thellama73 wrote:So I was thinking about the case on Kyle. It is predicated on him replacing AP, who has a reputation of not sending in PMs and being inactive, as juliets said. Yet, if you look, AP/Kyle has only missed one lynch vote. Guess who has missed the most of the living players?
Dom. Who has missed four. (although he was temporarily dead for one of those.) What follows is a summary of Dom's contributions since his resurrection.
Dom wrote:
Llama, what do you think of Epig this game?
Dom wrote:Boogs, who are you looking at today?
Dom wrote:Do you still think Llama is the best person to lynch?
Dom wrote:
Splints, who do you have in mind for smaug?
Dom wrote:Bullz, what do you think that says about CBK?
Dom wrote:
Snow Dog, I asked a very simple question: who were the "shady" voters?
Dom wrote:INH, who do you think is suspicious?
Dom wrote:Epig, are you more suspicious of TH or Snow Dog? I think you answered this, but I feel like it got lost.
Dom wrote:
Why Llama?
What do you think of INH, Epig?
Dom wrote:K4J, who do you think should go?
Dom wrote:So, K4J, which would you advocate?
He sure is interested in soliciting opinions. Much less interested in contributing original thoughts.
I am also suspicious of him for defending me so vocally from Epig's assault. It's the exact same thing MP did. Buddy-buddy-llama. Why should that be? I have a terrible record this game. Why would anyone go out of their way to defend me unless they knew I was civ and wanted to earn my trust? I am returing to my original suspicion of you, Dom.

I'm sorry you feel that way, and this indicates the reason why I was defending you was wrong. I will explain the things you bring up, if you'll listen.
Llama, I thought you to be a certain role based on something that happened to me right around the time we lynched vompatti. Clearly, since you are perturbed by my assumption, I was wrong-- which is certainly interesting to me. It certainly does not make you bad, but it does make me wrong about your role.
However, my less than vocal appearances in the thread have reasons behind them that are multi-faceted. However, there are two large influencers in this silence: choice and time. Let me speak to both.
Time-- before my trip this weekend, I had an incredibly busy week at work. I had very little time or energy to be an active participant in games. I also was spending time with family. That is a shitty excuse, but it is a fact. Since Friday, I have also been in NYC. I drove to my friend's house and then took a drive to the city on Friday. I spent the entire day in the city on Saturday. Today? I drove home.
More importantly, choice:
I have not enjoyed reading a lot of the responses from some players. I have found many players to be rude, harsh... downright mean. I even spoke to our lovely mod about it because I needed a sounding board-- just someone to listen to me. I have grown increasingly frustrated with the thread. I am thoroughly enjoying this GAME, but not so much some of the posts by a few players. I believe Russti has crafted a wonderful game that has been dampened (and continues to be dampened) by people being, to be frank, inappropriate. It has, honestly, made me not want to post. Add that to a lack of time and energy, and it leads to me being less active than before.
In addiiton, Mr. Llama, I would like to point out that all of those posts you pointed out were questions. That is a very common posting method I use. Especially when I am afraid of night kills, I will post in questions in order to play my cards close to my chest. I understand the connection you are trying to draw here, but you're simply wrong. I don't know the answer to this question, but do my periods of inactivity match with the missing kills from the Moria team? Is that the correlation you're trying to draw?
I also refute that that has been my entire contribution. I definitely feel like I discussed Snow Dog a bit as well.
I have not seen anything that would indicate to me that you are bad. I will continue to not think you are bad, but with much less fervor than before. I obviously misinterpreted something that happened. I apologize.
thellama73 wrote:
Does anybody else have anything to say?
Indeed. This is why we get bandwagons, and why, as you pointed out, the first person to vote has an outside influence. It is indeed unfortunate.
I've tried to do a lot of vote analysis (and have maintained a careful spreadsheet to aid in doing so) but as we know, I have been just as ineffectual as the people who just show up and pile on. I am second guessing myself a lot. I am now worried that my original suspicions of Dom and MetalMarsh might have been right and that they are laughing at me in their btsc, but I just don't know.
I will also give K4J another reread before voting. I'm not eager to start another bandwagon for others to pile onto.[/quote]
Llama, how are me AND metal marsh on the same team according to your logic?
I'm intrigued.
I find the case on K4J to be strong, but I find his defense to be sincere. That's clashing to me. Maybe it's because I do not like the tactics being used against him. Maybe it's because I feel like he is being bullied to an extent, I don't know. I find K4J's response to be enough to give me pause.
However, there are two people that I am wondering about more than K4J. They are insertnamehere and Snow Dog. I am not sure that just because Turnip Head was bad that means that Snow Dog is good.
In addition, I feel that INH has created this false equivalency between the case on him and the case on Boogs. INH instantly flew off the handle for being "hounded". However, the facts are not on his side. INH has not received nearly as many votes, he has not been discussed nearly as much, there has not been nearly as much attention, and his name has been brought up while he falls to the shadows. I am, of course, referring to
this post.
Llama, his participation has also dropped off significantly. INH has not posted a remotely on topic response since Day 7 (when Boogs has brought him up and he made that erroneous post I talked about). He also grossly exaggerated a 'case' on Epig
here. I found that to be fear mongering.
Before his name was thrown back into the ring on Day 6/7? Before the Mongoose lynch on Day 5?
INH had a habit of not posting anything of importance at all:
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 093#p69093
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 042#p69042
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 025#p69025
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 963#p68963
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 936#p68936
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 854#p68854
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 851#p68851
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 824#p68824
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 823#p68823
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 655#p68655
Those are all of his posts between his first burst of activity (where he created that spreadsheet) and the second burst (where he said he wasn't bad, and said he was being ganged up on for being talked about at all).
You'll notice the only thing of any, remote import is that he trusts Epig.
He also voted HIMSELF during the TH lynch.