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I know, right? I mean, I was just joking around... but Epi's reaction! I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he totally freaked out. He demanded four times that I substantiate my claims, then he throws out a weak-ass OMGUS, and then demands opinions from everyone on it.
You mean to say I'm...nervous?Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:33 amI know, right? I mean, I was just joking around... but Epi's reaction! I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he totally freaked out. He demanded four times that I substantiate my claims, then he throws out a weak-ass OMGUS, and then demands opinions from everyone on it.
Not to mention he completely ignored Wilgy, who also made a very similar joke. I guess he understood that Wilgy's post was a joke, but not mine. This is unexpectedly juicy Night 0 stuff!
Isn't it though!?
What were you afraid to fall for here, LC?
You said it, not me.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:40 amYou mean to say I'm...nervous?Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:33 amI know, right? I mean, I was just joking around... but Epi's reaction! I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he totally freaked out. He demanded four times that I substantiate my claims, then he throws out a weak-ass OMGUS, and then demands opinions from everyone on it.
Not to mention he completely ignored Wilgy, who also made a very similar joke. I guess he understood that Wilgy's post was a joke, but not mine. This is unexpectedly juicy Night 0 stuff!
1. Thanks for letting me know whether or not I was joking.speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:18 amIsn't it though!?
I'm not even under pressure and I'm still finding it impossible to see your posts in a joking light.
It wasn't a joke. If you were egging on Epi to get a reaction, which I could have bought, you wouldn't be backpedaling so ridiculously hard right now.
Afraid?
1. I calls them as I see them. I could have said "I don't believe it was a joke," I guess. I don't give a crap.
Some sort of labour-intensive Epi-history-search to prove exactly how he acts as a Civ or a baddie.
1. Well, I was there, I was me, it's Night 0, my first post, and I am quite sure I was joking around.speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:50 am1. I calls them as I see them. I could have said "I don't believe it was a joke," I guess. I don't give a crap.
2. Regarding backpedalling, I saw this interaction as you nudging Epi, then doubling down, then backing off and saying it all was a joke while pursuing Epi on a completely different trail. I don't understand how this is not backpedalling, and I'm pretty sure everyone who read my post knew what I meant.
Not the first time I've been checked on my use of terms on the site. It won't be the last. But it isn't helpful, and it doesn't change the observation I was trying to make. All it does is belittle me because I'm not as anal about term usage as other people.
3. No, please, go ahead. If I can discuss your posts/reactions, you can discuss Epi's. You're acting like I was trying to shut you up, which... doesn't come out of what I said. Why would you act like I was trying to silence you?
Let's go back to this post. Some people accepted it, all of us seem to have followed it in our votes, but I'm not as familiar with the origins of information like this being distributed. I don't think bwt lied maliciously and I see no real grounds for suspicion here, but how much stock, if any, should we put in a claim like his? Especially in a Heist.birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:08 pm I'm voting for Queensland because I have info that it will help the civ cause.
Let's see where that one leads us.
My impression was that he was just saying stuff to say stuff.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:13 amLet's go back to this post. Some people accepted it, all of us seem to have followed it in our votes, but I'm not as familiar with the origins of information like this being distributed. I don't think bwt lied maliciously and I see no real grounds for suspicion here, but how much stock, if any, should we put in a claim like his? Especially in a Heist.birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:08 pm I'm voting for Queensland because I have info that it will help the civ cause.
Let's see where that one leads us.
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:13 pmYes. I figured I might as well say something since most Day 0 conversations aren't super meaningful and we can have something to go off of early on.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:12 pmSo you're claiming Queensland is beneficial to the town cause but you're not sure how, do I have that right?birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:10 pmNot sure. I suppose we will find out once Day 0 ends.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:07 pm That said, does anyone have any idea what this search function will accomplish? It definitely is intriguing but I'm not sure how it would affect the game or how we are supposed to contemplate making the decision.
I'm not giving feedback. I'm scumhunting by providing my perspective. That doesn't mean I want you to stop. Activity is good. Heck, scummy activity is good. It's helpful for finding scum.
Why would you suspect me for that?
And now Epi's a town read.Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:57 pm "Epi's trying too hard. Usually he's bad when he does that. "
The issue I take with this is that this is untrue, especially lately. When I have been bad lately, I have been lazy as hell.
I want LC to substantiate his claims against me, since he thinks he knows me so well.
speedchuck is also a town read.speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:50 am1. I calls them as I see them. I could have said "I don't believe it was a joke," I guess. I don't give a crap.
2. Regarding backpedalling, I saw this interaction as you nudging Epi, then doubling down, then backing off and saying it all was a joke while pursuing Epi on a completely different trail. I don't understand how this is not backpedalling, and I'm pretty sure everyone who read my post knew what I meant.
Not the first time I've been checked on my use of terms on the site. It won't be the last. But it isn't helpful, and it doesn't change the observation I was trying to make. All it does is belittle me because I'm not as anal about term usage as other people.
3. No, please, go ahead. If I can discuss your posts/reactions, you can discuss Epi's. You're acting like I was trying to shut you up, which... doesn't come out of what I said. Why would you act like I was trying to silence you?
I think I always do. Your friendliness always strikes me as false.
I think it's a reasonable claim. In many games back on Lostpedia/The Piano/Revolutionmafia before The Syndicate was founded, as well as in the early days of this site, it was very commonplace to start out the game with Day 0 with a poll like this. The host(s) often would PM a few randomly selected townies informing them of the option that was town-friendly, and same with the mafia team and independent faction. However, the results of the Day 0 poll usually weren't evident to everyone until the end of the game so that it didn't out people. There were variations, naturally, especially increasingly so over time as hosts became more creative, but a scenario in which each option corresponded to a faction and the option to receive the most votes "wins" for that faction was common when I started playing back in 2010. Another somewhat common variation developed where instead the Day 0 options individualized results (see: my Super Meat Boy game here on TS), where if one player voted for one option maybe it did nothing but another player voted for a different option which gave them a +1 vote for Day 1 or any number of things.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:13 amLet's go back to this post. Some people accepted it, all of us seem to have followed it in our votes, but I'm not as familiar with the origins of information like this being distributed. I don't think bwt lied maliciously and I see no real grounds for suspicion here, but how much stock, if any, should we put in a claim like his? Especially in a Heist.birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:08 pm I'm voting for Queensland because I have info that it will help the civ cause.
Let's see where that one leads us.
I read it as "figured I might as well say something" now, as in he figured he might as well say something re: information right off the bat rather than wait.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:28 amMy impression was that he was just saying stuff to say stuff.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:13 amLet's go back to this post. Some people accepted it, all of us seem to have followed it in our votes, but I'm not as familiar with the origins of information like this being distributed. I don't think bwt lied maliciously and I see no real grounds for suspicion here, but how much stock, if any, should we put in a claim like his? Especially in a Heist.birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:08 pm I'm voting for Queensland because I have info that it will help the civ cause.
Let's see where that one leads us.
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:13 pmYes. I figured I might as well say something since most Day 0 conversations aren't super meaningful and we can have something to go off of early on.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:12 pmSo you're claiming Queensland is beneficial to the town cause but you're not sure how, do I have that right?birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:10 pmNot sure. I suppose we will find out once Day 0 ends.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:07 pm That said, does anyone have any idea what this search function will accomplish? It definitely is intriguing but I'm not sure how it would affect the game or how we are supposed to contemplate making the decision.
You're not the only one, apparently.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:22 pmI think I always do. Your friendliness always strikes me as false.
I still like to include some sort of informationally meaningful Day 0 poll. My favourite was the Erlatz Eleven - 11 voters on one choice, and it was known that one of them got recruited to a bad team. Fun!MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:26 pmI think it's a reasonable claim. In many games back on Lostpedia/The Piano/Revolutionmafia before The Syndicate was founded, as well as in the early days of this site, it was very commonplace to start out the game with Day 0 with a poll like this. The host(s) often would PM a few randomly selected townies informing them of the option that was town-friendly, and same with the mafia team and independent faction. However, the results of the Day 0 poll usually weren't evident to everyone until the end of the game so that it didn't out people. There were variations, naturally, especially increasingly so over time as hosts became more creative, but a scenario in which each option corresponded to a faction and the option to receive the most votes "wins" for that faction was common when I started playing back in 2010. Another somewhat common variation developed where instead the Day 0 options individualized results (see: my Super Meat Boy game here on TS), where if one player voted for one option maybe it did nothing but another player voted for a different option which gave them a +1 vote for Day 1 or any number of things.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:13 amLet's go back to this post. Some people accepted it, all of us seem to have followed it in our votes, but I'm not as familiar with the origins of information like this being distributed. I don't think bwt lied maliciously and I see no real grounds for suspicion here, but how much stock, if any, should we put in a claim like his? Especially in a Heist.birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:08 pm I'm voting for Queensland because I have info that it will help the civ cause.
Let's see where that one leads us.
He could be lying, but I tentatively don't see any reason for why anyone would lie about this, especially since games with Day 0 polls accompanied by information have completely fallen out of style for a few years now.
Were you telling the truth?birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:46 pm Since I was asked...
Epig strikes me as good for now. Only thing that makes me wonder is how he suspects MP for his large amounts of posting (which is pretty normal for him last time I checked), but then says his "friendliness always strikes me as false".
LC is....god knows what. I've given up on early reads on him.
As for my initial post, I'd rather get that kind of information out in the open early on and let people decide what they want to do with it. Some will believe me and some won't for sure. But it also helps start to generate some initial discussion when there is nothing to go off of.
If any post produces suspicion against Long Con, it's this one. I agree with Speedchuck that there is an impression of backtracking here in his "I was joking" stance. It may be the case that he was just playfully poking at Epi initially, but the way this post is constructed gives me the impression that he is seizing on the existing backlash against Epi's response to turn it willfully into a bandwagon.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:33 amI know, right? I mean, I was just joking around... but Epi's reaction! I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he totally freaked out. He demanded four times that I substantiate my claims, then he throws out a weak-ass OMGUS, and then demands opinions from everyone on it.
Not to mention he completely ignored Wilgy, who also made a very similar joke. I guess he understood that Wilgy's post was a joke, but not mine. This is unexpectedly juicy Night 0 stuff!
It's a thing. Might have some effect on the game.
I don't like the tone of this post. Sounds like you are trying to make him look back without engaging him yourself.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:33 amI know, right? I mean, I was just joking around... but Epi's reaction! I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he totally freaked out. He demanded four times that I substantiate my claims, then he throws out a weak-ass OMGUS, and then demands opinions from everyone on it.
Not to mention he completely ignored Wilgy, who also made a very similar joke. I guess he understood that Wilgy's post was a joke, but not mine. This is unexpectedly juicy Night 0 stuff!
"Seizing on the existing backlash"?Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:49 pmIf any post produces suspicion against Long Con, it's this one. I agree with Speedchuck that there is an impression of backtracking here in his "I was joking" stance. It may be the case that he was just playfully poking at Epi initially, but the way this post is constructed gives me the impression that he is seizing on the existing backlash against Epi's response to turn it willfully into a bandwagon.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:33 amI know, right? I mean, I was just joking around... but Epi's reaction! I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he totally freaked out. He demanded four times that I substantiate my claims, then he throws out a weak-ass OMGUS, and then demands opinions from everyone on it.
Not to mention he completely ignored Wilgy, who also made a very similar joke. I guess he understood that Wilgy's post was a joke, but not mine. This is unexpectedly juicy Night 0 stuff!
I'm supposed to want to engage Epi? What good will that do?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:55 pmI don't like the tone of this post. Sounds like you are trying to make him look bad without engaging him yourself.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:33 amI know, right? I mean, I was just joking around... but Epi's reaction! I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he totally freaked out. He demanded four times that I substantiate my claims, then he throws out a weak-ass OMGUS, and then demands opinions from everyone on it.
Not to mention he completely ignored Wilgy, who also made a very similar joke. I guess he understood that Wilgy's post was a joke, but not mine. This is unexpectedly juicy Night 0 stuff!