The Syndicate

Elohcin wrote:I'm so glad I could redeem myself (after being fooled by the tricksy Epi) and still help the civs win. This was a very fun game.

I really wasn't trying to fool anybody after timmer died.

DFaraday wrote:Good job, BDH and Eloh!

I knew Epi was bad once he put me on the two person lynch poll. I decided to point in his direction as my dying act. And I was right about Epi and Timmer being teammates, I just got the wrong team.

Fella, we were trying our hardest to get two mafia up there. We failed to engineer that.

We knew if we could get rid of the Crooked Cops, we'd be golden, but we sucked ass at it.

DharmaHelper wrote:Also,

Spoiler: show

Five candy bars for $5? In THIS economy? Dream on buddy.

The Riddler needs a visit from The Count, ah ah ah.

DharmaHelper wrote:I'm not even sure what "A bracket 73 gun Capone snake jet o lady nes" is supposed to mean.

It's a variation of a riddle you solved on RM, if I'm not mistaken.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:To be clear, there is only one Riddler.

His sorry ass retired.

You call these riddles?

Beats staring at a screen with a blinky dot.

DharmaHelper wrote:To be clear, there is only one Riddler.

His sorry ass retired.

LoRab wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

LoRab wrote:Go civs!!!

Sorry I didn't play very well this game. My instincts were totally off in the front end of the game. Sorry I killed you, Matt. I had the pistol at the time.

I felt really guilty taking everyone's items if they voted the way I wanted them to in BTSC. But it was also a fun game to pick the right target.

Also, much easier to start a BTSC chat, without being able to reveal who you are (either role or player), and have the other person believe you are civ. I subtly or not so subtly revealed my identity to those players to whom it made sense. Others I left more ambiguity.

My last BTSC was Epi. Mid way through I knew he was bad because he lied to me, and I knew it--but he lied well enough that I had a glimmer doubt in myself and totally played that moment poorly and basically point blank asked why he was .lying. He gave a good enough answer that I could talk myself into a plausible reason that he'd believe that I possibly believed him (something about maybe his power was stolen that night, so it showed up as a fail for him). But I could have played out that moment much more gracefully by just saying, "Oh, ok," and not pursuing further conversation.

What's funny is that I thought that if he was bad he was Y/Y. And I took the risk that if he thought he could trust that I trusted him, he'd keep me around, at least for a little while. When I was killed that night, I assumed that I was wrong and he actually was a cop. And until he was revealed, went with that assumption and kept kicking myself for taking the risk of revealing myself to him and thinking he wouldn't kill me right away.

Turns out, the other mafia decided to kill me. Curious why they decided to kill me!

linkitis: @Epi: Not only did I know that I was asked about coffee when I was LD-ed that night, but I also knew from russ that Carlton wanted the coffee.

That was an intense time. I falsely pretended to think you were BDH, if you recall. I didn't want you to think I knew it was you (I actually had it figured between you or Quin, and when I fished around for your history on rabbit8, I knew it couldn't be Quin, because Quin didn't play with him on RM). We tried to cover our bases by killing both you and Quin anyway.

Still, a pants-changing moment in the game for me. I'm glad you won.

But you didn't kill me. The cops did.

We tried. See the riddles.

LoRab wrote:Go civs!!!

Sorry I didn't play very well this game. My instincts were totally off in the front end of the game. Sorry I killed you, Matt. I had the pistol at the time.

I felt really guilty taking everyone's items if they voted the way I wanted them to in BTSC. But it was also a fun game to pick the right target.

Also, much easier to start a BTSC chat, without being able to reveal who you are (either role or player), and have the other person believe you are civ. I subtly or not so subtly revealed my identity to those players to whom it made sense. Others I left more ambiguity.

My last BTSC was Epi. Mid way through I knew he was bad because he lied to me, and I knew it--but he lied well enough that I had a glimmer doubt in myself and totally played that moment poorly and basically point blank asked why he was .lying. He gave a good enough answer that I could talk myself into a plausible reason that he'd believe that I possibly believed him (something about maybe his power was stolen that night, so it showed up as a fail for him). But I could have played out that moment much more gracefully by just saying, "Oh, ok," and not pursuing further conversation.

What's funny is that I thought that if he was bad he was Y/Y. And I took the risk that if he thought he could trust that I trusted him, he'd keep me around, at least for a little while. When I was killed that night, I assumed that I was wrong and he actually was a cop. And until he was revealed, went with that assumption and kept kicking myself for taking the risk of revealing myself to him and thinking he wouldn't kill me right away.

Turns out, the other mafia decided to kill me. Curious why they decided to kill me!

linkitis: @Epi: Not only did I know that I was asked about coffee when I was LD-ed that night, but I also knew from russ that Carlton wanted the coffee.

That was an intense time. I falsely pretended to think you were BDH, if you recall. I didn't want you to think I knew it was you (I actually had it figured between you or Quin, and when I fished around for your history on rabbit8, I knew it couldn't be Quin, because Quin didn't play with him on RM). We tried to cover our bases by killing both you and Quin anyway.

Still, a pants-changing moment in the game for me. I'm glad you won.

Quin wrote:I didn't get a single one of those riddles

I got accused of inactivity a few times, but that was just me coming up with the damn riddles.

I got BTSC with Lorab.

I was pretending to be BDH's role since he polygraphed me and I knew something about it. I lied about being blocked Night 2 and changed only one of the questions to reflect the item I needed (instead of BDH's coffee), which just so happened to be the freaking Night Lorab got polygraphed and asked about coffee.

Holy shit was that intense.

In case it wasn't clear, if at any point I decide I can't win as mafia and there are two mafias, I play for the civilians.

Alea iacta est

It doesn't matter what I think anymore.

insertnamehere wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Hey INH, why did you change your mind about me being Yin?

I changed my mind when I saw you claiming and hinting at being Yin.

My initial judgment of you being Yin was based on how you treated sig, who I suspected to be Yang after MM flipped Cop. After sig flipped civ, I basically threw all my old reads out the window.

What if you're wrong?

Hey INH, why did you change your mind about me being Yin?

bird I just wish would read the damn thread before posting in increments.

insertnamehere wrote:

Epignosis wrote:And who is that?

I dunno. Maybe me, maybe Elo, maybe Russ, maybe Lassie-I mean BDH.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if he tried to kill you?

It amazes me that BDH is okay voting with you.

And who is that?

insertnamehere wrote:Hmm. Lemme see.

Who is Yin killing?

Who is the Yin to timmer's Yang?

Poll runs till Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:29 pm
You may select 1 option

BigDamnHero
0
No votes

birdwithteeth11
1
Epignosis (2)
6%

Elohcin
0
No votes

Epignosis
4
insertnamehere (3), BigDamnHero (11), Russtifinko (13), birdwithteeth11 (15)
25%

insertnamehere
0
No votes

Russtifinko 2.0
1
Elohcin (16)
6%

Alfred Hitchcock (hosts, deadies, non-players)
10
MovingPictures07 (1), timmer (4), JaggedJimmyJay (5), DFaraday (6), Metalmarsh89 (7), Spacedaisy (8), Quin (9), Scotty (10), LoRab (12), Turnip Head (14)
63%


Total votes : 16

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Where are the Crooked Cops voting?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Epi, care to answer BDH's question? 6 players alive, 3 are bad. We know you think I'm one of the baddies, so who are the other 2?

No.

Big Damn Hero is a big damn boy. If he wants to vote me, he can. Where he votes is his decision.

Sure, he can vote wherever he wants. Not sure how that's relevant. Going beyond today's lynch, you don't think having everyone's opinions out in the open might help us solve and thus win the game?

Very well, since you asked for it.

I am voting birdwithteeth11. Nobody else is. People (you and INH) have talked about birdwithteeth11 being bad, but nobody but me has acted on it by this point. That tells me that no civilian (except me ) thinks birdwithteeth11 is bad and should be lynched today. If either of you genuinely thought birdwithteeth11 was bad, you would be voting him, not me, because he already has my vote.

I believe BDH is a civilian. I got the impression that Elohcin is independent.

I predict birdwithteeth11 votes for Russ, and that INH and Russ both jump off me and vote birdwithteeth11 to force the tie. That's what you two are setting everybody up for. There is only one team with two living members, and that's The Crooked Cops.

It's awfully uncomfortable in here, isn't it?

I think nobody is voting for me because the baddie teams are dueling it out and trying to get pole position by knocking each other out. Voting for someone that is a civ and getting a civ lynched could potentially doom the Crooked Cops. Especially if Yin (you) takes out one of them today (still think you're targeting INH).

But you already exposed your little game, so nice try.

You really have a lot to learn about me, bird.

It doesn't matter who is bad. It matters who is a Crooked Cop. I tried in vain to get people to understand that, but apparently birdwithteeth11 either doesn't understand or doesn't care.

This is a



You gave the Crooked Cops exactly what they needed.

Bravo.

insertnamehere wrote:Epi, I'm not about to change my vote for the world. I'm ride or die voting you all the way. If nobody wants to back me up, fine.

But I'm gonna stay right where I am no matter what.

That's good.

Now everybody else can lynch Russ with no fuss.

Eloh, if you trust me, don't vote BDH. Vote Russ.

Hell, I bet if you got just two votes on Russ and birdwithteeth11 didn't even vote, INH and Russ would both scurry to vote birdwithteeth11. They've both left the door open for it.

BigDamnHero:

Weigh my contributions and analysis with the input from Russ and INH. While you do, consider all of these points:

1. I believe I reasonably established that neither of them can be the independent (INH allowed that Russ could be a civilian, which means that if you are a civilian, both of them can't be.

2. This means at least one of the voters on me is bad.

3. That means you, a civilian, are voting alongside at least one mafia member.

4. INH said I was either a confused civilian or Yin just two Days ago, and now, with no progression of thought, says I can't possibly be Yin. Yet he agrees with my analysis about the necessity of a Crooked Cop death today. Huh.

5. Given that one of Russ and INH almost certainly have to be bad, why aren't they tearing each other apart? They should be at each others' throats in a display of total carnage in order to expose the villain. Instead, they are holding hands and voting together against me. That is a red flag.

6. They both named birdwithteeth11 as a bad guy. birdwithteeth11 has one vote already. He could be lynched. Neither of them are voting him. They are voting me. INH is pretending he thinks I have to be a Crooked Cop despite his opinion that vanished from two Days ago that vanished like a fart in the wind, and Russtifinko's ruse is, "Well gee, I don't want to cause a tie." Why is he afraid of a tie? There are two civilians remaining!

I believe INH and Russ are the Crooked Cops, and they don't mind how grimy they look at this point because victory is one lynch from their grasp. I believe if you, Elohcin, and birdwithteeth11 all vote Russ, Russ and INH will have no choice but to move their votes to birdwithteeth11, whom they don't really believe is bad because they aren't voting there already. They are only voting me because you are, BDH. Don't let them hide behind you like that. Cause that tie and make them sweat. Make them afraid of you.

BDH, I don't mean to put this kind of pressure on you, and I realize you think I'm bad. I get that. But if this Day phase does not grab a Crooked Cop, then this website is going to have to live with the shame that the civilians lost to a mafia team that had three kills the entire time. And that's just sad.

BigDamnHero wrote:If that's not protecting a partner I don't know what is...

Who is protecting whom?

insertnamehere wrote:How'd we know you aren't a Crooked Cop, Epi? You keep saying that we need to protect Yin and lynch a cop, and yeah, I buy that logic, but how are we supposed to buy your Yin claims? Wouldn't the Crooked Cops be super hell bent on steering this lynch?

What makes you Yin and not a Cop, Epi?

And furthermore, while you're doing scenarios, why don't you run the ones where we lynch a civilian or the independent? Obviously, the Cops would want Yin out, but would just voting out anyone but themselves be as advantageous?

My theory is that you're a Cop, Epi. And you have no damn idea who Yin is. So you figure the best way to find him is to lure him out by claiming to be him. Your back-up plan consists of following your in-thread suspicions by lynching the easy targets of me and Russ. As long as they ain't you or your partner, you're golden.

Epignosis wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:I don't buy for one second that he's Yin, because he's too goddamned smug to be the last member of a serial killer duo one lynch away from losing the entire thing.

insertnamehere wrote:Epig seems like one of two things: Either a confuzzled, frazzled civ, or Mr. Yin. As of right now, I'm leaning towards the former. He's formed a little clique around himself, namely BDH, Elo, and BWT that I find a little bit more lynch-worthy than the man himself.

That was two Days ago. I'm either Yin or a civilian.

It was also two Days ago that you called BDH more "lynch-worthy" because he was a part of my "clique." Whatever that means. Now you're posting overly dramatic gifs complaining about me "getting away with it."

You are bad. And nervous that this isn't going to work out for you after all.

Keep changing your story, INH. I just hope BDH changes his vote.

BigDamnHero wrote:I think I'm Yin's target. Eliminating me keeps everyone at odds with everyone else.

And if yin is lynched, the game is NOT necessarily over.

The Crooked Cops know each other. The civilians and independent do not. The Crooked Cops can only kill civilians and the independent at this point. Yin can kill Crooked Cops. Let's play out the possible scenarios.

Yin kills a civilian today and you lynch Yin

Civilian
Civilian
Crooked Cop
Crooked Cop
Yin
Independent

That's a Crooked Cop win. No question about it.

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Yin kills a civilian today and you lynch a Crooked Cop (or the other way around)

Civilian
Civilian
Crooked Cop
Crooked Cop
Yin
Independent

The Crooked Cops then kill the other civilian or the independent. That leaves a bizarre endgame scenario in which there's a civilian or independent, a Crooked Cop, and Yin. I'm not sure how that would work out, but it isn't a civilian win.

++++

Yin kills a Crooked Cop and you lynch a Crooked Cop

Civilian
Civilian
Crooked Cop
Crooked Cop
Yin
Independent

This is ideal, as it eliminates the Crooked Cops and the Night kill. Yin doesn't kill at Night, and the civilians have a 2-1 advantage over Yin. That is an avenue that can lead to a civilian win, or less likely, a Yin win.

++++

The takeaway here is twofold:

First, it would be foolish for Yin to deliberately select a civilian to die today. It either guarantees a Crooked Cop win or sets up the bizarre scenario. Yin needs a Crooked Cop dead today to even have a chance. The civilians need a Crooked Cop dead to even have a chance.

Second, it's obvious given the above scenarios that the ideal one is for the Crooked Cops to lynch Yin, because they cannot Night kill him. If Yin did not choose to kill a Crooked Cop and they successfully lynch Yin, this is all over and they have won.

BigDamnHero wrote:I think I'm Yin's target. Eliminating me keeps everyone at odds with everyone else.

And if yin is lynched, the game is NOT necessarily over.

Why do you think Yin targeted you?

BigDamnHero wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

BigDamnHero wrote:I don't think INH is a cop nor is he yin.

Can you elaborate? B/c I think he looks pretty bad when he tries to defend himself against accusations.

To take Epi's approach from earlier today, I could but I won't. I've gone over everything at my disposal and it all points to Epi being a baddie role and INH not being a cop or Yin. I have no firm grasp.on you, BWT (who I don't believe has posted in the past 24-48 hrs., which is disheartening) or Russ. I'm either right or I'm wrong. Admittedly, I'm quite frustrated at this point but it's only a game (which while I've enjoyed playing serves as a reminder why I don't play mafia anymore) and not worth giving myself an ulcer over any longer. Here's to hoping my logic has added up, but if not, congrats to all those who've outplayed me.

Do you agree with what I said at the end of this post?

BigDamnHero wrote:I don't think INH is a cop nor is he yin.

And I see you've voted me.

Ah well. What a pity.

Yin is the only thing keeping this game still going. If he dies, the game is over.

BigDamnHero wrote:linkin @Epi: say we lynch a cop...that leaves 2 civs (who can't be sure of each other), an indy (who is out for himself) a cop and a serial killer. The serial killer has already (presumeably) decided who dies after the lynch. That killer is the ONLY person who can basically guarantee a kill since there are still condtions attached to the cop NK and the civs don't have one. Then come Day 9, we are just right back where we started.

The only power (aside from a conditional NK) the cops have is to vote together. so IF we can lynch Yin today and not spilt vote tomorrow, this defuses that advantage considerably.

Two Civilians
Two Cops
One Yin
One Indy

Yin is getting somebody today. Could be a civilian, could be a cop, could be the independent. That's unknown. Suppose he didn't though. If Yin is lynched, that leaves...

Two Civilians
Two Cops
One Indy

...during a Night phase. The Crooked Cops have killed the last two Nights. If they kill a civilian, it's over, because the independent can win with any team. The cops will have won.

You absolutely need a Crooked Cop dead today. A civilian can only pray that Yin targeted a Crooked Cop too.

Relax. Post incoming.

BigDamnHero wrote:Epi said in his plea to BWT, Eloh and myself that we have to get a cop lynched today...but realistically it'd be more of a priority since Yin can kill indiscriminately whereas the cops have failed several times at killing.

Can you talk me through this? I'm not sure I understand.

Russtifinko wrote:

Epignosis wrote:They name Elohcin, bwt, and me as bad.

Once again, I said I'm not sure between you and INH. Stop lying about things so easy to fact check.

I'm lying? Really now.

Your vote is on me. That's quite enough to say you've named me as bad.

insertnamehere wrote:I don't buy for one second that he's Yin, because he's too goddamned smug to be the last member of a serial killer duo one lynch away from losing the entire thing.

insertnamehere wrote:Epig seems like one of two things: Either a confuzzled, frazzled civ, or Mr. Yin. As of right now, I'm leaning towards the former. He's formed a little clique around himself, namely BDH, Elo, and BWT that I find a little bit more lynch-worthy than the man himself.

That was two Days ago. I'm either Yin or a civilian.

It was also two Days ago that you called BDH more "lynch-worthy" because he was a part of my "clique." Whatever that means. Now you're posting overly dramatic gifs complaining about me "getting away with it."

You are bad. And nervous that this isn't going to work out for you after all.

insertnamehere wrote:So just because an indie role can win with anyone, is that supposed to mean that it can't help a civilian win? That it can't try to pick a side? And you don't know what powers that independent role has, Epi. You don't know squat.

I didn't say an independent can't help a civilian win. I said I don't think the independent is trying to influence things one way or the other.

What "powers" an independent has is irrelevant to his win condition.

What squat I know is written in the host post on the front page. The independent wins with anybody. That means the independent has no stake in anybody else.

insertnamehere wrote:And here we are, Psych Mafia, where Epi continually lead lynches against civilian after civilian that I didn't agree with, and someone other than myself sees this damn pattern again.

It's insane how goddamn slippery Epignosis is. He's like a wet bar of soap covered in a mixture of lubricant and pig lard in zero gravity.

And you can't read his fuckin' posts and tell me that he isn't acting like a smug baddie here. He's acting the exact same as he did in The goddamned Office.

I don't buy for one second that he's Yin, because he's too goddamned smug to be the last member of a serial killer duo one lynch away from losing the entire thing.

If you all go along with him for another lynch, and Russ flips civ, at that point, I won't even be angry. I'll probably laugh my ass off at how thoroughly good he is at this damn game.

And how good he is at driving me up the wall.

Another delicious piece of data.

"If...Russ flips civ."

If I'm right about BDH being a civilian, then that means you aren't one.

Keep talking INH.

Everyone else, keeping voting Russtifinko.

To make things clearer, INH and Russ are both fighting the fight. I mean really sweating the sweat.

They name Elohcin, bwt, and me as bad.

That means they believe BDH, INH, and Russ comprise two civilians and the independent.

Spacedaisy wrote:

Independent (1)

Pierre Despereaux – If alignment checked, he appears as a baddie. He may win with any team. (Secrets)

This guy.

This guy doesn't give a shit what side wins.

I believe by this point, Mr. Despereaux has either satisfied his win condition or screwed the pooch. Either way, he wouldn't be in here building cases and making a big whoop-de-doo throwing around accusations at this stage. I figure he would find a comfortable spot against the gas station wall, light a Pall Mall, and watch the action. Or maybe go home and bang the babysitter. Who knows.

What I do know is that if I am correct that BDH is a civilian, then from BDH's perspective, the accusations INH and Russ are making have to be mutually exclusive bullshit unless you buy either one of them is the independent. And you shouldn't buy that either one of them is the independent. They're in here being movers and shakers.

insertnamehere wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Just had a thought that may be worth pointing out:

Crooked Cops, you guys are gonna want to try to get Mr. Yin lynched today. You get him, NK a civvie, and the game is over. If, on the other hand, you lynch a civvie today, you can't kill Yin tomorrow night, and barring manipulation or some crazy persuasion, the vote tomorrow is a tie. Then one of you might die at the end of the Day phase from Yin's kill, and he wins. Just seems like more of a sure thing for you if you get him today.

You left out that Yin is killing somebody today and can't be stopped.

Are you now just claiming Yin? Jeez. I think that you're the one getting desperate here, Epi.

I claimed no such thing. What is desperate about claiming Yin? If he's lynched, the game is over and the Crooked Cops win. Russ laid that out already. He just left out an important detail is all.

Russtifinko wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Epi, care to answer BDH's question? 6 players alive, 3 are bad. We know you think I'm one of the baddies, so who are the other 2?

No.

Big Damn Hero is a big damn boy. If he wants to vote me, he can. Where he votes is his decision.

Sure, he can vote wherever he wants. Not sure how that's relevant. Going beyond today's lynch, you don't think having everyone's opinions out in the open might help us solve and thus win the game?

Very well, since you asked for it.

I am voting birdwithteeth11. Nobody else is. People (you and INH) have talked about birdwithteeth11 being bad, but nobody but me has acted on it by this point. That tells me that no civilian (except me ) thinks birdwithteeth11 is bad and should be lynched today. If either of you genuinely thought birdwithteeth11 was bad, you would be voting him, not me, because he already has my vote.

I believe BDH is a civilian. I got the impression that Elohcin is independent.

I predict birdwithteeth11 votes for Russ, and that INH and Russ both jump off me and vote birdwithteeth11 to force the tie. That's what you two are setting everybody up for. There is only one team with two living members, and that's The Crooked Cops.

It's awfully uncomfortable in here, isn't it?

Russtifinko wrote:Just had a thought that may be worth pointing out:

Crooked Cops, you guys are gonna want to try to get Mr. Yin lynched today. You get him, NK a civvie, and the game is over. If, on the other hand, you lynch a civvie today, you can't kill Yin tomorrow night, and barring manipulation or some crazy persuasion, the vote tomorrow is a tie. Then one of you might die at the end of the Day phase from Yin's kill, and he wins. Just seems like more of a sure thing for you if you get him today.

You left out that Yin is killing somebody today and can't be stopped.

Russtifinko wrote:Epi, care to answer BDH's question? 6 players alive, 3 are bad. We know you think I'm one of the baddies, so who are the other 2?

No.

Big Damn Hero is a big damn boy. If he wants to vote me, he can. Where he votes is his decision.

INH and Russ both think I'm bad, birdwithteeth11 is bad, and Elohcin is bad. Good to know.

Here's the full quote INH snipped.

Elohcin wrote:I don't know where Epi is. I mean, I know where he is physically, but I don't know why he hasn't graced us with his presence in the thread today and given any more input. I could swear by his gameplay that he is civ, but no one never really knows for sure.

Stephen King wrote a novel about you, INH:

Russ and INH are Crooked Cops. I would wager money on it. INH suddenly believed Russ and believed me less. How convenient.

Neither of them needed a reason to vote me out. "Care to explain this vote, Epi?" from INH is about what I expected. Russ is pretending to be open minded. He's not. He's pocketing BDH and refusing to vote his partner. That's plain as day. Nobody has express an interest in lynching birdwithteeth11 but me. Maybe bwt will get mad and vote for me too.

They are looking to finish this thing up.

Are you going to let them?

There are three votes left, and you three need to be unanimous. Vote Russtifinko and expose him for what he is. Make this an awesome comeback.

Remember: If you lynch anybody but a Crooked Cop today, and you aren't a Crooked Cop or the independent, you lose. Plain and simple.

BigDamnHero wrote:So obviously Epi got whammied by an item or else he wouldn't install vote one person and then recommend several other vote another. I'm gonna take time to which one of you other bastards I can trust. ATM, I'm leaning Russ, but that could very easily change.

To my civ counterpart, don't give up hope. I had previously thought that our victory was already squashed, but we've got a Hail Mary shot at taking the baddie teams out.

Take out Russ.

And I don't mean to dinner.