The Syndicate

Transcend wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:36 am i have been wrong about nearly everything so i'm just gonna sheep y'all on falcon v

Transcend wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:54 pm Oh one final thing

Falcon who r u and y r u bein a chump

How do i have equity w naa

Bad birdy

Ima shit in ur bird seed

Transcend wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:42 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Fuck u

Transcend wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:43 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:42 pm who said Falcon is a wolf, I want to shake their hand

Brad the rad n1'd lad

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:45 am I'm also convinced that falcon is a scumfuck

But falcon/finger doesn't seem paired due to ~raisins~

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:37 am

Kami wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:34 am hollowkat/trans/falcon gg ez

I hate that u sr me and some other dude that i tr but this is probs a town slip given that there's 4 maf this game lol

But it's ok we can work on it

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:33 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:30 pm

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:25 pm bradley ur vote is probably valid but doggy thinks that falcon is likely town

(there's my tmi read of the game enjoy)

You really think so?

yeah he seems fairly reactive and some of his reactions were kinda scummy ngl but like i just don't think he'd put himself so out in the open so early as scum. tbh his response to ur push was kinda towny. i'm sure it didn't rlly help u out but still that's the vibes i got.

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:30 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:29 pm

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:29 pmhow 2 iso

Under the profile picture has the "Number of posts in the thread" thing. Click on the number.

thanks

how do u feel about the ppl voting falcon with u?

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:49 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:45 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:11 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:05 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:03 pm Let’s do this [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Strange that you're voting me instead of the one you claim is trying to pocket you, no?

Nah. It’s a framework. In it ur the obvious scum, esooa is sus for distracting me from you and Sean and ride or die homie. Could be entirely wrong, but that’s the frame work rn. If ur town, essoa look better and Sean looks worst

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:42 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:39 pm

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:30 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:29 pm

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:29 pmhow 2 iso

Under the profile picture has the "Number of posts in the thread" thing. Click on the number.

thanks

how do u feel about the ppl voting falcon with u?

Well so far I'm leaning Syn town currently for the opening interaction I've had with him. Plus I've maybe played 1 game with him? I remember him being this low energy and short posting as town. I don't see his reasoning to vote Falcon yet.

Made I have mostly null? The preflip and where he's going with the read is weird? Like him calling Falcon obvious scum sure enough, but the stuff with Esooa being the distraction I don't see currently?

Like in terms of sheeping me, like it makes sense since I literally wolf cased him 2 pages into the game. It's still super early so maybe not an opportunistic thing yet for scum to latch on?

ok so let's say for whatever reason ur wrong about falcon and he's just a townie that doesn't know how to take a joke

what would u make of made there?

Looking at what I bolded, if Falcon is town and Made is mafia, he spews Sean town because he's pre-emptively using a villager's death as a reason to push another villager.

No idea what it does for Esooa though.

this is a p good call I'd say

but in a world where falcon is town, do u think that made trends more towards town or maf?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:58 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:56 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:54 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:51 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:41 pm I wonder what to make of Ender doing nothing but straight sheeping at this point in the game.

I think it's mildly townie because I think Ender is the kind of person who would want to impact the game more as wolf and because the specific person he chose to sheep (ie. me) isn't a typical or good choice for a wolf employing this strategy.

that's true. I'm not sure why he's doing that though as town, tbh.

Maybe lazy. Maybe doesn't have many reads/can't get into the game so just sheeps.

Is there a reason to believe the same conditions wouldn't apply were Ender a wolf?

No. I'm saying that these are the most common reasons to hard sheep early as town.

I think he's town not for these reasons but because of what I said above, re: the impact + choice of sheep thing.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:18 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:34 pm I'm afraid that's rather shortsighted of you.

Guilty people use qualifying language far more than innocent people, especially those who are afraid of being caught. Adverbs are qualifiers (and the worst ones). Weasel words and hedging language also factor into what I look for. All of these things are present in Ender's posts.

Is it foolproof? No. It's an indicator.

I think scum hedging tends to operate in the form of leaving options open for themselves later on rather than just expressing uncertainty or using qualifying language. "I think Epignosis is town but not sure" is not scummy; "Epignosis could be town for X, but he did Y which is kinda scummy... not sure overall" is more towards the scum-hedging side because it leaves open the path to read Epignosis either way you like later on without any accountability. In that context I think the hedging you've identified in Ender's posts isn't that scummy.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:24 pm I'm caught up.

I think it's Epi and one of splints/Rondo. The case on me is crap and the timing was designed to draw heat away from the soft slots. Less likely splints than Rondo for obvious reasons. Syn could be in on it or just a townie with bad reads.

In this world it is probably not Kami because if the scum team wanted to drum up an Alison exe and she was on it they'd just send her to do it. I don't know who the last person is. It could be Ender fishing for a pocket and slowly withdrawing support as they move towards an Alison exe. It could just be someone like Axe who's afk watching as it happens. I'd prefer to flip Epi first, and ideally want Epi/Rondo wagons.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:15 pm Rondo's ISO:

- Still not a fan of the fact that his first few posts were just regurgitating other people's reads. I don't care about the roleplay, I think it's NAI.

- Paranoia about a tie and trying to strongarm splints into voting his way to avoid it (#1136) is townie.

- #1236 is a good look.

Not that I am siding with you or in any way placing myself in your camp but I have similar offputting playstyle apparently

This comes from someone who doesn't know Made is town and is paranoid about being linked to him after a Made red flip.

- Trying to push on Transcend for putting himself in the towncore is weird but I'm inclined to think it's an NAI/game philosophy difference.

- #1335 is player salad.

Thats unexpected, I expected you to go for finger, lime, sean or Tran

Bad look.

- #1387 looks unpartnered with Made, on a similar level to #1236. I agree with Esooa's take that it looks like he doesn't know Made is red here.

- Don't really like #1902.

Bout to ask town to chop me to get out. Definitely not how I saw this game going. So toxic

Blatant AtE, and I don't really think he's upset enough to want to be exed to get out of the game. He certainly isn't now.

- Don't like this POE.

Kami - leading HK and flip
Syn - Gut read no time to go find evidence
Tran - Too many people like you as full town, utr
Not - Day 1 silence into making made full target
Ender - I am always suspicious of Ender

The reason to sus Trans is nonsense. The reason to sus Ender is nonsense. There is no reason to sus Syn. It's just a player salad with little labels attached.

Kami wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:53 pm w.e ill vote sean but im more confident on ender
[VOTE: seanszie] aubergine

Transcend wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:54 pm Is there any more intent to vote ender

Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:55 pm The funny part is that doggy and alison have less lolcats combined than hollowkatt did

Transcend wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:50 am ender - you feel good about sean now?

not that i disagree but what was ur transition in that department

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:47 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:44 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:41 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:39 pm

30ish posts of Transcend/Kami/Alison where Alison tries really hard to push Kami and Transcend defends Kami.

Honestly doesn't read like Theatre.

I kinda wanna say Transcend/Kami lock v as well. Which makes Kami/Transcend/Fingers/Falcon/Esooa a winning towncore even without me.

Can you talk about Fingers and Falcon? I don't think they are nearly as widely townread as the others in that group.

Falcon has long interaction with NAA on D2. Doesn't feel forced.

Fingers is much weaker but was one of the first to point out NAA silent voting and said she felt weird about it which doesn't feel very w/w.

Do you have any non-associative reads on these slots?

Associations and spew can be good tools, but they are easily manipulated and do not tell a whole picture.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:02 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:58 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:55 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:52 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:50 pm Alison, what's your Seanzie read.

He's lightly town. His D1 was better than his D2, but I think he tends to go for a more agreeable persona as scum (and especially in this kind of gamestate where people are losing WIM and townies are getting modkilled), so I liked the fact that he cased you. I don't agree with the case, though.

Which of my scum games have you read?

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

None. I was informed of your scum meta by MacDougall.

I don't know why you're bothering to do this when it should be clear to you by now that I can just read you. You got pissy at me about reading you for certain reasons despite not knowing your scum meta both in Spank and in basic mafia, and I was town in both.

I don't get pissy. I ask you to explain your reads, and then I poke are your reasoning to see if there is substance there. I use it as a chance to read you. Here you specifically are referring to a scum meta, based on second-hand information, which is honestly not really true. Even if Mac did tell you that (I won't press when for raisins), it isn't accurate meta on me.

You trying to play this off as me being pissy, and not me just asking you to explain your read is telling.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:11 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:05 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:02 pm I don't get pissy. I ask you to explain your reads, and then I poke are your reasoning to see if there is substance there. I use it as a chance to read you. Here you specifically are referring to a scum meta, based on second-hand information, which is honestly not really true. Even if Mac did tell you that (I won't press when for raisins), it isn't accurate meta on me.

You trying to play this off as me being pissy, and not me just asking you to explain your read is telling.

You have directly or indirectly insinuated that I am reading you a certain way because I have TMI on you despite having a lack of "accurate meta" three times in three games and you have voted me for them. In basic mafia you directly contributed to (bad) suspicion on me because of that read.

I trust Mac's evaluation of people's meta. He is a good player and the reads that he makes based on meta is usually accurate. I have no reason to believe his meta is ill-informed; if you disagree with it, okay, but that was the reason I made that read on you.

Yes, I directly or indirectly insinuate a lot of things a lot of the time to see how people react.

The one time Mac was town and saw me scum, I had a great D1 where I pushed him and JJJ really hard, and then I essentially went MIA after that, posting only occasionally D2 and D3.

I changed my mind, I want to press. When did you talk to Mac about my meta?

I talked to Mac about your meta in a game I don't want to talk about any further because it might violate game integrity.

I don't care to say more than that.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:54 pm LC, Sean, Falcon all town.

Made is scum.

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Why am I town? I haven't done anything towny.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:17 pm @Alison I'm still waiting to hear why you think I'm towny. I know, there was a hidden joke inside my original question, but the layers of humor that I provide should not distract from the seriousness of the question.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:21 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:20 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:54 pm LC, Sean, Falcon all town.

Made is scum.

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Why am I town? I haven't done anything towny.

Early game unbridled aggression is townie for you. I correctly read you town in basic mafia (and it got called TMI) for reaction testing, as an extension of that. Putting down and pushing a gut scumread on Esooa specifically is also townie because she is not a great target to opportunistically push D1 as mafia due to being both OMGUS-y and able to obvtown herself. I don't think your falcon read is correct but I think you're townie.

Why is my Esooa read OMGUS-y?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:10 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:59 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:57 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:44 pm I'd like people to talk about Seanzie's treatment of me regardless of my alignment.

My eyes glaze over whenever I read the posts of you two talking to each other.

I think you're both just argumentative boomers and are doing your argumentative boomer thing. I don't find Seanzie's treatment of you particularly scummy if that's what you're fishing for.

My parents are boomers. Get lost, Millennial.

My parents are gen-X-ers. I do not refute the claim of being argumentative though.

That being said, I pissed Epi off pretty badly last time he was scum (I think?), and I wouldn't be surprised he if wants revenge this time that he is scum.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:19 pm

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:15 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:14 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:56 pm Made could actually be spewing all 3 Esooa, Sean, and Falcon town in 1 go if he's scum.

Correct.

i disagree about all 3 being spewed. the post was scummy but idk how much spew it actually holds.

I agree. An advanced rule of three would actually suggest there is at least one mafia among {Esooa,Sean,Falcon}, and I'm not convinced there aren't two.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:28 pm Epi why are you peeing so much

Transcend wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:26 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:22 pm I skimmed it. I think your point about her read of you and Seanzie being TvT (and dare I say, TMI) is fine. I said as much when she first made that read. I agree with your suspicions, and I have Kami and splints as top suspects. I think I suspect Kami slightly more still, but I would love if the two of them were competing wagons.

assuming a world where sean/epi are both town

which is worse, tmi on one dude or tmi on two dudes

Transcend wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:22 am Where is Seanzie

I miss Seanzie

Transcend wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:18 pm SURVEY SAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:52 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:42 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:41 pm
When you were gimmick yes. You've asked some good sharp questions since then.

fair

Before you sleep who are your top 5?

After I slept:
Probably Seanzie scum.
Esooa Town
Transcend town
Epi scum
Falcon town

you're a liar.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:26 pm

Transcend wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:23 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:21 pm

Transcend wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:16 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:15 pm

Transcend wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:12 pm boring

finger had a towny post

sean had an even townier post that i agree with

[VOTE: enderwiggin] aubergine

That I can "Hide behind my chart"?

You realise that I'm publicly making known the information on that chart and why I assign people as w/w.

I've commented in thread as I made changes, Esooa interacted with me on multiple of them.

How is that hiding my thought process?

no offense but i didn't really vibe w/ most the findings you liked

it felt like u found random interactions and just said "hmm probs not w/w"

in the end it feels like busywork

I'm not going to lie and say I don't do it as scum, because I can.

I'm not going to tell you I'm obvious town because you've never played with me before.

But is this seriously the strongest case you have?

no it's not the crux of my case

i also literally just caught u in a contradiction that u're refusing to acknowledge

ur reads are sloppy and i think u have a dirty agenda i.e. targeting what u think u can lynch aka a lhf as opposed to really giving thought about who u should lynch

My reads are sloppy? Yes. I'm aware.

Dirty Agenda? Nah townreads are more important than pushing lhf because you can even push out a strong poster if you get townreads well enough.

Not really giving a thought about who I should lynch?

Unless you're suggesting I'm literally partners with Fingers AND Rondo why am I not just pushing one of those for easy money? Why am I townreading one and waffling on the other? No one would blink if I placed a vote earlier on Finger or a vote now on Rondo?

Transcend wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:28 pm

Transcend wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:29 pm Before I catch up, is anyone here down for some epi pressure

If so, that's where I'd like to go.

If not, then I'll consolidate

why did u not entertain this post

u clearly have epi as a scumread

if u can't answer this adequately i'm confbiasing you guys as a pair for eternity

Transcend wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:35 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:34 pm

Transcend wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:32 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:52 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:42 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:41 pm
When you were gimmick yes. You've asked some good sharp questions since then.

fair

Before you sleep who are your top 5?

After I slept:
Probably Seanzie scum.
Esooa Town
Transcend town
Epi scum
Falcon town

so ur telling me that someone that's "probably scum" as opposed to just "scum" is ur favored target

even if so, why not say "hey trans, that's a decent idea, i could potentially be down with it if we can get some more traction headed that way" or something along those lines

The Probably at the start was an adverb to continue the meme of pinging people for me using adverbs.

It's also a lead into the list.

The list is in order of my conviction.

idk if i believe that but ok

regardless of ur order of conviction, if someone in the thread advocates going for someone in your sus pile, why not at least acknowledge it?

Transcend wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:11 am seanzie

i think he's town but incredibly low-wim compared to his start of d1

i said the same about made and that kinda backfired

Transcend wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:17 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:16 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:12 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:08 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:05 pm Yup, wolves are piling on an easy ML.

Okay.

Top five reads outside me, go

Don't know what to tell you other than that I've been finding it really hard to find the motivation to do anything lately.

Seanzie seemed to have a lot of motivation when the game started. Like a lot. I don't know where that went. Seems weird it's gone so suddenly tbh

i felt the same way

idk why scum!him would freeze when he wasn't catching much heat at all?

Transcend wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:35 pm

Transcend wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:30 pm I think it was just 3 ppl (me, finger, rondo) voted within seconds of each other. Idt there was coordination but i still think ur towny for thinking that.

I'm looking back now. Syn voted, then you announced you intended to vote (but didn't vote yet, I remember I cast my vote before yours was in the poll), then I voted, then you, finger, Rondo and Kami all ended up on Rondo, then Alison jumped in a few seconds later. Kami/Finger/Alison all jumped to Rondo after it was announced in thread that syn, me and you would be there.

It was clearly coordinated. We just need to figure out whom by.

Alison was a potential wagon, and I was stirring the thread towards a CFD to make scum react, so it makes sense that scum would do something like this to avoid a CFD onto Alison. Kami and Ender were also possible CFD options, so I wonder if there weren't multiple wolves at risk, pushing them to do such a bold thing. Since Ender wasn't around, IMO, it points strongly to Kami!wolf.

With how chaotic that eod was, I think any hammer was just a coincidence bby

There were like 4 ppl at risk of being eliminated

Transcend wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:01 pm I just don't want seanzie tunneled on bad logic cause i think he's town

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:25 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:24 am

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:18 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:17 am

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:14 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:13 am So I just had a string of epiphanies. The first two won't shock any of you.

I just realized that Esooa claimed to roleblock Alison.

I just realized that Alison outed because the shot was blocked. This is nice because even though I read the posts that should have indicated this to me, I didn't process this until now, and was kind of wondering why Alison had decided to lolcat, since yesterday was only a little damning for her.

This one might be important. I just realized that I have no idea why Alison decided to lolcat rather than hoping for/fishing for a doctor claim.

she outed yd eod

Uh.... where?

by attempting to quickhammer the day (despite it already being quickhammered)

Eh, this very strongly disregards the myriad of ways in which, especially in a medium like a forum, we are out of sync with each other. Slow connections, human error, and site lag can all easily explain odd timing type things. While her vote yesterday was very suspicious, I don't think it was lock!outing. It was "she was in for a strong fight to not get killed" but not "I'd bet $1000 this person is scum". That being said, it could easily be explained simply by motivation, but it does seem like a sub-par move, which Alison is pretty strongly against.

there's also the fact that she 0 posted that eod when she caught some heat, then suddenly changed her vote

this is what we call antispew, and also outing, sean.

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:47 pm yea and that's why i feel the vote is calculated cause u don't seem to have ur own conviction for it and when explained to ask u literally give a reason that points to her being town but still follow thru with it

[VOTE: hollow] aubergine

imma probs yeet myself out of this thread for a bit but imo a good towncore is something like {me, ali, brad, esooa, falcon}

seanzie as probs town

syn as probs town

kami as probs town but feel free to yeet if she doesn't want to cooperate

made as possibly town but don't want to give too much of a pass

finger, hollow, epi all scummy

ender idk

rondo lol

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:47 pm and i guess nothing rly needs to be done w/ the notanaxe slot cause it's prob gonna get replaced atp

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:47 am

fingersplints wrote: I’m finished reading now. Still need some time to think, but immediate reactions are

I think Seanzie vs Epi is probably town vs town. Just a feeling if one of them was a wolf they would have moved on or let it go sooner or something.

In all seriousness, I really just don't like this call. I don't really recall them taking too long to move on from their little spat. I don't think this is a genuine take because it doesn't really tell me that you're sorting their alignments as much as making a call. I'd be much more willing to believe ur read has merit if u discussed how their posts were towny but saying something like "they'd just back off from each other if scum" doesn't display much genuine thought behind it imo.

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:47 am

fingersplints wrote: I’ve never played with Transcend before, but I think they come off all right so far.

I think I see some of what I associate with town Alison. Not enough to defend or vote to save or anything at this point, but I think she’s ok for now.

While you have a 100% conclusion, and another one that I'm pretty sure is accurate, these both feel very level 0 and tbh kinda appear as pocket attempts. Nothing u say here really goes against thread consensus and it makes me doubt that ur reads come from a genuine place.

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:47 am

fingersplints wrote: I’ve seen some decent points made about Made but at least one I disagree with ( the posts about him conveniently returning to the thread as if scum buddies told them to get in. That’s almost never actually the case. People just post when they want to) did I read correctly he had 6 votes at one point though? That seems a lot for this early.

This one was the very worst imo. U don't highlight any of the points u agree w on Made. To me it seems like ur sugarcoating the suspicion here, but u have no actual conviction behind it. As for the return at the convenient time, he already addressed that he was @'d by Alison so that theory has been long dismissed, and in the end u also point out that the early bw was in your words "a lot for this early". It seems like u don't think he's mafia here, but the beginning of ur post throws shade towards him.

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:47 am

fingersplints wrote: EnderWiggin seems very different then the last game I played with him when he was town. Just something I’m watching.

I’m trying to remember if there was anything else but my kids demanding attention

I don't rely on meta that heavily but honestly u could have pointed out why he is appearing different, instead of just saying that he appears different.

TL;DR u have a lot of shallow, unexplained takes most of which don't really defy general thread consensus and show a alarmingly high lack of thought and conviction behind them. U throw shade on certain ppl but don't back it up either.

I'm aware that u seem to have kid(s) and that ur full attention might not have been devoted to the thread at this time, but to me it came off pretty bad and imma need u to do a better job at convincing me that what u said actually had true conviction behind it cause rn it definitely doesn't.

I'm sure this isn't a birthday present u really want but that do be the way the cookie crumbles.

[VOTE: finger] aubergine

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:41 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:40 pm

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:37 pmguys made

I agree Made deserves scrutiny, and even though I don't remember any other posts from you, I'mma guess this one comes from town.

how do u not remember any other posts from me

every post made by me has a cute lil pupper avatar

wouldn't that compel u to read the post?

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:53 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:50 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:36 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:35 pm

Loaded question.

My vote on you stands.

I'd still like to hear your thoughts about Falcon. Unload the question however you want, you should take a stance there.

I'll take a stance on falcon when I feel like it.

I have a stance on you.

Humor me, please. Can you take a look at Falcon's ISO and give me a quick read?

I will if you will do likewise for Made.

I looked at Made. They had a few good pokes in the first few posts, but I really didn't like them trying to set themselves up as anti-teamed with Falcon. I agreed with Made that Falcon's comparison of my read on Esooa vs Made's read on me being an inaccurate comparison, but I think Made and Falcon's interactions have been awkward enough that I don't rule them out as s/s. Made made a comment about me vs Esooa that really pinged me though, and I haven't heard a response from him yet about my followup, which is troubling. They say they are mindmelding with me, but I'd like to actually see their thought patterns that are leading them to the same conclusions I am getting to, rather than them just saying "same". I have stronger scumreads, but Made is probably on the scum-side of things if I had to make a GTH list.

Now you.

sorry to interject your glorious quote pyramid but i actually think made's early posts (as well as his later posts) raised a red flag for me. i don't rlly understand why he would add to the "lolsleep" momentum and then immediately throw shade towards someone that did exactly what he did?

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:16 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:14 pm

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:07 pm TEST

For the record, if you are in the full editor, you should have a "preview" button to the left of "submit" to test to see how posts look based on the bbcode.

If you are in the forum, you can click the "preview and full editor" button (or whatever it is) at the bottom to get into the full editor where you can preview your posts to test them.

thank you SEANZIE

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:53 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:50 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:57 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:01 pm I’m gonna pretend you’re town and Esooa is trying to pocket me instead of the other way around.

Thank you for claiming scum and spewing Esooa and Seanzie town.

He could've literally spewed Falcon town too with what he's going for.

Damn, y’all really think I’m so bad as to accidentally spew 4 people town right off the bat? Disrespectful

ok which one of u suckers pinged made in the maf chat

this re-entry is wolfy af lol

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:59 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:56 pm

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:53 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:50 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:57 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:01 pm I’m gonna pretend you’re town and Esooa is trying to pocket me instead of the other way around.

Thank you for claiming scum and spewing Esooa and Seanzie town.

He could've literally spewed Falcon town too with what he's going for.

Damn, y’all really think I’m so bad as to accidentally spew 4 people town right off the bat? Disrespectful

ok which one of u suckers pinged made in the maf chat

this re-entry is wolfy af lol

Agree with this, it feels like the wolf team panicked over Made suddenly getting run up and acted to dissipate pressure + pinged him to come defend himself ASAP.

His re-entry post is literally a variant of "I'm TWTBW" which is a garbage defense as well.

it also seems like he re-entered the thread being aware of being wagoned and chose to respond to ur accusation against him instead of catching up on what he missed while he was gone.

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:34 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:32 am

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:23 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:21 am

Made wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:13 am

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:12 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:38 pm

Made is my second suspect.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:50 pm

And not in music.

I'm convinced Made is mafia.

the first quote is when only i was voting him and his wagon comp wasn't so large

the second quote is when he was getting bwed

ur vote on him only came once he was getting bwed

which screams to me "welp my partners getting fucked, time to bus for some sweet towncred woop woop"

the transition from him being possibly scum, to suddenly very scum (while he didn't make any additional posts between those two quotes) looks kinda uncanny

This doesn't make sense unless you assume that hammer was immanent.

Was a hammer imminent?

Considering that there are 4 scum, E-2 is very realistically immanent if two scum are willing to do something bold. I personally stuck my neck out to slow down your yeet because of how immanent E-2 in this setup is. So yes, a hammer was immanent.

a hammer was not imminent but his vote was still pretty crappy

there's no way scum was gonna lolhammer and lose one of their eggs when they already have a pretty big advantage

I don't know where you originally hail from, but hammer etiquette is a bit looser here than at many sites. Idk what you mean by eggs, but scum very well could decide to pile onto one person, and I've seen wolves hammer in such situations.

i've seen lolhammers but i don't think i've seen one this early into the first day, but i'll take u at ur word in terms of this site.

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:18 am Hi Kirsten (sp?) hope you're doing well. Ur catch up was pretty good and I have no major problems with it. Just curious about something.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:51 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:28 pm Seanzie isn't this dense. I've read that over and over, and there's a measure of avoidance there. [VOTE: Sneazie] aubergine

I don't really know about how Seanzie normally is, tbh, but I think this is a pretty valid conclusion. I think this is a towny post though

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:07 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:44 pm I'd like people to talk about Seanzie's treatment of me regardless of my alignment.

I don't understand this at all

U voted for epi but in ur catch up, these are the two posts u mentioned from him. One of which you labeled as towny and the other as confusing. Is there any reason that U voted him above finger (who i'm about to dive into their pretty bad recent post) who u said was wolfy?

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:40 pm Epi is in a good position to carry the last solve but I think he'll be the NK

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:35 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:31 pm [VOTE: No vote.] aubergine

Hammer means I don't get a chance to tear through Transcend's posts tonight over bourbon.

You a Maker's Mark guy, or Wild Turkey?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:38 am @Alison flips MAFIA! Her role is:

You are Bane! Congratulations.

You have no powers, you are town, you win by killing mafia. Glhf.



That's the default role pm, but you actually do have an ability! You're a rolecop, each night you can target someone and discern their role, if any. Goon and VT will both come back as "no role" (or equivalent).

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:31 pmIn addition, @Syn has been poisoned, and will die at EOD.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:31 pm In the night! @Esooa has died. She flips town:

You are Joker! Congratulations.

You have no powers, you are town, you win by killing mafia. Glhf.



Thats the default role pm--you actually do have a role! You're a 3-shot roleblocker, you can use them on any night, you cannot target the same person on consecutive nights.

Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:17 pm Kk I'm Catwoman 2s Novice Cop

N2 Sean is inno
N3 finger is inno

D2 there seemed to be lots of doubt wrt Sean and I wanted to solve his slot in that if he's town he's not an easy misexe for scum

There's several crumbs in my iso but

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:52 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:48 am @Transcend why do you townread me?

u r in no place to rly be making all these weird theories about someone who's going to be seeing death some time soon. the way you've poked and prodded at the thread really doesn't feel like someone that has an agenda, i feel like u r really trying to figure things out. u had a townie d1 in terms of ur interactions w/ esooa (ur gut read on her) how u thoroughly explained it and didn't just use ur "gut" to justify that read. u also had towny interactions with epi that day as well. u did disappear but like u didn't rly make any scummy posts and from that i just see u as town.

This one is the biggest one.

I checked finger n3 because she's having a baby and if she's town I just want her to relax and if she's scum then she can leave the game and worry about other things

So yea

- Maximum of 3 non-vanilla roles

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:01 pm Just to be clear, you folks think that I MK'd Esooa? The only person who TR me?

Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:55 pm

Kami wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:54 pm

Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:52 pm

Kami wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:51 pm

Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:50 pm In fact I want the poisoner to claim RIGHT NOW

Because I promise you if you claim later to town yourself I WILL FUCKING LYNCH YOU

chill they dont have to out

If they don't out then i'm treating it as a wolf poison cause that was a really scummy poison choice imo

I would say its probably not in their ebst interest to out

Well i get scum!poisoner vibes from this so if they claim later I'm going to be very suspicious

Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:34 pm Wtf maf has two prs? I thought that they had 0.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:26 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:25 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:24 am Sleep well Epi.

well = adverb

Got em

Fuck. Got me again.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:24 am Sleep well Epi.

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:23 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:21 am

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:20 am dope then the three of us should form an impenetrable townbloc and seize victory from there

ezpz

And what will we do when you go chasing cars? Hmm?

lay here and forget the world

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:20 am dope then the three of us should form an impenetrable townbloc and seize victory from there

ezpz

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:15 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:14 am I went through the list above and I can think of- off the top of my head- reasons for everybody else to be a civilian.

give ur reasons for sean because i agree and it feels like i'm the only one that feels that way ;-;

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:06 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:04 am I'm spent but satisfied for the time being.

Alison today, Falcon tomorrow.

I do not think Syn is a civilian either.

That's where I stand at present. Maybe I'll see something else tomorrow before the poll locks.

how do u read ender

how do u read finger

u made p big cases on both of them in previous days

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:48 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:48 am

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:47 am i think alison saw epi as a misyeet option due to the attention given on him and tried her best to keep that option open after the shot and kinda tilted and vanished when she ran out of options to push and then claimed vig to buy an extra night and then outed lol.

Can we move on to Day 3 please?

do u want me to towncase u or not

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:47 am i think alison saw epi as a misyeet option due to the attention given on him and tried her best to keep that option open after the shot and kinda tilted and vanished when she ran out of options to push and then claimed vig to buy an extra night and then outed lol.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:39 am Also I have nothing to say about the players in this game.

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:37 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:36 am Syn would rather map out shit online than talk about players in this game.

Syn is guilty.

that's some interesting wording

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:37 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:36 am Syn would rather map out shit online than talk about players in this game.

Syn is guilty.

You want to make a bet?