The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote:I'm just here so I don't get fined.

^^^Best post ever. Oh, and I'll take a rezz, too, please. While we're asking.

No no Roxy, I'm not rushing to judge YOU, I wasn't saying you shouldn't rush to judge ME. And I can only suggest that you reconsider, because this is the second game in a row where you are wrong about me.

@MM, this is still mafia. Either I am civ and am acting accordingly as best I can, or I'm bad and faking it as best I can or I'm still unrecruited and complicating my gameplay for some reason. I stated long ago Ive been trying to get recruited, that my game is morphing shouldn't be to crazy a concept?

Correct, you don't see how. And I can't help you see without breaking rules. I'm not trying to convince people to vote for 2, you asked me why I picked it and I've been giving you the best answer I can. We can move on any time you're ready.

Ricochet wrote:
I don't see what answering those questions has to do with role revealing, I didn't ask anything that specific in nature. First question was more like testing whether you're really ok with a bad leader, namely Uzbekistan, receiving a position that allows him to possibly evade a lynch (for a second Day in a row, in fact). Second question was asked because your option strikes me as totally self-centered, according to your game credo, so I don't see how you can claim to have the other players' (let alone the civs) interest in your position choosing strategy.

I really don't think I can expound too much on this, but my credo was to be neutral while neutral, and then to move along into eventually being on a team. Just as I said in the beginning that this was a sort of LMS game that would morph into a traditional mafia game, so too is my gameplay evolving with it. If others are reluctant to go with Position 2, that's cool with me, I'm just stating that based on a lot of things, I'm happy to go with Position 2.

Which position would you prefer? And why?

ETA:

Ricochet wrote: But you'd rather hand a bad leader a way out of getting lynched by voting position 2?

How so?

I can't properly answer either of these questions without revealing my role, etc. so suffice to say that I'm comfortable voting for Position 2.

Ricochet wrote:

timmer wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

timmer wrote:Voted #2.

Why?

I like my position 2 power! I wouldn't mind 5, as well.

Is it a pretty position 2? Or a venomous one?

Do you care how the positions look for the game, or the civ game, at all, in choosing them?

Very much so!

Scotty wrote:

Tranq wrote:

Scotty wrote:Voted Pos. 4.

If we're going to focus on Ubz tomorrow (which I think we should) we don't want a lynch switch or a protect from him (plus mild consequences, whatever that entails). I think poison is, while not ideal, manageable.

Position 2 has Ubzulu's lynch switch. Last time Position 5 got picked, the Druidic Elder switched the lynch to DharmaHelper. Are you assuming Druidic Elder is on team Ubzulu?

Voting Position 4.

I'm not sure I understand what logic made you assume I think Elder is bad.

No, I've already said it appeared that Druidic Elder is good, seeing as he switched the lynch of Wilgy, a Caelia recruit.

But he switched it to DH, who based on game events seems pretty civvie too. Why assume Elder was saving one civ and not trying to kill the other? I'd frankly rather not hand that role that power again.

Ricochet wrote:

timmer wrote:Voted #2.

Why?

I like my position 2 power! I wouldn't mind 5, as well.

Voted #2.

@Roxy, one thing I've learned from our recent history is not rush to judgment, so I'm not even technically eyeing you yet, I'm just... intrigued. And I said you were wrong in my post, so I did essentially say I'm not bad, contrary to what you last said.

Moved my vote. I don't really trust many of the BWT voters, and I think the Syn question needs to be answered at this point.

Also, I'm a bit intrigued at how Roxy is doing the Timmerbad thing. She has often caught my baddie game on the past but she's also used that fact when SHE was bad, to take the civ me out. Historically she doesn't really come out with sudden swagger like this, and I know she's wrong, so let's just say I'm watching the situation for now.

I've moved my vote to TH. I can see the point people are making about the unlikelihood of Synonym being bad, so I've reverted to my earlier position on TH. I'll read up more tomorrow, but must go to bed now.

Scotty wrote:

timmer wrote:Scotty, go to Bea's posts, use "search user's posts" and type in the word "silenced". Skim down, you'll see some posts where she mentions things like "is this one of those few times where voting for someone is silenced is okay? I don't usually like doing that" etc.

LMK if you can't find it, I'll go find it for you later.

@MM

cant find it. shes only said the word "silenced" twice, and that was a few hours ago

Oh, I think you are searching this game's posts. I searched her total posts, from all games. She mentions several times in the Monty Python game that she dislikes voting for silenced people. However, that said, she was bad in that game, so I'm no longer as sure that it's a relevant point.

Scotty, go to Bea's posts, use "search user's posts" and type in the word "silenced". Skim down, you'll see some posts where she mentions things like "is this one of those few times where voting for someone is silenced is okay? I don't usually like doing that" etc.

LMK if you can't find it, I'll go find it for you later.

@MM

llama has a lot of posts, and I id a quick skim. I see baddie hunting, I see a breakdown of Bubbles' interactions. It'd be pretty ballsy if llama has on that team, but it doesn't mean he isn't on Azuna's squad.

I don't know, none of them are a slam dunk, but I agree with DH that Synonym seems honest about recruitment.

I also need to revisit my stance on TH in a bit.

Tranq's posts don't really cry out baddie to me. He seems to not be posting as much as I remember posting back in the day, but he hasn't gone after anyone good or supported anyone bad.

bea wrote:Been up since 9 on 4 hours sleep. Store is burning down yet again. 5 call offs in 2 days and now the phones are broke. Voting wily again because I'm not sure if I will make it back and because silence after not being lynched seems too convinent.

So a quick read back through Bea's posts shows some possible baddieness, I'd say. She was passively supportive of SVS all game, saying things like "yeah, always gotta watch her" but never quite agreeing with anyone's case against her enough to vote for her. Also, the above post? I searched all of Bea's posts from previous games, and there are times in the past when she has said she hates voting for silenced people, but she sure had no problem voting DrWilgy.

It's enough to make her a main suspect, I'll move onto Tranq.

DrWilgy wrote:After me, please lynch SVS, Llama, possibly Tranq and bea. I still believe I wasn't wrong about my day 5 recruitment theory, but I suppose that's my ego at work. Also, I'm still confused about Sorsha. I wanted to but didn't have time to look into Rico's death. It'd be sly as hell though, if a baddie killed his own teammate and then used another teammate to rez him and somewhat clear him.

Considering Wilgy's role, and this post before he died, I'd say a lynch of the llama, Tranq or Bea would be wise to look at. I'll examine the status of those three.

Turnip Head wrote:

timmer wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace Wilgy and SVS.

I'm registering a vote for bea for now. Her long and thoughtful catch-up posts each night have gone the way of the dodo and I'm worried she's been recruited.

If Bea has been recruited, how does that make her bad? What is your opinion on recent events?

It's bea's lack of content that makes me think she's bad, it's the change from her earlier play style that makes me think she was recruited. I wouldn't have brought her up if I thought she was civ, but honestly recruits of any kind are my enemy right now, so

Which recent events are you referring to?

The Wilgy lynch, the short night, the SVS death. You know, the last bunch of things that happened. You were in position to benefit from the closed thread and the sudden move to Synonym, so I'd curious to hear your thoughts on things.

Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace Wilgy and SVS.

I'm registering a vote for bea for now. Her long and thoughtful catch-up posts each night have gone the way of the dodo and I'm worried she's been recruited.

If Bea has been recruited, how does that make her bad? What is your opinion on recent events?

DharmaHelper wrote:It doesn't look great for poor Synonym.

Or TH for that matter.

voting synonym, though, because yeah.

I am a little surprised at how many people are voting for someone who may be silenced. Makes mE feel much better about my vote for TH.

I'm down for lynching TH. Lots of good points being made.

Voting TH for now

Scotty, I read and also came to the conclusion that Ubbz made a weird choice last night (though I won't call him an idiot, lol?). I'm not going to expand much on why I feel that way, but I think I'm starting to get a bit of a handle on certain people in this game. I'm going to reset my opinion on a few players and see who pushes what for now, but after work tomorrow I'll maybe start to do some pushing of my own.

That's a messed up lynch result.

DharmaHelper wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

timmer wrote:Oh, no no, you misunderstand me, I think. I have no idea if DH is to be trusted about you at ALL. But he's obviously being insistent and blundered about it. I see it two ways.

1. A civ DH would not do this to you unless he knew you were bad.
2. A baddie DH would do this to you for just about any reason he felt like.

I can't see one option being more likely, but at least your status would suggest likelihood in regards to him.

But he has done it to me as a civ. That was why I mentioned Gotham. I just wanted to make sure you were not implying that you thought he had info. Becasue he can't, but even if it were possible, DH would not do the whole "wink wink nudge nudge" info thing. This is a gut read, which i respect, since this is how I play as well. Although I think he maybe needs some maalox, his gut is off .

I refer you to RMIII, wherein my gut destroyed a majority of the baddies and nobody would listen to me.

Hmm, this long history muddies everything. So he's pushed this hard against you as a civ on nothing but gut, and been wrong, but he's also done this and been right. Admittedly, this is too complicated for me to be throwing generalizations around, I guess.

How about we just lynch TL?

Sorry, TL, not TH. I'm doing four things at once.

S~V~S wrote:Isn't that throwing the baby out with the bathwater?

Like I said, I was liking your game and don't want to see you go, or Wilgy, for that matter. But my reasons for wanting you to stay are the same as my reasons for wanting Canuckle, DH and the others I've mentioned before to stay; you seem to be playing honest. But it's all alignment-neutral at the end of the day, and I'm well aware of that. We are all going to be recruited eventually, and I don't see you as the type to only apply for civviedom, so I cannot say that you, or Wilgy are really playing like civs. But just that you are playing in a style I'm digging. So no, I'd only call it the baby and the bath water if I had an alignment read on you and it matched my own eventual one.

i hope that makes sense?

ETA: No, again, I'm not advocating your lynch at all. I'd rather see TH go. I'd still like to see people move their votes in that direction, please.

Oh, no no, you misunderstand me, I think. I have no idea if DH is to be trusted about you at ALL. But he's obviously being insistent and blundered about it. I see it two ways.

1. A civ DH would not do this to you unless he knew you were bad.
2. A baddie DH would do this to you for just about any reason he felt like.

I can't see one option being more likely, but at least your status would suggest likelihood in regards to him.

S~V~S wrote:Why?

Why which? The part about not minding your lynch?

Frankly, I don't want to see either you or Wilgy go, but it seems a bit likely that one of you will, so I'm looking at the situation from the assumption that one of you is toast. A Wilgy lynch wouldn't tell us as much about the players still living after his death as an SVS lynch would, is all. I don't want you guys to die. I think a TH lynch makes more sense; SD's points are quite salient IMO.

But if it's going to be one of you or Wilgy, at least if you go, we can figure out DH. That's all I'm saying, you must see the logic in it. For the record, I'm not suggesting people swing their vote to you, i don't actually wish to see you leave this game, really. I'm just saying that I'm okay with how the lynch seems to be playing out.

Sorsha wrote:Ok, one of the players to vote for bubbles on day 4 when it didn't matter and then NOT vote for her on day 5 when it did matter is Timmer.
(Voted Golden day 3)

Now you think bubbles wasn’t on team Uzi? And that last line in this last post can pretty much apply to yourself. You are all over the place in regards to the bubbles lynch switch and the team uzi itself. These posts are literally only minutes apart.

@Sorsha, you make good points, actually. In regards to Bubbles, the reason you see a dichotomy is that I was combining my main thrust in the game (vote for people who seem disingenuous) with commentary on the game from the pov of those who are playing more traditionally. So basically, I was looking at it from two ways simultaneously.

In regards to this lynch, I'm curious to see how Wilgy shakes out if he gets lynched. I've kind of given him a pass because he fits my group of people who seem to be playing in a genuine way. I'd also like to point out that while I am also giving SVS a pass for the same reason, DH's continued insistence about her makes me wonder if perhaps an SVS lynch would be an informative move. If she flipped unrecruited, I would declare that DH is a baddie. If, however, she flipped baddie, it would bolster DH's credentials. It would potentially bust the game open.

So I'm happy either way, is my point.

Ricochet wrote:

timmer wrote:@Rico, I feel like I've been pretty up front about the way I'm playing this game Now that we've lost a baddie from Ub's team, I don't want to be recruited to that team, as they are clearly weakened, so it makes sense to actually go after people who might be on that team. In this format, once you're down, you're just not sexy anymore. So yeah, I'll absolutely jump onto a case that shows a possible Ub teammate, there's no hesitation. But when I've got the time to, I'll still pull together my own shit and present it, it's not like this format means people shouldn't try.

Did you want to be recruited by Ubz40 before, but don't now that they got hit? You say we've lost a baddie. Who's we? Is it a loss for anyone except the Uzzis?

I've been trying to get recruited to whoever will take me, but now Ubby and his team seem weak so why go there? As for my "we" it was obviously "the game" . Keep pressing, lol.

@Rico, I feel like I've been pretty up front about the way I'm playing this game Now that we've lost a baddie from Ub's team, I don't want to be recruited to that team, as they are clearly weakened, so it makes sense to actually go after people who might be on that team. In this format, once you're down, you're just not sexy anymore. So yeah, I'll absolutely jump onto a case that shows a possible Ub teammate, there's no hesitation. But when I've got the time to, I'll still pull together my own shit and present it, it's not like this format means people shouldn't try.

I like it, SD. I like it a lot. For now, coring llama

LoRab wrote:

timmer wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Caelia wrote:Bullzeye, SVS, Lorab and Scotty are enemies of peace.

Anyone figure this is the result of last night's contest? If so, going by the rules of the contest this should be legit right? Only, with so many names, does this constitute an entire baddie team, theoretically? OR Is this Jay one name from each faction that isn't Caelias? In short what does it all mean? ??

That doesn't add up. The entries for the contest were due at the end of night, so the winner would not have known before then or had any information before then. I assume that Caelia had to have her power in by the end of the night period, as is traditional for night powers.

I think it is speculation.

Hmm, it's an interesting point. Was last night position 4? That WOULD put Caelia into her "send a msg" spot, so you're suggesting maybe she actually borrowed the terminology of the contest to try to make her point more forceful and dupe people (like le moi)? Now now Caelia... I'll take that as a strong point in your favour, LoRab, you are right. It would seem that technically there should not have been enough time to get the results of the contest AND submit the message, if both were due at night's end.

Black Rock wrote:

Caelia wrote:Bullzeye, SVS, Lorab and Scotty are enemies of peace.

Anyone figure this is the result of last night's contest? If so, going by the rules of the contest this should be legit right? Only, with so many names, does this constitute an entire baddie team, theoretically? OR Is this Jay one name from each faction that isn't Caelias? In short what does it all mean? ??

DharmaHelper wrote:

timmer wrote:Bea, no one in this game sucks. Well, maybe DP. But not you.

Regarding Bubbles, I would look more towards the people supporting Bubbles earlier in the game than later on to truly find her teamies.

Earlier? You think Tiny was an early recruit? A Founding member?

Hard to say how early to go back. I don't have the time, but others can track back to each moment it was announced that Ubby recruited and then search for people who seemed to start giving Bubbles a pass soon after. As for Bubbles being the first recruit? If Ubby was going for a team of quiet, out of the way players as a strategy? I could maybe see it? Let's say Ubby is a newer player to the site maybe, doesn't have the history... Bubbles may have been picked up early, but I'd bank more on the later, anonymous entry type recruitments.

DrWilgy wrote:

timmer wrote:Bea, no one in this game sucks. Well, maybe DP. But not you.

...You forgot someone timmer.

Oh God, we're not hopping on the Pity Train, are we?

Bea, no one in this game sucks. Well, maybe DP. But not you.

Regarding Bubbles, I would look more towards the people supporting Bubbles earlier in the game than later on to truly find her teamies.

DharmaHelper wrote:Does Doc Wiggles look bad after this result?

I certainly would think so.

DrWilgy wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

timmer wrote:@Wilgy, I'm not sure I agree with your stance on unfurl/Bubbles. I'm not saying you are necessarily wrong, but that you are tuned in too heavily on one possibility.

Looking back, we were in position 2, so yes, Ubzargan had a lynch switch to use. So yes, it seems likely that he caused unfurl's death. But it's to what END where I am not sure you are right.

But Timmer, I'm never wrong.

Goddammit

DrWilgy wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

timmer wrote:@Wilgy, I'm not sure I agree with your stance on unfurl/Bubbles. I'm not saying you are necessarily wrong, but that you are tuned in too heavily on one possibility.

Looking back, we were in position 2, so yes, Ubzargan had a lynch switch to use. So yes, it seems likely that he caused unfurl's death. But it's to what END where I am not sure you are right.

But Timmer, I'm never wrong.

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DharmaHelper wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

bea wrote:so um...that was a really nice catch. maybe it is so maybe not I'm pretty sure dh isn't allowed to confirm it.

Thanks! But if I caught something it was by accident.

Am I in a soundproof bubble?

What?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I'm not being forced by the hunger to promote an SVS lynch.

Is that a thing? I just picked a word that appealed to me.

That's a little bit of a stretch, homie. the instant I saw you emphasize the word starved I had to go check if we were on a hunger day, that's how much you didn't just pick a word. Whatchoo up to?

S~V~S wrote:Day one there was a 12 or 13 player tie I think.

Oh that?

Wilgy, so your case is three points, one of which is that SVS likes being bad (WTF?) and one of which is that she is one of a ton of people who didn't die from a hugely tied lynch? And this is because you assume one of them was Ubby? What about Terras protecting all Guardians that day?

If that's your case, I'm moving' on, sorry dude.

DrWilgy wrote:

timmer wrote:So Doc, talk to me about your vote on SVS. What's your reasoning? I caught DH's thoughts, but I don't recall yours.

I'm not going to type out everything again, here's the short and simple version.
1. Past history shows SVS has a thing for being a baddie
2. SVS was one of the leaders in lynching Golden
3. SVS was one of the players who survived day 1, meaning they had immunity (Ububuzagoon)

Survived what? I don't recall her being up for lynch or NK?

I'll follow you for now, aapje. No reason to support complete apathy.

vote moved to DP

So Doc, talk to me about your vote on SVS. What's your reasoning? I caught DH's thoughts, but I don't recall yours.

DrWilgy wrote: But Timmer, I'm never wrong.