The Syndicate

Black Rock wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:Eloh must have stolen my arrow.

I got it for voting Eloh.

I got it for killing you. Also you lied, you had two items.

Long Con wrote:Eloh must have stolen my arrow.

Long Con wrote:

Dom, Doctor Who wrote:Yes, I was the Master.

I will say that I am COMPLETELY frustrated with the way I lost. I didn't lose because of anything I did or did not do. I lost because several players were outed and outed themselves. It came to the point where if you were suspected, you dropped role hints until everyone got what role you were.
That's not how we play Mafia.

Good game, everyone. I had fun.

Dom, Game of Champions wrote:Of the people in the end game, the only person who was not outed/didn't out themselves was DH-- when excluding inactives because they don't matter at that point.

That's a problem.

Honestly, this is the second game on this site that has been absolutely DESTROYED because of info dumping and role outing. There's good in info dumping, but there's also, "hey i'm not bad and it rhymes with "prom".

Dom, I'm actually pretty surprised that you would call it BS that a baddie team would kill you for infodropping, when you're usually heavily on the other side of the argument.

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:

juliets wrote:Dom you so persevered that it put the doubt in my head about BR. Why is he asking that question? Why is he so sure Vompati doesn't have the items? etc. You turned my head and thats all it took along with SVS.

I might have won if I had waited just a day or two longer before bringing it up

Actually I was saying we should kill you the night we went with Rabbit (or maybe the night we killed TH). I think ultimately you only lived as long as you did because we hoped you'd go after SVS and get one or both of you lynched.

Why?
My instincts sucked this game.

You vouched for Canuck. We were annoyed with the amount people vouching for each other and wanted to eliminate anyone with btsc, regardless of how active their partner was.

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:

juliets wrote:Dom you so persevered that it put the doubt in my head about BR. Why is he asking that question? Why is he so sure Vompati doesn't have the items? etc. You turned my head and thats all it took along with SVS.

I might have won if I had waited just a day or two longer before bringing it up

Actually I was saying we should kill you the night we went with Rabbit (or maybe the night we killed TH). I think ultimately you only lived as long as you did because we hoped you'd go after SVS and get one or both of you lynched.

Black Rock wrote:

juliets wrote:BR, btw you played a very good game in my opinion. I never once even thought twice about you, I was sure you were civ. It was so hard to accept in the end that you were bad. Great job!

Thank you. I was proud of my game play this game. I had no suspicions on me until the end. That has never happened to me.

S~V~S wrote:Dom why were you so sure I was bad?

Turnip Head wrote:Dom, splints didn't have the safe because she gave it to me BR didn't get the safe until I died. In fact, Golden, DP and splintsy ALL were able to successfully die holding none of our oriental treasures or other items until the baddies whacked me. We played an intense game of hot potato and it worked right up until the end.

Black Rock wrote:

Dom wrote:Good game everyone! I had fun and am a bit peeved that I didn't win. But alas--- I played my hand with BR too early. Though, given the writing on the wall, maybe she could have let me live.


I knew Zomba had the vault because I checked her. I also checked BR and discovered that she had the safe. Since splints never got it after she died-- I knew BR had to be bad. I tried to create a case out of this, and I'm sorry if I sucked at it BR. I also was told she had more than one item NOT in the safe.


JC-- Canuck and I were the twins, but she was too busy for BTS.


Thx to hosts and players. I had a wonderful time.

I had the safe? Well that was one item I forgot about. I killed you because you were calling me a liar and your case was not a case. You upset me. :P I was going to die anyways, you might as well waited until after. I probably would have killed you anyways because it was between you and SVS and I didn't want to kill SVS. I was feeling too guilty at the time to kill her. I'm not a baddie at heart.

juliets wrote:Dom you so persevered that it put the doubt in my head about BR. Why is he asking that question? Why is he so sure Vompati doesn't have the items? etc. You turned my head and thats all it took along with SVS.

juliets wrote:

Dom wrote:

juliets wrote:

Dom wrote:

juliets wrote:I'm in agreement with the Faraday votes and will join them. He has to be bad or something is off on my spreadsheet (and I don't think anything is).

How are you feeling about BR?

I believe her that she only has 1 item. I think it's very probable that she didn't get something from the Eloh lynch. Do we know how the items are doled out? Like is it first as stolen to last stolen? Or best to worst? Maybe llama will answer this. It adds to my belief if it is best to worst as I got something basically worthless which would make it not hard to believe she got nothing.

I've thought a lot about the Bullz info and I think she got bad info. If she were bad she could have said f*** it, i think the info is wrong and jumped on the Bullz vote. But she didn't - she continued to believe the info and voted accordingly.

I just don't see her as bad.

llama: when doling out items to people who lynch a suspect, do you dole them out in the order they came to that person or do you judge the quality and dole them out best to worst?

Juuliets, then who has the items if BR does not?

I don't know Dom.

juliets wrote:

Dom wrote:

juliets wrote:I'm in agreement with the Faraday votes and will join them. He has to be bad or something is off on my spreadsheet (and I don't think anything is).

How are you feeling about BR?

I believe her that she only has 1 item. I think it's very probable that she didn't get something from the Eloh lynch. Do we know how the items are doled out? Like is it first as stolen to last stolen? Or best to worst? Maybe llama will answer this. It adds to my belief if it is best to worst as I got something basically worthless which would make it not hard to believe she got nothing.

I've thought a lot about the Bullz info and I think she got bad info. If she were bad she could have said f*** it, i think the info is wrong and jumped on the Bullz vote. But she didn't - she continued to believe the info and voted accordingly.

I just don't see her as bad.

llama: when doling out items to people who lynch a suspect, do you dole them out in the order they came to that person or do you judge the quality and dole them out best to worst?

DFaraday wrote:*Sigh*

Since the only people left to vote are one of my suspects, someone who is MIA, and someone who can't be counted on to vote any particular way, I'm clearly not going to be able to tie this up. I'll just go with Bass, because why not.

*Votes Bass*

juliets wrote:I'm in agreement with the Faraday votes and will join them. He has to be bad or something is off on my spreadsheet (and I don't think anything is).

Black Rock wrote:

Dom wrote:Elohcin
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rabbit8 (7), Dom (9), Long Con (10), Elohcin (11), juliets (12), Black Rock (13), Bullzeye (14), S~V~S (15), Bass_the_Clever (16), birdwithteeth11 (17)

You are #5 of Elo voters-- excluding Elo.
Eloh had up to 6 items.

birdwithteeth11
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Black Rock (12), Bass_the_Clever (13), juliets (14), Turnip Head (15), rabbit8 (16)
You were the 1st BWT voter.

I doubt you only have one item.

I got nothing from the Elo lynch and that's the truth. You are assuming a lot here Dom, just to paint me bad. I am telling you the truth, you just don't care.

Black Rock wrote:

Dom wrote:BR could not have spent most of the game with 0 items given her votes.

You are wrong again.

S~V~S wrote:So Dom, to be clear, you think that Faraday & BR are the last 2 baddies?

Becasue a lot of why I thought both Bullz & Faraday are bad has to do with Vomps. Is this gut, and you'll kiss BRs toes if you're wrong, or is this no chance to your way of thinking that you are wrong? Becasue we have seen two horribly, horribly wrong gut cases in this game (Blindfaeth & Sophie) and you could also categorize Liz that way.

So were you going somewhere with the number of items business (and this is something I am keenly interested in as well, very much so~ ) or is this just a no can say kinda thing?

Black Rock wrote:So if you die, I'm bad? Thanks for setting me up there Dom.

Black Rock wrote:So we're teammates now? Whatever Dom. You are so wrong about me.

DFaraday wrote:

Dom wrote:

Dom wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Hmm, I was sure Canuck had too. I guess since she said she'd do whatever SVS does I just assumed she actually voted as well.

Anyway, I'm going to do a detailed rundown of everyone when I get back in a bit, in order to try to figure out who the baddies are. Apparently that's my only hope at this point.

Interesting.

Why are you lying?

This was to the wrong post.

What I meant to say to DFaraday was that I think Canuck is civ too... so.... ?

Any particular reason why you're so sure about Canuck? Because I'm pretty sure I'm either voting her or BR today. Canuck is the only person I've had time to do a readthrough on, so here's my summary:

Day 2 She has a tiff with JC over JC being blendy. Canuck says she would have probably voted JC, but this is never brought up again.

Day 3 she seems to defend Epi a bit and says she'll vote Vomps, then says she's leaning Epi and doesn't think a Vomp lynch will give us much, THEN actually votes Vomp. She also had very little to say about Zomba.

Day 5 she voted Epi, which is a point in her favor.

Day 6 she voted for Liz, and has done nothing of note since.

As it stands, she hasn't made much mention of two of the baddies, and waffled quite a lot over Epi, but ultimately voted him. She's still a possibility for me, unless Dom can give a really good reason why she can't be bad.

Black Rock wrote:

Dom wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I am gonna guess BR is silenced. Everyone but her & Vomps posted, right?

I am not silenced. My daughter is being bullied by her best friends at school. I spent last night and this morning with her crying on my shoulder. Just catching up now and I thought I would stop and confirm that just in case I get distracted before I make a real post.

Also, I have one item. I spent most of this game with 0 items.

Interesting.

Why are you lying?

Lying about what Dom?

Black Rock wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I am gonna guess BR is silenced. Everyone but her & Vomps posted, right?

I am not silenced. My daughter is being bullied by her best friends at school. I spent last night and this morning with her crying on my shoulder. Just catching up now and I thought I would stop and confirm that just in case I get distracted before I make a real post.

Also, I have one item. I spent most of this game with 0 items.

Dom wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Hmm, I was sure Canuck had too. I guess since she said she'd do whatever SVS does I just assumed she actually voted as well.

Anyway, I'm going to do a detailed rundown of everyone when I get back in a bit, in order to try to figure out who the baddies are. Apparently that's my only hope at this point.

Interesting.

Why are you lying?

DFaraday wrote:Hmm, I was sure Canuck had too. I guess since she said she'd do whatever SVS does I just assumed she actually voted as well.

Anyway, I'm going to do a detailed rundown of everyone when I get back in a bit, in order to try to figure out who the baddies are. Apparently that's my only hope at this point.

DFaraday wrote:

Dom wrote: I do not believe you.

Fair enough, I just don't get why you don't also suspect all the people who voted Bullz after that.

DFaraday wrote:

Dom wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

Dom wrote:
He ignored logic and voted for Bullz to make himself appear civvie despite BR's info poining to Bullz being civv.

I don't understand why you keep bringing this up. You and pretty much everyone else voted for Bullz despite BR's info, so how does that make me the only suspicious one?

SVS, I didn't know about extra votes. Still, I feel like the baddies would have tried to steer the lynch to someone other than another teammate and then used their votes, if nothing else to buy Zomba more time.

No.
I voted before she spelled everything out
You voted after.

Ah, okay, I forgot when you had voted in relation to that. Still, I explained my vote; namely, that I was more suspicious of Bullz than anyone else, so I was going to vote him anyway, because her info could be wrong. I also figured that if Bullz came back bad that BR would be a possible teammate, since I had no opinion of her before that.

DFaraday wrote:

Dom wrote:
He ignored logic and voted for Bullz to make himself appear civvie despite BR's info poining to Bullz being civv.

I don't understand why you keep bringing this up. You and pretty much everyone else voted for Bullz despite BR's info, so how does that make me the only suspicious one?

SVS, I didn't know about extra votes. Still, I feel like the baddies would have tried to steer the lynch to someone other than another teammate and then used their votes, if nothing else to buy Zomba more time.

S~V~S wrote:OK, I was gonna wait for someone else to post, becasue I did not want to make 2,598 posts in a row, but my short list is Faraday & Vomps.Two baddies left, and that is who I think it is.

I either have civ roles in mind, or good BOTD reasons for everyone else.

Night Epi

Linki Thanks Splints~!

S~V~S wrote:Faraday, would you be surprised to learn that the baddies had extra votes?

That might render a tie less meaningful. I got some from Zomba when she died. I have them still. Anyone I might have wanted to use them for was NKed not lynched

S~V~S wrote:So since Faraday left just as the questions started flowing, how do we all feel about him?

I thought he might have been bad pre pseudo death, and after we started questioning him, Epi showed up just like he did when we were talking to Bullz.

DFaraday wrote:

Dom wrote:BR-- how many items do you have-- just curious. . . asking for a friend?

S~V~S wrote:He vouches for her or he thinks she is civ? And I am also thinking he is likely civ.

The day I inexplicably voted TH it kinda freaked me that Canuck said she would follow my vote. It could have just been one of those things though. She sounded sincerely frustrated.

I sincerely doubt Canuck is bad.

DFaraday wrote: That is not true. I can get very snappy when I'm really bothered by the way someone is playing (I still feel bad for the way I talked to FH in the LOST game). It's really been bothering me that it seems like most of the players have just been voting blindly on everything, and which made me realize how many times I've done this myself in games, and how much I need to improve my playstyle.

Regarding this lynch, I can pretty much rule out Vomp, SVS, and Dom as baddies. Bass is possible, but I'm thinking more the baddies tried to frame Rabbit for his suspicion. For me it's between BR, JC, and Canuck.

Nice try.

Please, elaborate on Black Rock, though.

Since Bullz turned out to be bad, either her info was faulty or she made it up to try to save him. SAince Bullz had been mentioned a few times prior to that lynch I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened.

Canuck has been impossibly low under the radar, and I know she's busy, but it seems like she doesn't want to be held responsible for anything. JC is really just a matter of numbers; I don't really have anything against her, but someone has to be bad, so she's a possibility.

S~V~S wrote:He vouches for her or he thinks she is civ? And I am also thinking he is likely civ.

The day I inexplicably voted TH it kinda freaked me that Canuck said she would follow my vote. It could have just been one of those things though. She sounded sincerely frustrated.

DFaraday wrote: That is not true. I can get very snappy when I'm really bothered by the way someone is playing (I still feel bad for the way I talked to FH in the LOST game). It's really been bothering me that it seems like most of the players have just been voting blindly on everything, and which made me realize how many times I've done this myself in games, and how much I need to improve my playstyle.

Regarding this lynch, I can pretty much rule out Vomp, SVS, and Dom as baddies. Bass is possible, but I'm thinking more the baddies tried to frame Rabbit for his suspicion. For me it's between BR, JC, and Canuck.

DFaraday wrote:And I voted 22nd Street because I don't like how pretty much all of the votes in the game (including the streets) have degenerated into bandwagons, with reasons for voting anything amounting to "someone else voted that way so I will too".

Poor Elo got the worst of it, but it's been rampant since like Day 4.

S~V~S wrote:
Can someone explain the "Why Bass is a civ" thing to me like I am stupid? I don't particularly feel he is bad, but I don't get that whole role switch thing, either.

juliets wrote:I thought we all had Bass figured out as a civ what with the switch with MM and other things that happened during that period. Anything specific that changed your mind rabbit?

Black Rock wrote:
Didn't you do the same?

Well at this point I hope I was tricked. I hope my info WAS the Celestials and I'm hoping they know what they are talking about.

rabbit8 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Bye Bullz~ sorry we suck

rabbit8 wrote:

juliets wrote:How unsportsmanlike.

I hate it that I was so naive about that info. But congratulations to all you who saw through it

Do you believe BR is a civvie?

Who had Liz' ear tubes? Can we establish a chain of custody for them? Becasue that was what allowed Liz to here snippets of BTS, right?

First vote for Liz.

Metalmarsh89 (6),

MM was killed the next night.

Baddies have ear tubes.

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:What is happening then, Dom? It certainly feels like I'm being bandwagoned by people who have no interest in reading my posts.

Who is your alternative then?
You have simply gotten angry that people have voted for you. You have yet to present a suspicion.

Yeah. I've gotten angry at people. Just sat here raging away. Definitely haven't ever tried to defend myself. Nobody has ignored me or not even bothered to give me a chance. There is no possible reason why I should be even slightly unhappy about this bandwagon.

I said where I wanted to look. I invited people to explain the Vomp case or discuss DFaraday. I haven't had a chance yet to properly look at anyone. I'm very busy. Now I don't see why I should even bother when I'd need to convince literally everyone who hasn't voted. I don't see that happening. JC has already said she'd probably follow SVS, and I think at least one other person is going to follow you.

DFaraday wrote:

Dom wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:What is happening then, Dom? It certainly feels like I'm being bandwagoned by people who have no interest in reading my posts.

Who is your alternative then?
You have simply gotten angry that people have voted for you. You have yet to present a suspicion.

DFaraday wrote:As it stands, the only people left I really feel could be the baddies are Bullz, Bass, BR, JC, Dom, and maybe Canuck. I'm feeling good (or at least neutral) about Rabbit, Vomp, and SVS, which leaves the baddies out of the pool I just mentioned.

I don't really have a strong feel for any of them in particular atm (I was looking at Bass, but that whole switch thing with MM has me wondering if he even could be bad). Since the case on Bullz was pretty good and there are a few ways BR's info could be wrong or made up, I'm going to *vote Bullz*

Did you read what Black Rock said?

I did...I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Bullzeye wrote:What is happening then, Dom? It certainly feels like I'm being bandwagoned by people who have no interest in reading my posts.

DFaraday wrote:As it stands, the only people left I really feel could be the baddies are Bullz, Bass, BR, JC, Dom, and maybe Canuck. I'm feeling good (or at least neutral) about Rabbit, Vomp, and SVS, which leaves the baddies out of the pool I just mentioned.

I don't really have a strong feel for any of them in particular atm (I was looking at Bass, but that whole switch thing with MM has me wondering if he even could be bad). Since the case on Bullz was pretty good and there are a few ways BR's info could be wrong or made up, I'm going to *vote Bullz*

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:Actually, Bullz, I don't like that you are so against my vote, but ignored the questions/point I brought up earlier.

I had to double-check your posts to find out what you meant by this. Is that the circular argument thing? I didn't ignore it, I just wasn't sure if you expected a response and didn't know what to say. You're correct. It is a circular argument on both sides. My question in that case is who knows my intentions better - me, or Rabbit?

I'm sorry if my previous post annoyed you but it was made at 6am from my phone, having not long ago woken up and checking up on the game to find I'd gained yet another vote. It's not that I "don't like why" there is a case against me, it's that the case against me doesn't seem very good when you examine it properly and I feel my defenses are being largely ignored. I don't like that I got two votes as soon as the day began - granted Rabbit appears to be silenced but he's ignoring the fact that it may have been (and in fact was) a set up. SVS I feel just wanted to get revenge for TH and so voted for someone she thought had been after him without even checking that it was the case. If she had any actual suspicions of me she could have given me a chance to address them.

It is true though, that now I have 3 votes people will be coming in, seeing them, and joining the bandwagon without having to put in any input. Blendy civs and blendy baddies alike are going to pile onto me. As for BR, I don't know what to think about her. I don't know what she seems to have found out, and I don't know why she has. If she's telling the truth (and not a baddie trying to gain civ cred after my lynch by saying "I told you he wasn't bad!") then I'd like to hear more about it from her.

I disagree though... and I think your anger is telling.

Try defending yourself against people who blatantly don't give a shit that they're wrong about you, and then see how you feel.

Black Rock wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Black Rock appears to be vouching for you.

Vouching is the wrong word. I received an item from a recent lynch. It allows me to get some BTSC conversation. In this conversation it seems two baddies are talking about pushing the lynch towards Bullz. They seemed joyous about it. Unless I'm being tricked it makes me think Bullz is not a baddie.

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:Actually, Bullz, I don't like that you are so against my vote, but ignored the questions/point I brought up earlier.

I had to double-check your posts to find out what you meant by this. Is that the circular argument thing? I didn't ignore it, I just wasn't sure if you expected a response and didn't know what to say. You're correct. It is a circular argument on both sides. My question in that case is who knows my intentions better - me, or Rabbit?

I'm sorry if my previous post annoyed you but it was made at 6am from my phone, having not long ago woken up and checking up on the game to find I'd gained yet another vote. It's not that I "don't like why" there is a case against me, it's that the case against me doesn't seem very good when you examine it properly and I feel my defenses are being largely ignored. I don't like that I got two votes as soon as the day began - granted Rabbit appears to be silenced but he's ignoring the fact that it may have been (and in fact was) a set up. SVS I feel just wanted to get revenge for TH and so voted for someone she thought had been after him without even checking that it was the case. If she had any actual suspicions of me she could have given me a chance to address them.

It is true though, that now I have 3 votes people will be coming in, seeing them, and joining the bandwagon without having to put in any input. Blendy civs and blendy baddies alike are going to pile onto me. As for BR, I don't know what to think about her. I don't know what she seems to have found out, and I don't know why she has. If she's telling the truth (and not a baddie trying to gain civ cred after my lynch by saying "I told you he wasn't bad!") then I'd like to hear more about it from her.

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:i have to vote-- i have so much to do still. I voted bullz tbh

Exactly what I was talking about before. Thanks for discussing your suspicion with me, reading what I've had to say, and giving me a chance to defend myself. Great play there. There definitely won't be any lazy civs or blendy baddies using my 3 votes as an excuse to just latch on and kill me without actually contributing themselves.

I will say it again: the case against me sucks. It came out of nowhere and is based on Rabbit acting as if he knows me when he doesn't. My votes may not always have been for the right people but that's such a weak argument in this game, yet people are latching onto Rabbit without even bothering to read my posts (to the point of assuming I've said things I didn't!) or let me defend. I feel like this blatant bandwagon is forming more because I don't have anyone vouching for me tbh. That doesn't make me a baddie, and nor does one weak case. This game has been ridiculous.