The Syndicate

I had a hunch you weren't legit but I had no way to explain it in the thread because it was all gut. The last 3 or 4 times I listed you as someone I trust, it was just to keep you from killing me lol until I could get to night 7, but my hunch was that you were the missing baddie I never saw the sk thing coming.

But as an example of how lost I was, the one night I managed a kill, I changed my mind several times and kept pm-ing DDL saying "no! Kill mac!" " no wait! Uhm... colin! "No, shit, uhm.. Kara?" Like damn... lol

If I had lasted one more night I was going to nk DH but I guess that would have failed? I realized Colin was civ too late, as I was dead.

Poutanko I think this was the first time I've seen you play and just fyi those emojis you use are super cute.

Hard to see the forest when you lack information, lol.

With no other vig coming out of the closet, it was very hard to figure out all the kills, and once info did start spilling I couldn't keep track of it all, it got too dense.

I kept letting myself get distracted. I was so afraid of leading people astray that I ended up accomplishing nothing. But, I'll give lc's game a try to see if I can get my brain back in gear.

I was pretty useless this game. Not much more to say, lol.

Thx ddl it was a great setup and congrats to DH!

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:17 pm 21 minutes

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:52 pm Lol I keep choosing bad kill targets amiright?

Eyy, eff you, buddeh!

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:25 pm Are both of them vet players (oldfags)?
I know Mac is considered a big fish, some people mentioned it, what about Timmer?

It won't be as simple if a vet player/big fish involved in here and Jack acted so smug.

I've been around a long time, for sure. I've had huge gaps of time between playing, but I've played longer than this site's been around, let's put it that way. I'm often quite adrift with fast moving games because of how my head works, but there have been a few games where I've locked shit down (it's just been awhile, lol, witness my tantrum earlier in the game).

As for Mac, well someone did something nice for me at one point in the game, and this was after I spilled that I was a vig. I've been silently wondering who it was, and he posted earlier in this day phase in a way that basically told me it was him, so he gets my vouch from now until the game is over as there is no conceivable way a baddie would have done what he did. Also keep in mind that neither me or Mac, I'd say, were under any sort of heavy scrutiny earlier today, so there was no reason for some kind of random gambit.

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:50 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:23 pmbasically if there is a serious case against her, I'll need to seriously reread it because I'm not seeing it.

Someone mentioned this before:
She voted Glorf and stayed on him during LC v Glorf wagon near EoD3.
Voted me and stayed during Jack v me wagon EoD5.

Luna stayed on you but so did sloonei and Colin. And as for long con, didn't his team probably know he would survive? That allows people to vote in unexpected ways.

I suppose that's enough to bump Luna a smidge higher on my list, as in I'd add a small gap between her and dh but I'd need more than that to vote her at this time.

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:26 pm
I still don't get why you think Sprit's vote on Jack is bad. He's not even a late voter.

A late Jack voter would be MORE civ, not less. Nutella's Jack vote, for instance, is significant, much more so than sprit's.

I guess I've never really laid out a big case supporting her, but I feel like she's played a pro-town game all game, provided reads, cop results that don't seem all fucky-uppy... basically if there is a serious case against her, I'll need to seriously reread it because I'm not seeing it.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:06 pm
I get that mac looks town, but who's bad then?

I'll try to rank (I generally hate rainbow lists etc.)

In order of badness

1. Sprityo
2. Colin

big gap

3. poutanko

gap

4. nutella
5. juliets 2.0

big gap

6. Luna
7. DH
8. Mac

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:11 pm I don't really like my vote on Mac, but I don't know who to move it to now. Help.

Also @poutanko why are you voting for me?

I'd like to just say here that Mac is a near-guaranteed civ imho. He did something earlier in the game that only a civ would do, no two ways about it. I'm not going to say what, though. But... anyone who trusts me should also trust Mac, at this point.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:51 pm Well sprityo what did you do?

ive done nothing except oh idk, lynch jack yesterday

anything specific you want to know?

I'm pretty sure the accurate statement would be that DH lynched Jack, lol, not you.

At this point I full trust Mac.

I fairly strongly trust DH based on his play.

I'm pretty sure I trust Luna.

On the other end I don't trust sprit. Colin has points for and against him.

Everyone else is in the middle. I'll be busy for the rest of today.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:00 pm Luna and Pout can you dump all your cop reveals please? I know DH put a stop to this last time but I don't see why we don't just share everything at this point because I have done some stuff that you'd have to be crazy to think I am scum for that can be corroborated by living players.

Right Timmer?

Hmm... Mac has moved to the top of my civ list. I was wondering about that

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:20 pm That’s dumb????

I don’t know that pout is town, I’m operating under that it’s stupid for it to have been two mafia up for lynching


Why in the fresh hell would both mafia claim cop???????

Like if I could jump to conclusions as far as you can I’d be able to vault the Grand Canyon

That's part of the reason he isn't at the top of my list of potentials, dude.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:01 pm But guys...

Before Jack got dunked on he wanted everyone to lynch Pout.

Yeah, pout is in the mid-tier of potential baddie partners for me, behind Colin and sprit for sure.

For now, I'm voting sprit. I can't see a civvie cop pout getting results scrambled 2 nights in a row before even claiming cop, so that helps Colin. And sprit's Jack vote coming where it did could definitely be a partner gambit.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:31 pm
What if divination is just bullshit like in the lore and Pout is actually refusing to use it?

Even though this post came from Jack, it brings up the point that a baddie pout could have simply lied about being obliviated. It would make him not have to worry about cop claims anymore. Just saying.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:21 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:14 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:24 am damn it but what if sprityo really did bus for the credit augh

but no, once he actually started playing his tone throughout everything is super genuine

I think he did. Mac says he wouldn’t do it but look back at Retro.

Retro was a completely different game to be fair

The difference of having a lot of people wanting to lynch Luna versus a tie in which I vote early, hop off pout and onto jack. Like the amount of chance I would need to have both Nutella and timmer vote for jack over pout is high. Essentially what I’m saying is, why jump off pout who was 6-2 at the time to buss jack?

But isn't that sort of the point? Your move to jack probably seemed safe because getting 2 more votes that late could seem like a risk worth taking?

Oh, no worries, just curious.

Why? Pissed off because you had been fooled ? Pissed because someone won by manipulating their meta?

Some quick thoughts before bed because I have another double tomorrow.

Pout got a bad read on bullz. If he was tampered with that night, would he have been tampered with again the very next night? I doubt it, he didn't even claim cop until later so...

By that rationale, either pout is civ and so is colin. Or pout is bad, which go either way on colin?

As for sprit, I'd at least consider a lynch there but can people who know glorf please reiterate how rock solid his meta is... like, there is NO WAY he was bad? None? Because juliets is awful quiet, but it seems like glorfs meta is a complete gimme?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:56 pm nutella deletes the people.

then timmer grinds them into chunks.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:27 pm Before you frivolously and reactively vote for sprityo can you explain the fact that he voted for Jack in a 5 v 4 lynch?

We may need to check the timing on this. Iirc sprit and I both voted for jack around the same time, and I believe jack was down by 2 votes when sprit voted and then I brought him to within one of a tie. Sprit's vote MAY have been a partner gambit.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:43 pm Galaxy Brain -

Lynch Jack today, Check Colin and protect the cops.

Like... pass on the lynch since we know Jack won't die? That's an odd strategy since we don't know if the baddies have fuck around powers left ?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:40 pm Jack - "What if I claimed cop and cleared a buncha civs lol dope right?"
Timmer - "What if I claimed to be a vig that never killed anyone lol"

Just catching up, but I vigged Kara.

Hey all, it's a body part grinding night apparently, I'll be catching up at some point tomorrow. Mayyyybe later tonight if I'm awake enough!

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:25 pm Galaxy Brain theory:

If you can't die or be lynched as long as one of your teammates is alive, do you Fake-Cop clear that teammate and then call DharmaHelper up to get him to back off of that teammate?

If they were going to be lynched, which removes the players mega powerful horcrux? Maybe. Ordinarily I'd say no but that horcrux is a big thing to protect.

poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:18 pm nutella, poutanko, sprityo, timmer
GOOD

DH
GOD

Rest
SHOOT

I kind of love this post.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:22 pm Remember when we were about to lynch a cop and I said Nah lets lynch a mafia instead wow lol wild what a game


I love you guys.

You are the greatest, lol.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:35 pm Hey BTW if anyone does have a kill Jack's teammate is keeping him alive. So like, find that fucker and then boom get em.

I'm very reluctant. Since I'm outed, what are the odds I'm redirected, at this point? My other thing is safer if that happens.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:57 pm @timmer i implore you not to vig kill me, but i understand if you do.

now whether to use my potion or my portrait tonight

maybe a spell

linki: go away baddie

You voted for the same person I did. Why are you so certain I'm going to vig you? Besides, I'm pretty sure I've had more luck using my other thing so I'm likely going to stick with that. I don't trust myself to kill right now.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:23 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:22 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:58 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:57 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:56 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:55 pm wow, good one DH. So does the Horcrux still protect Jack or was it a one use thing? I'm just super dumb this game.

tons of linki

It protects him until we find his teammate is how I read it.

So what was your thing against Timmer about?

Tone read him as a teammate pissed/confused that Jack got outted.

Couldn't be that I wanted a damn case beyond trust me? Where does my vote sit me with you now?

Tone read as in past tense. You look OK-ish now. If you knew he'd survive IDK if you'd piss down my back as much.

I gambled on your meta, here. When I realized that you weren't going to say more but also not let up, I just thought there's no way you would do this for a baddie teammate poutanko.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:58 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:57 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:56 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:55 pm wow, good one DH. So does the Horcrux still protect Jack or was it a one use thing? I'm just super dumb this game.

tons of linki

It protects him until we find his teammate is how I read it.

So what was your thing against Timmer about?

Tone read him as a teammate pissed/confused that Jack got outted.

Couldn't be that I wanted a damn case beyond trust me? Where does my vote sit me with you now?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:54 pm Anyone think Nutella looks bad for jumping all over the joint then landing on an invincible Jack? Or nah?

Makes more sense to not get lynched and not reveal the horcrux. I'd say nah.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:50 pm Too hot hot damn call the police and the fire man.

Damn, son.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:38 pm Oh shit wait

Excuse me?

I hope you have more than you let on, DH. I'm not moving my vote at this point.

juliets is reading the thread. Juliets, I think you should tie this lynch up.

Here's my final thoughts.

1. DH wouldn't do what he did today without a reason.

2. Poutanko had a bad read, yes, but I can tell you that DDL is hazy as fuck about whether some actions worked like you think, so it's plausible.

3. Jack seems to have no unique result to speak of, which is a very convenient sign ofa baddie using thread info for false claims.

And Christ DH, get off of that.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

I'm really unsure of things, but I'm not seeing sprit getting lynched, so I've moved my vote.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:12 pm Here’s a question though: why does scum poutanko cop Speed as bad knowing it’s wrong?

To save Quin, presumably, wasn't Quin the one up against speed?

If there are 2 baddies left and it is Quin and poutanko, it may have seemed like a worthy gambit, and indeed, it would seemto have worked, until now?

It's a mess.

dh, are any of the results Jack gave you unique, as in he is the only one commenting on their alignment? Or are they all peple who have been mentioned by other cops, etc. previously?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:56 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:53 pm @DharmaHelper I think there's a chance that you've misread Jack. Is that possible?

No. Not possible.



I'm going to go make lunch. You lynch Jack today or we lose a civ, that's up to you guys. I wouldn't out a civilian cop. If you all refuse to believe me, then you deserve to lose it really is that simple.

And this is why I walk from mafia for long periods.

You haven't made a good case. Don't say shit like that to the rest of us. Deal with your own shit.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:38 pm I am going to get Nightkilled for handing you all *another* baddie on a fucking plate and you don't want him lol ok good and cool.

You haven't provided a single reason that coming from another player, YOU would find trustworthy.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:29 pm

There can be more than one divination user according to DDL. In the unlikely scenario that three players have it, I would bet that at least one of them is scum, and using it to make fake claims. Either Pout or Jack.

Exactly. And poutanko claimed a result that has been proven FALSE. So why Jack? DH can't explain it. And I'm never going to listen to someone bcause he types in caps. I trust you. I trust DH. But I don't trust his case until he tells me why Jack is more likely bad thana cop whose result has been proven false.

I'm voting for any claimed cop today.