Long Con
I'm starting with LC because I've had the most overall trust in him.
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 12:24 am
Hi Kyle. Great to see you.
So, a bastard game... that means we will be lied to by the host? Maybe we already have been lied to?
What troubles me most here is that LC is aware of the idea that the host is unreliable. I guess what troubles me more is that he directly addresses Kyle(mii), who would later expound upon how "math" proves there can only be one mafia left.
Eh. Moving on.
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:54 am
Wow, nice job folks. Sorry I wasn't around, the Fair ended around 6 last night, and I was too exhausted after four days of morning-to-night work to think about Mafia. I actually got caught up about three minutes after the poll ended and stared blankly at the screen for another minute before fully getting it that I was too late.
The reaction to the Day 1 lynch is fair.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:00 am
indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:23 amI was actually just contemplating the pros and cons of doing a mass claim, and reading about it. I'm interested in hearing others' thoughts on this idea. When I was coming up in mafia (eons ago, LOL) info-dumping and role outing was a mod-kill offense. So this realm of role claiming and info-dumping is foreign soil to me. I know there are definitely pros and cons, and am interested in discussing whether we think it would be helpful, and at what point in the game it might be most helpful.
I don't think a massclaim is the best idea at this point.
This is an important post.
LC was quick to argue against people claiming so quickly. That leads to one of two scenarios:
LC is mafia and does not feel comfortable handling the fallout of such a thing.
LC is a civilian with a role he genuinely believes is helping the civilian faction and does not want to be killed for it.
More on this in a moment.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:44 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:17 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:11 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:07 pm
These votes are thin. This game is in thin water right now.
But blood is thicker than water, and there's some blood floating around here now.
Agree that Nut was somewhat of a surprising kill given the post restriction. But she was very unlikely to get lynched because of tipping the scales on Soneji.
Also Flash Hundred Yard Dash is a 'good guy' (probably), and nutella had the post restriction to prove it.
The anti-town faction(s) have fakeclaims, so don't get too crazy with this kind of talk.
There was a conversation about this. LC commented on how the mafia faction(s)(?) have fake claims. It was weird, but I remember discussing it.
For what it's worth, I don't think LC blurted this tidbit out into the thread.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:47 pm
Owner had their vote on you earlier, Kyle, following Epi and Sloonei's votes... now she has followed Dys's Sloonei vote. Maybe that's "casting a wide net", or maybe it's looking for a train to push all the way.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:56 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:52 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:49 pmDidn't get the linki on this. This is Owner's town game, then... what does Owner's scum game look like?
More narrow. Not actually trying to think about all kinds of angles.
I probably don't read Owner perfectly, but I'm not bad at it. Likely town imo.
It was your very recent game together that Owner publicly got town cred for "casting a wide net". You have no concerns that she might be emulating this praised behaviour?
There is a degree of suspicion against Owner.
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:43 pm
Ok, you want my reads, here's a rainbow:
Epignosis - I don't suspect Epi
Dyslexicon - Day 1 vote, townish presence
indiglo - Day 1 vote, looks good in-thread
Neverwhere - Don't know
Owner of a Lonely Heart - lots of bob-focus, slight nods to other possible cases but no follow up
MacDougall - not sure yet
colonialbob - I liked his defense against Owner's accusations
birdwithteeth11 - Not much here, voted off-wagon
Sloonei - not looking to lynch right now
Rej - some bad vibes, Miller claim is sketchy because it didn't go anywhere
Kylemii - possible scummate
speedchuck possible scummate
I'll
[VOTE:
speedchuck] aubergine now.
This is Day 2. I am never tip-top-teal-shit in LC's list Day 2.
What this tells me is that LC checked me and had a reason to believe I'm a civilian, which is what he's said all along.
I even accused LC of trying to get on my good side, but well, let's move on.
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:08 pm
Epi: what is the problem you have with those posts? Why are you concerned about it?
I don't recall the context, but LC asked me to clarify something, which, in light of the above, signifies that he genuinely trusted me.
I won't quote the next thing, but it was a large analysis of Owner that resulted in a "I would vote Owner," and then he defended my drinking from Owner who used it as a way to vote for me:
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:34 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:38 am
In the Scrimmage game with Epi, he was following his town circle. He had opinions.
Here, he's drinking. (not quite coffee)
He leaves an impression in my mind that there is something to be desired.
tl;dr
He feels different.
[VOTE:
Epig] aubergine
Drinking is Epi's usual MO. It's NAI, he feels normal to me.
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:00 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:51 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:00 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:49 pm
I also suspect Owner. I'll put a vote there at this time.
Just for the Rej stuff mentioned awhile ago or something else?
I also don't like the show you're putting on with the talking-to-self. It's an attempt to seem... thoughtful, maybe?
talking to self is nai, but you wouldn't have known that
LC pressed Owner further, who self-defended with a "you wouldn't have known that."
Owner kept bringing up "Scrimmage," and I don't remember Owner talking to self.
Maybe I don't remember it. I can look back easily.
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:32 pm
Hey, I see I have a few votes.. I'm at a concert so I can't address any issues. I can claim if need be, it's not a good idea to lynch me.
This is consistent with a cop who believes in himself.
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:55 pm
Guys don't vote speed chuck, I am quite sure he is civ.
This is too.
Again, a mafia LC would have no reason to come in and beg for the life of speedchuck when LC also had votes.
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:15 am
The last baddies have to be in Jinrou, Kyle, Logic, or Owner. I feel very good about Epi and bob, and indi and Dys are outside tinfoils... pretty far outside.
Additional evidence that LC believes who he says he is.
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:55 am
indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:32 am
indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:50 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:15 am
The last baddies have to be in Jinrou, Kyle, Logic, or Owner. I feel very good about Epi and bob, and indi and Dys are outside tinfoils... pretty far outside.
What if I told you I feel pretty good about Logic, and that I feel I may have been wrong about Jinrou?
LC, this is when I was 100% sure you were a cop too. I had suspected it already.
Just for the record, THIS is how we used to info-dump on LP back when info-dumping was illegal.
That's how we do! It's probably obvious at this point who I checked, but Epi N1, speedchuck N2, bob N3. All town results.
This could be a mafia member trying to gain backwards credibility, but LC didn't play it that way: Recall that he called me good Day 2. He then tried to avert a speedchuck lynch.
This is remarkably consistent.
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:25 pm
indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:39 pm
Hey, Zootopia is on TV right now!!! I haven't seen this since it came out in the theaters. Maybe it'll help.
What if the bunny cop has to find the otter for town to win? That's who she's looking for right now, and I think it's a pretty big plot point.
Someone was saying they thought... Rej?... was the Otter. But he's dead, so I dunno. The bunny cop probably just has to take out the mafia, I haven't seen anything that prompts too much speculation . Soneji was bad... there ARE baddies in this game.
LC commented on his own claimed role's win condition here.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:56 pm
Logic wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:21 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 pm
If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?
From what I remember of the movie, with the exception of one, the cops are just kinda incompetent.
Logic wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:00 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:15 am
The last baddies have to be in Jinrou, Kyle, Logic, or Owner. I feel very good about Epi and bob, and indi and Dys are outside tinfoils... pretty far outside.
I disagree with you about myself and Kyle, but think Kyle is less towny than Indi, Dys and Epi.
Who would you put as your bottom two; the ones you want lynched first?
I think I missed answering this yesterday. At this time, I would lynch Owner first, then Kyle, Jinrou, Logic from that list. I still don't want to lynch Epi, bob, or Dys.
I have to remind myself why I voted for Owner before, but I'll
[VOTE:
Owner] aubergine at this time. I am home and well-rested this evening (unlike the last few), so I'll be around until lynch time.
This man is on a mission.
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:09 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:07 pm
I feel confident that bob is bad.
I disagree. I believe the baddies are in Owner, Jinrou, or Kyle.
LC didn't turn this around on me. He believes in what he's selling.
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:33 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:27 pm
LC, on what basis are you trusting that you've cleared anybody? Don't go the indiglo route, but if there is bullshit afoot, and there quite likely is, I want the civilians to be in front of it, not stepping in it.
I have reason to believe some things.
I invited LC to question his results, and he chose not to waver. Mafia would appreciate the out.
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:42 am
Well, I checked Kyle last night and he came back as Civ. So I can vote for Owner or give up the idea that I'm actually a competent cop.
LC on a mission.
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:33 am
Epignosis, if my cop checks are bad, then why are you a civilian in this game?
I anticipated this question, and I'm glad LC asked it, because it shows he's open to me being bad after all, even though he has a clear path to win as mafia.
I'm satisfied. I need nothing else.
Long Con is a civilian and will not get my vote today. He is the Galapagos Tortoise. His stroll might be leisurely, but he leads you to the water.
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