further is that speedchuck is saying he doesn't like how all over the place the thread is (but he's worse than almost anyone else in that regard, at least from what I saw) AND he says he wants to vote for either LC or Epi "for information" when he clearly was defending Epi as a town read earlier. I found no substantiated reason for his change of mind.

I therefore believe that he is likely fabricating his reads.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:48 pm "dogpee" MP

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:44 pm Daisy is wrong about me and Wilgy is right? What the hell? What universe is this?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:40 pm Epi, I don't know if I have been or not. But it is certainly always possible I'm wrong about him. my suspicion of him should by no means be taken as foolproof evidence.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:28 pm Ooookay. I have read everything.

1. Long Con vs. Epi... reading this same basic argument every freaking game you guys play together can be summed up as follows:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:35 pm I'm curious: Where do you come from, @NewTraditionalist ?

Epi, do you still suspect me? Ever gonna follow through and elaborate why?

I feel like the day is going in circles, and I don't like that. Votes are spread, and I don't like that. I don't have anything with me to eat, and I don't like that.

Worst of all, though, I don't really have any town reads. This never happens. I usually just bandwagon on with a townie for the wins. Uhhhh.... Leaning toward voting Epi or LC, for info and thread-clearing clarify and decent odds that one of them are scum.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:21 pm I won't be able to offer anything else until night.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:21 pm I am leaving my vote on Epi. Long Con and I both made the same observation about him in our respective defenses against his casing, and I observed him treating Spacedaisy in the same way earlier today (accusing her and MP of coordinating reactions, when it's evident she was simply responding to a notification). All of this looks like an Epi who is deliberately misconstruing facts in order to paint multiple players in a negative light. The possibility that he's doing this intentionally as a scum hunting tactic, to bait and draw reactions out of players, has been in my mind all day, but when it seems all of his game-related energy is committed to this tactic (from my perspective), I become less confident in his motivation.

I hope that you all carry on with the discussion about all of the names available to you as we wind down to the deadline. This is where my vote stands now, and I won't be able to offer anything else until night.

I think it's pretty clear that my position on Long Con has not wavered.

I do not think this is an honest case from Epi, but that might just mean he's pushing my buttons to see how I'll react. However, this has given me just enough pause to make me reconsider my stance on Epi and, by extension, LC as well. I'll see where my head is at in the morning, but I wanted to get this out before going to sleep.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:01 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:50 pm I'm voting for @Spacedaisy because I want her to say things and she makes me nervous when she isn't posting.

If this came from anyone else I could excuse it, but this guy right here knows that I have barely been on the site in the last few days. He knows that I am juggling multiple writing projects in addition to two games. He knows I've been exhausted and slept a lot more than normal. So tell me why this guy says me being quiet is shady. No, I'm not buying this.

*votes MP*

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:57 am I'm here. I swear I am. Ok, maybe I just showed up. Maybe I haven't read anything yet. Maybe...

I am going to get a shower and then catch up.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:02 am
Scum likes people to talk, make cases, and get to the lynchy bits. So long as scum it's getting lynched. I see nothing alignment indicative here. Along with the meta-read of BWT just ruining my case on him, I've placed him at null.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:37 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:02 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:32 am I don't know why I am even bothering to do this. I'm sure it's a serious personality flaw that I have that I'm compelled to do this.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:04 pm I'll try to keep this brief.

Spoiler: show

In Mass Effect, an evil independent LC kept calling me nervous. We've had this argument since, but I maintain that I was not nervous, but rather was gleeful that my little scheme to out a member of the mafia was working.

Yes, he'll remind you that I wasn't a civilian (True: I was at the time a neutral who could eventually side with either good or bad) and that he wasn't mafia (True, but he was last man standing, which is a role civilians need dead to win, and is therefore "bad").

My point is that LC framed my posts in such a way that supported his narrative (to get me lynched) rather than one to help the civilians (to get mafia lynched).

No.

Here's what happened, not what Epi's specially selected words choose to tell you. Epi was a complicated Indy who could go either way, and he had a fakeclaim from the host to use. He tells the thread his fakeclaim on Day 2, which I find weird. It made me suspect he was bad, and using a fakeclaim. He wants to spin it like I was some "evil independent" but what do you think my strategy was? Frame someone? I didn't have a team to work with, or for, what I needed was some level of credibility. I was trying to find baddies in as genuine a way as if I were a Civilian.

If you see similarities between that game and this one, then that makes sense enough to me, because my goal was to find baddies in both. In Mass Effect, I was right to go after Epignosis because he, as predicted, joined the baddies. Listen to me again for the first time, here in this game, maybe I'm right again.

If people would have listened to you, they would have wasted a lynch. You weren't right to go after me. Nobody was, because nobody needed me dead to win.

I don't know how else to spell that out for you.

No one wants to read Mass Effect arguments:

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That's just not a logical assessment of the situation. If you chose to turn Civ, then the Reapers would likely kill you. Turning Civ was never a good option. So you turn Reaper. Civs need all Reapers dead to win. Civs need Epignosis dead to win. But fine, I'll concede that there are multiple ways to look at the situation, and your role can be put into a very different light depending on what you want to believe is likely and logical versus a cold take on a role read. That's as far as I can go, because I have the biggest proof that what I put forth many times in that game was right: it's exactly what happened. Yes, I have the actual past on my side of the argument. Let's drop it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:32 am I don't know why I am even bothering to do this. I'm sure it's a serious personality flaw that I have that I'm compelled to do this.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:04 pm I'll try to keep this brief.

Spoiler: show

In Mass Effect, an evil independent LC kept calling me nervous. We've had this argument since, but I maintain that I was not nervous, but rather was gleeful that my little scheme to out a member of the mafia was working.

Yes, he'll remind you that I wasn't a civilian (True: I was at the time a neutral who could eventually side with either good or bad) and that he wasn't mafia (True, but he was last man standing, which is a role civilians need dead to win, and is therefore "bad").

My point is that LC framed my posts in such a way that supported his narrative (to get me lynched) rather than one to help the civilians (to get mafia lynched).

No.

Here's what happened, not what Epi's specially selected words choose to tell you. Epi was a complicated Indy who could go either way, and he had a fakeclaim from the host to use. He tells the thread his fakeclaim on Day 2, which I find weird. It made me suspect he was bad, and using a fakeclaim. He wants to spin it like I was some "evil independent" but what do you think my strategy was? Frame someone? I didn't have a team to work with, or for, what I needed was some level of credibility. I was trying to find baddies in as genuine a way as if I were a Civilian.

If you see similarities between that game and this one, then that makes sense enough to me, because my goal was to find baddies in both. In Mass Effect, I was right to go after Epignosis because he, as predicted, joined the baddies. Listen to me again for the first time, here in this game, maybe I'm right again.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:32 am

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In Blue Velvet, LC was bad, I was good, and we had a back and forth on Mass Effect. Here is LC's big, misleading post about me.

That was an awesome meta case, thanks for linking it. It has no similarities to this game though. It seems you just brought it up because it's an instance where I made a case against you... that doesn't really make the cut for doing anything to prove your point here.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:32 am

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In Night Vale, Long Con and I were both bad- teammates even. What does he resort to?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:15 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:46 pm I look nervous to you, LC?

The line I referenced looks like textbook nervousness... it's not a general thing with all your posts or anything, but come on - you read that line and tell me I'm wrong.

I recall seeing this and rolling my eyes. "Not this 'nervous' bullshit again. Were I not on LC's team, I would have crucified him for it.

FALSE. This is a bogus entry, because I wasn't in any way making a case on Jack. I was laughing at how his post read to me. Try this link to see THE ENTIRETY of the exchange. As in, I wasn't pursuing it as any form of case at all. Epi's attempt to make you believe otherwise is deception.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:23 pm

Boomslang wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:24 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:09 pm Most inclined to vote Sprityo for self preservation lolololol or Epi for picking on someone he may view as weak.

Why that many "ol" additions the first time? Possible tell that you were thinking too hard about that post, and baddies must generate content whole-cloth. Could be an indication of teamwork, again playing off meta.

"Mind Meld" I guess - I thought it looked like nervous laughter.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:27 pm Long Con could yet get my vote too, although I tend to start reading him well if I give him some time, which I'm always mindful of.

I need more content, I think. I haven't fully gotten into this yet. Just caught up.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 3:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:23 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:08 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:35 pm I think I see BWT's false info gambit exactly as MP and Epi have expressed it as well. The only way it makes sense as a scum ploy is if he's serving us a healthy heap of WIFOM right off the bat. I don't know him well enough to say with any confidence how likely he is to do that, but my gut tells me it's unlikely.

So what made you vote for him?

Indecision and the speculation that players could be opportunistically piling pressure onto Long Con.

I hope I make sense with what I'm getting ready to say.

bird threw something out there that was, from my perspective, an inconsequential lie (for us) that could have probably gotten him lynched (given his track record).

You threw this out there:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:41 pm Pile votes on Long Con, let's go.

To me, that's a bit more obvious bait than someone claiming Day 0 information to get people moving on a Day 0 poll.

It's so obvious, you only got (?) one person to vote, and that was...bird. If in fact you got him to vote because of what you said (I don't think you got anybody to vote LC because of your pile on post).

You counted DDL as a bite, but that doesn't make sense to me either.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:48 pm Contrary to my previous stance of "Pile all votes on Long Con", I am wary of people who have piled suspicion on Long Con, even though I count myself among them. Regardless of how I feel about the Day 1 case around him, I can't ignore that there is easy potential for this bandwagon to be driven by opportunistic scums right off the bat.

That means posts like these catch my eye:

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:55 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:33 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:11 am Epi vs LC, aka "El Clásico"

I know, right? I mean, I was just joking around... but Epi's reaction! I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he totally freaked out. He demanded four times that I substantiate my claims, then he throws out a weak-ass OMGUS, and then demands opinions from everyone on it.

Not to mention he completely ignored Wilgy, who also made a very similar joke. I guess he understood that Wilgy's post was a joke, but not mine. This is unexpectedly juicy Night 0 stuff!

I don't like the tone of this post. Sounds like you are trying to make him look back without engaging him yourself.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:36 am Since votes are changeable, I'm going to go ahead and put mine on Long Con for now. But since it's still early on Day 1, it's a very weak baddie read right now, but looking back at the initial start I feel like LC looks more bad than Epig.

If I were someone else I'd be wary of me too.

As an aside, my Q and w keys are not working, so any time I need to call in either of those letters I've been copy & pasting from elsewhere on the page. I just want to document my struggle and ask if anyone knows a better solution than my Ctrl + v strategy.

I wouldn't regard either of these are piling suspicion on Long Con. You do though. And you voted birdwithteeth11, and then moved your vote to DDL.

This all strikes me a charade- a dance, if you will- intended to protect Long Con while giving yourself an avenue of looking open-minded in case he got lynched after all.

"Look at all the opportunistic mafia! All two of them!"

This whole post strikes me as a poor reading of my own posts. I think it's pretty clear that my position on Long Con has not wavered. He has been my preferred lynch candidate for the entire day to this point. However, I was wary of the ease with which a bandwagon was forming against him, and the one-sided direction of the conversation in the thread, a point which I have brought up several times today. Epi himself has expressed the same sentiment, and yet he holds it against me for doing exactly what he himself is doing.
Furthermore, he interprets this post of mine in a much harsher light than I think anyone should. I obviously have a self-favoring bias here, but I think my first paragraph emphasizes the point that I'm not accusing either bwt or ddl of nefariously piling on suspicion, rather merely acknowledging the possibility of such a strategy being used at this stage in the game:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:48 pm Contrary to my previous stance of "Pile all votes on Long Con", I am wary of people who have piled suspicion on Long Con, even though I count myself among them. Regardless of how I feel about the Day 1 case around him, I can't ignore that there is easy potential for this bandwagon to be driven by opportunistic scums right off the bat.

There's also a clear indication that my "pile votes on LC" comment was to be taken as a true stance of mine, and not a trap being set for others, as Epi so liberally discerned. I then highlighted two posts which might represent this hypothetical strategy I had become wary of and Epi presented a case against me based off of this as though I had come down hard on both bwt and ddl in an attempt to save Long Con, the player whose lynch I was advocating for at the time.

I do not think this is an honest case from Epi, but that might just mean he's pushing my buttons to see how I'll react. However, this has given me just enough pause to make me reconsider my stance on Epi and, by extension, LC as well. I'll see where my head is at in the morning, but I wanted to get this out before going to sleep.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:58 pm
The meta BWT stuff has only moved him up to a null read for me. I'm not buying that he is town just because of the N0 info lie thing. That won't cut it for me. I can see either motive for it.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:20 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:16 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:03 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:01 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:50 pm I'm voting for @Spacedaisy because I want her to say things and she makes me nervous when she isn't posting.

If this came from anyone else I could excuse it, but this guy right here knows that I have barely been on the site in the last few days. He knows that I am juggling multiple writing projects in addition to two games. He knows I've been exhausted and slept a lot more than normal. So tell me why this guy says me being quiet is shady. No, I'm not buying this.

*votes MP*

Woah, hold your horse there. I know you've been really busy and am aware of your preoccupations as well as your work schedule. It's merely a pressure vote. I didn't say you were shady; I just want you to say things and expressed that I get paranoid of you when you aren't talking.

I'm not sure what to make of this reaction, but I tentatively feel OK about it.

Here's the thing. When you are pressure voting someone you are upfront about it. No you didn't use the word shady. You said it makes you nervous when I'm not posting. You didn't say this is a pressure vote. You implied that me not posting is somehow scary. When you know that my not posting has zero to do with my alignment.

I literally said "because I want her to say things". I thought that made it evident enough that it was a vote designed to get you to say things. And it does make me nervous when you're not posting; that's a general fact regardless of the circumstances that may have been keeping you from posting in this game. You and I both know I always try to sort you as quickly as possible for that reason.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:08 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:35 pm I think I see BWT's false info gambit exactly as MP and Epi have expressed it as well. The only way it makes sense as a scum ploy is if he's serving us a healthy heap of WIFOM right off the bat. I don't know him well enough to say with any confidence how likely he is to do that, but my gut tells me it's unlikely.

So what made you vote for him?

Indecision and the speculation that players could be opportunistically piling pressure onto Long Con.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:41 pm Pile votes on Long Con, let's go.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:48 pm Contrary to my previous stance of "Pile all votes on Long Con", I am wary of people who have piled suspicion on Long Con, even though I count myself among them. Regardless of how I feel about the Day 1 case around him, I can't ignore that there is easy potential for this bandwagon to be driven by opportunistic scums right off the bat.

That means posts like these catch my eye:

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:55 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:33 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:11 am Epi vs LC, aka "El Clásico"

I know, right? I mean, I was just joking around... but Epi's reaction! I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he totally freaked out. He demanded four times that I substantiate my claims, then he throws out a weak-ass OMGUS, and then demands opinions from everyone on it.

Not to mention he completely ignored Wilgy, who also made a very similar joke. I guess he understood that Wilgy's post was a joke, but not mine. This is unexpectedly juicy Night 0 stuff!

I don't like the tone of this post. Sounds like you are trying to make him look back without engaging him yourself.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:36 am Since votes are changeable, I'm going to go ahead and put mine on Long Con for now. But since it's still early on Day 1, it's a very weak baddie read right now, but looking back at the initial start I feel like LC looks more bad than Epig.

If I were someone else I'd be wary of me too.

As an aside, my Q and w keys are not working, so any time I need to call in either of those letters I've been copy & pasting from elsewhere on the page. I just want to document my struggle and ask if anyone knows a better solution than my Ctrl + v strategy.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:05 pm Moving my vote to @nutella

I await Daisy's fully formed opinions, but that actually makes me feel good enough about her for now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:35 pm I think I see BWT's false info gambit exactly as MP and Epi have expressed it as well. The only way it makes sense as a scum ploy is if he's serving us a healthy heap of WIFOM right off the bat. I don't know him well enough to say with any confidence how likely he is to do that, but my gut tells me it's unlikely.