The Syndicate

Great game! Thanks, this was fun!

Lame.

I'm joining the Sorshva vote list.

I'll do a proper read up later tonight.

I'm here, I'm going to do a lightning catchup....

I'm so sorry guys, I got really detained by life today.

timmer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:33 pm So, Creature is someone who I know absolutely nothing about. I need to know, how does he act in-thread with his baddie teammates? I can remember some times where a baddie teammate would tell me "look, I like to go after my teammates in the thread, just be aware" and stuff like that... does anyone have anything they can draw on about Creature is with baddie buds?

I'm doing a read through of any post where his name appears, and there is an impressive 3-way back n forth between Creature, Epignosis and DDL where they all kind of voted each other round and round in a semi-playful it's early on Day 1 way. Would a abddie Creature do this with his buds? Or does this feel like it's not showing a team cluster?

Is anyone able to provide help on this? ^

Then Tony had his big post count vs vibe score post where he specifically called out Creature for appearing bad by that rationale, but then immediately dismissed it as meta-induced.

And wow, truly sloonei's, mine and dizzy's votes were all posted at exactly 6:10, deadline was 6:11, so to be fair any one of us may have been attempting a tied vote, so I don't feel right slagging people who don't want to call us confirmed town.

So, Creature is someone who I know absolutely nothing about. I need to know, how does he act in-thread with his baddie teammates? I can remember some times where a baddie teammate would tell me "look, I like to go after my teammates in the thread, just be aware" and stuff like that... does anyone have anything they can draw on about Creature is with baddie buds?

I'm doing a read through of any post where his name appears, and there is an impressive 3-way back n forth between Creature, Epignosis and DDL where they all kind of voted each other round and round in a semi-playful it's early on Day 1 way. Would a abddie Creature do this with his buds? Or does this feel like it's not showing a team cluster?

Well, then. I guess I'll hedder too, that was fun.

Okay, well not everyone is a part of that particular vibe, so please try not to cast a huge net of negativity on all of us? FTR, I don't think you are bad at the moment, you've just provided something interesting to talk about and I want to understand it better.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:03 pm By the way, civilians lost that game.

The toxic environment created by the hot potato "winners" wasn't worth the trouble.

Uhm, I'm just challenging you on your thoughts about the lynch, dude. Like... I'm not being toxic? Wtf is this?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:49 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:47 pm RIP Quin, that's crap.

@DDL, I'm curious to hear more about how you feel like I don't benefit from yesterday's lynch much? If I'm theoretically bad, why didn't I just leave my vote on Long Con? Even if both Long Con and Creature and myself were all bad together, why would I move my vote when by leaving it on Long Con, at the last second there was a tie between Long Con and Creature, which would have meant... no lynch? I can see literally no justification for moving my vote with 5 seconds left if I were bad, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
You'd look terrible if you betrayed your fellow turtles at the last moment.

Really, really terrible.

I mean the other 3 would too but they were floating around the Creature idea multiple times before then. I don't recall you doing it.

Not really, dawg, there was no sense of "Timmer, join us" lol, if there was, I'd like to see it. Certainly nothing that would make me literally kill my own teammate. Besides, in that case, it would have cost me 5 seconds more to simply say "shucks guys I tried to move my vote but I missed the deadline".

RIP Quin, that's crap.

@DDL, I'm curious to hear more about how you feel like I don't benefit from yesterday's lynch much? If I'm theoretically bad, why didn't I just leave my vote on Long Con? Even if both Long Con and Creature and myself were all bad together, why would I move my vote when by leaving it on Long Con, at the last second there was a tie between Long Con and Creature, which would have meant... no lynch? I can see literally no justification for moving my vote with 5 seconds left if I were bad, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:43 am
timmer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:12 am Oh wait, he was bad? I saw the word vanilla and read it as civilian, holy shit, lol!
This is forced

I'm literally the guy whose vote lynched Creature, but ok.

The Fearsome Four.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:06 pm lmao this was the best eod i've ever participated in.

quin, timmer, dizzy are lock town.
Before I take my toys,

I'd not lock clear anyone but timmer who put it over last second. Otherwise it was a tie correct? Which would've resulting in a no lynch so in theory mafia could have bussed to the point of tying.

If long con is also bad, I would guess a voter may have tried a tie, but its iffy as hell to guess that as the timing would have been damn near impossible. I'm sticking with the 4 of us as town until I have a good reason not to.

Oh wait, he was bad? I saw the word vanilla and read it as civilian, holy shit, lol!

Ah damn, that could have been better, great writeup though!

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:04 pm ScumTram™

Because even the mafia needs reliable public transport!

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:53 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:51 pm Your... scumteam?
My guess at EoD was a Creature/Sloonei/LC team.

Oh! Lol I read your post like "I was talking to my scumtram and if they are correct in btsc..."

I was like... does no one else see this?

Your... scumteam?

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:43 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:41 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:38 pm Sloonie and LC are mafia i'm like 20% sure of it.
Not I'm, not. WTF makes you 1/5 of sure of it? I've barely been here.
Sloonie did shenanigans, which I'm currently interpreting as an attempt to save you. Now normally I'd ire on the side of caution here and say mafia wouldn't be so obvious, but this feels pretty good.

I'll summarize my thoughts after the lynch post, just in case i'm wrong.

I actually see your point. 4 voters present, 4 votes moved. If we aren't all town, then creature has a good chance of being town because a baddie wouldn't have moved there but would have tried something else.

The one thing that counters it is how close to deadline it actually was. When I voted and my screen reloaded it said that we had reached deadline but my vote went through, so its possible that a baddie moved to a teammate to cause a tie, since a no lynch is the best result right now for baddies.

If creature flips town, who do you think was being saved, Sig?

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:37 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:34 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:30 pm I'm not happy with you people, not happy.
This is some shade.

If whoever is it flips town, this may be some pre-emptive attempt to take town cred by shaming others.
Or maybe I just like shaming people. Also hey your name was up there to this could've just as easily been a Wilgy lynch.

Timmer, being around is a meaningless note here. Scum could've been around and led the switch, which is what I think happened. I don't see what that has to do with it tbh.

So you... know creature's alignment already, prelynch? How about we wait to see how this goes before you declare it bad, hmm?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:36 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:34 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:30 pm I'm not happy with you people, not happy.
Being unhappy with the only people who were around trying to make something happen is just not a good look.
No you are bad. Don't be in sync with me!

Sorry Wilgy, you are just wrong about me. But what are you, to me? Not sure yet.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:30 pm I'm not happy with you people, not happy.

Being unhappy with the only people who were around trying to make something happen is just not a good look.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:31 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:21 pm Actually that's a good point, that will be hard to follow for people later, for clarity I ended with a [VOTE: creature] aubergine.
This was after poll ended correct?

My vote was before the poll, by like 3 seconds. I'm posting that to be able to find it easier for when people do reads

Actually that's a good point, that will be hard to follow for people later, for clarity I ended with a [VOTE: creature] aubergine.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:15 pm you know G-Man probably had a customised lynch post ready and we just ruined his day

Long con was a crapshoot too, I'm ok with this

Christ that was 3 seconds from deadline.

I can do creature.

The only other option I would consider this close is wilgy because a wilgy lynch would give us reads as he had been talked about by a few people and he has taken a stance here and there.

I count 5 votes in the poll that feel like they are based on a read of the entire day 1. The rest are dead eight from earlier.

[VOTE: remains long con] aubergine

Oh, lol. I'll stay put, then, thank you.

Actually I wil move off of long con because the other voters are on him from way back and they are dead votes based on little game posting, it feels weird to lynch him on that. I'll move to wilgy.

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

Zero, not zesty

I have zesty read on ddl, wilgy has seemed a bit twitchy but he had also been talked about and that can cause that reaction... I won't let the lynch tie, if I have to do I'd pick wilgy to move my vote to rather than ddl as it would at least allow something to study.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:16 pm There is something to be said about timmer in that most of his post have been directed towards Wilgy and sig's weirdness, both of whom are notorious for being WeIrD. It's not his fault for having memory problems, obviously, but I can't know for sure how easily one can forget their typical Syndicate behaviour.

That's just it, sig and wilgy are people I DO remember as being weird in these ways, that's why I can talk about them. "Wilgy would do that", etc.

As for this vote, long con didn't deliver so I'm good with leaving my vote on him, but I'd be game for a creature vote as well as there is nothing there I can point to to speak up about.

Dom... this doesn't seem like a strong Dom game yet but im not sure what a bad Dom game is, this early.

Long con is here and has promised some thoughts.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:50 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:46 pm Sloon, much of your post just mirrors what happens to me every time I play now, which is rarely. I post complete honesty about my thoughts and how my perma-damaged memory works, people find my working odd, I get lynched, I'm town. Rinse, repeat.

I've had multiple concussions in my life, one bad enough to hospitalize me. I had posted back in the start of my mafia career about it on the piano and made the Pont that I would never hide behind it as a baddie, and I never have.

My posts aren't contradictions at all, they are a reflection of my reality. I can remember some players' tone and posting style perfectly... others I can kind of remember but im unsure if I trust that memory... and others I can't remember damn thing, it's like they don't exist before this game even though ive played with them before.

But it's ok, I get it, and it's why I don't get ruffled as a civ much, I understand this very well because it happens over and over. I get ruffled as a baddie though, because when I'm bad I try to find a sort of persona and run with it and if things go haywire I get pissed off because it's a lot of work to keep focused on a persona.

Take that as you will.
timmer, what's your read on Sloonei right now?

Sloonei seems like sloonei to me right now. Unafraid to try to put together at least SOME kind of case on Day 1 even if it does mean trying to string a lot of things together that are wobbly. It's better than most people's (including myself) tendency to just shrug at day 1.

I won't vote sloonei today unless it's to save my own life.

To show how my thoughts on Sig carry some history, here's my post from the last game I played about him:

"Sig has taken pains to come up swinging with the "I always look bad" thing, and he is absolutely correct in his self-read, even I remember this. But then Sig goes and says things that just... seem shady, like the above. I'd love to hear how this feels like a conspiracy, I don't see it at ALL. And furthur... even though he is correct in his meta read, I'd actually that he seems... bad, lol."

He was indeed bad. So I get prickly about him, and when he seems bad, I notice.

And I realize all of a sudden that I'm unsure if my daylight savings settings are correct as I haven't played in a bit, am I correct that as of this post there is about an hour and 20 minutes ish to go?

Sloon, much of your post just mirrors what happens to me every time I play now, which is rarely. I post complete honesty about my thoughts and how my perma-damaged memory works, people find my working odd, I get lynched, I'm town. Rinse, repeat.

I've had multiple concussions in my life, one bad enough to hospitalize me. I had posted back in the start of my mafia career about it on the piano and made the Pont that I would never hide behind it as a baddie, and I never have.

My posts aren't contradictions at all, they are a reflection of my reality. I can remember some players' tone and posting style perfectly... others I can kind of remember but im unsure if I trust that memory... and others I can't remember damn thing, it's like they don't exist before this game even though ive played with them before.

But it's ok, I get it, and it's why I don't get ruffled as a civ much, I understand this very well because it happens over and over. I get ruffled as a baddie though, because when I'm bad I try to find a sort of persona and run with it and if things go haywire I get pissed off because it's a lot of work to keep focused on a persona.

Take that as you will.

I've thrown a vote on long con. Mostly to get him to give some opinions, I read his posts in the game so far and they're pretty empty of content.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:34 pm Who here has a strong read?

I usually don't get what I would call a strong read until about day 3. I was contemplating a dys vote but I'm feeling like this level of moving votes around and changing focus is their norm?

Sig is Sig, which means I'm vaguely feeling like he's bad. The last game I played I had the same feeling and he was indeed bad, so I'm chewing on that...

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:14 pm bimbo 0/5
Creature 1/5
Dom 4/5
Dragon D. Luffy 1/5
DrWilgy 1/5
Dyslexicon 5/5
Epignosis 4/5
Long Con 2/5
MacDougall 1/5
Quin 0/5
sig 3/5
Sloonei 3/5
Sorsha 0/5
timmer 2/5

So here’s a rating of players and roughly how much they’ve left an impression on me. I’d expect this to correlate to post count.

Sorted:

Dizzy - 69 (nice)
Epi - 21
Dom - 10
Sloonei - 41
Sig - 12
Timmer -18
LC - 18
Wilgy - 10
DDL - 7
Creature - 28
Mac - 3
Quin
Sorsha
Bimbo

The idea with this is I tend to get the idea that scum players get in less fights or leave less an impression. That’s not foolproof, but whenever I get a “meh” feeling about someone it’s usually because they’re posting but I don’t feel like I remember what they’re saying or they seem to have just a few set goals in mind.

Standouts: Creature is low but that’s semi-expected on meta. Dom is high, probably town look for him. Sig is probably high on recency bias. Everything else is mostly in line.

Result: slight town read on Dom, no other changes

I'd be curious to see how this works without day 0. I find some people are happy to chat when it doesn't count but then clam up

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:58 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:51 pmThat's why it's weird. He's come in and made this little clump of odd statements that don't seem very focused. Like, no one was talking about inactives at all.
Weird is one thing, but is it scummy?

This is why we're talking about it, lol. I always struggle to remember how some people play because I'm so infrequently here. Its also why I don't throw votes around.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:38 pm I don't think Sig's mention of "let's not lynch inactives" was very weird. I just found it informative really, cause I didn't know we had replacements waiting. So that's good. Also, no inactives had been discussed as a lynch option or even voted, so in the case he actually is scum and teamed with one, I don't see why he would be particularly worried about that.

I more so wish he fleshed out his thoughts on who to actually lynch. He's said two things about not lynching people with votes and also not lynching inactives. But who then? Why not vote and lead by example?

That's why it's weird. He's come in and made this little clump of odd statements that don't seem very focused. Like, no one was talking about inactives at all.

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