The Hobbit Mafia: Day 12

[kneel4justice]

It is a theory that has nothing to do with my behavior. So, whatever.

Since when do cases have to be based on behavior? If there was a role that said "cannot be lynched" and we tried repeatedly and failed to lynch a player, it would be reasonable to assume they had that role, which would have nothing to do with their behavior.

There are other clues besides behavioral ones. Why did Smaug lay dormant until Night 3? My theory is that something woke him up. You are the only surviving person to receive a lot of votes prior to Night 3. I think it's reasonable to make the leap that taking all those votes woke you up and made you start protecting your treasure.

Ok.

[Dom]

It is a theory that has nothing to do with my behavior. So, whatever.

[Epignosis]

It is a theory that has nothing to do with my behavior. So, whatever.

My theory of k4j was primarily predicated on TH's behavior, not k4j's. He gunned for him as TH1 but said nothing about him TH2.

[Dom]

It is a theory that has nothing to do with my behavior. So, whatever.

My theory of k4j was primarily predicated on TH's behavior, not k4j's. He gunned for him as TH1 but said nothing about him TH2.

That's not why I give it the evil eye.

[kneel4justice]

It is a theory that has nothing to do with my behavior. So, whatever.

My theory of k4j was primarily predicated on TH's behavior, not k4j's. He gunned for him as TH1 but said nothing about him TH2.

I've addressed this.
You however, didn't care to respond.

[Epignosis]

It is a theory that has nothing to do with my behavior. So, whatever.

My theory of k4j was primarily predicated on TH's behavior, not k4j's. He gunned for him as TH1 but said nothing about him TH2.

I've addressed this.
You however, didn't care to respond.

Do you want me to respond?

cf., Day 1.

[kneel4justice]

It is a theory that has nothing to do with my behavior. So, whatever.

My theory of k4j was primarily predicated on TH's behavior, not k4j's. He gunned for him as TH1 but said nothing about him TH2.

I've addressed this.
You however, didn't care to respond.

Do you want me to respond?

cf., Day 1.

Yes I do.
I am not intimidated by you, you're wrong.

[Epignosis]

I've addressed this.
You however, didn't care to respond.

Do you want me to respond?

cf., Day 1.

Yes I do.
I am not intimidated by you, you're wrong.

I like this response.

I'm going to read our exchange a third time, and then make up my mind about you.

[kneel4justice]

I've addressed this.
You however, didn't care to respond.

Do you want me to respond?

cf., Day 1.

Yes I do.
I am not intimidated by you, you're wrong.

I like this response.

I'm going to read our exchange a third time, and then make up my mind about you.

Ok.

[Epignosis]

What bothers me is that so few people talk.

I've been asked before why Mafia win so often here at The Syndicate. Sometimes it's overpowered Mafia, but the more I play, the more I realize it's because civilians adopt the mindset that "as long as I'm not lynched, it's cool." And then these players just show up at the end of the phase, many of them having not studied- yes studied the nuances of the arguments, that they are ineffectual players.

Does anybody else have anything to say?

[Dom]

What bothers me is that so few people talk.

I've been asked before why Mafia win so often here at The Syndicate. Sometimes it's overpowered Mafia, but the more I play, the more I realize it's because civilians adopt the mindset that "as long as I'm not lynched, it's cool." And then these players just show up at the end of the phase, many of them having not studied- yes studied the nuances of the arguments, that they are ineffectual players.

Does anybody else have anything to say?

Yeah

[thellama73]

What bothers me is that so few people talk.

I've been asked before why Mafia win so often here at The Syndicate. Sometimes it's overpowered Mafia, but the more I play, the more I realize it's because civilians adopt the mindset that "as long as I'm not lynched, it's cool." And then these players just show up at the end of the phase, many of them having not studied- yes studied the nuances of the arguments, that they are ineffectual players.

Does anybody else have anything to say?

Indeed. This is why we get bandwagons, and why, as you pointed out, the first person to vote has an outside influence. It is indeed unfortunate.

I've tried to do a lot of vote analysis (and have maintained a careful spreadsheet to aid in doing so) but as we know, I have been just as ineffectual as the people who just show up and pile on. I am second guessing myself a lot. I am now worried that my original suspicions of Dom and MetalMarsh might have been right and that they are laughing at me in their btsc, but I just don't know.

I will also give K4J another reread before voting. I'm not eager to start another bandwagon for others to pile onto.

[Epignosis]

What bothers me is that so few people talk.

I've been asked before why Mafia win so often here at The Syndicate. Sometimes it's overpowered Mafia, but the more I play, the more I realize it's because civilians adopt the mindset that "as long as I'm not lynched, it's cool." And then these players just show up at the end of the phase, many of them having not studied- yes studied the nuances of the arguments, that they are ineffectual players.

Does anybody else have anything to say?

Indeed. This is why we get bandwagons, and why, as you pointed out, the first person to vote has an outside influence. It is indeed unfortunate.

I've tried to do a lot of vote analysis (and have maintained a careful spreadsheet to aid in doing so) but as we know, I have been just as ineffectual as the people who just show up and pile on. I am second guessing myself a lot. I am now worried that my original suspicions of Dom and MetalMarsh might have been right and that they are laughing at me in their btsc, but I just don't know.

I will also give K4J another reread before voting. I'm not eager to start another bandwagon for others to pile onto.

Yeah, see, I'm not the sort of person to give someone a pass just because he or she is "fighting." But I will say my case against k4j is something he can't defend himself from, and that's a shitty situation if- IF- he's good.

So k4j: Lead a lynch.

You make a case on someone. If that person if Townie Goblin, I will give up thinking you are bad.

[juliets]

i have to go ahead and vote and I have not studied the nuances of the posts back and forth between k4j and Epig, nor did i have time to read back on k4j like i had planned. I see there is some movement in his direction and it very well could be the right way to go I just haven't done due diligence.

I did however have time to look back at Kyle and I don't really see anything he has posted. I understand that he just replaced in but i would at least be asking questions based on the nice summary llama provided. Most of all though is the point Epig made about him replacing in for someone who is known not to send in pms (A Person) and then a Moria kill shows up immediately. Finally, I saw Kyle here today but he didn't respond at all to the points made about him, something I would expect from a baddie. At the very least wouldn't you as a civ come into the thread and ask for people to give you a chance since you just got here? So I'm voting tonight for Kyle. This is the best I could do voting early and i apologize to Kyle if some things get explored in the thread tomorrow that makes it clear you're not bad. As I said earlier, I won't be in the thread again before the lynch because I'll be driving home tomorrow.

[thellama73]

So I was thinking about the case on Kyle. It is predicated on him replacing AP, who has a reputation of not sending in PMs and being inactive, as juliets said. Yet, if you look, AP/Kyle has only missed one lynch vote. Guess who has missed the most of the living players?

Dom. Who has missed four. (although he was temporarily dead for one of those.) What follows is a summary of Dom's contributions since his resurrection.

Llama, what do you think of Epig this game?

Boogs, who are you looking at today?

Do you still think Llama is the best person to lynch?

Splints, who do you have in mind for smaug?

Bullz, what do you think that says about CBK?

Snow Dog, I asked a very simple question: who were the "shady" voters?

INH, who do you think is suspicious?

Epig, are you more suspicious of TH or Snow Dog? I think you answered this, but I feel like it got lost.

Why Llama?

What do you think of INH, Epig?

K4J, who do you think should go?

So, K4J, which would you advocate?

He sure is interested in soliciting opinions. Much less interested in contributing original thoughts.

I am also suspicious of him for defending me so vocally from Epig's assault. It's the exact same thing MP did. Buddy-buddy-llama. Why should that be? I have a terrible record this game. Why would anyone go out of their way to defend me unless they knew I was civ and wanted to earn my trust? I am returing to my original suspicion of you, Dom.

[kneel4justice]

What bothers me is that so few people talk.

I've been asked before why Mafia win so often here at The Syndicate. Sometimes it's overpowered Mafia, but the more I play, the more I realize it's because civilians adopt the mindset that "as long as I'm not lynched, it's cool." And then these players just show up at the end of the phase, many of them having not studied- yes studied the nuances of the arguments, that they are ineffectual players.

Does anybody else have anything to say?

Indeed. This is why we get bandwagons, and why, as you pointed out, the first person to vote has an outside influence. It is indeed unfortunate.

I've tried to do a lot of vote analysis (and have maintained a careful spreadsheet to aid in doing so) but as we know, I have been just as ineffectual as the people who just show up and pile on. I am second guessing myself a lot. I am now worried that my original suspicions of Dom and MetalMarsh might have been right and that they are laughing at me in their btsc, but I just don't know.

I will also give K4J another reread before voting. I'm not eager to start another bandwagon for others to pile onto.

Yeah, see, I'm not the sort of person to give someone a pass just because he or she is "fighting." But I will say my case against k4j is something he can't defend himself from, and that's a shitty situation if- IF- he's good.

So k4j: Lead a lynch.

You make a case on someone. If that person if Townie Goblin, I will give up thinking you are bad.

Can you chill?
I mean no disrespect, but I am not playing to do what you say.
I am not here to impress you.

It's like you want to be in control and tell me what I need to do, I get it, that's your style, but it's not necessarily going to help you if you are a civvie. Let's say I am a civvie who genuinely thinks that a player is bad and I lead the lynch. Then you turn around and lynch me, that's 2 civvies down, and your plan doesn't work.

I am here to help get rid of baddies, which I think I have done a great job at this game. I am very contempt with what I have done this game and I will continue putting forth my opinions and trying to have discussion about them. I'm actually surprised at the amount of people who think I could be on TH's team or try to act like I didn't have any positive influence in his lynch, but whatever.

If 'leading' a lynch is being the first vote, I guess you're going to have to wait until I feel comfortable enough to vote because I am not going to read this post and say, ok! Here is my opportunity. That's not going to happen.

I'm not sure what you want from this, but I am not bad regardless and I am still waiting on you to reply to my replies if you truly think they make me bad.

[kneel4justice]

i have to go ahead and vote and I have not studied the nuances of the posts back and forth between k4j and Epig, nor did i have time to read back on k4j like i had planned. I see there is some movement in his direction and it very well could be the right way to go I just haven't done due diligence.

I did however have time to look back at Kyle and I don't really see anything he has posted. I understand that he just replaced in but i would at least be asking questions based on the nice summary llama provided. Most of all though is the point Epig made about him replacing in for someone who is known not to send in pms (A Person) and then a Moria kill shows up immediately. Finally, I saw Kyle here today but he didn't respond at all to the points made about him, something I would expect from a baddie. At the very least wouldn't you as a civ come into the thread and ask for people to give you a chance since you just got here? So I'm voting tonight for Kyle. This is the best I could do voting early and i apologize to Kyle if some things get explored in the thread tomorrow that makes it clear you're not bad. As I said earlier, I won't be in the thread again before the lynch because I'll be driving home tomorrow.

I really don't know what to say, Juliets.
I appreciate that you didn't just come bandwagon on the vote for me without rereading or feeling secure in your decision, but you should know this is going to make you look bad, since (apparently ) Kyle isn't a threat until the night following tomorrows vote. But I feel like you wouldn't do this as scum because it would obviously get you looked into. IDK.

[thellama73]

Your defense, having read it a couple more times, seems sincere to me, K4J. I am not saying I trust you or anything, but it is enough to make me look at other options.

Someone comment on my Dom post!

[kneel4justice]

Your defense, having read it a couple more times, seems sincere to me, K4J. I am not saying I trust you or anything, but it is enough to make me look at other options.

Someone comment on my Dom post!

I'm glad someone is seeing it...now I just have to figure out if this means I feel better about you.....or if it doesn't. I don't want someone feeling better about me to cloud my judgement but I'm not sure at this point if a scum would be willing to risk dialing back on their suspicion just to start another one (Dom).

As for Dom, I really don't know. I hadn't seen anything that had me worried, but I get what you're saying in those quotes. It's just hard for me to read something like that and form an opinion when I had no truly ill feelings about him previously. I do honestly feel there was someone who bad who was trying to low-key help enforce the suspicion of me, and it is possible it could have been him but I am not quite sure. I may have to do a reread if I have time.

[Hedgeowl]

I did not see that coming... :P

[Marmot]

I'm voting Epi.

[thellama73]

I'm voting Epi.

Why?

[Epignosis]

What bothers me is that so few people talk.

I've been asked before why Mafia win so often here at The Syndicate. Sometimes it's overpowered Mafia, but the more I play, the more I realize it's because civilians adopt the mindset that "as long as I'm not lynched, it's cool." And then these players just show up at the end of the phase, many of them having not studied- yes studied the nuances of the arguments, that they are ineffectual players.

Does anybody else have anything to say?

Indeed. This is why we get bandwagons, and why, as you pointed out, the first person to vote has an outside influence. It is indeed unfortunate.

I've tried to do a lot of vote analysis (and have maintained a careful spreadsheet to aid in doing so) but as we know, I have been just as ineffectual as the people who just show up and pile on. I am second guessing myself a lot. I am now worried that my original suspicions of Dom and MetalMarsh might have been right and that they are laughing at me in their btsc, but I just don't know.

I will also give K4J another reread before voting. I'm not eager to start another bandwagon for others to pile onto.

Yeah, see, I'm not the sort of person to give someone a pass just because he or she is "fighting." But I will say my case against k4j is something he can't defend himself from, and that's a shitty situation if- IF- he's good.

So k4j: Lead a lynch.

You make a case on someone. If that person if Townie Goblin, I will give up thinking you are bad.

Can you chill?
I mean no disrespect, but I am not playing to do what you say.
I am not here to impress you.

No.

I won't "chill." I'm a 30-year-old dad. I don't "chill."

I'm not telling you what to do. I'm providing you an opportunity not to receive my vote. And consequently, not receive the vote of people who are not paying attention. You can do what I ask you to do or you can say no.

It's like you want to be in control and tell me what I need to do, I get it, that's your style, but it's not necessarily going to help you if you are a civvie. Let's say I am a civvie who genuinely thinks that a player is bad and I lead the lynch. Then you turn around and lynch me, that's 2 civvies down, and your plan doesn't work.

I am in control. I don't have to want it. I am. Is that arrogant? No. It's true. I can lead any lynch I please. I've demonstrated it multiple times.

I am here to help get rid of baddies, which I think I have done a great job at this game. I am very contempt with what I have done this game and I will continue putting forth my opinions and trying to have discussion about them. I'm actually surprised at the amount of people who think I could be on TH's team or try to act like I didn't have any positive influence in his lynch, but whatever.

Prove it. Lead a lynch against TH's team.

If 'leading' a lynch is being the first vote, I guess you're going to have to wait until I feel comfortable enough to vote because I am not going to read this post and say, ok! Here is my opportunity. That's not going to happen.

That's not my definition. I led the lynch against MP Day 1 but I was the last person to vote.

I'm not sure what you want from this, but I am not bad regardless and I am still waiting on you to reply to my replies if you truly think they make me bad.

Prove it.

[thellama73]

See, it annoys me when people come in and vote without any explanation, any case, any attempt to persuade. What does that accomplish? How does it serve the civ cause?

[Epignosis]

I'm voting Epi.

Why?

Lynch switch maybe. Who knows.

[Marmot]

No solid reason. But I'm back from vacation and am going to start somewhere.

[Epignosis]

No solid reason. But I'm back from vacation and am going to start somewhere.

Uh-yeah. No reason.

[Marmot]

I'm voting Epi.

Why?

Lynch switch maybe. Who knows.

Oh, we can do that in this game?

Linki: Sure, you can call it that.

[thellama73]

But you have another day to decide? Why cast a hasty vote for no reason? It boggles the mind!

[Marmot]

But you have another day to decide? Why cast a hasty vote for no reason? It boggles the mind!

Hasty? The day period is past half-finished. I could have waited until the last minute for a drive-by to rattle your mind even further.

[thellama73]

But you have another day to decide? Why cast a hasty vote for no reason? It boggles the mind!

Hasty? The day period is past half-finished. I could have waited until the last minute for a drive-by to rattle your mind even further.

What I'm asking is, when you have another 24 hours to study and come up with a good reason to cast a vote, why not use them?

[Marmot]

But you have another day to decide? Why cast a hasty vote for no reason? It boggles the mind!

Hasty? The day period is past half-finished. I could have waited until the last minute for a drive-by to rattle your mind even further.

What I'm asking is, when you have another 24 hours to study and come up with a good reason to cast a vote, why not use them?

I am using those 24 hours. My vote's just already cast. Sorry.

[Epignosis]

But you have another day to decide? Why cast a hasty vote for no reason? It boggles the mind!

Hasty? The day period is past half-finished. I could have waited until the last minute for a drive-by to rattle your mind even further.

Eh, rattling minds isn't your thing. Try something else, like banana peeling.

[thellama73]

But you have another day to decide? Why cast a hasty vote for no reason? It boggles the mind!

Hasty? The day period is past half-finished. I could have waited until the last minute for a drive-by to rattle your mind even further.

What I'm asking is, when you have another 24 hours to study and come up with a good reason to cast a vote, why not use them?

I am using those 24 hours. My vote's just already cast. Sorry.

So you're just outright refusing to answer my question about why you cast a vote for no reason when you had another 24 hours to come up with a reason. You're not being very helpful.

[Marmot]

But you have another day to decide? Why cast a hasty vote for no reason? It boggles the mind!

Hasty? The day period is past half-finished. I could have waited until the last minute for a drive-by to rattle your mind even further.

Eh, rattling minds isn't your thing. Try something else, like banana peeling.

I mastered that last week.

But you have another day to decide? Why cast a hasty vote for no reason? It boggles the mind!

Hasty? The day period is past half-finished. I could have waited until the last minute for a drive-by to rattle your mind even further.

What I'm asking is, when you have another 24 hours to study and come up with a good reason to cast a vote, why not use them?

I am using those 24 hours. My vote's just already cast. Sorry.

So you're just outright refusing to answer my question about why you cast a vote for no reason when you had another 24 hours to come up with a reason. You're not being very helpful.

No... If I didn't have a reason for the vote, why would I have a reason for having no reason for the vote?

We are now down to a miniscule 14.5 hours. I will continue to make reads and judgments, they just won't effect my vote today.

[Epignosis]

So either I get lynched (lynch switch) and MM is bad, or his vote was forced.

[thellama73]

So either I get lynched (lynch switch) and MM is bad, or his vote was forced.

I assume it must be the latter, since he would be outing himself incredibly obviously in the former case. I am disappointed that he is treating a forced vote so inelegantly, though. Typically hosts caution players not to make it obvious.

[thellama73]

No... If I didn't have a reason for the vote, why would I have a reason for having no reason for the vote?

We are now down to a miniscule 14.5 hours. I will continue to make reads and judgments, they just won't effect my vote today.

You could have a reason for the timing of your vote, just not its target.

Also, your math is terrible. There's 17 hours and 20-ish minutes left.

[Marmot]

So I was thinking about the case on Kyle. It is predicated on him replacing AP, who has a reputation of not sending in PMs and being inactive, as juliets said. Yet, if you look, AP/Kyle has only missed one lynch vote. Guess who has missed the most of the living players?

Dom. Who has missed four. (although he was temporarily dead for one of those.) What follows is a summary of Dom's contributions since his resurrection.

Llama, what do you think of Epig this game?

Boogs, who are you looking at today?

Do you still think Llama is the best person to lynch?

Splints, who do you have in mind for smaug?

Bullz, what do you think that says about CBK?

Snow Dog, I asked a very simple question: who were the "shady" voters?

INH, who do you think is suspicious?

Epig, are you more suspicious of TH or Snow Dog? I think you answered this, but I feel like it got lost.

Why Llama?

What do you think of INH, Epig?

K4J, who do you think should go?

So, K4J, which would you advocate?

He sure is interested in soliciting opinions. Much less interested in contributing original thoughts.

I am also suspicious of him for defending me so vocally from Epig's assault. It's the exact same thing MP did. Buddy-buddy-llama. Why should that be? I have a terrible record this game. Why would anyone go out of their way to defend me unless they knew I was civ and wanted to earn my trust? I am returing to my original suspicion of you, Dom.

Responding to your Dom comment llama, can you remind me why you originally suspected Dom (and why you originally wanted us to fight)?

This looks to me like either disinterested townie who wants guidance or he's aligned appropriately to your suspicion of him. I'll look at the context of all these questions though, because if they are one-liners just like you've quoted here, I think the suspicion can be deserved.

Has anyone other than Epi voiced suspicion of you llama?

Linki: Sorry about the math. My forum time is set on PST, but my computer is set on EST where I'm at right now.

[Epignosis]

Has anyone other than Epi voiced suspicion of you llama?

Why are you asking him? Read.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 845#p70845

Also, I lie about things.

[Dom]

So I was thinking about the case on Kyle. It is predicated on him replacing AP, who has a reputation of not sending in PMs and being inactive, as juliets said. Yet, if you look, AP/Kyle has only missed one lynch vote. Guess who has missed the most of the living players?

Dom. Who has missed four. (although he was temporarily dead for one of those.) What follows is a summary of Dom's contributions since his resurrection.

Llama, what do you think of Epig this game?

Boogs, who are you looking at today?

Do you still think Llama is the best person to lynch?

Splints, who do you have in mind for smaug?

Bullz, what do you think that says about CBK?

Snow Dog, I asked a very simple question: who were the "shady" voters?

INH, who do you think is suspicious?

Epig, are you more suspicious of TH or Snow Dog? I think you answered this, but I feel like it got lost.

Why Llama?

What do you think of INH, Epig?

K4J, who do you think should go?

So, K4J, which would you advocate?

He sure is interested in soliciting opinions. Much less interested in contributing original thoughts.

I am also suspicious of him for defending me so vocally from Epig's assault. It's the exact same thing MP did. Buddy-buddy-llama. Why should that be? I have a terrible record this game. Why would anyone go out of their way to defend me unless they knew I was civ and wanted to earn my trust? I am returing to my original suspicion of you, Dom.

I'm sorry you feel that way, and this indicates the reason why I was defending you was wrong. I will explain the things you bring up, if you'll listen.
Llama, I thought you to be a certain role based on something that happened to me right around the time we lynched vompatti. Clearly, since you are perturbed by my assumption, I was wrong-- which is certainly interesting to me. It certainly does not make you bad, but it does make me wrong about your role.
However, my less than vocal appearances in the thread have reasons behind them that are multi-faceted. However, there are two large influencers in this silence: choice and time. Let me speak to both.
Time-- before my trip this weekend, I had an incredibly busy week at work. I had very little time or energy to be an active participant in games. I also was spending time with family. That is a shitty excuse, but it is a fact. Since Friday, I have also been in NYC. I drove to my friend's house and then took a drive to the city on Friday. I spent the entire day in the city on Saturday. Today? I drove home.
More importantly, choice:
I have not enjoyed reading a lot of the responses from some players. I have found many players to be rude, harsh... downright mean. I even spoke to our lovely mod about it because I needed a sounding board-- just someone to listen to me. I have grown increasingly frustrated with the thread. I am thoroughly enjoying this GAME, but not so much some of the posts by a few players. I believe Russti has crafted a wonderful game that has been dampened (and continues to be dampened) by people being, to be frank, inappropriate. It has, honestly, made me not want to post. Add that to a lack of time and energy, and it leads to me being less active than before.

In addiiton, Mr. Llama, I would like to point out that all of those posts you pointed out were questions. That is a very common posting method I use. Especially when I am afraid of night kills, I will post in questions in order to play my cards close to my chest. I understand the connection you are trying to draw here, but you're simply wrong. I don't know the answer to this question, but do my periods of inactivity match with the missing kills from the Moria team? Is that the correlation you're trying to draw?
I also refute that that has been my entire contribution. I definitely feel like I discussed Snow Dog a bit as well.
I have not seen anything that would indicate to me that you are bad. I will continue to not think you are bad, but with much less fervor than before. I obviously misinterpreted something that happened. I apologize.

Does anybody else have anything to say?

Indeed. This is why we get bandwagons, and why, as you pointed out, the first person to vote has an outside influence. It is indeed unfortunate.

I've tried to do a lot of vote analysis (and have maintained a careful spreadsheet to aid in doing so) but as we know, I have been just as ineffectual as the people who just show up and pile on. I am second guessing myself a lot. I am now worried that my original suspicions of Dom and MetalMarsh might have been right and that they are laughing at me in their btsc, but I just don't know.

I will also give K4J another reread before voting. I'm not eager to start another bandwagon for others to pile onto.[/quote]
Llama, how are me AND metal marsh on the same team according to your logic?
I'm intrigued.


I find the case on K4J to be strong, but I find his defense to be sincere. That's clashing to me. Maybe it's because I do not like the tactics being used against him. Maybe it's because I feel like he is being bullied to an extent, I don't know. I find K4J's response to be enough to give me pause.

However, there are two people that I am wondering about more than K4J. They are insertnamehere and Snow Dog. I am not sure that just because Turnip Head was bad that means that Snow Dog is good.

In addition, I feel that INH has created this false equivalency between the case on him and the case on Boogs. INH instantly flew off the handle for being "hounded". However, the facts are not on his side. INH has not received nearly as many votes, he has not been discussed nearly as much, there has not been nearly as much attention, and his name has been brought up while he falls to the shadows. I am, of course, referring to this post.
Llama, his participation has also dropped off significantly. INH has not posted a remotely on topic response since Day 7 (when Boogs has brought him up and he made that erroneous post I talked about). He also grossly exaggerated a 'case' on Epig here. I found that to be fear mongering.
Before his name was thrown back into the ring on Day 6/7? Before the Mongoose lynch on Day 5?
INH had a habit of not posting anything of importance at all:
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 093#p69093
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 042#p69042
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 025#p69025
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 963#p68963
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 936#p68936
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 854#p68854
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 851#p68851
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 824#p68824
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 823#p68823
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 655#p68655
Those are all of his posts between his first burst of activity (where he created that spreadsheet) and the second burst (where he said he wasn't bad, and said he was being ganged up on for being talked about at all).
You'll notice the only thing of any, remote import is that he trusts Epig.
He also voted HIMSELF during the TH lynch.

[thellama73]

Responding to your Dom comment llama, can you remind me why you originally suspected Dom (and why you originally wanted us to fight)?

This looks to me like either disinterested townie who wants guidance or he's aligned appropriately to your suspicion of him. I'll look at the context of all these questions though, because if they are one-liners just like you've quoted here, I think the suspicion can be deserved.

Has anyone other than Epi voiced suspicion of you llama?

Linki: Sorry about the math. My forum time is set on PST, but my computer is set on EST where I'm at right now.

My original suspicion was based on his style. He sounded phony, and his first vote seemed opportunistic. It was a thin suspicion, which is why I abandoned it for a while. It is stronger now.

Townies would not be disinterested by definition. They have an interest in the townies winning and in staying alive. You mean uninterested.

Your second paragraph essentially says "Dom looks like he is either bad or he's not." True, but tautological and hardly worth saying.

K4J has voiced suspicion of me. I think a couple of other people have in passing as well, but I don't really recall.

You are forgiven.

[Dom]

My quote of Llama got screwed up :/

[Marmot]

So either I get lynched (lynch switch) and MM is bad, or his vote was forced.

I assume it must be the latter, since he would be outing himself incredibly obviously in the former case. I am disappointed that he is treating a forced vote so inelegantly, though. Typically hosts caution players not to make it obvious.

Votes are good for things other than lynches. As Epi said, they can (potentially) be used for setting up switches. They can help players benefit/lose abilities (see X-Men). They can be used for other strategic ideas. Oh, and you get gold.

Linki @ Epi: Yes, you're good at that too.

[thellama73]

Thanks for the response, Dom. There is much to ponder in what you have said. Especially the people you mention near the end of the alphabet, if you know what I mean.

[Dom]

Thanks for the response, Dom. There is much to ponder in what you have said. Especially the people you mention near the end of the alphabet, if you know what I mean.

In retrospect, I do believe that the scum hunting at the end of the alphabet was not fruitful. I feel like the letter I would be much better suited to such an activity.

Snow Dog has also not been speaking since his almost lynch, strangely enough.

[Marmot]

Thanks for the response, Dom. There is much to ponder in what you have said. Especially the people you mention near the end of the alphabet, if you know what I mean.

In retrospect, I do believe that the scum hunting at the end of the alphabet was not fruitful. I feel like the letter I would be much better suited to such an activity.

Snow Dog has also not been speaking since his almost lynch, strangely enough.

Snow Dog probably thinks he's off the hook. And I've noticed here on this site that sometimes players don't post much if they don't have to defend themselves.

[thellama73]

Thanks for the response, Dom. There is much to ponder in what you have said. Especially the people you mention near the end of the alphabet, if you know what I mean.

In retrospect, I do believe that the scum hunting at the end of the alphabet was not fruitful. I feel like the letter I would be much better suited to such an activity.

Snow Dog has also not been speaking since his almost lynch, strangely enough.

Snow Dog probably thinks he's off the hook. And I've noticed here on this site that sometimes players don't post much if they don't have to defend themselves.

That's why it is good to make cases that people have to defend against, like I did with Dom, and like you refused to do with Epig.

[thellama73]

Thanks for the response, Dom. There is much to ponder in what you have said. Especially the people you mention near the end of the alphabet, if you know what I mean.

In retrospect, I do believe that the scum hunting at the end of the alphabet was not fruitful. I feel like the letter I would be much better suited to such an activity.

Snow Dog has also not been speaking since his almost lynch, strangely enough.

I might be able to get behind an INH lynch. He was using his hosting as an excuse for non-participation, but that game has been over for a while and yet he has remained distinctly non est.

[Dom]

Thanks for the response, Dom. There is much to ponder in what you have said. Especially the people you mention near the end of the alphabet, if you know what I mean.

In retrospect, I do believe that the scum hunting at the end of the alphabet was not fruitful. I feel like the letter I would be much better suited to such an activity.

Snow Dog has also not been speaking since his almost lynch, strangely enough.

Snow Dog probably thinks he's off the hook. And I've noticed here on this site that sometimes players don't post much if they don't have to defend themselves.

That's why it is good to make cases that people have to defend against, like I did with Dom, and like you refused to do with Epig.

Llama, what are your thoughts on my case on INH, I am curious.