The Syndicate

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:06 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:23 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:16 pm I think that Sabie would be a poor choice for the lynch. For multiple reasons
State these reasons.
This so-called Sprityo scumslip. I have reasons, provided by my contact, who has joined in the crowd to condemn me, to doubt that the truth is being told. Look into Sprityo's possible ulterior motives.

I highly doubt Sprityo is lying about the crazy old woman and her message. The way the info was shared in multiple ways, makes me trust that it was very likely real. That said, whether what the crazy old woman said was fully or at all true or not remains to be seen. And, either way, that does not clear sprityo.

You, on the other hand, I see no reason to trust. Like, at all.

timmer wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:05 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:12 pm Can we, btw, talk about the fact that novaselinever has not shown up at all...
In this line of reasoning, I'd rather mention that sorsha has only 10 posts. My brief experience with nova is that they don't seem to actually participate much at all, but I remember Sorsha being different than this. Lorab, do you recall if sorsha had a civ or bad meta with regards to psoting frequency? My memory isn't good enough on this one.

I really don't understand signing up for a game and not playing it.

As for Sorsha, I honestly don't remember. I can't remember if I ever knew her meta, tbh. If I did, I certainly don't remember it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:13 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:02 pm
Lorab wrote: Nothing about the description of Juliet's death sounds like she was actually a baddie. I know i said I wasn't going to harp on that, but really. The title says it's a "sad night" and why would anyone be sad about losing the statue, which in the end we didn't even lose (but I assume the title was already there)--really, that is not the title for a night post where a baddie and a neutral die. Plus, the animals are all sad because they lost a beacon of goodness. Seriously--I don't see this as making sense as a baddie death. I just don't.

and I see the 2 people with the DH kill attempt as story telling. It's concievably possible that only 2 mafia are left on a team, but I don't see it as likely. We can now return to our regularly scheduled ignoring of host posts.
Mondo Garbo.
Ikr?

You are welcome to ignore the hosts' writing, but for those who do not, I wanted to share my thoughts.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:53 pm Anywho I got darknessed so my win con is gone or some shit which is basically the goofiest thing ever so I am just gonna chaos post now.

Well, I guess we know one of the secret roles. *hopes the other one isn't the hunger* Seriously, though...last time, I believe there was a way to get rid of the cursedness. And did you not get a new win con? My memory is that it was more or less a recruitment. Does anyone remember more about the role and how it worked with those infected? Not that it would necessarily be the same.

linkitis: DD was super pissed that Ikkl killed him to join evil before DD had a chance to do the same.

more linkitis: Here it is from world reborn (and I included the darkness with it, for context of that, because it was right above it):

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:32 am
Indy

The Darkness - Infects one player per night with darkness, causing them to lose their win condition. The Darkness can send one message each night to those it infects, and may choose to release a player from the darkness at any time. The Darkness will know where infected players are at all times.

If the Darkness is night-targeted, the targeting will fail as though a roleblock or protection were in play. The Darkness may enter the BTSC of any square it’s on as The Darkness. Otherwise, it is undetectable.

If an infected player is targeted by the Essence Elemental, then they are cleansed of infection. If the Darkness is targeted by the Essence Elemental, it is killed! If The Darkness infects the Essence Elemental, the Essence Elemental will be killed.

The Darkness cannot acquire Items.

The Darkness’ goal is to infect five living players with darkness, and to get them to the Shrine of Darkness on the same Day to perform a ritual. The ritual will begin the spread of darkness across the land, expanding at one square per phase. Anyone within the darkness will lose their win condition, unless the Darkness has released them.

The Darkness’ win condition is to perform the ritual and survive until the end of the game.

Yin/Yang - Has two avatars roaming the map, and his vote is worth two while both avatars are alive. If one avatar is nightkilled, the other stays alive. If Yin is nightkilled, Yang joins a baddie team, decides tied lynches. If Yang is nightkilled, Yin joins the Civvies and decides tied lynches. If lynched, it will appear that the lynch was stopped, and the player may choose if Yin or Yang will die.

Sorry for the random sabie tag. It wouldn't go away and I missed deleting one of the times it showed up as a tag.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:27 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:16 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:04 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:49 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:28 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:10 am Depending on a number of things, the actual killer might be confined to Sprityo, Speedchuck, Sig.
Are you sure you can count on that number of things?

Also aren't there two people who attacked DH?
Call me 85% sure of the things.

Yeah and they appear to be aligned so they probably didn’t both nightkill DH. Regardless, I put the second scum player almost certainly in the larger group.

Better to lynch from a 1 or 2 out of 2 person POE than a 2 out of 6 POE.
I'm leaning more towards sig on this one from what I have seen. I think sig targeted dh
I thought you thought sprityo was framing you with the old woman information?
Actually Sabie said she thinks I’m telling the truth, it’s just I’m wrong

I think I’m right, as any king of fuck mountain should be

Oh, ok. I had misunderstood something she said then.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:52 pm I know it’s tradition to pay no attention at all to host posts save flips.....

Linki: I didn’t try to kill you, you doof.

I do not hold to that tradition.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:07 pm @sabie12

You were seen with a jagged blade by @sprityo, right?

Has anyone considered you may have shared a square with a goon? Who have you been with?

Wait...really? That was like the entire last lynch. It's why many of us voted for Wilgy. did you miss that?
And a few notes on the host post:

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:02 am
A Sad Night For The Realm

"Our next target should be just up ahead," said shadowy figure #1. "I think I can see some movement through the trees." The two of them slunk forward stealthily.

"You're crazy," said the other, "That's just one of the Spirit Wrangler's pets. Fool." He turned away to continue the search.

"No!" he grabbed his partner's arm. "Look again, simpleton!" They peered out, and recognized the solemn countenance before them.

#2's jaw dropped. "It's really him? The legend..."

#1 nodded. "That's him. I guess he's too dangerous to keep around for the big plan. And yeah, we have the magicks needed to do the job."

"Killin' the spirit of a statue," mused #2. "You never really know where life is gonna take you, do ya?"

#1 nodded again. "Stick around, my friend. If this plan goes through, there'll be plenty more surprises!"

#2 said, "Nah, let's go get a drink instead."

* * * * *

juliets walked alone, clothed, as always, in an aura of kindness and care. And clothes - I mean, she had clothes as well. Not just an aura. She left everyone she met feeling better than they had before.

When she heard the angry growl from the shadowy bushes, she was not afraid. "Here boy," she held out a hand. "I won't hurt you, I'm-"

She was cut off as the creature leapt forward and kicked both feet into juliets' chest, knocking her to her back and slamming down on top of her. "You don't fool ME!" snarled the creature, slashing at juliets' throat with sharp claws.

Many cute forest creatures showed up to mourn juliets' death, for the Realm had lost a beautiful asset, a true beacon of goodness.

DharmaHelper hasn't been killed. He's the Spirit of the Living Statue, still Independent. Lock up your daughters, he's here and ready to rock and roll!

juliets has been killed. She was the Gentle Shepherd, a member of the Jagged Blade.

Day 3 has begun. I will be sending out night and movement PMs over the next couple of hours.

I think I'll lock the thread while I do that. Go relax a bit, friends.
[/[mention]sabie12[/mention]

Nothing about the description of Juliet's death sounds like she was actually a baddie. I know i said I wasn't going to harp on that, but really. The title says it's a "sad night" and why would anyone be sad about losing the statue, which in the end we didn't even lose (but I assume the title was already there)--really, that is not the title for a night post where a baddie and a neutral die. Plus, the animals are all sad because they lost a beacon of goodness. Seriously--I don't see this as making sense as a baddie death. I just don't.

and I see the 2 people with the DH kill attempt as story telling. It's concievably possible that only 2 mafia are left on a team, but I don't see it as likely. We can now return to our regularly scheduled ignoring of host posts.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:04 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:49 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:28 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:10 am Depending on a number of things, the actual killer might be confined to Sprityo, Speedchuck, Sig.
Are you sure you can count on that number of things?

Also aren't there two people who attacked DH?
Call me 85% sure of the things.

Yeah and they appear to be aligned so they probably didn’t both nightkill DH. Regardless, I put the second scum player almost certainly in the larger group.

Better to lynch from a 1 or 2 out of 2 person POE than a 2 out of 6 POE.
I'm leaning more towards sig on this one from what I have seen. I think sig targeted dh

I thought you thought sprityo was framing you with the old woman information?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:35 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:29 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:54 am I saw a few people still accusing me. I wonder is it based on any kind of actual argument or just the crazy lady who people are very much interpreting incorrectly. Also just want to know if that info came from the hosts then how was it able to be shared in the thread as a direct quote? Isn't that not allowed? If people think I'm bad because I voted wilgy I made an argument for why I thought he was bad. I also wasnt the only one who believed he was bad. As a civ you go off what you think is baddie behavior but you dont know for sure. It was an honest mistake. Unless there was some trickery going on but again that also is uncertain.
“I’m not scum and the info is wrong, but if it’s not, isn’t it against the rules to reveal it?”

Tantalizing as other lynches may be, I really don’t see myself voting for anyone but Sabie today.

[VOTE: SABIE] aubergine
No you misinderstand why I asked that. I asked if they werent supposed to directly quote the message then maybe the message wasnt actually directly quoted. As in it could have been misconstrued. Like paraphrasing things to make it sound different on purpose. If that was the wording though I still see it as meaning there was a baddie next to me. I'm just saying people are very quick to believe their interpretation of what may have been said by a mad old lady on the woods rather than put together any kind of actual argument against me.

We are not very quick to believe that interpretation--we lynched someone else based on a different interpretation yesterday. And while Wilgy could be Hollow Man, your response here pings my suspiciometer.

Instead of saying that the info from the crazy old lady could be wrong, and I'm not bad. You say that the info from the crazy lady could be wrong, and people are just believing it and not making a case.

That makes me think that you are bad.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:55 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:02 am What are the actual seats of baddies dying 2 nights in a row? In particular on nights 1 and 2? I’m so used to games where night kills aren’t revealed that I’m actually not sure.

And an alternate theory: what if the trickster is an Indy role who kills every night? Juleit’s Death doesn’t read as a baddie dying. Not to mention that we have no idea who is killling. Personally, I’m Not going to push that people aren’t who they seem, but I’m not going to personally make that assumption. And I personally believe it’s a dangerous assumption to make.

Strongly leaning towards an INH vote. Possibly sabie.
So if we're not assuming any of the night deaths are who they say we are, we've got two civ lynches. Good luck hunting after throwing out 2/3rds of the hard info we have.

As tranq just said, other than the fact that one could be the hollow man.

Good luck hunting after throwing out the mechanics of the game.

What are the actual seats of baddies dying 2 nights in a row? In particular on nights 1 and 2? I’m so used to games where night kills aren’t revealed that I’m actually not sure.

And an alternate theory: what if the trickster is an Indy role who kills every night? Juleit’s Death doesn’t read as a baddie dying. Not to mention that we have no idea who is killling. Personally, I’m Not going to push that people aren’t who they seem, but I’m not going to personally make that assumption. And I personally believe it’s a dangerous assumption to make.

Strongly leaning towards an INH vote. Possibly sabie.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:28 pm MP made up a scroll in Sword of Truth but that was years ago on the Piano. Someone else may have done it more recently.

Nope. That was exactly what I was thinking of. Thank you for having a better memory than I have!!!!

Was it in the last World game that someone blatantly made up an item? Or was that recruitment maybe? I think it was a Rock Con game....also don't remember who it was. Anyone?

Can we, btw, talk about the fact that novaselinever has not shown up at all...

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:12 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:10 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:34 pm Also not caught up all the way, but I dont want to lynch Mac, though i do think a sloonie lynch is becoming more viable.

Basically with the town leaders/high speed civs we need this strategy if they keep leading us wrong we need them gone. This is true fpr epi, mac, and sloonie. Since rhe longer they're alive and the more mislynches they led the more likely it is they're mafia
Wtf we have 30 people and I'm assuming something like 12-14 are civ, lynching 2 civs the first 2 days is always the most likely outcome.

Also I'm still reading but I don't see sloonei driving a wilgy train at all so far. Mac correctly called the wilgy lynch as Garbo, iirc Epi wasn't a fan either.
EBWOP 12-14 aren't civ

I was assuming 15 civ and 15 bad/indy/neutral. Mainly because that was how the last World game started.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:39 pm I need to know how/when/where tranq got that item, because not only does it sound contradictory, but im pretty sure it's a lie to compensate for mislynching wilgy

a half assed sounding one at that

It's pretty much exactly the same as your telling us about the old woman in the woods--except that he isn't taking the information as solid fact. At least that's how I'm reading things.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:50 am I dont know all I know is someone is messing with me and has it out for me and that little bit of map info is making people suspect me when it really does not say I'm bad. People haven't made any case against me other than here is some really vague info we choose to interpret incorrectly and we will automatically assume sabie is bad now. I am not bad so someone is trying to make me look that way to get suspicion off of themselves.

You still have not responded to what is being asked of you. You strongly implied that Wilgy was with or near you on the map or had been. Thst information is a huge reason for many of his votes. are you now denying that you implied that and that you just thought he was guilty because he was sketchy? Please answer.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:48 am Just so nobody brushes over the fact INH has scum claimed while drunk.

Twice!

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:11 am Im sorry I really thought he was bad based on his behavior and everything. If he really was that role it sounds like a super helpful role he could have utilized a lot more had he participated. Although I know there is that one that can fake a role when lynched. Also I guess I missed something on where the tranq thing came from all of a sudden. I'll have to look. Falling asleep soon I wasnt planning on staying up this late. Also if that crazy lady is right and there is a baddie near me I guess I'm probably doomed sigh. Or the info was all completely made up and skewed.

Wait...are you now saying that you weren’t pretty much telling us he was near you?

Also, there is a role that can fake a role when lynched? Which role is that exactly? I must have missed that in the descriptions.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:03 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:02 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:58 pm Either lots of people willfully abstained from the lynch, or the site is glitching for everybody. If it's the former, I disapprove once again. If it's the latter then, well, that was inconvenient.
22 votes. 27 living players. So, 5 missed votes. Is that a lot these days? I ask as a real question.
See my response to sprityo. I consider it "abstaining" if you're here and you don't vote on a viable wagon. I'm looking at Quin and Enrique primarily.

Thoroughly uninspiring result to this day, but I didn't absolutely hate a wilgy lynch.

Understood. I disagree philosophically, but I see where you are coming from

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:58 pm Either lots of people willfully abstained from the lynch, or the site is glitching for everybody. If it's the former, I disapprove once again. If it's the latter then, well, that was inconvenient.

22 votes. 27 living players. So, 5 missed votes. Is that a lot these days? I ask as a real question.

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:46 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:44 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:41 pm LC mentioned that roles don't get blocked upon death, i'm a little worried that some of today's events might have been caused by TH's corpe
How so? His role doesn’t have secrets. And that isn’t the description.
Unless someone knows that they were not near th on the map, they cannot know if their info is pure or corrupted.

Gotcha. I was understanding it differently at first, but I get what you are saying now.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:41 pm LC mentioned that roles don't get blocked upon death, i'm a little worried that some of today's events might have been caused by TH's corpe

How so? His role doesn’t have secrets. And that isn’t the description.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:37 pm can someone give me bullet points on the dr wilgy thing

Showed up right after last Lynch and defended. And later claimed he had no idea he was up footprints Lynch

Th low level defended him.

The crazy old woman info could be seen as Sabie was near someone bad, and sabie more than implied that was Wilgy.

Voting Wiley. Not a perfect vote, because wigy’s behavior can be wiggly, but it is what my gut is telling me, based on reasons cited above.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:05 am what's up my name's jared and i never learned how to read

Jared Leto?

Sorry....was rereading Kyle's posts and couldn't resist a My So Called Life reference.

That said, I'm reading Kyle as civish for the moment.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:49 pm I finally made it through Night 1. I see Wilgy has votes. Is this because there's reason to believe he's bad or is he just the default early lynch like he always is?

He showed up a minute or so after the lynch ended, and defended himself for his vote. He later claimed that he didn't even know he was up for the lynch. Which is odd, because why would he post any sort of defense if he didn't know that people were finding him suspish. The whole thing didn't sit right.

And, since, based on an interpretation of information, sabie has implicated him.

Thank you all for clarifying.

But how do we know that what she says isn't generated from a player? I mean, what if one of the secret roles is mad woods lady?

And, again, even if host based, why are we trusting that what she says is true?

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:17 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:03 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:23 pm I agree with you Mac, SVS is starting to rub me the wrong way

Also who cares about info drops??? What good does it do me to withhold that information? Talking about it later like “oh yeah I saw colonel mustard in the dining hall with the candlestick” isn’t gonna help us 3 days from now
As has been said, it's a difference in culture. Some of us come from a culture where info dumping is either explicitly not allowed in games, or is generally considered bad form. So, even when we aceept that it is part of this culture, we still don't necessarily like it.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:45 pm I see a lot of complaining that I got lucky to get information, sorry to dissapoint everyone with being different and letting you know something helpful I guess
As I asked above, do you know anything about the source of this information? Is the woman a force for good? Does her information come from hosts or from another player? Does she always tell the truth?

And why are you interpreting as necessarily being that sabie is bad, as opposed to sabie is physically adjacent to someone bad?
This woman is described as “mad” and this is what you would call an NPC, so it’s not from any other player

I don't know what NPC means.

And she's "mad"? And you just trust what she says?! That does not sound like a necessarily safe idea.

I like this line of thinking from Enrique:

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:49 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:47 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:42 pm
Trickster - Has an aura of three squares, within which any info that is given or received will be corrupted in the Trickster’s favour. When the Trickster kills, that kill can be forged. When the Trickster enters BTSC, it may be under any name.
There's also this.
You support my first theory then of trickster faking their own death?
I mean I don't think it's impossible but I'm not endorsing it here. Was the Trickster dead by the time you met that lady?

I'll be more explicit: How do you know you were talking to an old woman and not to the Trickster, appearing in a chat room as an old woman?

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:23 pm I agree with you Mac, SVS is starting to rub me the wrong way

Also who cares about info drops??? What good does it do me to withhold that information? Talking about it later like “oh yeah I saw colonel mustard in the dining hall with the candlestick” isn’t gonna help us 3 days from now

As has been said, it's a difference in culture. Some of us come from a culture where info dumping is either explicitly not allowed in games, or is generally considered bad form. So, even when we aceept that it is part of this culture, we still don't necessarily like it.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:45 pm I see a lot of complaining that I got lucky to get information, sorry to dissapoint everyone with being different and letting you know something helpful I guess

As I asked above, do you know anything about the source of this information? Is the woman a force for good? Does her information come from hosts or from another player? Does she always tell the truth?

And why are you interpreting as necessarily being that sabie is bad, as opposed to sabie is physically adjacent to someone bad?

Do we know anything about the woman in the woods? Does her information come from the hosts or from another player? Does she have good intentions or bad ones? Does she always tell the truth?

All that said, I do suspect sabie, as I said earlier. So, still tempted to vote there.

And yes, I do tend to be skeptical, lol.

And I can't really argue with suspicion based on that. But, yeah. Insert trademark LR twirl here

Heading home from work now. Will ponder on the drive. More thoughts when I get home.

Hey, yall!! I still have an eye on Wilgy. And the Sloonei 5 is interesting. That said, we don't know who killed LA. We all seem to be assuming it was a baddie (myself included), but we don't know that.

I find myself watching sprityo and sabie and wondering if they are both bad.

Sprityo's insitance that Lycantha can help us know if the trickster identity for TH is accurate assumes that Lycantha is civ. which makes me think Sprityo may be trying to manipulate things. Sabie's posts about the Trickster are mainly about confusion about the role, but also seem to add more confusion about it. I also did not like Sabie's reaction to Sprityo's vote--it was a pure switcheroo and that did not look good to me. And now that Sprityo seems to have info on Sabie, assuming we can trust the info, I am leaning towards Sabie being bad.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:18 am Has Lorab done anything that was not discuss game mechanics?

I feel like I've mislynched her for that before but I can't help but ask.

I have mentioned suspicions a few times. But yes, I have discussed mechanics because it's what I do. And yes, I've been mislynched for that in the past.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:46 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:18 am Has Lorab done anything that was not discuss game mechanics?

I feel like I've mislynched her for that before but I can't help but ask.
She has mostly discussed mechanics but my memory is she does that a lot. Also, I think she's been pretty busy as she is a rabbi and Hannukah just ended Monday night. I would like to see some reads from her at this point though. @LoRab can you give us some reads? Also I would ask @S~V~S what she sees in Lorab because I remember she reads Lorab pretty well.

(The mention function does not seem to work with S~V~S)

I have been busy, although not from Chanukkah--that's actually an easy holiday for me, since it is almost entirely home based. But I was in Texas over the weekend for a wedding, so not a whole lot of time to mafia and give thoughts. See reads above, though.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:31 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:24 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:53 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:59 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:28 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:16 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm I discuss what I personally deem interesting/important.

Point 1 being I made this role concept the trickster is based off of. And I have most definitely seen it used to make a town flip as mafia looking (@ quin)

Point 2: mechanically speaking the mafia would make the town less on guard, which would further present itself as a problem later on in the game. If the trickster is still alive and can forge roles, the mafia could fake even more kills and possibly their own deaths again.

The only true way to lie detect someone who is now dead is having a mortician or someone to confirm the dead’s identity, aka what I pointed out with lycantha

Until they find TH’s body we won’t be 100% sure that we actually was the trickster
What is the desired outcome of discussing this for civs?
Awareness, information to keep in mind

That’s all. I can’t be every player in the game so I have to make sure everyone can at least consider and dismiss or approve of information I think is relevant
It's an interesting idea sprityo, one I certainly hadn't thought of. The thing I don't understand though is can a forger forge and identity like "Trickster"? I thought they only forged alignment. I haven't played many games with forgers so maybe I'm just confused.
Sorry haven't been around much working and sleeping and then now I have a starfinder game tonight.

I was thinking about how that actually works. What does forging a kill actually mean in the context of this game? I mean I guess if the trickster can make it look like they were the one killed no one would suspect they're still out there. Also if forging means they can make whoever they kill seem whatever role and alignment they want then initially saying their own would not cause anyone to be like hey wait I'm that role they're lying or whatnot.
And also just a game mechanic question that I attempted to ask last game but I dont think anyone answered. If TH was the trickster and targeted someone would his death cancel out that kill or would they still have been killed? As in could he have killed nutella and someone killed him or is that not how that works? Sorry if that's a dumb question I just don't know.

Also this salad posting thing I've never heard before. Is it a problem to list out reads on people? I thought that was like a part of the game.
Usually powers go through upon death.

In this case, it wouldn’t make sense what you outline. Why would he name that role for LA? You seem to understand the role just fine at first, but then you are putting out confusing ideas.
I just didnt know what forge means exactly. My wording is probably not good sorry. I was merely saying if the trickster forges a kill and it says whoever they killed is a role of someone who is still alive then that person who is that role will know that was false. So it's something they could really only get away with once unless they have a team and just pretend the baddie team is being killed off when its civs.

But that person would have to put themselves to say that it wasn’t true. The trickester only makes sense as a baddie role. If we take the post for granted, we know it was part of a mafia team. But say the trickster were an Indy sk. By saying that th was the trickster and on a team, they throw everyone off.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:53 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:59 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:28 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:16 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm I discuss what I personally deem interesting/important.

Point 1 being I made this role concept the trickster is based off of. And I have most definitely seen it used to make a town flip as mafia looking (@ quin)

Point 2: mechanically speaking the mafia would make the town less on guard, which would further present itself as a problem later on in the game. If the trickster is still alive and can forge roles, the mafia could fake even more kills and possibly their own deaths again.

The only true way to lie detect someone who is now dead is having a mortician or someone to confirm the dead’s identity, aka what I pointed out with lycantha

Until they find TH’s body we won’t be 100% sure that we actually was the trickster
What is the desired outcome of discussing this for civs?
Awareness, information to keep in mind

That’s all. I can’t be every player in the game so I have to make sure everyone can at least consider and dismiss or approve of information I think is relevant
It's an interesting idea sprityo, one I certainly hadn't thought of. The thing I don't understand though is can a forger forge and identity like "Trickster"? I thought they only forged alignment. I haven't played many games with forgers so maybe I'm just confused.
Sorry haven't been around much working and sleeping and then now I have a starfinder game tonight.

I was thinking about how that actually works. What does forging a kill actually mean in the context of this game? I mean I guess if the trickster can make it look like they were the one killed no one would suspect they're still out there. Also if forging means they can make whoever they kill seem whatever role and alignment they want then initially saying their own would not cause anyone to be like hey wait I'm that role they're lying or whatnot.
And also just a game mechanic question that I attempted to ask last game but I dont think anyone answered. If TH was the trickster and targeted someone would his death cancel out that kill or would they still have been killed? As in could he have killed nutella and someone killed him or is that not how that works? Sorry if that's a dumb question I just don't know.

Also this salad posting thing I've never heard before. Is it a problem to list out reads on people? I thought that was like a part of the game.

Usually powers go through upon death.

In this case, it wouldn’t make sense what you outline. Why would he name that role for LA? You seem to understand the role just fine at first, but then you are putting out confusing ideas.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:40 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:11 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:02 pm I guess we can reference but not quote. Even still, referencing in certain ways might break the game's immersion (i. e. trying to figure out who knows the name of the mafia factions), which is called Angle Shooting, and is usually seem as bad form.

If I'm a host I'll usually post a copy of the default civ PM in the first page so that players don't try to pull that off.
I didn't see anyone quote a PM, so I was confused by LC's post.

Also, noticing something that could be seen as a slip I don't see as either angle shooting or bad form.

I'm pretty sure the definition of angle shooting is exactly what happened here. Not just looking for slips, but looking for slips related to things from outside the game thread. Comparing host PM knoiwledge, watching when a person was online to see if they sent an action, etc. The game should be limited to things that happen inside the thread.

I don’t see all those as the same at all. Different mafia culture and all. I mean, I’ll follow lc’s Rule, but I’m still going to wait for host clarification on my question. Not an explanation of concepts from another player.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:02 pm I guess we can reference but not quote. Even still, referencing in certain ways might break the game's immersion (i. e. trying to figure out who knows the name of the mafia factions), which is called Angle Shooting, and is usually seem as bad form.

If I'm a host I'll usually post a copy of the default civ PM in the first page so that players don't try to pull that off.

I didn't see anyone quote a PM, so I was confused by LC's post.

Also, noticing something that could be seen as a slip I don't see as either angle shooting or bad form.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:46 am And I don’t see more then three people per mafia team assuming we’ve got recruitment like in the last game. Meaning the team either acted very close as a unit or avoided each other

I'd be very surprised if the teams were that small. Also, last game in the World series (heh) I think they started with 4 each. But, really, I don't see that they would start at 3 each. Rock Con like baddies way too much to make the game balanced against them with such low numbers.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:52 am At this time, both baddie team names have only shown up in role PMs. Corrupt Remnant appeared in the night post. Jagged Blade has not appeared in the thread yet.

There is a rule about not reproducing Host PMs in the thread. Thank you to those that respect the rule.

For the record, Sloonei, whatever his alignment is, had both baddie team names in his PM. Stop angleshooting and play the game for real.

Please clarify: Does this mean we cannot reference a host pm? I always thought it meant they couldn't be quoted directly. Thanks.

Sorry to see both LA and TH go as players. But as roles: RIP LA. And BIH TH.

Leaning towards a Wilgy vote at the moment. For his convenient pop up defense soon after the last day ended. And more recent denial of having known there was a need to defend.

Fair defense, Sloonei. And I now see where you were coming from with Epi--I had missed that detail in my skim. I'm not sure I agree about Epi, but I get it.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:25 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:23 am Voted Maleficus Revellos. Because plucking away evil sounds like a good idea.
Man we all have different interpretations of the pseudolatin

Except that revellos is actually Latin: http://latin-dictionary.net/definition/ ... i-revulsus

Voted Maleficus Revellos. Because plucking away evil sounds like a good idea.

OK...skimmed a crap ton of pages. Here's why I voted as I did. First, I didn't like the votes against Wilgy. I have no reason to believe him civ, but I see no reason to suspect him, either. He flyby votes all the time--it makes it super easy to bandwagon him. That said, his appearance after the fact, and defense of folks questioning him are suspicious. So I am now placing an eyeball in that direction.

As for wolbre, that bandwagon reeked of bandwagon. And I didn't really see the reason. My suspicion of sloonei is relatively week (as day 1 suspicion often is), but here are the 2 posts that tilted my vote in that direction:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:13 pm I really do need to get out of here though, and I don't have time to continue responding to criticism. My one request is that I am not lynched on Day 1 of this game. I'm clearly invested, regardless of how you read me, and I'm not going to go away. I am voting for luna at the moment. I encourage discussion of her. Sig remains a suspect to me, but very few people seem on board with that. Colin has not made himself into a town read. DrWilgy would be my lazy default low-poster choice.

Another thing that has struck me is that sprityo is playing in this game. Was anybody aware of that? I wouldn't mind giving him some attention, if anyone feels like it.
And, of course, every other name deserves to be on the table as well. Keep doing things, as long as "things" don't include lynching Sloonei right now. At least save it for a time when I can be around respond to things.

UGH FINE, MR LINKI, I'll respond to you but that's it, I swear!

What got me about this post is that no one wants to be lynched day 1. That goes without saying. But it is not a defense I often see civs use. And I'm invested in the game so don't lynch me is a dangerous idea, because baddies also don't want to be lynched, and invested baddies are dangerous.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:23 am
wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:22 am Sloonei, I am not convinced that you're mafia and It looks like its you and wilgy on the chopping block for now, I'd rather see wilgy go if necessary and I can tie it up if no one else is willing to budge
Not really sure why Sloonei is suddenly gaining mafia credit but whatever

I can kinda see how the juliets deal is really problematic, I think most people dismiss her as an enemy bc shes so nice

wtf
Epi's case against me is fake and I am nearly certain he doesn't actually want me to be lynched.
DH is voting for me because he's wrong.
Mac is voting for me because he's an idiot.
G-Man is voting for me because... I don't know. He wants to prove to Mac that he's an idiot, maybe.

This one pinged me more than the other, because saying a case is fake is not the same as saying a case is wrong. Why would epi fake a case on someone? That doesn't really make logical sense. That description doesn't sound like the Epi I know.

As I said, it's not the strongest of suspicions, but it's the suspicion I had.

Voted Sloonei so I don't miss the vote. Finishing up read. Will post reasons when I'm done.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:25 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:23 am crapweasel. I just got back from a wedding and thought I had another hour...only to remember that I'm a time zone back from normal. Going to skim quickly posts since last night. And hopefully read enough to figure out some semblance of something.

linkitis: You people keep posting!!!
Is this the first chance you've had to check the game today?

Yup. I'm back in Texas for the weekend, so been spending the day seeing lots of people I haven't seen in a couple of years. And then getting ready for a wedding. And then at the wedding. I read like a page during the reception, but that's it. Speedreading now, but saw that I was mentioned so popped forward to see.

crapweasel. I just got back from a wedding and thought I had another hour...only to remember that I'm a time zone back from normal. Going to skim quickly posts since last night. And hopefully read enough to figure out some semblance of something.

linkitis: You people keep posting!!!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:39 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:06 am I normally don't analyse roles too deeply at once but I'm normally not given a list of 28 roles that I'm supposed to figure out the alignment of so that really incited my curiosity.
I did a little digging and psi ninja was previously town while Yin and Yang were previously 3P.

Assuming 3P and Independant are the same definition, Yin and Yang were really more hybrid indy/neutral roles, leaning towards neutral in the way they played out, which was likely be design. They were meant to kill each other, in order to choose an alignment, which is exactly what happened. I don't remember the extent to which randomization was truly random in that game (in that era on that forum, there was often tweaking to randomization--it was an accepted part of the culture), and both players who had those roles would be likely to play it that way. The likelihood of them winning as an independent LMS was slim--but for one of them to kill the other in order to join a team was great. So, I wouldn't really call them indy.

That all probably should have been pink.

OK....I got wifi on the plane...

Can I suggest that we change the vote word from aubergine to something that is not one of the role names? I mean, if the point is to be easily searched, then it seems to me it would make it easier if it were a word that isn't likely to come up. Also, lol to the hosts for putting that in there.

@LC @BR: Is the difference in the map from earlier to current based on a host correction, or based on night 0 activity?

Eek! Sorry to have missed night 0. Totally missed that I had a pm. Thank you dear host for letting me know!!! Just got on an airplane. Will check in again in a couple of hours.

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