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I believe the falcon wagon was clean, but the seanzie wagon was not.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 6:39 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 6:30 pm I think everyone that was on falcon today is town.
I’ve considered that, but mostly cuz it’d be elite for the family to gang up as villas on the wolf

Welcome to the fam!

Back in the old days, we used to wait until dawn to make our final read. Just in case.

Please don't kill me Mr. Baddies.

I think everyone that was on falcon today is town.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 6:06 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 6:03 pm PSV or Dennis is the last mafia member
maybe

nothing else seems to fit

Why do you say that?

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:17 pm let's find the 3rd wolf before Kate gets killed and go 3/3

Yeah. I'm guessing I'm dead. Lol

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:14 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:11 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:10 pm that doesn't seem right hold on
seems perfectly fine to me
falcon was sheeping Neon to vote PSV D1
and voted PSV again at SOD2

although ig falcon did move to you later

I think psv is civ.

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:09 pm I'm voting monopoly because whenever I play chess I get competitive

But when you play monopoly you get mad and sit underneath the table.

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:09 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:07 pm How is hearts not in this poll

Unacceptable
I cannot list a game my Grandma played lmao I am sorry! I dislike Hearts bc that's all she would play.

I love hearts but I like spades better.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:07 pm How is hearts not in this poll

Unacceptable

I thought that too.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:04 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 1:51 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:03 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:03 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:01 pm side note
falcon/Ted are crossvoting and there's 2 people on both

doesn't really make me think they're w/w
like ok, maybe they could be distancing but it's only D2 and their scumpartner just got elimmed
voting each other is not really the best move rn if they're a team
Why? One of them is likely going down today. If they're teammate was on the other wagon, especially early wouldn't that look pretty townie?
Omg. Their***
@Epignosis

I swear it was an autocorrect!

Oh thank God. I read the last line and thought six string was lynched.

Spf you made me so frigging nervous.

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 4:58 pm this is stressful but slightly less stressful than a pop-up timer

Ok it's over lol

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 4:57 pm is it over yet?

No.

Longest 10 minutes ever.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 4:52 pm I think falcon has a 75% chance of being town

No, flip that. At least.

No I think we're good. We spent all day working this out. It's the best flip for today.

No this is cold feet.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 4:46 pm right, your post made it sound like you were 100% confident he was flipping mafia and that his motivations would be obvious

if he flips mafia then my belief is that he has been in anti-spew at least for the last 24 hours or so, because i dont believe that he would genuinely think he could get you eliminated

and if he's town then the game becomes more interesting again

i guess we'll see

Interesting yes lol. Also humiliating

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 4:46 pm right, your post made it sound like you were 100% confident he was flipping mafia and that his motivations would be obvious

if he flips mafia then my belief is that he has been in anti-spew at least for the last 24 hours or so, because i dont believe that he would genuinely think he could get you eliminated

and if he's town then the game becomes more interesting again

i guess we'll see

No lol. And youre making me nervous

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 4:41 pm i wish i had your confidence, lol

Depending on the flip? We will know what he was doing.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 4:38 pm well even in a world where falcon is mafia, there's no way he could believe that he could genuinely get you eliminated, right? if his intention is to try to pull the wagon off himself, why not vote one of the existing wagons instead of randomly pushing on a player that is a consensus townread?

my perception is that if falcon is a wolf then he has been in anti-spew and his team has given up on trying to save him

Idk. We'd have to ask him I suppose.

We will know soon enough what he was trying to do, I guess.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 4:33 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 4:25 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 4:24 pm Also like...lolz to a stagnant wagon being massively in the lead for like 90% of the day lol
The wolves have already been in here trying to move it.
who has done that? my perception is that there has been no serious counter to the current wagon

Well him for one.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 4:24 pm Also like...lolz to a stagnant wagon being massively in the lead for like 90% of the day lol

The wolves have already been in here trying to move it.

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 4:22 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 4:14 pm Why have the 3 people most adamant about scumreading me not given a concrete reason to scumread me
It is my humble opinion "posting style" is not an amazing reason to scumread someone and that's just about what's been said thus far

Do you think i'm talking like I normally do when I'm bad? Do you think I'm secretly brainwashing you through magic in the words, and the more you read the more you fall under my spell?? Please specify a little

Are you talking to yourself, son?

@sig didn't vote yet

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 3:15 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 3:08 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 2:33 pm do u think im mafia kate?
Well, youre in my poe.
the way you were talking around me implied to me that you thought i was scum but that you weren't saying it for some reason, and i like it when people are direct about their thoughts

i don't mind though, tinfoil makes me stronger

I'd have to see how the day plays out before I could make an educated guess on a wolf other than falcon.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 2:35 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 2:32 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 2:07 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 2:03 pm I'd also readd Neon to the POE just based off Camilla N1 reads, but would likely not want to vote their today
Why she changed the read by end of night why would I kill her.

Given that you still got an immediate post D1 mention I’d say it’s enough to have you be in the POE, but not an option for D2
Self meta but I never kill Camilla lol

I believe this, fwiw.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 2:33 pm do u think im mafia kate?

Well, youre in my poe.

sig wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 2:02 pm I'm fully caught up.

Falcon, PSV, Dennis, and maybe Ted(?) are my four

I don't think Ted/Falcon or Pyxxy/Falcon are W/W if Falcon is mafia both are cleared. But, I also have no idea why I just wrote that about Pyxxy.

PSV and SPF I need to ISO.

Camilla while being a solid Civ wasn't the only one so that points to one of her legacy reads being correct.

I disagree with the people who say a teammate wouldn't bus D1/D2. If you have a clear mafia read then I could see it. For example, in this case Falcon is nearly a consensus of the strong town reads at the moment, so I could see a bus there. D1 a bus could happen if you got caught up in the moment.

I wouldn't clear Six, but they're still new and playing the same way they did as town.

I don't see psv or ted. Dennis mayyyybe but I really don't think so.

sig wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 1:40 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:48 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:20 pm I’m not dead. Was just ridiculously busy with work + army. I’ll be around somewhat tonight/tomorrow but at army so don’t expect much. I should be into normal swing by Monday so yay.

I did a quick skim to see who died. Good job team on mafia booo that a newbie was killed.

Quick fire thought?

1. Who has played with Camille before since I’m assuming this was first game for them here.

2. I’m cleaning Kate for the kill no other reaosns. Since not caught up. I don’t think she’d have signed off on a new player death N1
Funny that you say this. I was about to bring up who may or may not have killed her based on her status as a first time TS player but I wasn't sure if I could do that. I posed it to one of the hosts and have gotten the OK.

So, I ask the entire group, which of you have played with Camilla before and does anyone know if she goes by any other names?
Psh better to ask for forgiveness and just do it.

I'll keep that in mind in the future

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 1:11 pm maybe it's not sig lol

Definitely not sig.

Do you think Dennis and falcon could be w/w?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 1:04 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:43 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:40 pm ftr i also havent ruled out a world where falcon is town and the team is just something really stupid like sixstrings/sig, solely because the gamestate has felt primarily town dominated to me. i also don't mind resolving falcon today and i think it would be useful for the gamestate
So that's where you think your vote will land?
well my current perception is that falcon is the designated elimination, and i don't realistically see who else would go over today. so, i don't see a reason to put my vote on falcon right now other than to make myself look townier in a world where he's mafia, which i don't really care about right now

so if my vote actually matters at the EOD, then yes, it will probably be on falcon

OK TY

sig wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:55 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 1:56 pm I'm going to start with the 2 voting me. You seem civ and solving.

Psv doesn't know me, so her vote could simply be misplaced (combined with my law activity).

Seanzie concerns me the most, as he knows my play at least a bit better than camilla and psv and I'm surprised he would put a vote on me this early. I'm gonna start by looking at his iso.
All lawyers are soulless, Kate is a lawyer, Therefore kate is soulless.

Now the question is are soulless people mafia.

I'm going to wait til you gat a little further in the thread before I start responding.

sig wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:46 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 4:22 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:29 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:25 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:19 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:12 pm [VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine
Go on

Cause he did this once in a game as town, where he drops in and says just a list, no explanation, and I (maf) pushed a miselim on him

Idk why tf he does it, but it's made me freak out on his slot when he does it and I'm having flashbacks
The list feels kind of pointless as it has tints of busywork since it doesn't really say anything about the game-state at all.

I want actual content from him since we're already beyond the RVS stage of the game.

What do you think of other people who haven't given content yet

Like I have hardly given any content, I totally ignores the D0 arguments (or at least didn't comment), but you seemingly townlean me
I also townlean you. You're looking like your early civ meta.
Just an FYI since I'm sure this has or will be brought up, but Kate's read on Dennis shouldn't be treated as locked at all. Even with the family tie in.

Hi!!!

Definitely fair enough.

What have you thought about all the back and forth today?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:40 pm ftr i also havent ruled out a world where falcon is town and the team is just something really stupid like sixstrings/sig, solely because the gamestate has felt primarily town dominated to me. i also don't mind resolving falcon today and i think it would be useful for the gamestate

So that's where you think your vote will land?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:39 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:31 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:28 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 10:33 am but if it's falcon, who's their teammate?
I find it hard to believe that it's just something like falcon/Six
maybe sig?
What if we ignore, for a moment, the low posters. Any ideas on people who have been active?
mm not really

i don't think neon would defend falcon so brazenly in a world where they are W/W, and i feel the same about the way that falcon has been treating neon. i think neon is probably clear in a world where falcon flips town

i think you and lemonfairy are already clear regardless of falcon's alignment

it's probably not ted in that world based on the way they've been pushing on each other

it could be dennis but a world where dennis/falcon are W/W is a world where dennis bussed both of his partners pretty early into the game, which is a world that i struggle seeing even though it's theoretically possible

it could be sixstrings but i'm also inclined to think that he wouldn't bus like he is currently doing in a world where falcon is mafia

in terms of sheer interactions it could be pxy or PSV, but i've gotten townpings from both of them individual of their treatment of falcon

so while it's not impossible that i'm misclearing someone in that list of names, the fact remains that a world where falcon is mafia is a world where my immediate POE becomes very narrow, because i think multiple people have spewed themselves town in that world

it doesn't have to be sig in that world, but i frankly don't care if he's a lowposter or not, i just care about whether i have any real reasons to townread him, and i don't

I hope sig shows up today. I think he said Monday his schedule would clear up from army weekend?

Were'd yall go?

*taps on thread*

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:28 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 10:33 am but if it's falcon, who's their teammate?
I find it hard to believe that it's just something like falcon/Six
maybe sig?

What if we ignore, for a moment, the low posters. Any ideas on people who have been active?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:28 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:25 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:22 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:18 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:16 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:10 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:09 pm I mean, I've already said I SR you Kate...now you're trying to act nonchalant as tho it's the first you've heard of it?
Not nonchalant, it's just kind of silly. I thought you'd go with a more reasonable argument.
Funny, I have the same thoughts about clearing a player w/ 5 posts and not following up on questioning them.

It's almost like you already know his alignment
Yea, but I don't. Are you suggesting I'm openly defending a teammate?

I do feel, however, that you are making me more and more sure of yours.

No, I'm suggesting you have TMI on Six being town.

I feel you are being intentionally obtuse here
There is one of 2 things you could have meant there, both include me being bad. So asking which one you were accusing me of makes me obtuse?
Hahahaha, have you EVER, even once, had a player refer to knowing someone's alignment be inferred cuz they're Maf together?

Sources plz. Cuz' that's crazy

What? Yes I've seen people accuse people of being teammates. You're starting to go off the rails here.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:22 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:18 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:16 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:10 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:09 pm I mean, I've already said I SR you Kate...now you're trying to act nonchalant as tho it's the first you've heard of it?
Not nonchalant, it's just kind of silly. I thought you'd go with a more reasonable argument.
Funny, I have the same thoughts about clearing a player w/ 5 posts and not following up on questioning them.

It's almost like you already know his alignment
Yea, but I don't. Are you suggesting I'm openly defending a teammate?

I do feel, however, that you are making me more and more sure of yours.

No, I'm suggesting you have TMI on Six being town.

I feel you are being intentionally obtuse here

There is one of 2 things you could have meant there, both include me being bad. So asking which one you were accusing me of makes me obtuse?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:16 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:10 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:09 pm I mean, I've already said I SR you Kate...now you're trying to act nonchalant as tho it's the first you've heard of it?
Not nonchalant, it's just kind of silly. I thought you'd go with a more reasonable argument.
Funny, I have the same thoughts about clearing a player w/ 5 posts and not following up on questioning them.

It's almost like you already know his alignment

Yea, but I don't. Are you suggesting I'm openly defending a teammate?

I do feel, however, that you are making me more and more sure of yours.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:09 pm I mean, I've already said I SR you Kate...now you're trying to act nonchalant as tho it's the first you've heard of it?

Not nonchalant, it's just kind of silly. I thought you'd go with a more reasonable argument.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:05 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:04 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:02 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 11:55 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 11:49 am
Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 11:45 am FROM FELT:

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 4:11 am

Falcon, what was this??
The reason I went after falcon in felt is because he posted something that looked a lot like a chat room discussion or a text. Because I was bad, I assumed this was going to turn out to be a mason chat. Regardless, this was obviously a very different situation than we have here and are comparing apples and oranges.

I was bad in felt and jumped on a mistake (I still don't know what that weird post was about), here I'm civ and I've laid out a long case against you. I'm not simply pointing to one misplaced post.

Yet you're doing the exact same thing this game...you're long case against me is that I'm TR Neon for being towny Neon, and that I didn't participate D1 enough?

You say there apples and oranges, I see them as very similar
I invite you to reread my iso, there is a lot more to it then that. And I don't recall saying you were too quiet d1.

No, you did, you mentioned something about my ISO being short or underwhelming or something like that.
Yes. I stand my that statement.

Um, what?

I do remember saying it was underwhelming and I still think it's underwhelming.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:03 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:00 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 11:57 am
Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:53 pm
SixStrings wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:51 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:37 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:04 pm Normally I am strongly defensive of afk townies getting voted D1 but [VOTE: SixStrings] aubergine.

Probably just a "I'm not familiar with you so I have no qualms about your potential mischop" vote from me, but hey, that's life.

I don't like the Kate wagon. But that's all. Kate's already here writing things, I won't get in the way.

Not feeling the PSV wagon either.

Ted wagon is a maybe for me, or at least was before I went to sleep. Maybe I'll ISO later, idk, not much time. I could see there being one in Ted/Falcon. I still sus Falcon, I think I just expect scum!Falcon to have returned to the thread by now? Maybe the wagons are fine, maybe he's asleep, maybe I should just be voting him instead?

Sig is an option but I also remember a very absent Sig once before and Marmot(?) telling me sig used to be a common mischop back in the Syndicate days of yore so that's why I picked Six instead.

I guess also if people are familiar with Six and think he's a fine wine that ripens as the game goes along, I would switch to Falcon.
Hmm.

Vote: pyx
I am town, this is my third game so I have had little to say so far. I have done some catching up today and I am on the Ted wagon for now.
But, why?
Why did you never follow up on this?
Because I'm just trying to get him to participate, he's never been an actual suspicion to me.

Noted, again, your attempted diversion to lhf.

No, this is about you.

I'm asking you why you aren't following up on players, and you are not LHF.

Nice try tho

Oh, youre trying to make a case on me here? Or you're trying to convince me you're not bad?

I did make a few posts on why I'm not voting six. I wouldnt vote a low poster unless there was very compelling evidence, it's late game and/or there was no other good candidate. None of this fits this situation.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:02 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 11:55 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 11:49 am
Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 11:45 am FROM FELT:

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 4:11 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:05 pm I am hungover today and have to wrap presents n such.

If you need anything, just text me, don't call

Expect medium things from me tomorrow
Falcon, what was this??
The reason I went after falcon in felt is because he posted something that looked a lot like a chat room discussion or a text. Because I was bad, I assumed this was going to turn out to be a mason chat. Regardless, this was obviously a very different situation than we have here and are comparing apples and oranges.

I was bad in felt and jumped on a mistake (I still don't know what that weird post was about), here I'm civ and I've laid out a long case against you. I'm not simply pointing to one misplaced post.

Yet you're doing the exact same thing this game...you're long case against me is that I'm TR Neon for being towny Neon, and that I didn't participate D1 enough?

You say there apples and oranges, I see them as very similar
I invite you to reread my iso, there is a lot more to it then that. And I don't recall saying you were too quiet d1.

No, you did, you mentioned something about my ISO being short or underwhelming or something like that.

Yes. I stand my that statement.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 11:57 am
Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:53 pm
SixStrings wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:51 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:37 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:04 pm Normally I am strongly defensive of afk townies getting voted D1 but [VOTE: SixStrings] aubergine.

Probably just a "I'm not familiar with you so I have no qualms about your potential mischop" vote from me, but hey, that's life.

I don't like the Kate wagon. But that's all. Kate's already here writing things, I won't get in the way.

Not feeling the PSV wagon either.

Ted wagon is a maybe for me, or at least was before I went to sleep. Maybe I'll ISO later, idk, not much time. I could see there being one in Ted/Falcon. I still sus Falcon, I think I just expect scum!Falcon to have returned to the thread by now? Maybe the wagons are fine, maybe he's asleep, maybe I should just be voting him instead?

Sig is an option but I also remember a very absent Sig once before and Marmot(?) telling me sig used to be a common mischop back in the Syndicate days of yore so that's why I picked Six instead.

I guess also if people are familiar with Six and think he's a fine wine that ripens as the game goes along, I would switch to Falcon.
Hmm.

Vote: pyx
I am town, this is my third game so I have had little to say so far. I have done some catching up today and I am on the Ted wagon for now.
But, why?
Why did you never follow up on this?

Because I'm just trying to get him to participate, he's never been an actual suspicion to me.

Noted, again, your attempted diversion to lhf.

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