The list feels kind of pointless as it has tints of busywork since it doesn't really say anything about the game-state at all.
I want actual content from him since we're already beyond the RVS stage of the game.
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The list feels kind of pointless as it has tints of busywork since it doesn't really say anything about the game-state at all.
It's not LHF? The definition of a LHF is a villager that's an easy push and so far pyxxy is roughly =rand when it comes to his posts.Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:24 pmThat's what makes me kinda wary of Camilla, their vote on you kinda feels like lhfpyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:22 pmsome games hook me immediately some games don't
picture me as a shooter who's waiting to see if I get a hot hand
sometimes it'll never happen (well actually, idk if I've ever actually not kicked into gear if alive long enough)
sometimes I show up to the game knowing I'm about to drop 50 points
Wait if you're looking for a good rand (which I assume means power role? Maybe it means mafia) why did you queue for a mountainouspyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:22 pmsome games hook me immediately some games don't
picture me as a shooter who's waiting to see if I get a hot hand
sometimes it'll never happen (well actually, idk if I've ever actually not kicked into gear if alive long enough)
sometimes I show up to the game knowing I'm about to drop 50 points
FairCamilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:27 pmIt's not LHF? The definition of a LHF is a villager that's an easy push and so far pyxxy is roughly =rand when it comes to his posts.Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:24 pmThat's what makes me kinda wary of Camilla, their vote on you kinda feels like lhfpyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:22 pmsome games hook me immediately some games don't
picture me as a shooter who's waiting to see if I get a hot hand
sometimes it'll never happen (well actually, idk if I've ever actually not kicked into gear if alive long enough)
sometimes I show up to the game knowing I'm about to drop 50 points
I have nothing to believe that pyxxy is a villager so far so I'm pushing him for content.
What do you think of other people who haven't given content yetCamilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:25 pmThe list feels kind of pointless as it has tints of busywork since it doesn't really say anything about the game-state at all.
I want actual content from him since we're already beyond the RVS stage of the game.
No pings from Lemon/Kate/Falcon/Sig/Six so far. I originally wanted to poke Lemon since I tend to have a good read on her but ted's handling of my slot pinged me.Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:29 pmWhat do you think of other people who haven't given content yetCamilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:25 pmThe list feels kind of pointless as it has tints of busywork since it doesn't really say anything about the game-state at all.
I want actual content from him since we're already beyond the RVS stage of the game.
Like I have hardly given any content, I totally ignores the D0 arguments (or at least didn't comment), but you seemingly townlean me
agreed that I'm not lhfCamilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:27 pmIt's not LHF? The definition of a LHF is a villager that's an easy push and so far pyxxy is roughly =rand when it comes to his posts.Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:24 pmThat's what makes me kinda wary of Camilla, their vote on you kinda feels like lhfpyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:22 pmsome games hook me immediately some games don't
picture me as a shooter who's waiting to see if I get a hot hand
sometimes it'll never happen (well actually, idk if I've ever actually not kicked into gear if alive long enough)
sometimes I show up to the game knowing I'm about to drop 50 points
I have nothing to believe that pyxxy is a villager so far so I'm pushing him for content.
?Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:28 pmWait if you're looking for a good rand (which I assume means power role? Maybe it means mafia) why did you queue for a mountainouspyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:22 pmsome games hook me immediately some games don't
picture me as a shooter who's waiting to see if I get a hot hand
sometimes it'll never happen (well actually, idk if I've ever actually not kicked into gear if alive long enough)
sometimes I show up to the game knowing I'm about to drop 50 points
Why not post this when you voted for me?Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:40 pmNo pings from Lemon/Kate/Falcon/Sig/Six so far. I originally wanted to poke Lemon since I tend to have a good read on her but ted's handling of my slot pinged me.Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:29 pmWhat do you think of other people who haven't given content yetCamilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:25 pmThe list feels kind of pointless as it has tints of busywork since it doesn't really say anything about the game-state at all.
I want actual content from him since we're already beyond the RVS stage of the game.
Like I have hardly given any content, I totally ignores the D0 arguments (or at least didn't comment), but you seemingly townlean me
Like, I kind of want to TR Falcon as he tonally looks okay in a "I don't give a fuck"-way but I feel reluctant on tonereading this sort of attitude as it's fairly easily fakeable for more experienced players.
My TR on you boils to your response to ted since from experience this sort of attitude, as in responding "I have no reads" when pressed for reads tend to come from villas as wolves when pressed on for reads don't want to look like they're empty-handed and will just sheep consensus reads like Seanzie V or just randomly make stuff up. You straight-up owning that you have no reads here feels honest in a way that a wolf wouldn't for fear of looking like they aren't productive.
So what has been your perspective of the game so far?pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:42 pmagreed that I'm not lhfCamilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:27 pmIt's not LHF? The definition of a LHF is a villager that's an easy push and so far pyxxy is roughly =rand when it comes to his posts.Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:24 pmThat's what makes me kinda wary of Camilla, their vote on you kinda feels like lhfpyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:22 pmsome games hook me immediately some games don't
picture me as a shooter who's waiting to see if I get a hot hand
sometimes it'll never happen (well actually, idk if I've ever actually not kicked into gear if alive long enough)
sometimes I show up to the game knowing I'm about to drop 50 points
I have nothing to believe that pyxxy is a villager so far so I'm pushing him for content.
agreed that I've been chilling and living life (bc I thought N0 would end sooner)
I think the interesting thing about me is that people who don't know me like to vote me for the exact reasons that you've described (I've way underposted my average so far this game tho)
if you're scum + you're the type to actively talk with your scummates + some of them are familiar with me, then I don't think you make that vote on me
if you're scum + you either aren't a hyperdetailed player as scum / you don't have scummates that are familiar with me, then I think you _do_ make that vote on me, because I'm a decent place to put a vote and with 2 votes you're just looking for another wagon to start besides yourself, it's early goings, etc
unfortunately [redacted] is still ongoing but it's literally an example of this happening
if you're town then I think I'm getting a helpful perspective of you as a player and that's good too
Which part of the post?pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:45 pmWhy not post this when you voted for me?Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:40 pmNo pings from Lemon/Kate/Falcon/Sig/Six so far. I originally wanted to poke Lemon since I tend to have a good read on her but ted's handling of my slot pinged me.Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:29 pmWhat do you think of other people who haven't given content yetCamilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:25 pmThe list feels kind of pointless as it has tints of busywork since it doesn't really say anything about the game-state at all.
I want actual content from him since we're already beyond the RVS stage of the game.
Like I have hardly given any content, I totally ignores the D0 arguments (or at least didn't comment), but you seemingly townlean me
Like, I kind of want to TR Falcon as he tonally looks okay in a "I don't give a fuck"-way but I feel reluctant on tonereading this sort of attitude as it's fairly easily fakeable for more experienced players.
My TR on you boils to your response to ted since from experience this sort of attitude, as in responding "I have no reads" when pressed for reads tend to come from villas as wolves when pressed on for reads don't want to look like they're empty-handed and will just sheep consensus reads like Seanzie V or just randomly make stuff up. You straight-up owning that you have no reads here feels honest in a way that a wolf wouldn't for fear of looking like they aren't productive.
I think people are having fun and being chill and good summer-is-soon vibesCamilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:46 pmSo what has been your perspective of the game so far?pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:42 pmagreed that I'm not lhfCamilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:27 pmIt's not LHF? The definition of a LHF is a villager that's an easy push and so far pyxxy is roughly =rand when it comes to his posts.Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:24 pmThat's what makes me kinda wary of Camilla, their vote on you kinda feels like lhfpyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:22 pmsome games hook me immediately some games don't
picture me as a shooter who's waiting to see if I get a hot hand
sometimes it'll never happen (well actually, idk if I've ever actually not kicked into gear if alive long enough)
sometimes I show up to the game knowing I'm about to drop 50 points
I have nothing to believe that pyxxy is a villager so far so I'm pushing him for content.
agreed that I've been chilling and living life (bc I thought N0 would end sooner)
I think the interesting thing about me is that people who don't know me like to vote me for the exact reasons that you've described (I've way underposted my average so far this game tho)
if you're scum + you're the type to actively talk with your scummates + some of them are familiar with me, then I don't think you make that vote on me
if you're scum + you either aren't a hyperdetailed player as scum / you don't have scummates that are familiar with me, then I think you _do_ make that vote on me, because I'm a decent place to put a vote and with 2 votes you're just looking for another wagon to start besides yourself, it's early goings, etc
unfortunately [redacted] is still ongoing but it's literally an example of this happening
if you're town then I think I'm getting a helpful perspective of you as a player and that's good too
I don't have experience with you and that post, as in the list, caught my eye being that it kind of felt a bit odd irt the gamestate.
All of it.Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:48 pmWhich part of the post?pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:45 pmWhy not post this when you voted for me?Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:40 pmNo pings from Lemon/Kate/Falcon/Sig/Six so far. I originally wanted to poke Lemon since I tend to have a good read on her but ted's handling of my slot pinged me.Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:29 pmWhat do you think of other people who haven't given content yetCamilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:25 pmThe list feels kind of pointless as it has tints of busywork since it doesn't really say anything about the game-state at all.
I want actual content from him since we're already beyond the RVS stage of the game.
Like I have hardly given any content, I totally ignores the D0 arguments (or at least didn't comment), but you seemingly townlean me
Like, I kind of want to TR Falcon as he tonally looks okay in a "I don't give a fuck"-way but I feel reluctant on tonereading this sort of attitude as it's fairly easily fakeable for more experienced players.
My TR on you boils to your response to ted since from experience this sort of attitude, as in responding "I have no reads" when pressed for reads tend to come from villas as wolves when pressed on for reads don't want to look like they're empty-handed and will just sheep consensus reads like Seanzie V or just randomly make stuff up. You straight-up owning that you have no reads here feels honest in a way that a wolf wouldn't for fear of looking like they aren't productive.
The naked vote thing is a stylistic thing that I always do. My playstyle basically boils down to making these sorts of votes then question the people I'm voting to generate content and if their response is not satisfactory enough then I just hard-push them as the elimiantion. This usually works more often than not.pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:54 pmAll of it.Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:48 pmWhich part of the post?pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:45 pmWhy not post this when you voted for me?Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:40 pmNo pings from Lemon/Kate/Falcon/Sig/Six so far. I originally wanted to poke Lemon since I tend to have a good read on her but ted's handling of my slot pinged me.Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:29 pmWhat do you think of other people who haven't given content yet
Like I have hardly given any content, I totally ignores the D0 arguments (or at least didn't comment), but you seemingly townlean me
Like, I kind of want to TR Falcon as he tonally looks okay in a "I don't give a fuck"-way but I feel reluctant on tonereading this sort of attitude as it's fairly easily fakeable for more experienced players.
My TR on you boils to your response to ted since from experience this sort of attitude, as in responding "I have no reads" when pressed for reads tend to come from villas as wolves when pressed on for reads don't want to look like they're empty-handed and will just sheep consensus reads like Seanzie V or just randomly make stuff up. You straight-up owning that you have no reads here feels honest in a way that a wolf wouldn't for fear of looking like they aren't productive.
You seem like a well-reasoned player who likes making well constructed posts (in this game, playstyles can vary, etc etc).
[ed note: went and read Camilla's ISO here]
Oh actually you've already dropped 2 naked votes before this. I was extrapolating from what I've read here D1 + remembering that I think you asked a question about linking to post #s instead of needing to quote them?
"No pings from Lemon/Kate/Falcon/Sig/Six so far."
Basically, this was implied by your vote on me.
You voted Lemon but instantly switched to tedxtr in a way that makes me not count the Lemonfairy vote.
Moving off tedxtr to me (pyxxy) was accurately perceived by Dennis and myself as you picking another name from low posters/less active/none really townreads these people yet pool.
That pinged me as sus because as I somewhat unclearly laid out, people who don't know me love to do that to me, and it's got scum caught more than once.
However I think you just naked vote as a stylistic choice, so I would like to [VOTE: Unvote] aubergine
Ok, that sounds fun!pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 2:00 pm Camilla - idk
Dennis - it's dennis
falcon - posting a lot again, sus
Kate - maybe this is the game where I try to learn to read Kate?
Lemonfairy - hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i wont get murderous so quickly this time around :3
Neon - it's Zenon
potentialsheltervet - sure
Pyxxy - me
Seanzie - fine
sig - eh
SixStrings - who?
staypositivefriend - favorable
tedxtr - meh
Oh so humble.
I also townlean you. You're looking like your early civ meta.Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:29 pmWhat do you think of other people who haven't given content yetCamilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:25 pmThe list feels kind of pointless as it has tints of busywork since it doesn't really say anything about the game-state at all.
I want actual content from him since we're already beyond the RVS stage of the game.
Like I have hardly given any content, I totally ignores the D0 arguments (or at least didn't comment), but you seemingly townlean me
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/search.ph ... 695&t=2517
What the hell does any of this meanpyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 2:00 pm Camilla - idk
Dennis - it's dennis
falcon - posting a lot again, sus
Kate - maybe this is the game where I try to learn to read Kate?
Lemonfairy - hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i wont get murderous so quickly this time around :3
Neon - it's Zenon
potentialsheltervet - sure
Pyxxy - me
Seanzie - fine
sig - eh
SixStrings - who?
staypositivefriend - favorable
tedxtr - meh
okay. i want to point out that my mental model of how you react to pressure is not the same as how you're describing itCamilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:55 amAre you actually reading my posts or not?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:05 amto be more specific i dont like how quickly Camilla conceded to calling me towny for interrogating her, when she is generally a lot more skeptical toward me and (to my memory) OMGUSed me very hard when i interrogated her on d1 of the CFC game we just playedCamilla wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 1:33 pmAnd a slight V lean here for not taking my explanation about my tone at face value, tbh.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 1:24 pm also i actually went back and looked at the practice game that you're referring to: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread (this one, right?), and your tone seems completely normal to me. i don't get the sense that you were trying to change the way you sound at all, at least based on the first page of your ISO
I don't get how you're not seeing my tone shift there? I tried intentionally to seem more jokingish/friendly there and got like 3 villagers on my wagon at RVS.
felt a bit like she was trying to defuse my suspicions of her by calling me towny at a point when it wasn't really warranted by my questioning, especially since i was keeping my cards pretty close to my chest at that point and hadn't really posted much game related content
I didn't call you towny for interrogating me as this is something you'd do as either alignment. I called you villagery because you bothered to go into the Practice Game to read my tone there while as a wolf I'd think that you'd just go "Oh good so you're trying to reform your behavior" being that I know how your mindset is towards toxicity/wholesomeness in FM games and there wouldn't be any reason for you to doubt it since you'd know my alignment so you'd just accept it.
I don't engage in this sort of diffuse/appease behavior as a wolf because I know that people will wolfread me for it so my usual wolf response to pressure is to lash out, as you should perfectly be aware of. (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost5138703)
I OMGUS'd you in the CFC game because your main argument against me being a wolf was based on the fallacious premise being that I do not worldbuild d1 and you were pushing me for not doing so while you should be familiar with my play style as we've played together several times. I don't see the point in OMGUS'ing you here being that I've seen no signs of you pushing me in what I see to be bad faith and your skepticism towards my original reasoning was good enough that I don't want to vote you right now.
fwiw i agree with this
Ty.Kate wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 4:27 pmhttps://mafiathesyndicate.com/search.ph ... 695&t=2517
The main thing that struck me from your case on me in that game was that I was not preflipping Duck which is why I OMGUS'd you as I don't think that you'd actually use that as an argument against me in good faith. So yeah, I do concede that I have strawmanned you as while the rest of the case wasn't as objectible that part really made me think you were wolfing and not reading my slot in good faith.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 5:52 pmokay. i want to point out that my mental model of how you react to pressure is not the same as how you're describing itCamilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:55 amAre you actually reading my posts or not?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:05 amto be more specific i dont like how quickly Camilla conceded to calling me towny for interrogating her, when she is generally a lot more skeptical toward me and (to my memory) OMGUSed me very hard when i interrogated her on d1 of the CFC game we just playedCamilla wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 1:33 pmAnd a slight V lean here for not taking my explanation about my tone at face value, tbh.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 1:24 pm also i actually went back and looked at the practice game that you're referring to: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread (this one, right?), and your tone seems completely normal to me. i don't get the sense that you were trying to change the way you sound at all, at least based on the first page of your ISO
I don't get how you're not seeing my tone shift there? I tried intentionally to seem more jokingish/friendly there and got like 3 villagers on my wagon at RVS.
felt a bit like she was trying to defuse my suspicions of her by calling me towny at a point when it wasn't really warranted by my questioning, especially since i was keeping my cards pretty close to my chest at that point and hadn't really posted much game related content
I didn't call you towny for interrogating me as this is something you'd do as either alignment. I called you villagery because you bothered to go into the Practice Game to read my tone there while as a wolf I'd think that you'd just go "Oh good so you're trying to reform your behavior" being that I know how your mindset is towards toxicity/wholesomeness in FM games and there wouldn't be any reason for you to doubt it since you'd know my alignment so you'd just accept it.
I don't engage in this sort of diffuse/appease behavior as a wolf because I know that people will wolfread me for it so my usual wolf response to pressure is to lash out, as you should perfectly be aware of. (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost5138703)
I OMGUS'd you in the CFC game because your main argument against me being a wolf was based on the fallacious premise being that I do not worldbuild d1 and you were pushing me for not doing so while you should be familiar with my play style as we've played together several times. I don't see the point in OMGUS'ing you here being that I've seen no signs of you pushing me in what I see to be bad faith and your skepticism towards my original reasoning was good enough that I don't want to vote you right now.
the reason why i scumread you in the CFC game was a lot more nuanced than: "camilia doesn't worldbuild" - that was a strawman that you created because you were reacting aggressively to my interrogation of you and you seemed focused on discrediting it as much as humanely possible
whereas i recall that your reaction to me pressuring you on page 1 of the bops & flops game was very calm, measured, and focused on getting me off your back (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost5134651)
so, when you reacted to my early pressure on you in this game by calling me town and seeming to take a similarly cloying approach, it made me feel like perhaps you were a wolf who was trying to defuse my suspicion on you, because the timing of your townread on me did not feel organic
i acknowledge this response but i think you're misunderstanding the original thing that made me suspicious of you
Which I absolutely hate since I am trying to change this town to a less rude one.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 5:52 pm you throwing in the passive aggressive: "are you reading my posts or not?" is proly the towniest part of your defense lol
tone* not townCamilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 7:19 pmWhich I absolutely hate since I am trying to change this town to a less rude one.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 5:52 pm you throwing in the passive aggressive: "are you reading my posts or not?" is proly the towniest part of your defense lol
didn't like how you overstated your reads (announcing that you solved the game) when the reason you gave was very lackluster in comparison
vote me thenpotentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:43 pmTell me more, tell me more
Lemonfairy's a wolf
Tell me more, tell me more
...nothing here rhymes with wolf
Etc etc etc
...those summer nights
why on Dennis and pyxxy?Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:04 pm Camilla
Dennis
SPF
PSV
pyxxy
Neon
Seanzie
Lemonfairy
falcon
Kate
SixString
Sig
Ted
Roughly where I am for like a halfday mark.
Kind of really doubt PSV ever flips W here unless both of his partners are just refusing to play the game since they've basically been the top wagon this entire game, tbh. Mostly confident on my reads on Dennis/SPF even if they're faint-ish being that this has been a fairly light game.
Content vote since Six only had a single post and that was his confirmation.Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:05 pmis this just another placeholder kind of vote for more content or a real vote