The Syndicate

BR - I knew your role as soon as I was silenced

This was a very fun game.

Epignosis wrote:
Roxy wrote:Why didn't every civ win only a select few?
Radiator Springs people would need to be alive at the end.

Well that sucks

jk still a fun game

Why didn't every civ win only a select few?

yay! Congrats to the winners!
Fun game Elo & Epi!

MovingPictures07 wrote:

aww poor Sockadoodledoo! No worries I have you all set here.

Not surprised.
I was hoping people would show their true intent. I am going to let it happen bc civs will never win a game on this site.

Also the civs deserve to lose this for following bs cases/suspicions - I changed my vote to help.

Sorry for the language elo and epi I had forgotten about the kids

Thanks LC but you just helped MP's Case against you by being helpful in the thread :o

Also its bs that you keep saying I am using emotion MP.
First you think I am bad simply bc I disagreed with your silly cases on FZ and Bass.
Now I am bc for no reason given (sound familar?) I guess you are doing the same thing you accuse LC of

Linky what redacted case MP??? second time you accuse me without giving me ANYTHING to respond to.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rox's fixation on Ambray and the way she has emotionally manipulated the thread have been bothering me for some time. I think she's your teammate.

You are brilliant baddie hunter MP! I guess your wall of text will secure LC's lynch -
I guess since your lumping me together as a baddie with FZ & Bass who had dun goofed did not work out so now I am a baddie with LC on a team though idk why since I was suspicious of LC before MP - but what ever he says must be true bc its in a wall of text.

Yes everyone, lets trust someone who has consistently led lynches on civvies all gme.

Someone who refuses to see all sides.

Someone who thinks he is right all the time so their mind will remain unchanged even when proven wrong.

Someone who is displaying all the civ qualities that make me want to follow their vote.

I really wish you would just go on and make a wall of text about me so I can be lynched and put out of my misery.

Also to anyone who has cleared MP to be a civ bc he MAY have survived a N attempt - HELO. - there are 2 baddie teams and Chick.

I may switch my vote to made since no one will vote with me for Ambray.

Eww I smell a drive by -

on boogs

Voted yesterday.

Epignosis wrote:Kate was last logged in the morning of December 3rd.

thank you.

Dom wrote:lc why do you think hedge was lynched over made

Why do you think it happened?

Where the heck is Kate?? Epi or Elo have you heard anything from her??

Snow Dog wrote:
Roxy wrote:So I guess Ambray is going to ignore the posts about her and those suspicious of her

Linky - c'mon Snow - read the first page - Did MP vote when he was silenced?
There is your answer.

Roxy wrote:I do not like the way Snow is acting it feels off like he did in the beginning of the game.

Roxy wrote:Again Snow what exactly is your prob?
I thought he said he'd forgotten to vote, my bad. But why are you over reacting so much? Don't think I've seen you like this before.

Anyway, I forgot that you were silenced that day.

Again...you are making a lot out of a simple statement.

But it was a bit more than "a" simple statement wasn't it? There deffo was more than "a" statement see:

First there was:

I'm inclined to believe Roxy is civ. And MP and Made and also MR. Not sure about anybody else. Actually leaning civ on Dom too.

Then your very NEXT post is exactly 7 minutes later:

I wish I had a good answer. It may very well be one of the people i just passed as civ who is bad. Roxy coukd be bad. She changed her vite at my request and if she is bad she would have known she had nothing to lose by swtching votes from one civ to another. And i hAVE had my dobts about her.

But. Maybe DF, LC and BR.

And what about Simon? Doesn't say much but who nows? He has to have a bad role at some stage. aybe not now though. Would his parents give him a mafia role? Doubtful I think.

What changed your mind in 7 minutes Snow?

Just noticed something quite surprising.

Neither splints nor Roxy voted in that lynch.

I have already told you I was silenced - and btw if you had actually read back you would know that splints was flying from NY to London that day and is the reason she missed the vote. Nice try twisting the truth.

So yah a bit more than "a" statement. Why are you stretching the truth? Why after I said I regretted my decision to trust you did you start to immediately no u me?

I am now back to thinking Made is bad and by association you are bad and I stupidly followed your advice and took my vote off of Made.

See when I give trust I do not expect to be back stabbed after I do so quickly. Not very civvie imo.

Ambray and Tink (see Tink it is not for nothing.)

Tink what made you defend Ambray?

Roxy wrote:Ambray mostly bc during her involvement in the 3 civvie lynches. Its especially apparent during FZ's lynch when I reread it Ambray comes across like she is just fanning the flames to make MP feel even more sure about his (unfounded) "cases". She was saying how FZ was rude when she herself was rude as well. Idk reading it back it felt like she did not bring anything new to the table during the 3 civvie lynches she just provided fuel for the fire already smoldering.

Roxy wrote:I am sorry you find my use of quotation marks flippant - I used them to make my point.
I do not agree the cases were good at all inre: FZ & Bass and I said as much when you and MP were leading the crusade against them. The cases (if you can cal them that) were made last minute in the last hours of a 48 hour lynch.
FZ was just as dismissive of your case as you guys were at the defense she gave.

Please don't piggy back off of my suspicions - perhaps if everyone lists their top two suspects we can see if any match up.

PS you are not alone in your frustration this game.

PPSS I believe MP to be silenced since is not posting here.

MP wrote:Mine? or LC's? I'll give you mine anyway though.

I suppose at the moment they are 1) LC and 2) Ambray, but there are so many players I would say we haven't heard enough from. I was thinking Ambray seemed civ but looking back on her behavior she has inched up my list since I was initially silenced.

MP wrote:I could be swayed to an Ambray vote, but I'm really afraid of being manipulated, and I'm not sure she's bad just yet. I just have doubts that she's good at this point. She did support my thoughts on FZ. and Bass, and was the first to make the observation against Blooper on D1, but hasn't contributed much else of anything.

(This post is really "fence ridey" MP)

Ambray -
I mean no there are not questions but you have no response about anything?

Ambray wrote:
Roxy wrote:So I guess Ambray is going to ignore the posts about her and those suspicious of her
If you can quote where someone has actually said something I can reply to, I'd be happy to do so. All I can see is my name being thrown around and nothing to go with it.

Soon as I get home from work.

Long Con wrote:I'm not too suspicious of either Made or Snow Dog at this point. Looking more toward Roxy, fingersplints, and maybe Dom after a reread.

I may have worked out a couple of roles, need to watch and see. As for BR, I'm usually blind to her alignment so

splints is dead.

Again Snow what exactly is your prob?

I do not like the way Snow is acting it feels off like he did in the beginning of the game.

So I guess Ambray is going to ignore the posts about her and those suspicious of her

Linky - c'mon Snow - read the first page - Did MP vote when he was silenced?
There is your answer.

Snow Dog wrote:Just noticed something quite surprising.

Neither splints nor Roxy voted in that lynch.

I was silenced - jeepers wtf Snow? I give you trust now you seem to be railroading me towards lynch what exactly is your prob?

Aww bummer splints! htagwsyrtlmyw!

I am also still looking at Ambray.

I would like to hear from everyone this lynch. There are dead players who have more posts than live ones. I am not asking much just your suspicions for this lynch.

Also I agree baddies are prob in the pool of people tossing out trust early in the game the way it happened.

You know I had never won a poll before like that - it was surprising even to me.

LC - Well I said that only bc you said you had been looking at the baddie trust of civs in the past few games so I shared what I had noticed.

Long Con wrote: It follows something I've been looking at for a few games now, the idea of baddies expressing trust in Civvies to get some cred.

Just what I have already mentioned. Tbf BR's opinion carries weight when I think about him.
He has brought focus on you then seemed to be subtley shifting his focus to the lynch of the day using my name like it meant something.
He has however explained that since I was silenced he was looking for a fresh perspective since the first 2 lynches (now 3) had went badly. I get that. I felt and still feel the same.

Still I would like to hear BR's thoughts since his response.

I would also like to hear from splints and Kate.

Who are your top 2 suspicions and why? What have you learned since your read back?

LC -I was referring to players in general - just something I have noticed while hosting games over the years. Why ask splints about something I said? thanks for your earlier response.

MP - Read back all you want MP I've nothing to hide.

Well fudgesicles!
Wow last minute stuff never works out.
I feel like an idiot.

LOL me too

And poss splints but I am horrendous at reading her.

Black Rock wrote:
Roxy wrote:If I vote Ambray I will feel its a wasted lynch and we learn nothing.
we need a consensus in order to get a lynch.

Linky MR I feel the same Hedge I am also unsure of

Well I have no clue who to vote for and I was hoping by now something solid might have shown up.

Yeah there is a lot of little things pinging me but not enough to build any sort of case.
inre: LC, boogs and the little ones.

I changed my vote to Hedge - look Snow I have given you trust do not make me regret it.

I am ok with voting Hedge BUT if Made continues on this same track I will continue to think him bad and will vote him until he or I die.

If I vote Ambray I will feel its a wasted lynch and we learn nothing.
we need a consensus in order to get a lynch.

Linky MR I feel the same Hedge I am also unsure of

I do not want to vote BR.

What about hedge?
MR?

Who would you vote for?
Its obv who else I would vote for.

I voted for Made. His last post did not help his cause.

How strange the votes on MR.

I wish splints was around to bounce ideas around with.

Dear Hosts - are you trying to find replacements for the low/no posters/voters?

Made wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:Any reason you left BR, Sabie, Tink, and Simon off your mention of low participants?
Because I was on my cellphone and didn't feel like tabing back and checking low posters.

Also formatting this on my phone sucks, so I'm going to respond to roxys comment against me a second post.

Madey take your time we have until tonight - no rush.

I would like to add that I will not be voting for a low poster any time soon. its an easy cop out this early in the game.

I am not suspicious of Made for any of the reasons others have listed. I am suspicious of him for these two posts.

The first one is basically trying to get everyone thinking that chick the sk is ok since hetargeted llama and he thought llama was bad - ergo chick is helping the town

Prob with that is that I thought llama was civ.

Made wrote:I'm going out on a limb and assuming Chick thought Llama was mafia.
Assuming the above is correct, would Chick target llama during the day? A second question, does it matter yet? I mean if s/he baddie hunting, they're an asset until all mafia are dead.

This quote is where he, out of the clear blue sky, does this defense post of Ambray. Ambray
Had not even been voted for nor was there any type of case made on her. This is what pings me the most about Made.

Made wrote:It's sticking out like a sore thumb in my head that simple doesn't make sense. Why do we care so much that Ambray was the first to vote FZ? Is there more background or context that i'm just overlooking? It isn't arguable that Mp was the driving force behind FZ's lynch. Are people who are throwing Ambray's name around contesting that?

Current reads, I'm really mixed on MP, It's interesting, how now that i have actually have bases to make an argument against him, he seems civvie. As DF described, he seems like his eccentric self. I think it's too early to lynch him if there's an alternative.
My lead going into this day was Llama, so

I'm not seeing a solid case against Bass due to how much that weighed on FZ being mafia.

Dom is reading Civvie, which is terrifying because normally he reads blank. He's far more helpful and seemingly rational than normal imo.

Hedgie and BWT should say more words

Note what he says about Bass prior to making a case and voting for Bass.

Made is not civ imo. He is either indy or baddie - I lean baddie tbqh.

Long Con wrote:I didn't find much I thought too interesting in the Roxy trusters. Two were Bass and FZ., one was MP07, and then there's fingersplints, who is Roxy's friend.

I have to vote now because I have to go to work. I'm going to go with Made, partly because Roxy herself agrees with it, partly because of the strange analysis of Dom's play, which seems pretty normal to me. It's pretty weak.

Why does it matter if I agree or not? I hope you answer BR about why you suddenly have this trust for me.

Ambray wrote:The fact that I caught up on Bass's slip before MP posted about it would indicate that perhaps I wasn't coasting along with him and fanning his flames as you suggest Roxy.
I saw his post saying MP was the target for the NK and I questioned when this was brought to light - it was after this that MP made his post that actually laid that all down for other players to read in a thought out process - I am positive if he had not done so, I would've.
I however had not made the lead of Bass and FZ being baddie teammates until I read MP's case.

I find it very...flippant?...that you keep using quotation marks and dismissive language when you speak about MP's cases because I thought they were well though out, concise and believable with evidence from the thread that backed it up.
Perhaps it's because I was there at the time, reading along and posting that I got caught up in it all and found it easier to believe, but I couldn't fault his logic one bit.

FZ was ridiculously dismissive, I have never seen someone so dismissive about a case brought up against them. The fact that she didn't want to spend a single post defending herself and wanted to focus attention elsewhere made me believe she was a baddie.
Here's the though process on that - I'm a civvie, great! I know that. You don't. It's my job to make you believe that, that is after all the game. She didn't want to spend any time trying to show me that when, I felt, there were genuine things being brought up against her.

And 3 civvies have been lynched in a row? So what? No, it's not great, but is that anything new?? Sorry that I am not infallible and have made mistakes with my voting.

Please show me where the baddies are and I'll vote there next if you'll think you'll get a hole in one Roxy?

Suffice to say, I'm a bit frustrated at the tone of this game.

I am sorry you find my use of quotation marks flippant - I used them to make my point.
I do not agree the cases were good at all inre: FZ & Bass and I said as much when you and MP were leading the crusade against them. The cases (if you can cal them that) were made last minute in the last hours of a 48 hour lynch.
FZ was just as dismissive of your case as you guys were at the defense she gave.

Please don't piggy back off of my suspicions - perhaps if everyone lists their top two suspects we can see if any match up.

PS you are not alone in your frustration this game.

PPSS I believe MP to be silenced since is not posting here.

Long Con wrote:I was thinking back over the game, and recalling a flood of trust for Roxy near the start. I thought it might be beneficial to track that trust a little, and see who fostered it, and who followed it. Seems like the kind of thing the baddies might want to get involved with on some level. It follows something I've been looking at for a few games now, the idea of baddies expressing trust in Civvies to get some cred.

Yes I believe this to be true. It also follows that people will trust their friends in the thread before they trust anyone else. Its just nature I guess.

Made - yep you have played games when I have been both civ and bad.

Also ebwop - <om=Dom

Dom wrote:
Made wrote:Alright so let's start the day with leads, who is everyone the most suspicious of?
I'm on my cellphone atm so and need to re-read some stuff, but rest assure, the reads are on their way!
I am most suspicious of you.

I am with you <om he is so closely followed by Ambray.

Ambray mostly bc during her involvement in the 3 civvie lynches. Its especially apparent during FZ's lynch when I reread it Ambray comes across like she is just fanning the flames to make MP feel even more sure about his (unfounded) "cases". She was saying how FZ was rude when she herself was rude as well. Idk reading it back it felt like she did not bring anything new to the table during the 3 civvie lynches she just provided fuel for the fire already smoldering.

I could vote for either one tbh - how do you feel about Ambray?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Roxy wrote:MP - I tried telling you that I did not win any benefit or prize that I was aware of, you say I am a baddie who "dun goofed" and lumped me with 2 other civvies and then lynched them (am I next on your list?) - then Snow says the same thing and you are like yeah makes sense/I agree.

Why? and how odd.
Not sure what you mean about "Snow says the same thing..." portion.

I'm not sure I feel as strongly that you are lying anymore. I thought that previously, sure.

And yes, you summarized something which I did quite well there. No, you are not necessarily next on my list.

Why are you antagonizing me so much? I've genuinely tried to baddie hunt this game. If you don't believe that, fine, but you should consider that I'm not telling or forcing people to blindly follow me. Some are just doing it anyway. I really didn't even feel that sure about Bass yesterday, but I still had a lingering feeling he could have slipped.

Inre: Snow says the same - meaning that the night poll you both tied in was meaningless. You state that you were not sure it was meaningless but you did not accuse him of lying or try to say he was a baddie who "dun goofed".
I pulled quotes for context.

Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:One last thing, sorry:

Snowy, assuming we're allowed to discuss (are we, Hosts?), were you informed anything regarding last night's Frank poll considering we both tied for most votes?
Nope. I think the vote was meaningless in itself. But it did a good job.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Snowy, interesting thought. Not sure if I think it was meaningless, but I guess we'll find out.

I find it a bit troubling that you do not say nor even mention if YOU won anything in the night poll that you and Snow tied in.

Sorry if you feel that I have been antagonizing you. But that is the name of the game right?
I felt quite the same when you accused me of being bad just bc I disagreed with your "cases" on FZ and Bass. Oft times this game makes me think "wow I cannot believe they are making me feel this way" then I remember oh yeah its just a game. The mafia gods have heard this lament many times from me.

Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Long Con wrote:I doubt that the real Mack would just blurt it into the thread, Roxy.

And did you mean an excellent 'rez' candidate?
I am going to agree with you and try and bring back FZ. If that is what this is about.
I agree with this too.

But how do we know which option is which player, if true?

Llama is Snot Rot (llama's spit) DJ is FZ (both initials) and Bass is Boost I guess. Bass boost gettit?

No I don't get it and you forgot about Ni/juuk/ninja/blooper.

Yes LC I meant "rezz". I srsly doubt anyone is getting rezzed as the other night polls did nothing.
And I did not say they would out themselves - at all - I said they would make it known.

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