The Syndicate

Hey everybody, go sign up for Socky's Awards Mafia. It will be a fun game and you will learn who won the Socky's for 2018!

Yes Long Con and Black Rock, what Lorab said. ^^ I always love your games and I had a blast.

That needs to win a Socky next year for outstanding host post.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:09 pm I am apologizing to LC and Mac privately. Without going into it, yesterday was a wildly shitty day (both figuratively and literally ) and I spoke uncharitably here and took that avenue to channel my frustrations. I will do better.

I heard the details about your day and it sounded horrid. Sorry you had to go through that.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:49 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:12 am
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:14 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:14 am I think "Mac played a good game and deserved a win" and "the balance of this setup was off" can both be true statements.
true but i think the latter has its own place and it's not 5 minutes after the game ended
That's literally the best time to discuss a game's balance.
Because that's the first thing the winner wants to read after a month of fighting for a win.

Yeah I double triple agree with this and it's not because I'm a winner (I mean I got killed too early to really contribute to the win). If it were me and I had a problem with the balance of a game and my objective was to give feedback to the host so they could improve in their next game I would give them the feedback privately. Why call out the host and winners publicly, what is the objective there?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:23 am
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:35 am OH. MY. GOD. Mac you were awesome. You could have died so many times but you didn't. I am just blown away. Kudos to you.

And S~V~S lol you killed me and I wanted to play so bad. I never suspected it was you, I thought it was the other team. Way to go there, it started our demise.

Thank you for the game Long Rock and I will look forward to Recruitment V!
That was amazing luck for me. I had the role I had and I landed on a square with a dead body on it right out of the gate. Since TH was a baddie I might not have bothered to see who targeted him... but he flipped Seemer. Kyle and I figured that either he really was the Trickster, or his killer was. Either way we would put the Trickster and his chaos to rest if we killed his killer. That was why whenever anyone brought up the possibility of a Seemer, I squashed it hard. No good could come to the town from that sort of speculation. So I checked to see who targeted him.

And the only person who targeted him was you.

Kyle and I lucked out having complimentary powers, we could actually prove our roles to each other, since DDL teleported to the square next to us mid day, and we were able to confirm for each other.

And win or lose, I will always come out for LC/BR games.

Oh wow that's awesome. It makes me feel better that you knew I targeted him. Good job!

Was Tranq killed just because he was in-range of a Remnant and seemed civ? He was our ace in the hole, we figured everyone would die and it would leave him to try to win.

OH. MY. GOD. Mac you were awesome. You could have died so many times but you didn't. I am just blown away. Kudos to you.

And S~V~S lol you killed me and I wanted to play so bad. I never suspected it was you, I thought it was the other team. Way to go there, it started our demise.

Thank you for the game Long Rock and I will look forward to Recruitment V!

nutella is right [mention]Long Con[/mention] that lynch post should win some kind of award!

Merry Christmas to all!

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:34 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:31 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:18 pm This is a very weird game
As somebody who played CC123 may I say: eh
CC123 like

Gman: THE....GAME

Everyone: Woooooooo

LC/CBob/Quin/Jack/Speed/Juliets: This game is fun.

Everyone else: Sleeping at the wheel.

INH: Let's stop the primes.

LC/CBob/Quin/Jack/Speed/Juliets: Lol no.

Sloonei: What does this button do?

Jack: It ruins everything.

Kyle: Imma replace in and just win. Yay!

Least, that's how I remember it.
juliets/quin/CBob: BTSC team for life besties forever

Later:

@juliets: hey Colin remember when we were playing CC123 together with quin wasn't that the best

CBob:

First, Jack's post is hilarious. And lol @colonialbob, I don't know how I made that mistake! I'm so sorry!

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:23 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:08 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:39 pm I need to know how/when/where tranq got that item, because not only does it sound contradictory, but im pretty sure it's a lie to compensate for mislynching wilgy

a half assed sounding one at that
sprityo when you say it sounds contradictory are you just saying it's contradictory because wilgy flipped civ or do you mean something else? I think all of us would like to know how/when/where tranq got the Mirror but I don't think he can respond to at least some of that per the rules. Thats my take at least.
if he "FOUND" it on the map like he said he did, then i know he's allowed to

Ok thanks. I thought we couldn't discuss specific map locations.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:12 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:10 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:34 pm Also not caught up all the way, but I dont want to lynch Mac, though i do think a sloonie lynch is becoming more viable.

Basically with the town leaders/high speed civs we need this strategy if they keep leading us wrong we need them gone. This is true fpr epi, mac, and sloonie. Since rhe longer they're alive and the more mislynches they led the more likely it is they're mafia
Wtf we have 30 people and I'm assuming something like 12-14 are civ, lynching 2 civs the first 2 days is always the most likely outcome.

Also I'm still reading but I don't see sloonei driving a wilgy train at all so far. Mac correctly called the wilgy lynch as Garbo, iirc Epi wasn't a fan either.
EBWOP 12-14 aren't civ

Haha I was looking at that 12-14 number and thinking he thinks we've only got 12-14 civs? How could that be?

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:39 pm I need to know how/when/where tranq got that item, because not only does it sound contradictory, but im pretty sure it's a lie to compensate for mislynching wilgy

a half assed sounding one at that

sprityo when you say it sounds contradictory are you just saying it's contradictory because wilgy flipped civ or do you mean something else? I think all of us would like to know how/when/where tranq got the Mirror but I don't think he can respond to at least some of that per the rules. Thats my take at least.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:41 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:33 pm I asked this before but I don't think I got an answer. I thought "forge" meant the forger can make someone appear as any alignment he or she wants. Does it mean they can also make people appear any role that they want?
There may be variations on how it works out there. The Trickster's forge allows him to make his kill-target appear as the role and alignment of his choosing.

OOOOOHHHHHHHH ok thank you much.

I asked this before but I don't think I got an answer. I thought "forge" meant the forger can make someone appear as any alignment he or she wants. Does it mean they can also make people appear any role that they want?

[mention]Tranq[/mention] thank you for your reply. I tend to think you're not lying because you're identifying your position on the map with the Magic Mirror thingy and there could be someone that knows what square you are on and can check to see if there really is a mirror there and what kind of info it gives. In other words, if it was a lie it was a risky lie.

[mention]Lunalee[/mention], in all fairness to you it has occurred to me that you haven't played one of these Long Rock games and my skepticism comes from years of playing them and knowing that information is often not what it seems.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:59 am To be more explicit re Tranq, I would be amazed if baddie Tranq would say such a dumb thing in seriousness, joke or not. He is insanely careful. I don't recall ever seeing bad Tranq lynched. Maybe @juliets would have a better idea of that, and I am sure he will correct me if I am wrong there.

I am never comfortable in a game until certain people slip into place. That remark went far towards making me feel better about Tranq, but not good enough to greenlight him.

I concur that Tranq is insanely careful and I don't remember seeing a Tranq baddie lynch either. But I'm still somewhat shocked at his exclamation in the middle of EOD that Wilgy was bad when in reality he wasn't. (btw, RIP DrWilgy, thank you for answering my call to play with us). So I've got a question for [mention]Tranq[/mention] this morning: why did you think Wilgy was bad? Can you share that or no? What do you think about the fact he flipped good?

As for INH, I couldn't help but laugh when I came to his posts. Chaos player is the perfect description for him. I don't know what to think right now about his pronouncements, I'll have to re-read them. He couldn't possibly have that much info on people though could he? We're only on N2 right now. Also, his sudden appearance after we were thinking he was silenced is a little disconcerting. I also need to re-look at his drunk post because I didn't see the claim on the face of it the first time I read it.

Epi, I tried to go back and re-read you but I'm just too tired. Your posts are just floating in front of my eyes. I will look at your ISO tomorrow morning when I' fresh.

I am out in the next 10 minutes or so.

Oh my gosh, did I leave Epi out of my reads list? I so apologize. Let me refresh myself on your posts. Especially since Quin has said he might vote him though I can't think of one reason why he'd do that offhand.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:34 pm Ok I'm 3 pages behind and you guys are already lightspeed posting. I'll have to leave in half an hour. So some quick thoughts.

This Luna wagon is bizarre. I don't get why her being sure about something makes her bad.

I can't believe people are lynching Wilgy again. Then again I can believe it. Not gonna oppose it cuz it's fucking Wilgy. But I prefer Quin.

I usually believe claims because it's hard to fake this stuff, so sprityo is probably legit. The one I'm not sure if I should trust is the lady in the woods. Not feeling the switch to sabie right now, I think I wanna discuss about it longer.

I'm out, if you guys want me to respond to something specific you have 10 minutes to tag me. And don't tag me to ask me to ISO someone.

DDL I don't think there is a Luna wagon. She's only got one vote. I'm most likely to stay where I am and just move her to yellow on the list in my head. My issue is her lack of questioning what the info meant.

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:24 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:23 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:23 pm sloonei i love you and i haven't given your list the attention it deserves and i'm sorry but who is on it again?
you
But also Luna, Quin, DDL, G-Man.

and Kyle

I am unsure about Luna now after her response to the sprityo info. I do not question that sprityo is giving us information that he got. What I do question is what the info means. sabie? someone she was next to? something I haven't though of? I just don't see how a smart woman as Luna jumps to the conclusion it's sable so quickly. So I'm torn at the moment as to whether that's enough to knock my opinion down to orange or red or just yellow. I'm watching TV at the moment but I'll be around. I WILL NOT be here at EOD though, I will be asleep.

lots of linki

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:23 pm I agree with you Mac, SVS is starting to rub me the wrong way

Also who cares about info drops??? What good does it do me to withhold that information? Talking about it later like “oh yeah I saw colonel mustard in the dining hall with the candlestick” isn’t gonna help us 3 days from now

sprityo, at our old sites, Lostpedia, The Piano, Revolution, we never allowed info drops in games so this is something relatively new for those of us who played at those sites.

Sorry I used that word wrong. I hope its not confusing.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:18 pm I am gonna go back to my day one vote for now and switch it to Lunalee while I read DHs cases. It could change again.

She was quick to believe an info drop that could be interpreted in more ways than one, and she isn't really considering that aspect. I had seen her as being less aggro, but maybe not.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

I'm at a loss as to why [mention]Lunalee[/mention] has jumped to a conclusion so quickly. Especially in a game like this where you really need to look carefully at info. Luna, can you explain at all why you aren't more circumspect?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:24 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:19 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:17 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:03 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:59 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:28 pm Hey, yall!! I still have an eye on Wilgy. And the Sloonei 5 is interesting. That said, we don't know who killed LA. We all seem to be assuming it was a baddie (myself included), but we don't know that.
juliets this is why I put LoRab on my list.

I find all the "maybe mafia didn't kill Nutella" unconvincing at best, and this goes a step beyond that.
I am sympathetic to LoRab here. I see that as healthy skepticism, which is a good thing.
It's also exactly what I would expect a teammate to do. Perhaps my feelings on LoRab are better framed as "teammate-compatible," I don't feel this is a valid lynch reason on its own. But I will also take jules' opinion that this is typical for her into account.
Someone I think who knows her game better than I do is @S~V~S but I can't get this dang mention function to work with S~V~S's name. I'd really like to know her opinion on Lorab.
@S~V~S

That might do it
Haven't seen enough of her to have one. I know she has been busy irl with the Holiday, but I can reread her during the night if you like. This is a very LoRab thing to say, though. She is always looking at it from the skeptical angle.

Yes, that's the way I remember it too. Thanks for your input.

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] I want to quote a part of your long post on the 5. This is from your Quin summary:

A lot of posts are good stuff. He is hunting. I don't feel him as civ that much after his ISO though. Something about him feels... thuggish I guess. He's making cases but not commiting on them, too. I don't know, Quin is always sarcastic, but when he's a civ there is this feeling of a poor kid who is desperate because people are wanting things from him and he's super lost, so he's trying his best. Here he seems a bit more arrogant, more overconfident.

I felt this was the way Quin was in Hogwarts - confident almost to arrogance. Do you feel like he was different in that game than he is here?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:03 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:59 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:28 pm Hey, yall!! I still have an eye on Wilgy. And the Sloonei 5 is interesting. That said, we don't know who killed LA. We all seem to be assuming it was a baddie (myself included), but we don't know that.
juliets this is why I put LoRab on my list.

I find all the "maybe mafia didn't kill Nutella" unconvincing at best, and this goes a step beyond that.
I am sympathetic to LoRab here. I see that as healthy skepticism, which is a good thing.
It's also exactly what I would expect a teammate to do. Perhaps my feelings on LoRab are better framed as "teammate-compatible," I don't feel this is a valid lynch reason on its own. But I will also take jules' opinion that this is typical for her into account.

Someone I think who knows her game better than I do is @S~V~S but I can't get this dang mention function to work with S~V~S's name. I'd really like to know her opinion on Lorab.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:12 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:09 pm @DharmaHelper when I re-read Luna I couldn't see what you did when you said "something's up with Luna". Did you say that because of her G-Man post? Or was it something else that you saw?
General vibe. I'm not seeing a smoking gun yet but I'm nervous about taking her off the table completely.

Ok that makes sense to me. Thanks.

[mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] when I re-read Luna I couldn't see what you did when you said "something's up with Luna". Did you say that because of her G-Man post? Or was it something else that you saw?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:56 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:53 pm I just thought of something. Where is INH? Hasn't been here in a couple of days. I hate to even bring his name up because we are juggling so many already but I didn't like his letting someone else choose his vote last go around and since then he's not around.

Ok I keep distracting myself from reading luna so I'm going back to that.
He might be silenced.

Oh of course. I should have thought of that. He will be so mad that I brought up that he isn't around.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:03 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:59 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:28 pm Hey, yall!! I still have an eye on Wilgy. And the Sloonei 5 is interesting. That said, we don't know who killed LA. We all seem to be assuming it was a baddie (myself included), but we don't know that.
@juliets this is why I put LoRab on my list.

I find all the "maybe mafia didn't kill Nutella" unconvincing at best, and this goes a step beyond that.
I am sympathetic to LoRab here. I see that as healthy skepticism, which is a good thing.

This skepticism is very typical of her.

Also I finished re-reading Luna and still like what I'm seeing, I am reading her civ.

On to read DDL.

I just thought of something. Where is INH? Hasn't been here in a couple of days. I hate to even bring his name up because we are juggling so many already but I didn't like his letting someone else choose his vote last go around and since then he's not around.

Ok I keep distracting myself from reading luna so I'm going back to that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:40 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:06 pm Quin is the least-discussed member of the list, but he's the one I'm most intrigued by at the moment. Here's my major beefs:
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:02 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:55 pm Has anyone seen Quin? At this point I'd expect to see him angrily hissing at the people accusing him.
nobody is accusing me so i have nothing to do
This post is not meant to be taken seriously, but I don't like it anyway. Town Quin is a proactive hunter of the bad guys. This sentiment shouldn't exist to him.

Then there's his timmer vote:
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:05 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:17 pm Actually, to be more clear, Luna's vote seems fine. I was trying to reference this POST of hers: "Sorry, but that is not a god reason to vote someone. Anything Jack has done this game to make you suspect him?"

I don't like when people try to make big deals out of anyone's day 1 vote, because frankly, to me they ALL are weak votes. Why call one specific one out?
because if you want someone lynched you need to make a case on them. that is how mafia works.

[VOTE: timmer] aubergine
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:08 pm she didn't even vote for him so that is slightly embarassing but i'm still all in on the timmer vote
Roughly 24 hours later:
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:59 pm i forgot why i'm voting for timmer so its probably something stupid

someone sell me on a smart vote. do the work for me.
There's a quick flourish from Quin against timmer, but then it's completely dropped and literally forgotten as the day rolls on and better options come up. I think if this is Genuquin, he maintains at least a light grasp on his timmer vote instead of having it dissolve completely.
Sloonei, I had exactly the opposite reaction to Quin's blow off of his timmer vote. It seems like if he were bad he would have kept a grasp of it so he could change votes more smoothly. I just don't see a baddie saying "I forgot why I'm voting for x". That doesn't mean I liked his timmer vote. I'm trying hard to see the bad Quin you're seeing but not doing it very well.
I could see his admission of forgetfulness as an attempt to look casual. By playing so loose with his suspects, he looks like he has nothing to hide. Or something.

Ok I see your point.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:18 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:57 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:55 pm Infodumping sucks. I don't like it. Never have and never will. I'm not moving my vote because someone has info that may or may not be true.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:15 pm
Luna, Kyle, DDL, Quin, G-man.

One of them killed nutella.
What's your plan if we lynch one of these 5 and they're civ?

Let's say we lynch Luna today and she's good.
Day 3 we go "oh it's one out of these 4 now, those are even better odds", we lynch Kyle and he's good.
Day 4 we lynch DDL and he's good.
Day 5 we lynch Quin and he's good.
Day 6 we lynch G-Man and he's either bad (you got good info) or not (your info was incorrect, or you lied and made us waste 5 lynches)

We could waste up to 4 lynches if the info is right, 5 if it's wrong.
Nobody has suggested that we ignore the rest of the game and spam lynches into these 5. Sloonei's just giving us more cards to play with.

Feel like you're twisting this into an accusion, almost.
And infodumping is awesome. #cpi4lyfe
Agreeing a lot with speedchuck today. Unfortunately most of it is metagame stuff but hey. This is one point of agreement that isn't.

Tranq and LoRab are on my list of teammates to the scum of the Sloonei 5, assuming there is one (which I think is a solid assumption for the time being).

Ok I like some of the things you've been saying this game so I have to add this to my reasons to re-look at Tranq. I seem to have the opposite read of a number of people.

Regarding your Lorab suspicion, is it all her talk of mechanics or something else?

Both Tranq and Lorab are part of the old school I began my mafia career with (Tranq was bad with me in my first mafia game) so I don't know if I've got blinders on or my read is in a way better because I know their old school ways of playing.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:51 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:21 pm First up, my color list:

Enrique: Mostly goof posts. Not really hunting or grinding. Did that whole "Angle Shooting" thing earlier which is whatever.

Lunalee: After a fluffy, lighthearted start, Here she suspects people for jumping onto Epi's DDL "case". Jumps up Colin's ass when Colin suspects Sloonei here. Dunks on nutella's vote reasoning RE: Jack here. Has a "good reason" to vote Colin since he jumped on DDL so early. This might have been a joke on Mac's part but the response seemed a little "nervous" to me. Votes Wilgy cuz she figures Wolbre is town. Without knowing exactly where the votes were at, it could be she was covering her ass and trying to look civ AF by voting the off-wagon, but IIRC her vote pushed Wilgy further into contention with Wolbre, so looks good. Here she says she "likes to think" the Wilgy wagon is good. She was on the Wilgy wagon, and just got done talking with a few people about how there are 2 mafia teams lol. Here she advocates Occam's Razor RE: TH's flip. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 02311]Here She sticks to her guns RE: Colin, and poo-poo's the G-Man train. Here She follows that up with "reason to believe" G-Man is not guilty. Anyway, something's up with Luna. She's still a Yellow for me.

Tranq: Defends DDL then Here he defends Sloonei, wants to hear more from G-Man. When asked to give his suspects here instead he says there are people he'd rather not vote for, then tosses Doc in the mix as a possible vote. After tossing out some more names of people he trusts/won't vote, (Epignosis, Me) Tranq Defaults to Wilgy. Follows that with Another Wilgy vote today, saying he doesn't like that Wilgy popped in and then fucked off at will, and that TH might have soft-defended Wilgy. Overall, I don't like Tranq's D1 forced ignorance of the poll, and when pressed for suspects he instead offers people he won't vote for, which indicates to me he's scared to ruffle any feathers. Doc is an easy option, even if it is backed up by Doc's behavior and TH maybe defending him.

Doc: Fucked off all D1 until he was in danger, then he showed up and now he's fucked off again. He's demonstrated that he's able to play, and that he jumped into the thread at EOD when he was in danger of being lynched demonstrates to me that he's either paying attention himself or has people paying attention for him.

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I'd rank the Rainbow 4 in order of baddieness as such:

Doc
Tranq
Luna
Enrique
I know its not "I have reason to believe" or "I kissed an old forest witch on the mouth" but anybody got anything to say RE: This?

DH, I do agree with your Doc assessment. I said early in the day today he was a vote possibility for me but then there is this issue of the 5, one of which killed nutella, so I've been concentrating on them. If I just can't find another member of the 5 I want to vote for I could vote for him.

Tranq seems like the old Tranq I remember - pretty much to the point - and my thought right now is that he is not caught up with some of the new things we are doing now, for example, his stance against info dumping and outting one's role. I liked the post where he asked where we are going with this gang of 5 in that he questioned something that we've kind of accepted. I have had Tranq fool me big in the past though so I have to consider that maybe you are better at reading him.

Luna I'm going to re-read next. There is a lot going on with her so I will address your post about her after I re-read her.

Enrique - I'm not seeing a lot out of Enrique at this point. Maybe he is busy or maybe he's purposely not around. I'll take another look at him but I'm not having good feelings about him at this time. Maybe I will understand why he is your least bad rank when I look at his posts.

I just re-read Kyle's iso and I am not seeing him as bad. I liked his answer to sloonei's post and I liked that he stood for what he believed with regards to his wolbre post. I don't think I can vote for him this round.

DH I'll read your post and DDL I'll read yours now.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:01 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:45 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:59 pm I have reason to believe that nutella was killed by one of the five players I ISO’d.

Okay, thanks. I have reason to believe that G-man is not guilty.
Ok so Luna, I don't guess there is anything more about this that you can share? Also, I forgot this morning when I was posting that Sloonei knows one of the 5 killed nutella. If I change my vote I'll change it to one of the other 4.
I would rather not share more info. And yes, I'm narrowing it down to DDL, Quin, and Kylemii.

No problem, I had to ask just in case you would.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:06 pm Quin is the least-discussed member of the list, but he's the one I'm most intrigued by at the moment. Here's my major beefs:
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:02 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:55 pm Has anyone seen Quin? At this point I'd expect to see him angrily hissing at the people accusing him.
nobody is accusing me so i have nothing to do
This post is not meant to be taken seriously, but I don't like it anyway. Town Quin is a proactive hunter of the bad guys. This sentiment shouldn't exist to him.

Then there's his timmer vote:
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:05 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:17 pm Actually, to be more clear, Luna's vote seems fine. I was trying to reference this POST of hers: "Sorry, but that is not a god reason to vote someone. Anything Jack has done this game to make you suspect him?"

I don't like when people try to make big deals out of anyone's day 1 vote, because frankly, to me they ALL are weak votes. Why call one specific one out?
because if you want someone lynched you need to make a case on them. that is how mafia works.

[VOTE: timmer] aubergine
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:08 pm she didn't even vote for him so that is slightly embarassing but i'm still all in on the timmer vote
Roughly 24 hours later:
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:59 pm i forgot why i'm voting for timmer so its probably something stupid

someone sell me on a smart vote. do the work for me.
There's a quick flourish from Quin against timmer, but then it's completely dropped and literally forgotten as the day rolls on and better options come up. I think if this is Genuquin, he maintains at least a light grasp on his timmer vote instead of having it dissolve completely.

Sloonei, I had exactly the opposite reaction to Quin's blow off of his timmer vote. It seems like if he were bad he would have kept a grasp of it so he could change votes more smoothly. I just don't see a baddie saying "I forgot why I'm voting for x". That doesn't mean I liked his timmer vote. I'm trying hard to see the bad Quin you're seeing but not doing it very well.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:23 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:31 pm Onto Sloonei's ISO's:

I read the Kyle one and nothing jumped out at me as bad.
I'll read the Luna one but I've given my thoughts on Luna.

Reading the G-Man one now, I'll post this here but I'll continue to read:

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:30 pm Knowing the epic nature of Long Con & Black Rock games, the fact that the baddies kill range increases as their numbers wain shouldn’t surprise me, but oof. Clever way to keep everyone else from getting overconfident.
Sloonei remarks that this is an odd thing to fixate on first, and I agree,
This post actually changes my mind on G-Man more than Luna’s vouching does. Why does a scum G-Man go in the thread to taunt the town with a mechanical quirk benefitting his team? Because taunting is fun, I gues, but this looks more like worldbuilding than anything.

Colin, like I said, I'm extra dumb this afternoon. What do you mean by world building?

[mention]sprityo[/mention] what about some other reads? not on sable but on others? Who are you seeing as bad? Who are you seeing as good?

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:18 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:16 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:07 pm Know it’s funny how I got my throat jumped down THE INSTANT I try to vote. Am I THAT easy of a target for mislynch?

More so how SVS quoted my smartass interaction with TH. I was thinking “wow some idiot is gonna look back at this later and assume it’s distancing or some bullshit” whenever I was reading DH’s interaction post that labeled me green
Thanks, xoxo, twice in one day I've been called names. I forgot how much I love this game, lol.

Linki, I thought we were not to discuss map interactions? And he;s calling me a crazy old lady who lives in the woods.
Oh wow. That's mean.

Oh ok it was not about SVS.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:16 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:07 pm Know it’s funny how I got my throat jumped down THE INSTANT I try to vote. Am I THAT easy of a target for mislynch?

More so how SVS quoted my smartass interaction with TH. I was thinking “wow some idiot is gonna look back at this later and assume it’s distancing or some bullshit” whenever I was reading DH’s interaction post that labeled me green
Thanks, xoxo, twice in one day I've been called names. I forgot how much I love this game, lol.

Linki, I thought we were not to discuss map interactions? And he;s calling me a crazy old lady who lives in the woods.

Oh wow. That's mean.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:01 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:04 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:13 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:03 am [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

A hunch, i want to pursue later.
So as of right now I am the only person spirityo has accused the entire game. I don't even see a vote from them in the first lynch poll. They haven't even really shared any thoughts on anyone yet. I'm all for speculating about gameplay and roles and everything because I also do that but usually by this point in the game some of the speculation is regarding players and reads on players. Just find that interesting.

re is a lot to follow and I get busy with work and things. I've been keeping up best I can though at least with reading everything.
sabie, I have seen the same as you out of sprityo and was looking at him yesterday for his lack of relevant participation.

@sprityo I really need to see some reads with reasons from you today, and I agree with S~V~S, why not tell us what you see about sabie12 now. You feel strongly enough to vote for her so that tells me you have defined something about her play that is problematic.
It’s less about play and more about information I’ve received

Would you trust a crazy old woman living in the woods Juliet’s?

ok, so you've received info about sabie. Is that information something you can share? I don''t understand your question about trusting a crazy old woman living in the woods, could you explain further? Also, what are some other reads you have that might be based on play? I'm trying to see how and what you're thinking to assess whether I think you're town or not.

linki

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:25 pm Quin is an interesting second choice for me. I’ve only played one full game where he was bad (Mad Max), but he played the part brilliantly. I would expect him to be a tough but to crack. In this game he’s done all the usual Quin things, but there’s not much else behind that. He’s only done the usual Quin things. I didn’t get the sense there were a lot of unique or provocative reads in his ISO.

Sloonei, could you expound on this a little? You say he's only done usual Quin things. What kind of unique things would you expect a town Quin to do and why? Have you maybe seen something in past games where he's been good where he's done something unusual for him? I've tried to think this through but I'm not getting anywhere.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:59 pm I have reason to believe that nutella was killed by one of the five players I ISO’d.

Okay, thanks. I have reason to believe that G-man is not guilty.

Ok so Luna, I don't guess there is anything more about this that you can share? Also, I forgot this morning when I was posting that Sloonei knows one of the 5 killed nutella. If I change my vote I'll change it to one of the other 4.

Ok, I am going to work now and then p/t. Should be back around 3 - 3:30.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:18 am Has Lorab done anything that was not discuss game mechanics?

I feel like I've mislynched her for that before but I can't help but ask.

She has mostly discussed mechanics but my memory is she does that a lot. Also, I think she's been pretty busy as she is a rabbi and Hannukah just ended Monday night. I would like to see some reads from her at this point though. [mention]LoRab[/mention] can you give us some reads? Also I would ask @S~V~S what she sees in Lorab because I remember she reads Lorab pretty well.

(The mention function does not seem to work with S~V~S)

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:52 pm Kangaroo court is in session- the honorable EOD CFD is presiding. Yikes! What a mess that D1 lynch turned into.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:49 pm
G-Man, you said you suspected me after reading me - why? I would like specifics and not something general. Whatever your reasons were are they still present currently? And why didn't you try to address me on whatever issues you found? And the vote - Sloonei has asked these questions but I will ask them again - why did you say you were voting me and then vote for Sloonei? What happened there? Why didn't you share your thinking and if you couldn't before the vote why haven't you shared it since?
Of the five people I ISO’d Day 1, your’s seemed most plausible to be manufactured. Having read through the thread in full, I can still see it that way but I’m casting a wider net now and going back to ISO everyone.

My intent was to make an imperfect vote for you Day 1 but then I saw Sloonei taking the notion way too far. I wish I had been able to look through more ISOs for blenders but I ran out of time. Sloonei got my vote because he went from pushy to accommodating to cordial to panicky to desperate all in one day. That’s exhausting to read through and it looked lame in the moment.

I didn’t want to start a bona fide train on you. I just wanted to find a place to dump a Day 1 vote based on partial reads and imperfect understanding. Voting for you after Sloonei would have made you a train. I think my vote for Sloonei tied him with Wilgy at the time, which added to the cheeky fun of voting without posting.

Why aren’t I sharing more often? Because I’m tired most of the time, busy at home, stressed out at work, and fighting like heck to deny the impulse to let this game take over my life. I also don’t like answering lots of little questions in this sea of yip-yip-yip. I’m going to move forward because I choose not to explain the past too much. It slows me down too much. I remember pissing off MP a few times doing this sort of thing.

Onward.

G, I guess I don't understand what you mean by my posts seemed "manufactured". And I don't understand what you're using as a baseline from which to judge they are "manufactured". I'm not going to harp on this though unless you come back to suspecting me for these same reasons.

I do understand what you're saying about Sloonei, his behavior struck me the same way though it seems that is normal for him. I just haven't played enough with him to have known that to be a fact.

And I feel for you re: tired most of the time, busy, stressed. I know you would probably like to be on here more often rather than dealing with the issues at work.

I will mull over what you've had to say here. If I change my vote it will likely be to wilgy or sprityo.

[mention]timmer[/mention] I apologize I must have been mistaken about your finding something about TH before the rest of us did if you don't see it in your iso. I remember there was plenty in your iso that made you seem town to me so I will take another look at it today. Now I wonder who said something about TH that I liked because they saw something before the rest of us.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:13 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:03 am [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

A hunch, i want to pursue later.
So as of right now I am the only person spirityo has accused the entire game. I don't even see a vote from them in the first lynch poll. They haven't even really shared any thoughts on anyone yet. I'm all for speculating about gameplay and roles and everything because I also do that but usually by this point in the game some of the speculation is regarding players and reads on players. Just find that interesting.

re is a lot to follow and I get busy with work and things. I've been keeping up best I can though at least with reading everything.

sabie, I have seen the same as you out of sprityo and was looking at him yesterday for his lack of relevant participation.

[mention]sprityo[/mention] I really need to see some reads with reasons from you today, and I agree with S~V~S, why not tell us what you see about sabie12 now. You feel strongly enough to vote for her so that tells me you have defined something about her play that is problematic.

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