The Syndicate

Good job, BDH and Eloh!

I knew Epi was bad once he put me on the two person lynch poll. I decided to point in his direction as my dying act. And I was right about Epi and Timmer being teammates, I just got the wrong team.

insertnamehere wrote:
DFaraday wrote:Not that it matters at this point. Still, I die a hero.

HOT TAKE:

That movie adaptation of Les Miserable was actually pretty good, and didn't deserve the flack it got from hardcore Hugo fans.

Yeah, it was good. I even think Russell Crowe was passable.

Not that it matters at this point. Still, I die a hero.

For anyone who cares, I'm thinking Timmer and Epi are the cops, which would leave Elo as Pierre. If the game doesn't end this phase, that might be relevant. Yin/Yang can't be stopped though, so I think this is it. Good job BDH. You are a scholar and a gentleman.

And Epi is totally bad. Whichever team he isn't on, make sure you kill him next.

I guess that's it then. I believe the last civ besides BDH is BWT. Maybe you two can pull off a miracle.

I don't know what's up with the video, but it's the Temptations.

BDH, I promise you, I am one of the last remaining civs, and it seems you are as well. I don't know what Russ is, but I strongly believe he is Yin/Yang. If we lose this lynch the game is basically over for us. I'm imploring you, you can't vote me today. We will lose. Please trust me this one time.

Like the Temptations, I ain't too proud to beg.

And I just realized that with Shawn dead, Yin and Yang's kills can't be stopped.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
BigDamnHero wrote:I need to review the case Russ2 has made against timmer because I feel if timmer is bad, then Russ needs to be spared and DF gets today's vote...
Except that Timmer voted for me.
Canny move on his part.
You really think it's more likely that the last baddie would sacrifice their only teammate when there's still an intact serial killer duo in play?

If I had to guess right now, I'd say the alignments are something like this:

INH and Russ = Yin/Yang. They've been getting along rather well, given that Russ claimed to suspect him earlier, after the fact:

Russtifinko wrote: All that is far from a defense of INH. I actually would have preferred lynching INH over Sokoth today, and maybe I should have said so sooner. However, I realize that my judgement on INH may be skewed this game since he's been after me since I replaced in this role, so I held off.
Russ doesn't really pursue this after bringing it up though, which leads me to believe he wanted to establish mild suspicion of INH without committing to going after him, since Timmer had conveniently been acting shifty enough to warrant his attention.

Timmer + ? = Baddies. Timmer's early defense of Dom and criticizing INH's vote on MM makes me think Timmer is one of the crooked cops.

Everyone else is a question mark, but BDH is reading the most strongly civ to me.
Yeah, I could see a connection between Russ and INH there. If that's the only direct thing that Russ has said about INH, then it definitely looks like a soft defense.

Not sure about the bolded part. I think it's more likely that Timmer and INH are the 2 remaining Crooked Cops. Although GTH, I'd pick Timmer as more likely than INH.

Unless you think INH's recent flippant attitude is due to the fact that you think he's part of the unlynchable Yin/Yang duo.

I think his play all game has suggested Yin/Yang. His outspokenness, his repeated attempts to draw Yin/Yang attention onto someone else, the fact that a player as brash as he hasn't been killed (although to be fair, the baddies are doing a terrible job at that).

In addition, INH correctly pointed out that he did go after Russ 2.0 earlier in the game. However, the entirety of that attack was in 2 posts on Day 4, both of which also included INH saying he'd rather vote Sig:

insertnamehere wrote:Now that I'm released from captivity due to the jailor's death, I have some thoughts about all that transpired yesterday.

Hindsight is 20/20, and I could BS everyone and say that if I was able to post and vote, I obviously would have seen through the case on Scotty and the resulting bandwagon. But, to be honest, I probably would have just joined it myself.

Anywho, here we are, Night 3, with Scotty's blood on our hands. Catching up on the thread gave me 2 real suspects for the upcoming future.

1 - Russtifinko 2.0

Strike 1: Coming back from the dead to enthusiastically and passionately lynch a civilian. Strike 2: His whole kerfuffle with Epi and general blame gamemanship. He also suspected Matt of being Scotty's teammate, but now is just barrelling against him, due to his Scotty vote. Strike 3: Him backtracking on his 1.0 opinions as noted by Scotty:

Scotty wrote:May I direct you to your Russell 1.0 Day 2 post:
Russ'el and Flo wrote:This is a really compelling case. I agree with you and Sokoth that the Dom suspicion seems to have a lot of traction given how little substance it has, and I also think Scotty's not reading his role card is not suspicious, but you do a good job of showing that his behavior since is.

My only reservation right now is that I'm not sold on it being a save, because I still don't think that's the optimal play. However, as sig pointed out, opinions are divided on that stance, so it's entirely possible the baddie team disagrees with me on that and did try to save.
You seem pretty "sold" that it was a save now, in your new skin. Right out of the gate.
2 - sig

Sig, sig, sig. None of his posts have been inspiring in the least bit as far as my opinion of his alignment. His constant NO U's, his constant overhyping of himself, (e.g. "If you wanna lynch me go ahead." "If the baddies wanna kill me, I'd like to see them try") and his posts about Yin/Yang, (i.e. saying that they're not baddies and casting shade on anyone who talks about them too much) seem less like Shawn and more like somebody else.

Maybe a serial killer someone else.

The question is now, how do you solve a problem like sig? Lynches ostensibly don't work, and I'd be shocked if the cops haven't tried to NK him.

I may risk being apropos of nothing, but I'd honestly like people to consider trying to lynch him. He claims to be utterly invulnerable to any attack, but that just seems impossible as per the rules. Most likely, he's used an item or two over the course of the game so far. Hopefully, he used one that stopped his lynch during Day 1.

But that's a big assumption to make, and I don't want to make an ass out of you and me. At the same time, I think there's a very high chance he's a baddie, and I'm not gonna sit on my hands and hope that the other mafia team takes him out. I want to be somewhat proactive.

insertnamehere wrote:My top two candidates for lynchin' are Russtifinko and sig.

I still suspect Russti for reasons that I already outlined:

insertnamehere wrote:Strike 1: Coming back from the dead to enthusiastically and passionately lynch a civilian. Strike 2: His whole kerfuffle with Epi and general blame gamemanship. He also suspected Matt of being Scotty's teammate, but now is just barrelling against him, due to his Scotty vote. Strike 3: Him backtracking on his 1.0 opinions as noted by Scotty:

Scotty wrote:May I direct you to your Russell 1.0 Day 2 post:
Russ'el and Flo wrote:This is a really compelling case. I agree with you and Sokoth that the Dom suspicion seems to have a lot of traction given how little substance it has, and I also think Scotty's not reading his role card is not suspicious, but you do a good job of showing that his behavior since is.

My only reservation right now is that I'm not sold on it being a save, because I still don't think that's the optimal play. However, as sig pointed out, opinions are divided on that stance, so it's entirely possible the baddie team disagrees with me on that and did try to save.
You seem pretty "sold" that it was a save now, in your new skin. Right out of the gate.
Plus, Matt's ultimate alignment reveal does him no favors. It seemed like a nice tidy little bandwagon was getting started towards him, and Russ jumped right on it.

Fast forward to today, and he's one of the people going after Wilgy's logic. Nothing I've seen from Wilgy has pinged me necessarily, and the number of pitchforks sharpening for him is something that I find disconcerting.

It seems like after the Scotty bandwagon rolled into the station, and the Matt one was derailed, people are piling onto the Wilgy Caboose.

As far as sig goes, I still think he's a Yin/Yang, and it's worth lynching him. But, it seems next to no one is willing to back me up on this one. Even Quin, who agrees with me on his alignment, is shaking in his boots with regards to actually casting a vote for him.

Here's how I'm going to go: If there is anybody else willing to go with me to seize our own destinies and try to lynch sig once and for all, that's who I'm voting for.

Otherwise, my vote belongs to Russti.

Indeed, he did vote Sig, and completely abandoned his Russ suspicion from that point forward. This suggests to me that the Russ suspicion was a ruse which INH never wanted to follow up on. I believe INH is Yang, accounting for his devil-may-care attitude, and that Russ is Yin, hence INH mentioning him as a suspect but not actually pushing for his lynch, or indeed even voting him.

If I'm correct, then lynching Russ will get us the correct SK (although failing to lynch Yang wouldn't be that bad either, all things considered).

I had to work.

timmer wrote:DF, by your rationale then, there is a big chance a Russ lynch won't work, right? Or do you think that INH is Yang and Russ is Yin?

Sure, it's possible, but if nothing happens then we'd know which one he is, and the baddies could take him out. And we wouldn't have lost a civvie, which is crucial at this point.

insertnamehere wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
BigDamnHero wrote:I need to review the case Russ2 has made against timmer because I feel if timmer is bad, then Russ needs to be spared and DF gets today's vote...
Except that Timmer voted for me.
Canny move on his part.

You really think it's more likely that the last baddie would sacrifice their only teammate when there's still an intact serial killer duo in play?

If I had to guess right now, I'd say the alignments are something like this:

INH and Russ = Yin/Yang. They've been getting along rather well, given that Russ claimed to suspect him earlier, after the fact:

Russtifinko wrote: All that is far from a defense of INH. I actually would have preferred lynching INH over Sokoth today, and maybe I should have said so sooner. However, I realize that my judgement on INH may be skewed this game since he's been after me since I replaced in this role, so I held off.

Russ doesn't really pursue this after bringing it up though, which leads me to believe he wanted to establish mild suspicion of INH without committing to going after him, since Timmer had conveniently been acting shifty enough to warrant his attention.

Timmer + ? = Baddies. Timmer's early defense of Dom and criticizing INH's vote on MM makes me think Timmer is one of the crooked cops.

Everyone else is a question mark, but BDH is reading the most strongly civ to me.

I've been going over Russ' posts and it appears he never mentioned MM at all while MM was alive, which is pretty unhelpful to me.

BigDamnHero wrote:I need to review the case Russ2 has made against timmer because I feel if timmer is bad, then Russ needs to be spared and DF gets today's vote...

Except that Timmer voted for me.

Obviously voting Russ, though it would seriously suck if we're both civvies. By my count, there's only three of us left.

Anyway, my case for why you shouldn't vote for me:

I voted for MM, a confirmed baddie, when the lynch was far from decided.
That's all I've got.

I'll look over Russ in the morning to see whether there's actually anything shady about him.

I'm sorry, Scotty.

I don't see the case on Eloh, and that it came out of nowhere makes me think it's a save attempt. Voting Scotty.

Scotty wrote:Just look at those votes pile up.

Eerily reminiscent of early game, ain't it?

No one finds that suspicious that I'm having no resistance, once again? Timmer got resistance.

I mean, you can't all be bad, but apparently you can be lazy.

I'm done putting up a resistance. Once again, I'm trying too hard in the game and it's making me irritable. Next time I replace in, I'm just gonna pop in every now and then and say "hey, I agree with the majority, that person is bad". Sounds like a winning strategy.

No, I'm not gonna talk to the mods. I've got it out in my past life and over the past day. It's just a game, I know, but it just sucks. Someone just tell me who to vote, I'm over making cases right now, it's just not worth it.

Scotty, given that there are only two Mafia left, I doubt your teammate (if you're Mafia) would risk trying to defend you right now. They're either Russ or throwing you under the bus.

And I'm still considering where to vote, but you didn't make any attempt to explain your change of stance regarding Russ, which was a big part of the case Epi made. If you have something to say about that, I'll take it into account.

Looking back, I actually can't find where I got that Yin Yang idea from. I'll keep looking in a bit.

Epi, I do think that Rabbit/Scotty could certainly be Mafia, and that Rabbit's lack of participation could be why they missed the kill. Sokoth just stood out more because he had been posting on Day 2, when there was a kill, whereas Rabbit had seemed consistently absent throughout.

Voting Sokoth as well.

I find Epi's analysis of Sokoth to be compelling, and I agree that it reads like Sokoth was specifically concerned with defending Dom. I still believe that Sokoth's absence throughout Day/Night 3 could have meant that he was unable to fulfill whatever requirements he needed to kill (or if he could fulfill it, just wasn't around, so I'm leaning his way right now.

BDH, pretty sure Quin is a guy. He just has a confusing avi.

I'm voting MM. I don't like how he voted Sig without a stated reason, especially considering that the most likely options are a wasted lynch or a big civ loss.

Sig could also be Shawn, so I'm really not liking that INH and MM are so blithe about voting him. The most likely options to a Sig lynch I see are A) He's Yang and nothing happens again, or B) He's Shawn and we just lost a major civvie.

BigDamnHero wrote:Just a quick aside...why r there blue numbers at the bottom of Quinn's & INH'S posts?

It's probably a posting curse. I've seen that kind of thing a few times before, where they have to get a set number of posts in and number them.

Looking over our Klingon's posts, this is all he posted during Day 3:

SokothQultuq wrote:Hey, I want to apologize for my absence. I may be unable to post for a day or two. I've got some things going on here. I do apologize family comes first.

I don't like merging real life and Mafia, but I can't help but wonder whether Sokoth's absence on Day 3 was related to the fact that the Mafia didn't kill that night. He was around for the first two Days about the same amount, and I didn't notice anything notably different in style or substance in his posts.

I feel like it is probably a post count or something like that. I don't see our hosts setting Herculean tasks for the Mafia to be able to use their kill. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever seen a game where the Mafia had to meet specific criteria every time they want to kill.

This night may end up being longer than the Eternal Night from the Office Mafia.

LoRab wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
BigDamnHero wrote:
DrWilgy wrote: Wait. I can understand reading him as baddie, but how is Scotty saving himself not civ minded? A civ only knows thier own alignment. If I had the choice of me or an unknown I'd take the unknown in a heartbeat. At least that way there's a cance there's a mafia lynch.
Follow the logic here...Scotty read as bad (which you just said you could understand) and so we voted to lynch him. That lynch resulted in Scotty, presumably the baddie, switching the lynch to save himself and throwing a civ player under the bus. Under those sets of circumstances, it was easy for the narrative to continue being written that it was a baddie trying to save himself, hence why a 2nd lynch attempt was made.
This is the exact problem though. Lynching a mafia member isn't easy. There is a faction working against that outcome.

Why did everyone go with the easy option. When the easiest option is always to lynch a civ?

@Lorab, since when do mafia members vote each other all the time?
Since I've been playing mafia. In case where there is a clear majority, mafia throw each other under the bus or vote for the clear winner all the time.

To be fair, usually the baddies at least try to make a case on someone else if a teammate is under suspicion. Everyone pretty much jumped on the Scotty train without a moment's notice.

RIP Scotty.

I'm going to go ahead and *vote Matt*. I didn't like his post which simultaneously said he knew what was going on, but also didn't. Also, I'm not so sure there's not a connection between Matt being arrested and there being no kill on Night 1.

Scotty wrote: MM, because I wasn't satisfied with Dom's posts early on, and MM is doing nothing to make me feel better about that role.

Why do you suspect him again? I never noticed anything suspicious from Dom.

BigDamnHero wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I'm really not sold on the Scotty case, so I'd like to discuss other things. For instance:

What does everyone think of those hack Yin Yangs that killed original me?
Well...they suck...and could be just about anyone (though one theory is sig is one of them due to the D1 results). Did you have anything more specific you wanted to discuss about them or did you just want to draw attention away from Scotty? Cuz if you had any insight into who you & yang could be, I'm sure we'd ALL like to hear it...otherwise, speculation on their identities would be pretty fruitless.

I agree with whoever speculated that they have been fairly active players, and that's why they targeted someone who couldn't be traced back to them. I think it's quite plausible that Sig is one of them, but if so, we can't do anything about him for the time being.

I'm really not sold on the Scotty case, so I'd like to discuss other things. For instance:

What does everyone think of those hack Yin Yangs that killed original me?

TheKlingonTribbleAlliance wrote: I'm going to take some time to consider the previous nights events and posts carefully there was a lot of interesting things happening.

Secret things, since I don't see a power that would explain Russ' death.

TheBigRedMachine, aka Dean McCain wrote:
TheExcellenceOfExecution wrote:
TheAyatollahofRocknRollah wrote:Effective immediately, DFaraday 2.0 is replacing nijuukyugou.
You hear about DF? That's messed up.
Welcome!

Thank you, kind sir.

Hernia Ted wrote:
Dfaraday's #1 fan maybe, idk, who is this guy? wrote:
TheAyatollahofRocknRollah wrote:Effective immediately, DFaraday 2.0 is replacing nijuukyugou.
You hear about DF? That's messed up.
No, I hadn't heard. What happened? I'm Turnip Head btw.

He died.

TheAyatollahofRocknRollah wrote:Effective immediately, DFaraday 2.0 is replacing nijuukyugou.

You hear about DF? That's messed up.

I think all of the points Timmer made were valid, but the fact that Scotty acknowledged it as a good case but didn't try to defend against it seals it for me. *Votes Scotty*

sig wrote:For little to no reason, but I could see you not having anything to do with this. MAtt on the other hand is no doubt mafia for that last minute switching to attempt and save scotty.

It is silly to vote off scotty but you'll vote for me for switching away from scotty since I thought it was also not smart to vote for him. So instead you'll lynch, this makes no sense what so ever you're a baddie.

I feel confident about my chances to live. If I do die, make sure to lynch Matt and then Scotty.

If you think Matt was trying to save Scotty, wouldn't it make more sense to lynch Scotty first?

@Scotty, I was referring to how your rolecard comments sounded like an attempt at avoiding responsibility in the early going. But now that you've been around contributing, I'm feeling better about you.

I'm voting Scotty, since he never addressed the points leveled at him, and I don't have any other suspicions at this point.

I'm not even going to try the challenge. Sig's posts just felt like standard wacky Sig theories, and Eloh's response felt genuine as well (not that there was a case on her to begin with). I feel pretty good about them right now. What pings me a bit is that Scotty allegedly posted several times before looking at his rolecard. It felt like he wanted to give off the impression of being totally blind by drawing attention to that.

I went with pork tarts, because those actually don't sound too bad, if the right fruit was used in the tarts. Maybe a pineapple or peach.

This game is going to be great! All of those options sound amazing/revolting, so I'll have to mull it over.

Host: Does anyone have info on this poll?

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