The Syndicate

EBWOP: Same question for you, SD. I think a llama lynch will be better for the next Day cycle.

Bea and Sorsha, are either of you considering increasingly likely possibility that llama is Azura, and that the lynch will kill someone else?

This is an uneventful day so far. 6 more votes people! Come on!

Bullzeye wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:I know getting votes is frustrating, and I'm sorry for that. And I admire you for sticking with your guns. But I'm going to stick with mine, too.

Do you admire me?

Of course I do! I just happen to think you are bad, too.

Bullzeye wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:I know getting votes is frustrating, and I'm sorry for that. And I admire you for sticking with your guns. But I'm going to stick with mine, too.

I'm getting votes because of deliberate misinterpretations of how things happened and because I'm a convenient scapegoat. Funny how Llama was definitely and obviously bad, blatant lynch candidate, right up until the lynch starts...

He still is. But his last lynch attempt was switched to tranq (another potential baddie). 2 possibilities there: 1. Could have been Ubzargan. 2. llama is Azura.
I was willing to take a gamble on rey, but I'm not willing to take a gamble on Azura.

As I recall, you didn't end up taking that gamble on Rey anyway. Either Ubz switched the lynch, Llama could be Azura, OR something else happened. We don't know how many manipulations are out there at any point. Regardless, if Llama is Azura, he may not be putting votes onto me. So I'm willing to take that risk because the alternative is my own death and my team losing the game. I doubt there are many civs left at all tbh.

I think you're misinterpreting events now. I most definitely did take the gamble on rey because I didn't vote to lynch him. He's still alive isn't he?

thellama73 wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:I know getting votes is frustrating, and I'm sorry for that. And I admire you for sticking with your guns. But I'm going to stick with mine, too.

Do you admire me?

Of course I do! I just happen to think you are bad, too.

Bullzeye wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:I know getting votes is frustrating, and I'm sorry for that. And I admire you for sticking with your guns. But I'm going to stick with mine, too.

I'm getting votes because of deliberate misinterpretations of how things happened and because I'm a convenient scapegoat. Funny how Llama was definitely and obviously bad, blatant lynch candidate, right up until the lynch starts...

He still is. But his last lynch attempt was switched to tranq (another potential baddie). 2 possibilities there: 1. Could have been Ubzargan. 2. llama is Azura.
I was willing to take a gamble on rey, but I'm not willing to take a gamble on Azura.

I know getting votes is frustrating, and I'm sorry for that. And I admire you for sticking with your guns. But I'm going to stick with mine, too.

Also, Bullz, for some originality in my vote reasoning (unless I missed someone else saying it already): I think you and llama are on a team. I think you know that he can redirect votes on him. I think that is why you are pushing a llama lynch today. That's my opinion

Bullzeye wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I think I'm a quite easy scapegoat for Team Azura now. They don't want to lose Llama. They want to lynch someone who isn't on their team, so they will push the lynch in my direction.

The people expressing hesitance for a Llama vote today (MM, Daisy, myself) are the same people suspecting you (MM, Daisy, myself) and are the same people who have been saying all game that Llama is bad (MM, Daisy, myself). So who is this "they" you speak of? I believe Rey referred to this as "straw manning".

Azura's team benefit from my death more than Llama's. I've been set up as an easy target. It will be very easy for quiet players to latch onto your thoughts and say oh well if Llama is definitely Azura because you guys say so then I'll vote Bullzeye because you guys say so. Those will be the Azura teammates. You and Daisy simply aren't seeing it right. I don't think you're bad at all, and Daisy I thought was one of Epi's recruits at first but clearly I was wrong there if Team Caelia are gone. Regardless, I am not who you want to lynch today. I'm one of the few remaining civs in this game.

It's like you knew what I was going to do! I was already planning on voting for you eventually. The possibility of a redirect or lynch switch makes me afraid to vote for llama now. So yes, I feel more comfortable with putting my vote on you, instead. registered

Well now I wish I could switch position votes :/
I have to admit that, like rey, I haven't been paying much attention to position abilities for all of the roles. I only know what mine does

Went with 2 as well.

Nub nutella. Bih baddie

Bullzeye wrote:For the record I still don't trust Rey, I think he's either an unaligned killer (and therefore untrustworthy) or a baddie pretending to be said killer. I think it's a mistake to keep him around but as we can almost definitely lynch a baddie tomorrow I'll hold off on that. After Llama, since nobody else seems to agree with me, I'll probably move back to Devin or see what else has come up over that period of time.

Let's get the obvious baddie before we do anything too drastic

thellama73 wrote:Guys, I think Reywas sounds really disingenuous with his dealmaking propositions and his alleged neutrality. It's really making me uncomfortable. I'm moving my vote back to him.

I'm still happy with my vote. This had been a very informative day. And we haven't even seen the end result yet.

Scotty wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Poor Rico. Sad, dead, lonely Rico.

funny story: the only Rico I know in real life bullied me in high school. Coincidentally, now he lives 2 floors below me 8 states away from my hometown.

Also, rezz please.

That blows. My grade school and subsequently high school bully became a priest recently. I still don't know how to react to this.

Now you've done it MM!

Bullzeye wrote:Bet I'm on your shitlist Rey. It's okay, I'll be on everyone's if LA isn't a civ.

Somehow I doubt you'll be first in line, though. Just sayin.

Bullzeye wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:noone but a dead-role-checker can possibly know for certain what alignment nked players are. I'm never sure which way to read Rico, and this is my first time playing in a game with JJJ. And from my texts with MP about his visits to other sites, he's (JJJ) a legendary player who can waltz on both sides of the alignment dance floor. If I remember correctly, I think MP told me that JJJ won the multi-site championship as a baddie. So I'm less inclined to believe his supatown act either way.
A lot of people have been saying the Tranq is bad, but he's been quieter than myself and reywaS had been. Almost nothing to go on there that I can tell.
But I think we are both in agreement with llama's alignment. More on that when he's not immune.

Hope my point is clear here. I rambled a little bit.

I see your point, but I can only go off my own beliefs. I believe they were both civ. Maybe I'm wrong. I'd rather be wrong by myself than right because I allowed others to do all my thinking for me. I also think there's a chance Rey isn't the Mercenary and is in fact a baddie who is letting us believe he's the Mercenary because it's easier than the truth. In this scenario the true Mercenary is allowing the facade to continue because it allows him to operate undetected and keeps attention off him.

Fair enough. I think I can let this go for now.

Bullzeye wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:No. So how are you so sure about them? I'm not.
Same goes for the 2 supposed baddies.

I've never said he definitely did kill 2 and only 2 civs. It is all based on my own opinion. That's all I've got to work with and it's clearly not worth much.

That's all I'm trying to get at.

It's almost pointless to say stuff like:

Bullzeye wrote:You are a role that isn't a civ and whose kills so far consist of at least 50% civs, as I believe. That makes you, in my opinion, no ally of mine.

because noone but a dead-role-checker can possibly know for certain what alignment nked players are. I'm never sure which way to read Rico, and this is my first time playing in a game with JJJ. And from my texts with MP about his visits to other sites, he's (JJJ) a legendary player who can waltz on both sides of the alignment dance floor. If I remember correctly, I think MP told me that JJJ won the multi-site championship as a baddie. So I'm less inclined to believe his supatown act either way.
A lot of people have been saying the Tranq is bad, but he's been quieter than myself and reywaS had been. Almost nothing to go on there that I can tell.
But I think we are both in agreement with llama's alignment. More on that when he's not immune.

Hope my point is clear here. I rambled a little bit.

Linki: I wouldn't expect much else

No. So how are you so sure about them? I'm not.
Same goes for the 2 supposed baddies.

Have you role-checked JJJ and Rico?

Sorsha wrote:

Sorsha wrote:True- I guess I just don't really understand why he came forward with this...

This was a reply to devin

Rey- like I said before though. We have no way of knowing if you'll turn against the civvies. If you decide to NK a civ (I'm not sure what the civ:bad ratio is right now) we might not have the numbers to lynch you.... And who knows what you got for completing your epic challenge. And the civvies only get their NKs on certain positions so it's not that easy for caelia or Ahriman to take you out.

I'm just not sure it's worth the risk.

How would you decide who to nk? Who would you listen to?

Understood Sorsha.
IMO, it wouldn't be in his best interest to discuss who he would NK or how he would come to the decision. It would all feel WIFOMy anyway.
But personally, I believe he would have more motivation to try and take out the others who have nks, and keep around those who are less willing to vote for him.

What do you think about what I said about Bullz?

Same question for you, SD.

I'm not ready to push a lynch against him just yet as this is the first time I've seen him in this light. But I'd still like to get other opinions on him.

Linki: Oooh, good theory, rey.

C. It's fun

In my mind: The biggest threats to the RM right now are the baddie teams. The biggest threat to the baddie teams, atm, is the RM.
I think Bullz is bad. Why else would he be fighting so hard to get rid of a "danger" that just has to survive to win.

Linki: yes. There would be dire consequences for role-hinting at that scale. I'm sure it's in da rules somewhere.

Sorsha wrote:Rey- don't you think the baddies will just kill you anyway? If you're trying to make a deal with civvies in the thread why would they want you around?

By that logic, why waste a lynch on him, then?

Bullzeye wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Fair enough, TH I doubt I will win this game, so I'm comfortable taking a few risks.

And when he thanks you with your own death tonight? Are you that invested in his survival?

I know reywaS isn't dumb. But what makes you think he would kill a potential ally before those who voted against him?

Linki

Well if you're saying it's kill Rey or be killed, then my vote is staying where it is and I'd hope others vote for him too as I don't want to be on his hitlist. But consider the linki, because you're not dumb either so I don't get it. Not everyone who wants to keep Rey around is on the same team. Say we lynch Nutella today and Rey swears loyalty to everyone that didn't vote him - not all those people are on the same team. He'll have to pick a side. How sure are you you'll stay on that side?

Everything is temporary. Nothing is permanent. If everything were permanent, then the game was decided as soon as it began. A risk is called a risk for a reason. I'm not normally a gambling man, but like anyone else I like to try and improve my odds as much as possible. Above all else, I like to have fun. And this sure as hell is fun

Bullzeye wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Fair enough, TH I doubt I will win this game, so I'm comfortable taking a few risks.

And when he thanks you with your own death tonight? Are you that invested in his survival?

I know reywaS isn't dumb. But what makes you think he would kill a potential ally before those who voted against him?

Linki

Fair enough, TH I doubt I will win this game, so I'm comfortable taking a few risks.

Canucklehead wrote:I'm pretty sure Sorsha was being sarcastic in that post? So what were you "piggy-backing" on?

I read it as speculation instead of sarcasm. So I am speculating, too. I just seem to be more willing to take risks.

Turnip Head wrote:I think making a deal with the devil is just asking for trouble. Good luck trying to control a guy who doesn't pay attention, doesn't care who he kills, has completed his Epic Challenge, and needs everyone dead.

Who's to say that EC accomplishment didn't give him a new win con? And further, more of a reason to fight for his life?

reywaS wrote:I said that I AM paying attention now. The past is the past. I can't go back in time. The game is at a more manageable place, and I promise to not fall behind again.

I feel ya. Same here.

Canucklehead wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:I do like working with/listening to people who sound genuine.

You know he's just saying whatever he has to in order to stay alive, right?

If he's the SK then he probably needs everyone dead to win, that's what SK means. Good luck with that

I'm not blind to this possibility. To kind of piggy-back Sorsha's post: How many baddies have we lynched this game? How many baddies do you think RM has killed. Right now it feels like the odds are that he has done more good than we have. That may just be me, though.

That was actually my post, and that's not actually the point I was trying to make.


Good try at being involved, though!

Thank you! But to be fair, I didn't see your post until after I made this one.

Sorsha wrote:Right.. If there was a way to get Rey to just kill the baddies sure, cool, let's keep him.

How are we all going to agree on who he should target?

And ubzargan or azura will kill him first chance they get anyway right?

If we can pick someone who's likely a baddie for him to target tonight then ok, I'll switch my vote to Nutella.

I just can't think of a way this would work long term...

This is the specific post I was piggy-backing.

Turnip Head wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:I do like working with/listening to people who sound genuine.

You know he's just saying whatever he has to in order to stay alive, right?

If he's the SK then he probably needs everyone dead to win, that's what SK means. Good luck with that

I'm not blind to this possibility. To kind of piggy-back Sorsha's post: How many baddies have we lynched this game? How many baddies do you think RM has killed. Right now it feels like the odds are that he has done more good than we have. That may just be me, though.

I do like working with/listening to people who sound genuine. So I've decided to kill 2 birds with 1 stone here. Switched my vote back to nutella.

reywaS wrote:But I am paying attention now and am willing to work with anyone that is willing to keep me around.

Whatcha sellin'?

He has the 3rd eye!! shit shit shit shit

thellama73 wrote:Rey's chamioning of neutrality struck me as odd, almost forced. I think he was recruited sometime between this:

reywaS wrote:Ok, I feel like I've caught up enough.

I voted DrWilgy because I don't like the votes on S~V~S and llama. They both feel civ to me, and in fact I agree with S~V~S post on Bullzeye talking about how he's been around plenty but didn't have any solid opinions on anyone. Then bullz got kind of defensive and then maybe went a little overboard trying to make up for his previous lack of opinion. Bullz definitely came off as baddie to me in that exchange.

And this:

reywaS wrote:vote llama

what the hell

His posts have also seemed less substantive since then, like he is trying to hide in the background.

I don't see how anyone can call me blendy with someone like moT reywaS lurking in the background all the time

Bullzeye wrote:I don't have any problem *Voting for Rey*. Will follow it up with a Devin vote tomorrow I imagine.

No u

Sorry Epi. I'll continue with that voting train Tomorrow.

aapje wrote:Devin:
Anyway the wind blows doesn't really matter to him it seems. Is there a bandwagon he hasn't hopped on yet?

I'd be ashamed if there isn't

Welcome back Llama!!

I am being a nub, yes But do my serious responses not count for anything?
I am feeling very slap-happy and unfocused today.
^ Probably should be in OT green....

Technically there are 3 potential "bandwagons" I could jump on right now
Right now I'm more comfortable making SD uncomfortable.

I changed my mind. I'm leaving my vote where it is.

My name is Blender Blendington Rodriguez. The nurse fucked up and wrote Devin on my birth certificate. Nub nurse.

I'll vote Rey if you do

MovingPictures07 wrote:Oooh, my sock ears are burning.

Hi, Devin!

Hi Nub!

Canucklehead wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

nutella wrote:You have been blendy and based on your behavior you are likely to be Bubbles' teammate. I have suspected you since MP brought that case against you, but unfortunately, contrary to what you'd like to think, you keep fading into the background and I forgot on and off, and you haven't had enough of a presence for the majority of players to seriously consider lynching you. Same problem goes for Rey. You two baddies have been hiding from the spotlight and it's about damn time one of you gets lynched.

But MPs "case" against me wasn't a case at all. Llama and I have both said this. He just quoted every one of my posts and commented on them in order to get me to participate more. And calling me a baddie doesn't make me a baddie, ya baddie

Can you talk about your connection to Bubbles? What do you make of the suggestion that her suspicion of you was a distancing tactic?

I can't even remember if I voted for her, tbh. I feel like I did. But other than that I have had no connections with her, whatsoever. It sounds to me like that suspicion was fabricated to see if people would jump on a Devin lynch. I think it's safe to say that I had no "teammates" at that time.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Two other people who I believe we should be discussing right now are MM and Devin.

MM, the Nutella/bwt lynch was clearly going towards Nutella, then he changed his vote to make it a tie. Then he complained about a tie that he created. I think it wasn't really a tie, I think that the lynch was moved to David to ensure Nutella didn't die. But your vote moving from Nutella to David was done to cover that up. If I was to vote anyone other than Nutella, I would vote you.

Devin. Come on man, you are just phoning it in. You have clearly been latching onto everyone else's suspicions for a while now if not all game, and been as blends as can be. I don't trust you.

My vote did not create a tie. My vote broke a tie at the time, which I believe was 5-5. Then someone else tied it again.

Correct.

nutella wrote:You have been blendy and based on your behavior you are likely to be Bubbles' teammate. I have suspected you since MP brought that case against you, but unfortunately, contrary to what you'd like to think, you keep fading into the background and I forgot on and off, and you haven't had enough of a presence for the majority of players to seriously consider lynching you. Same problem goes for Rey. You two baddies have been hiding from the spotlight and it's about damn time one of you gets lynched.

But MPs "case" against me wasn't a case at all. Llama and I have both said this. He just quoted every one of my posts and commented on them in order to get me to participate more. And calling me a baddie doesn't make me a baddie, ya baddie

Spacedaisy wrote:Devin. Come on man, you are just phoning it in. You have clearly been latching onto everyone else's suspicions for a while now if not all game, and been as blends as can be. I don't trust you.

Clearly. I've been too busy to do my own research, so my goal has been to sift through cases that have already been made and make a decision from there. My criteria for picking a case consists of 1). the person creating the case seems to be genuine, and reads like they have civ based intentions. 2). The case itself seems sound, and likely to be true. This isn't fool proof, obviously. I've made a lot of fool decisions this game. I acknowledge that. But trying to be blendy? I'm shocked I've lasted this long, tbh. I won't claim to have been unrecruited when the final neutral players were recruited. But I've been in the dark this entire overwhelming game. I'm actually glad to see that you guys haven't forgotten that I am playing still. I'd rather be discussed with/about in thread than be NKed over being blendy.

I think this was brought up before, but I didn't address it properly. I didn't ask for a recruit this time around because I REALLY regretted asking for one in Dom's game. I feel like I ended up creating more problems for him that way than I would have by sticking it out and participating at a minimal level. I do really like my role, but I am not a recruiter or anything as significant as a recruiter. And that's all I will say about that for the sake of our hoasties.

@nutella: why do you feel like I am bad? Is it because I've voted for you twice now?

Revoting nutella. I'm convinced this will have promising results after the last Day.
Also, I concur, Sorsha.

ripiywg Tranq.

Internet!! I give up with this GD phone.

Turnip Head wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:What the what?? I thought I was starting a Devin train, but my train got overtaken by a Nutella train. Tres disappoint.

Let's do it I haven't liked the way Devin seems to suss out whichever way the wind is about to blow and then pounces on the... wind current... All of his posts feel bandwagonny and agreeable.

*vote registered for Devin*

This is just like a Devin vote right here.

Your vote is more Devin-y than my vote

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Come on folks, we need this tie broken.

You had your vote on Nutella at one point. Do you have a problem putting it back there?

I created a thing without knowing it. Huh.

But Devin voters are as lame as lame interest