The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:58 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:51 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:11 pm DH, I don’t inderstand why you’re so resistant to Wilgy killing. He’s obviously here farting around, because he still answers and knows we’re talking about him. He’s just taking the ole sig approach and not caring.

What you ought to be asking is why is everyone so not-resistant.

We're all bad. That's why. Get your little pencil out. Write down our names.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:11 pm DH, I don’t inderstand why you’re so resistant to Wilgy killing. He’s obviously here farting around, because he still answers and knows we’re talking about him. He’s just taking the ole sig approach and not caring.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:56 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:50 pm DH would be my next suspect after Wilgy.

How so?

Well for one you came in today by framing last night's kill as a vehicle for discussion in such a way that you are excluded from suspicion.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:50 pm DH would be my next suspect after Wilgy.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:47 pm I am feeling more than 60% confident about wilgy.

Do you have any more substantial reasons not to suspect him, DH?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:36 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:33 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:28 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:16 pm In answer to DH's probing, I think wilgy is the most likely member of the former Cerberus tribe to have killed sprityo, and there isn't really a close second.

I'm sure this has nothing to do with your already documented desire to lynch Doc.

If we're just gonna go "Hey lets lynch X and not talk about anything or anyone else" for like...the rest of the game... IDK.

My predetermined preference to lynch wilgy has to do with the 7 days I spent in the Cerberus thread with wilgy and the rest of us newcomers in which i came to feel good about all of them to varying degrees. I can't help it if the three players I have the most reason to read as town all came to this tribe.

Why can't it be wilgy?

It could be I just don't think it is.

How confident are you about this?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:11 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:56 pm Sloonei, besides Marmot and DrWilgy, who've been brought up here, were there any major suspects from your original tribe? I'm sorry if you already answered this elsewhere here.

Niju is player I was growing weary of. She was given a pass for a while because she was the first player nightkilled in the game, but that's clearly something that should be discarded at this point. I had a few substantial reasons for suspecting her that can't really be fleshed out here, and it's been a while since I looked at the other thread anyway.

LoRab was our "low-hanging fruit" option and for most of the game people have been trying to push a case against her, myself included, but I eventually dropped it myself. I don't know how others feel/felt about her.

Boomslang is a big shrug. Of all the players in this game, I think he's the one I am least familiar with. He didn't do anything to stand out as a civilian, but I couldn't find much that was explicitly suspicious about him either.

It was difficult to develop strong reads in our tribe because, until the very last day, we never lynched anybody and the players who were being killed were generally our town reads, the exceptions being sig and INH. we were just coming out of our pseudo-Day 1 phase when the button was pushed.

And you think a thread that couldn't lynch a single person over 8 days will be able to lynch Chuck?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:28 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:16 pm In answer to DH's probing, I think wilgy is the most likely member of the former Cerberus tribe to have killed sprityo, and there isn't really a close second.

I'm sure this has nothing to do with your already documented desire to lynch Doc.

If we're just gonna go "Hey lets lynch X and not talk about anything or anyone else" for like...the rest of the game... IDK.

My predetermined preference to lynch wilgy has to do with the 7 days I spent in the Cerberus thread with wilgy and the rest of us newcomers in which i came to feel good about all of them to varying degrees. I can't help it if the three players I have the most reason to read as town all came to this tribe.

Why can't it be wilgy?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:29 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:26 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:03 pm I wonder if the other tribe will be able to find two votes to rub together in order to lynch speedchuck.

I'm almost 100% certain Speedchuck will not be lynched.

On what grounds?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:03 pm I wonder if the other tribe will be able to find two votes to rub together in order to lynch speedchuck.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:16 pm In answer to DH's probing, I think wilgy is the most likely member of the former Cerberus tribe to have killed sprityo, and there isn't really a close second.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:10 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:09 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:08 pm my new role blows because we have no infodumping

ugh. why do i get stuck with a bastard role

A bastard role?

As in a fucking evil bastard role?

you'd be doing a favor by killing me, im not help at all unless i KNOW who mafia is

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:01 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:14 pm Top Five List of Things People Think Matter In Mafia But Actually They Dont

5. Rainbow Lists
4. Meta
3. Adverbs
2. Rainbow Lists Again
1. Rainbow Lists a Third Time.

Look I don't care if you agree with me. Last time I felt this way about Wilgy was in Mountain Mafia I believe, I couldn't get over the fact that Wilgy was playing so straightforward and... normal, really contributing a lot. I commented on it and everyone talked me out of, saying either "he's just being Wilgy" or saying "he's really contributing." So I backed off. And guess what his alignment was. Upon looking back he did the same thing as Tim Whatley in Seinfeld where he was also bad.

I don't usually depend so strongly on a meta, but I think dismissing them entirely as not mattering at all is foolish. And I refuse to be talked out of it this time. Until I feel there is a damn good reason to believe otherwise, I remain very convinced of his alignment in this game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:00 pm Paranoia is unnecessary and maybe even irresponsible right now. I know the tribal configuration are to be treated as more or less random, but we can assume that they're relatively balanced in terms of alignment distribution, or they were at the time of button-pushing.
We just eliminated two baddies on our first day together. Odds are this tribe is currently comprised predominantly of civilians. If there was ever a time to be calm and collected in a mafia game, it's now.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:57 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:54 pm So Epi spends a shitload of time game theorying shit on the Other Tribe that doesn't affect us at all but won't spend two minutes doing the same over here.

Yeah you guys are right Epi isn't susp. at all.

I speculated on a Night 1 nijuukyugou kill, which I feel qualified to speculate on for a few reasons. It was a kill that, to my mind, didn't make much sense.

Killing sprityo at this stage (Night 8) makes sense to me.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:51 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:43 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:40 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:39 pm A role like Cecil's isn't a very powerful one though- not in the sense that it can protect civilians or block you or sic poison monkeys on you.

OK.

Who from Cerberus do you think would nightkill an outted gossip role? Not counting Doc

The value in killing him is in the removal of a "confirmed" (I use that term loosely) civilian voice. Nobody was ever going to lynch sprityo, so it doesn't surprise me to see him killed eventually, but not early. That's all I mean.

I think anybody would kill sprityo. It's just good strategy at this stage.

Mkay. So...

Why do you think it took ~8 days to do the deed? Cerberus guys get here, and Sprityo gets popped. You're not willing to engage in a bit of kill theory here?

I just did. I'm sorry if you didn't like my conclusion.

"Kill theory" =/= "Agreeing with DH's theory"

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:51 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:46 pm It took like 6 nights for anyone from this tribe to be nightkilled.

And you lot turn up and we start dying straight off.

SVS died before we got here

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:46 pm It took like 6 nights for anyone from this tribe to be nightkilled.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:44 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:37 pm Cecil survives ~8 or 9 days after I outted him in the thread with our original Pikachu tribe mates and the Night that the new guys get here and find out he's a gossiper role, he dies? Uh-huh

One of the Cerb people killed Cecil. Probably not Doc since he doesn't give a wet fart about the game it looks like

I see no reason to dismiss wilgy on these grounds.

In vocaroo II he was bad and essentially made no posts in the thread, but was apparently active in BTSC the whole game. A public appearance of not caring does not mean wilgy doesn't care.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:43 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:40 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:39 pm A role like Cecil's isn't a very powerful one though- not in the sense that it can protect civilians or block you or sic poison monkeys on you.

OK.

Who from Cerberus do you think would nightkill an outted gossip role? Not counting Doc

The value in killing him is in the removal of a "confirmed" (I use that term loosely) civilian voice. Nobody was ever going to lynch sprityo, so it doesn't surprise me to see him killed eventually, but not early. That's all I mean.

I think anybody would kill sprityo. It's just good strategy at this stage.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:39 pm A role like Cecil's isn't a very powerful one though- not in the sense that it can protect civilians or block you or sic poison monkeys on you.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:18 pm This is speedchuck’s D1 rainbow. Posting for posterity.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:22 pm speedchuck
Long Con
sprityo
S~V~S
Quin
Epignosis
nutella
Dragon D Luffy
Dharmahelper
colonialbob
dom

Readlist

I would expect if Speedchuck had a teammate on this tribe (which isn’t definite), the teammate(s) would lie somewhere in the middle-low range. Not too high, not too low. Epi certainly fits that bill, but so does DDL and DH

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:14 pm I still don't believe speedchuck was bad in his first incarnation.

Well then, there is that possibility.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:06 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:57 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:54 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:07 pm Where the fuck am I?!?

0.o

WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE!

Thanks for your single contribution to the day, good doctor.

See, this is the kind of stuff we’ve been getting from Wilgy most the game.. I say most because it started off with very direct dialogue and purpose. But it’s been even sillier and ramped up since SpaceDaisy alluded to bad Wilgy harboring a more straight-forward serious approach. Is this civ play?

Fuck it, it's Day 8, in a GOC game. If people are gonna do that kind of stuff I'd honestly prefer lynching them

Do it. I ain't got time for this shit.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:21 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:12 pm There are still multiple people over there who have seen speedchuck's flip and hopefully they've not all forgotten about it.

It’s probably easier to believe someone’s info when you can read the thread verbatim and make out those eccentricities.

Plus speedchucks’s team member(s) probably wouldn’t have piled on him.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:30 pm I suppose it helps me that I already had two town reads before I showed up. Sprityo is the only player here I don't have a read of.

the town likes to assume im cecil based off a pure chance comparison DH made (which i quoted for you earlier) but of course infodumping is not allowed and so it's realistically up to you guys to believe if it's true

a member of STREXCORP.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:03 pm sorry what's the deal with speedchuck?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:54 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:07 pm Where the fuck am I?!?

0.o

WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE!

Thanks for your single contribution to the day, good doctor.

See, this is the kind of stuff we’ve been getting from Wilgy most the game.. I say most because it started off with very direct dialogue and purpose. But it’s been even sillier and ramped up since SpaceDaisy alluded to bad Wilgy harboring a more straight-forward serious approach. Is this civ play?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:00 pm I'm just not seeing the Epi/chuck connection. I was just Epi's scum partner in Fellowship of the Ring a month ago. He didn't go out of his way to smear me, but he also didn't make protecting me a great big issue, and he certainly wouldn't have done something to draw a clear line between the two of us on Day 1. That's not a thing Epignosis does, and if that is the crux of the case against him, I'm not buying it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:58 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:41 pm See Epi's a smart enough player to know that the more he engages me the more I'll have to use against him and the more he posts those gifs the less likely he is to dig himself a bigger hole.


That is to say, a bigger hole than openly defending his mafia teammate and working with his mafia teammate to vote for a guy they both thought was civ.

Caught Day 2 and yall lasted this long its actually not bad.

I've used three images to how many posts do I have let's see

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:53 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:43 pm Remarkable how few people see how great I am at mafia. If you'd just do what I tell you to do we'd have a much easier time of winning the game. I caught speedchuck with his pants down *day 1*, people. Nutella like Day 2 or 3 or something.

What're we doing here, playing mafia or playing footsie-fuck-around?

Oh jeez, whoops I seem to have dropped something. How embarrassing, let's see what it is:

Spoiler: show

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:06 pm Ugh I hate this lynch I think speed and ddl both look mostly civ. I trust speed more though so I guess I'll vote for DDL, speed's points against him in the iso post and LC's point about the slip are decent and I think at this point I'd rather vote with speedchuck than throwaway vote outside the two contenders. Looks like shit if speed turns out to be bad, but I don't think he is so I'm taking the gamble here. Not feeling great about it though.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

Yes hello waiter I'll have the CYA special with a side of all my bases covered