The Syndicate

Congratulations town and thank you SVS for being so good at this game! Thank you hosts, so much, this was fun!

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:30 pm Another point; if it was anyone but Daisy they would have killed me to frame Daisy.

This^^

I have a question about mountainous games, if anyone can help me with this. Is there any possibility of an unknown wolf in this game? Like a secret thing where someone becomes mafia if they achieve some goal, or somesuch? I heard about a recent game with a secret wolf, so I didn’t know if that was a possibility in a mountainous game

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:20 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:01 pm RIP Dennis. This kind of opens a whole new can of worms.
1- Strings made a nub mistake. I don’t think so but maybe
2- Dennis mentioned possibly moving his vote to Daisy because she was his next suspicion. But he wasn’t really a threat to her.
3- Mac was trying to set Strings up as the next elim. Lol
4- someone took advantage of Mac’s late in the day push against Strings, to make Mac look bad?
What other angles am I missing?

Regarding 3. Why would I even need to make a Dennis kill in order to do that? I'd just kill SVS or Daisy and everyone would likely just comply lol.

Also why the hell do I need to set him up anyway? SVS just pushes Daisy over here and SixStrings goes down with ease.

Number 4 sounds like you describing your thought process actually.

All four points were just my thought process, as in trying to think up what everyone might suggest as reasons for killing Dennis. I lol’d number 3 because I have the feeling you would never be so obvious as to try something like that.

RIP Dennis. This kind of opens a whole new can of worms.
1- Strings made a nub mistake. I don’t think so but maybe
2- Dennis mentioned possibly moving his vote to Daisy because she was his next suspicion. But he wasn’t really a threat to her.
3- Mac was trying to set Strings up as the next elim. Lol
4- someone took advantage of Mac’s late in the day push against Strings, to make Mac look bad?
What other angles am I missing?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:24 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:00 pm @DrWilgy does the new way of playing stick to a cycle? Do you not go back and look at whole game behaviors when evaluating a player? Or are people just judged by what they’re doing today?
Sometimes a person can say something early in a game that is reasonably innocent sounding but a few days later, it can look very bad.

I'm not entirely sure what you are asking.

Are you asking if my opinion of you is day to day static? If so no, that would be silly.

No, you questioned why I was looking up something from an earlier cycle, when I didn’t mention it during the earlier cycle. That confused me because I’m used to constantly reassessing things from the entire game. So I wasn’t sure what you were meant.

@DrWilgy does the new way of playing stick to a cycle? Do you not go back and look at whole game behaviors when evaluating a player? Or are people just judged by what they’re doing today?
Sometimes a person can say something early in a game that is reasonably innocent sounding but a few days later, it can look very bad.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:28 pm I would be very surprised if Mac was bad. When we had that thing N0/D1 where he dangled bait and I bit, he felt genuine. He listened to what I said, and he let me off his hook. He felt like he was engaging in good faith.

There’s no reason for him to have done that if bad.

Thank you for that. If I keep playing games, I might eventually become more familiar with player’s town metas, but for now, I’m just having to look at things from an oldie(classic game) pov. I’m struggling a bit here

This was the post I was remembering but I couldn’t remember the timing of his post, whether it was before or after Sig’s slip. I kept thinking this followed the slip, but I was wrong. Sig hadn’t even slipped yet, so there is no connection and once again, my over-thinking produced zilch. It did give me a chance to reread Mac though and I’m back to square 1 on him. Sometimes he looked a bit wolfy, and other times I was on the same wavelength he was.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:29 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:26 pm You know my Mac vote did start off as a joke, but the longer he stays on me for no good reason the less I’m thinking it’s a joke vote and the more I’m thinking it’s a serious one.


Having said that I’m much to lazy to actually try to get him voted off this phase

Your flaccid attempts to persuade me to unvote me by threatening to maybe scumread me have given me a great deal of humour thank you.

@Dennis there was a post where Mac was just jokey posting with Sig, and it just looked like an honest mistake. But I thought that it happened after Sig had made his slip, which he claimed was an honest mistake. I don’t have time until the afternoon to go through his posts so I will paraphrase a bit here. Mac said something like this: you can’t guilt me into unvoting me so … yada yada. Like he should have said ‘into unvoting you’. Simple mistake, but weird all the same. Because I worked as a proofreader for four years, I can’t help seeing typos and mistakes. But I just kind of ignore them because it’s not my job to correct someone anymore. Ok, my point was that Mac used some very tricky maneuvers on day 1, first with Neon, who said “I thought you were the one person who would see my town game” ( something like that). In hindsight, her saying that means more now than it did then. It just occurred to me that if Mac was wolf, he may have planted a ‘mistake’ hoping someone would comment, and then create doubt about whether Sig slipped or whether he just made a mistake. I know- I overthink everything and usually come up with zilch. As soon as I’m done babysitting for the day, I’ll find the post, but I hope I’m being clear here. It’s hard when I’m playing avengers with a three year old, to organize my thoughts. I’m just still worried about the things Mac did on day 1, and I want to analyze it a bit more.

@DrWilgy I may be agreeing with the views of others, but I also disagree with some things. If I agree with someone, I still do my own research before committing. I did question Mac and I waited for the explanation post he had said he was going to make. My thoughts at the time were ‘he’s either brave and genius town, or he’s really slippery’. I still am not sure what I think about Mac. I’d like to trust him, but I’m not all the way there. I can see his actions as either affiliation.

Ok, good. I’m still looking at Daisy, but I’m going to reread Mac today. He had a mistake in one of his posts that was not a slip, it was just a mistake. But it occurred after Sig’s slip, while jokey posting with Sig. I’ll find it later. Idk, it just seemed too convenient, but maybe wasn’t fake. But combined with his trickiness all day 1, I just want to look there again and see if I can rest my mind.

Is the thread locked?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 3:17 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 3:00 pm Something has been urking me regarding the Kate kill

People are saying I never kill Kate here, cause she was townreading me. But fmpov that is the PERFECT time to kill her in a wolf Dennis world. 1. She's supa obvi town cause she just stomped out sig and 2. It's sooner rather than later that my mafia God mother is gonna be able to catch me, so I get her out of the way then and cement her reads, giving me credit

Unless the way I'm thinking about this is flawed I think the "Dennis doesn't kill Kate here" is a little weird

Let us never forget the day young Dennis thought of the word "irked" and thought ..."Nah"

this may be the most polite grammar policing I’ve ever seen

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 3:01 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:52 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:48 pm I just reread my previous post and the last sentence was worded badly. To clear it up, what I meant was that I don’t think Kate mentioning Mac or Falcon meant anything bad. Certainly nothing that would make them want to kill her.
But I feel like someone was afraid she would be able to read them. And that is what I hope to see some discussion about.

Kate led the charge on flipping sig, so that undoubtedly played a factor. It made her as lock town as you can possibly get







There's not really a great mystery there IMO

This ^^

I should catch up before posting since there is no linki, but I want to say this before I forget. I don’t think Kate was killed because she was obvitown, I think someone she didn’t mention much, or at all, killed her first night, before she would have a chance to read them. Which is why I’m looking at her POE, because they weren’t cleared as town, and there was no real suspicion against them yet. Idk, they were just her gray zone, so maybe one of them thought they needed her gone before she took a hard look at them. This is just how I’m looking at it, it may mean nothing.

I just reread my previous post and the last sentence was worded badly. To clear it up, what I meant was that I don’t think Kate mentioning Mac or Falcon meant anything bad. Certainly nothing that would make them want to kill her.
But I feel like someone was afraid she would be able to read them. And that is what I hope to see some discussion about.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:42 am I'm gonna reply to this inline with Pedantic Pink becasue it's prolly closer to reality than Sarcastic Orange. I really miss that we don't really use inline colors anymore.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:36 am

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S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:16 am

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Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:41 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:36 pm

Would be good though.

Yeah but I'd also have to go live in ISOs and I do not desire to do that.

I probably talked about it when it happened.

If I didn't than like *shrugs* sometimes I don't want to reveal my hand

It isn't helpful to town cohesiveness to be so vehemetly dismissive of a polite request without at least stating why.

*shrugs*

All righty then.

Look, Neon. I was trying to find common ground with you because I found you towny earlier; in my vote post, that's why I voted for sig, not you. But I found it hard to move past your joining sig on his last minute Wilgy Wagon attempt. I have more reasons for thinking many here are good rather than bad. I was hoping we could find some common ground., so i asked you why you townread the two people I am conflicted on.

I was hoping to understand your position, and also help to inform my own, not force you to do something you loathe.

I wish every game had only 11 people in it, lol. And that I know most of them well enough, and there isn't anyone I've never played with, it's so much easier to have actual opinions.

This is where I'm at,

Dennis- town
Dr Wigly- town
falcon45ca- lean town
MacDougall- Town
Matahari- leans someway, could be that I am always paranoid of Matahari. It's not that I disagreed with much of what she's said (and whether or not someone agrees with me isn't AI), it's that I don't particularly understand it. Like this vote post,

Matahari wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:09 pm I made a list of possible teammates while rereading the thread again, and Neon’s name came up more often than Sigs did. Well, she was on one more team than Sig. I’m going to put my vote on her for now, unless something major happens to change my mind.
[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Neon- lean bad
SixStrings-lean town, but not for reasons of anything he's done. I doubt anyone busses their wife, who is their only teammate, in a game she loves, when they themselves are not very invested. This would not end well for him.
Spacedaisy-leans ???; very smooth well crafted posts. Daisy always feels level and even to me. I will say in rereading her, this felt very wiggly to me, almost as if she was positioning herself to justify a vote for either Neon or Dennis with this post, depending on how the thread played out.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:06 pm
I feel like there was something between Neon and Dennis that felt off to me, but I can’t remember what. I’ll try to go back to find that after I get done working. I may or may not be back in today, Monday is the day I try to stuff in as much work as I can because it’s the last day of the pay period. I make no promises about my involvement in Tuesday afternoon.

I can see why it would make that impression, but no it was one of the two but I just couldn't remember what it is and I'll have to go back and even see if I can find it again or if it's just lost to deep recesses of my brain where lots of things get swallowed up, like remembering to get into the thread because I've foolishly chosen to play a game.

Reply here got sucked into the prior post. I think if there was something in the back of your mind that might be important, and you were, as you say, forgetful in general, you would go find it.

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S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:28 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:51 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:49 pm Why would he kill you? You are a necessary miselim?

Because I'm tunneled and I intentionally was trying to make it look like a tunnel I'd never leave to scare him into killing me.

Like Dennis is new. And alone now right.

Nobody is holding his hand telling him who to kill

I don't think Dennis would need his hand held, EXCEPT in the case of who was killed last night. I could 100% visualize Dennis with teammates killing Kate, since there would have been a group discussion around it. I am not so sure I see solo baddie Dennis NKing a Kate who is stalwartly defending him.

Mind meld. I was literally thinking why would Dennis kill Kate when she was defending him? That doesn't look to me like a solo Dennis kill. I think it actually is a better look for him being possible town.

You list Six Strings as one of your POE. Do you also think he might, as a nub that prolly got cajoled and wheedled into this game, and had never played before, as a solo baddie, kill Kate Night One?

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S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:02 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:51 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:15 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:10 pm @falcon45ca why would you think it’s hypocritical or gross? Trying to weigh all interpretations and all sides of a situation (basically overthinking) in order to be as fair as possible, doesn’t seem gross to me. Please explain what you think is gross?

So what are your actual reads then?






If you're actually considering all sides of the situation and entertaining the legitimacy of them, then surely you must see how to town there's gonna be the appearance of hypocrisy

My reads will change from day to day, as thread info comes in.
As of right now, I have as probable town: SVS, Dennis, Daisy, and I’m keeping Strings in this group for the time being, even without much info to go on. He’s new and I hope he gets enough time to enjoy playing.
Everyone else is just in a gray area right now. I don’t hardcore suspect anyone but not sure if anyone in this group is town either. I need to see more from them.
Yesterday, I did suspect Neon a bit, but I think maybe I’m just not used to her posting style, and I am trying to be fair. I want to wait a bit and try to see if I can understand her pov.
I also had doubts about Mac towards the end of day 1, but I could also see how a civ might change their mind and try to get people to ‘re-open the case’. I’ve done this before so I need to think on this some more.
At this point, I would really like to see what everyone thinks about everyone.

People I'm Not voting for:

Wilgy, Dennis, Mac, Six

People I Would Need convincing to vote for:

Falcon and Now (ALL NEW!) Matahari

People I could consider pending input:

Daisy, that one post was so well crafted to leave her options open.

And I already voted for Neon, but I'm not married to that. I felt good about her until the end of the day, and the way she went for Dennis overnight. I have to read her and Macs interactions. Also sig interactions, I started doing that this AM, but never finished becasue work (boo hiss).

What are you seeing about Daisy that I am not? That one post I quoted earlier, about Neon and Dennis ... that keeps poking at the back of my mind.

I love that you call me well crafted and I can't recall what the other word is. You really are obsessing over nothing. I'm a stream of consciousness kind of poster. If I think it, I'm going to post it. If I don't post it, I might forget it. Case in point, I still haven't gone back to see if I can figure out what was niggling at me. It might not even have been anything, I literally can't remember. I don't know if you were around when my brain got sabotaged by my thyroid, but my memory is like swiss cheese these days, But I do love the idea that you think I'm that slick. Once I get done I will go back and look for that thing.

See prior post, I thought the point was important enough to pull it out.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:08 pm Any half assed sig votes that stay there need to be viewed as just likely town given that any of them could have just as easily half assed voted for Neon and achieved significantly better results lol.

There is simply no need to bus.

Mind meld. I think the only vote on there I don't trust is Neon.

Maybe you (and everyone else) need to reread her day yesterday. I think half of what she says is NAI, and the other half doesn't sound even remotely wolfy to me.

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S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:02 pm @Matahari It's really only those two posts. The one for sig, where she kinda shaded Neon a bit too, to possibly leave her room to move her vote safely should the thread allow later. And her last post, where she thinks theres "something" hinky about Neon v Dennis, but she doesn't quite recall what, in a multi quote post, again leaving room to go either way plausibly. Otherwise, they are pretty level and unassuming.

Super well crafted posts.

If I was setting myself up to move my vote, why didn't I? This makes no sense. I never would have moved to neon because my biggest suspicion of Neon at the time was based on how sig would flip. Why would I vote Neon first? You have some conf bias going on, I have not been excessively waffling.

Because, based on your post times, you did not come back until about an hour before day ended. At that time, it was tied, you asked the hosts how ties were handled, and appear to have left again. The thread was jumping and making a major move like that would have looked supabad imo. Look how much suspish Neon took for it, and as one of the potential yeetees, it would have been understandable from her. So you didn't do it. Sig made a "thanks for nothing" post , and you were gone again. And I came into Day Two SURE Neon was bad, I changed my mind midday, after watching her post, so not sure how that would be "confbias" or whatever jargon. I think you have been waffling, not sure about 'excessively', but definitely waffling.

And it makes sense to me


Ok, I'm off to see whatever it was.

Bravo. I feel this post, and I wish I still had the gut/intuition I used to have. I’ve been rereading Kate’s posts and Daisy was in her POE, plus, on day 1, Daisy would still have been considered a low poster. Those two things by themselves are not damning, but in light of your catch, and those two things, I will vote Daisy today. It could change, if something glaring happens.
Stating the obvious, someone was afraid of Kate. Otherwise, why kill her? In rereading her, she didn’t say anyone else was suspicious. There was a casual mention of Mac being a common point in her and Dr. Wilgy’s POEs, and a post saying she was going to ISO Falcon. She never came back with her thoughts on him though. These things don’t look great, it’s still not conclusive of anything, but worth mentioning for possible discussion.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:14 pm @Matahari I wanted to explain it in more detail but I got home from work yesterday and passed out and now have to go to work and am phone posting.

Essentially I read both sig and Neon as wolf off very early posts. You can see my issue with sig came more from his illogical push on me for suggesting I had a wolfread. Neon was because she just felt super uncomfortable entering the thread. I also don't think I was being very towny and her townread on me felt way overexaggerated.

I also thought they were trying to play mind games with me when sig accused me of pocketing Neon, I just felt like he was projecting the reality which was that Neon was pocketing me.

Instead of just dropping the Neon scumread I decided to townread her for bad reasons because I felt like if she was town it would make her sus of me. I directly plead with her to vote sig with me. Instead of being sus on me, she started to dismiss my reads (town on Dennis, scum on Sig) while maintaining that I was lock town. This felt irrational as town Neon tends to sheep me. Obviously her reaction to my request to vote sig now looks even worse.

She then did in fact vote him for something odd before unvoting pretty quick and moving away from focusing on sig until forced to at eod. I then baited them both again by dropping my Wilgy scumread.

Thank you for taking the time to do this, I understand a little better how you solve now.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:47 pm I'm going to vote Daisy now, Neon sounds very sincere. Since this seems to be my windmill to tilt at, I presume Daisy will be back sometime before EOD, because I dislike voting for people not here to defend.

[VOTE: Daisy] aubergine

She's waffling all over the place.

I’ll reread her, you are seeing something I missed if you’re voting there.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:02 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:51 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:15 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:10 pm @falcon45ca why would you think it’s hypocritical or gross? Trying to weigh all interpretations and all sides of a situation (basically overthinking) in order to be as fair as possible, doesn’t seem gross to me. Please explain what you think is gross?

So what are your actual reads then?






If you're actually considering all sides of the situation and entertaining the legitimacy of them, then surely you must see how to town there's gonna be the appearance of hypocrisy

My reads will change from day to day, as thread info comes in.
As of right now, I have as probable town: SVS, Dennis, Daisy, and I’m keeping Strings in this group for the time being, even without much info to go on. He’s new and I hope he gets enough time to enjoy playing.
Everyone else is just in a gray area right now. I don’t hardcore suspect anyone but not sure if anyone in this group is town either. I need to see more from them.
Yesterday, I did suspect Neon a bit, but I think maybe I’m just not used to her posting style, and I am trying to be fair. I want to wait a bit and try to see if I can understand her pov.
I also had doubts about Mac towards the end of day 1, but I could also see how a civ might change their mind and try to get people to ‘re-open the case’. I’ve done this before so I need to think on this some more.
At this point, I would really like to see what everyone thinks about everyone.

People I'm Not voting for:

Wilgy, Dennis, Mac, Six

People I Would Need convincing to vote for:

Falcon and Now (ALL NEW!) Matahari

People I could consider pending input:

Daisy, that one post was so well crafted to leave her options open.

And I already voted for Neon, but I'm not married to that. I felt good about her until the end of the day, and the way she went for Dennis overnight. I have to read her and Macs interactions. Also sig interactions, I started doing that this AM, but never finished becasue work (boo hiss).

What are you seeing about Daisy that I am not? That one post I quoted earlier, about Neon and Dennis ... that keeps poking at the back of my mind.

Daisy voted Sig kind of late in the day, but the votes between Neon and Sig were staying really close. I don’t think if they were a team, that there was any need for her to bus him, she could still have put her vote on Neon, or just conveniently missed the vote. I could be wrong, it’s just a gut feeling so far.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:23 pm *You* meaning Matahari, not Falcon. I meant to quote her original post and got a reply instead.

@Matahari I replied to you ^^ previous post to this.

Thank you, I read it.
Which game was LGM?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:15 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:10 pm @falcon45ca why would you think it’s hypocritical or gross? Trying to weigh all interpretations and all sides of a situation (basically overthinking) in order to be as fair as possible, doesn’t seem gross to me. Please explain what you think is gross?

So what are your actual reads then?






If you're actually considering all sides of the situation and entertaining the legitimacy of them, then surely you must see how to town there's gonna be the appearance of hypocrisy

My reads will change from day to day, as thread info comes in.
As of right now, I have as probable town: SVS, Dennis, Daisy, and I’m keeping Strings in this group for the time being, even without much info to go on. He’s new and I hope he gets enough time to enjoy playing.
Everyone else is just in a gray area right now. I don’t hardcore suspect anyone but not sure if anyone in this group is town either. I need to see more from them.
Yesterday, I did suspect Neon a bit, but I think maybe I’m just not used to her posting style, and I am trying to be fair. I want to wait a bit and try to see if I can understand her pov.
I also had doubts about Mac towards the end of day 1, but I could also see how a civ might change their mind and try to get people to ‘re-open the case’. I’ve done this before so I need to think on this some more.
At this point, I would really like to see what everyone thinks about everyone.

@falcon45ca why would you think it’s hypocritical or gross? Trying to weigh all interpretations and all sides of a situation (basically overthinking) in order to be as fair as possible, doesn’t seem gross to me. Please explain what you think is gross?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:16 am

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Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:41 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:36 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:00 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:30 pm

Can you point out why you think so? Specific posts?

No.

Would be good though.

Yeah but I'd also have to go live in ISOs and I do not desire to do that.

I probably talked about it when it happened.

If I didn't than like *shrugs* sometimes I don't want to reveal my hand

It isn't helpful to town cohesiveness to be so vehemetly dismissive of a polite request without at least stating why.

*shrugs*

All righty then.

Look, Neon. I was trying to find common ground with you because I found you towny earlier; in my vote post, that's why I voted for sig, not you. But I found it hard to move past your joining sig on his last minute Wilgy Wagon attempt. I have more reasons for thinking many here are good rather than bad. I was hoping we could find some common ground., so i asked you why you townread the two people I am conflicted on.

I was hoping to understand your position, and also help to inform my own, not force you to do something you loathe.

I wish every game had only 11 people in it, lol. And that I know most of them well enough, and there isn't anyone I've never played with, it's so much easier to have actual opinions.

This is where I'm at,

Dennis- town
Dr Wigly- town
falcon45ca- lean town
MacDougall- Town
Matahari- leans someway, could be that I am always paranoid of Matahari. It's not that I disagreed with much of what she's said (and whether or not someone agrees with me isn't AI), it's that I don't particularly understand it. Like this vote post,

Matahari wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:09 pm I made a list of possible teammates while rereading the thread again, and Neon’s name came up more often than Sigs did. Well, she was on one more team than Sig. I’m going to put my vote on her for now, unless something major happens to change my mind.
[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Neon- lean bad
SixStrings-lean town, but not for reasons of anything he's done. I doubt anyone busses their wife, who is their only teammate, in a game she loves, when they themselves are not very invested. This would not end well for him.
Spacedaisy-leans ???; very smooth well crafted posts. Daisy always feels level and even to me. I will say in rereading her, this felt very wiggly to me, almost as if she was positioning herself to justify a vote for either Neon or Dennis with this post, depending on how the thread played out.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:06 pm
I feel like there was something between Neon and Dennis that felt off to me, but I can’t remember what. I’ll try to go back to find that after I get done working. I may or may not be back in today, Monday is the day I try to stuff in as much work as I can because it’s the last day of the pay period. I make no promises about my involvement in Tuesday afternoon.

@DrWilgy also questioned this post of mine and I didn’t have time last night to address it, but I was going to answer him today, so this is for both of you and anyone else who might have wondered what I meant. When I’m looking at possible suspects, I try to see if their interactions with other players seem suspicious (I used to call it ‘making connections’ but it’s basically what everyone does when they read interactions between players. So I make lists of possible teams and this is what I came up with:

Sig/Neon
Sig/Wilgy or Falcon (Wilgy because his questioning of Sig seemed softball; but possibly he is just very polite, and Falcon because he early voted Sig, but changed to Neon later without much explanation.

Neon /Sig
Neon/Dennis (early on, I thought her weak case on Dennis could have been an attempt to distance.
Neon/Wilgy or falcon (again, it was early on and I changed my mind throughout the day
Neon/Mac- this was a stretch, and added on later in the day when I briefly thought maybe they had been working together and then suddenly both started backing off Sig like they didn’t want to be associated with a possible towny Sig getting lynched on day 1?? This was definitely a stretch, but I’ve seen wolf teams pull off some weird stuff before. Anyway that suspicion was fairly brief.
I had hoped this list might give me a stronger feeling about whether Sig or Neon was bad, or both of them. I ultimately decided that they were a probable team. That is not how I feel today though. I’m waiting for Mac to post his detailed reasoning for his actions yesterday (he said he was going to do this) because Sig/Mac could also be a possibility.
I hope this wasn’t confusing, I’m an over thinker for sure. I’ll try to post more throughout the day but it’s difficult because I’m babysitting.

RIP Kate

I don’t believe that SVS or Dennis (and probably Strings) would have killed Kate if they were bad. Maybe later, but not on the first night.
That leaves everyone else in my POE, which I don’t remember exactly what that stands for in spite of being told a few times. Elimination, I remember.
At this point, I would vote for Neon, or possibly Mac, unless someone does something more conclusive. I don’t think Neon’s case on Dennis even qualifies as a case.
As far as Mac goes, I didn’t like his 11th hour turnabout, and I reread the game to try and see it in a better light but I just don’t.

Wow, that’s impressive Kate!
I chose beach hut, because I miss living near a beach.

I made a list of possible teammates while rereading the thread again, and Neon’s name came up more often than Sigs did. Well, she was on one more team than Sig. I’m going to put my vote on her for now, unless something major happens to change my mind.
[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:56 pm I'm hoping we can put the list thing to bed. Sig, who I suspected, suddenly wanted to look at low posters. I ss'd the low posters (everyone above who I included had 17+ posts which wasn't low at that point). Of the people on the list, the majority were hosts, non players or first time players. THAT WAS EXACTLY the point I was making. Why did sig want to jump to looking to low posters and to make it worse, there weren't really any low posters to look at...

When Sig first mentioned looking at low posters, I didn’t think anything much about it. I remembered he mentioned low posters early in the anniversary game (game1), so I assumed he was just one of the players who suspects slankers. I went back through the anniversary game and read his posts. He did mention low posters early, but in the negative, he didn’t think it was good to look at them so early in the game.
It didn’t really tell me anything, but I am more open to your pov on Sig now.

Thank you for the answers I got earlier today, it helped me to understand a few things better. I may try an early vote sometime.
I’m still confused though as to who I should vote. I’ve had 2 suspicions, and I’m doubting myself on one of them.
So, I noticed Neon was completely different than in the only other game I’ve seen her in, where she was town. When MacDougall, who I think is town, said he kind of thought Neon was town, I let it go. Then he said he was sure she was wolf and I felt kind of relieved, like maybe my spidey senses aren’t completely fried yet.
But my other suspicion is the one I’m really baffled about. I don’t think Kate is town, but everyone else does. Well, except Sig, but that’s a whole other issue. I’m trying to keep an open mind and tell myself I’m reading her wrong, that I’ve not played with her enough lately to make a good judgement call, but Kate, you just don’t seem like your town self to me.
I thought the way you voted Sig showed nervousness. Like your first reason wasn’t good enough, so you had to give a second reason right away, and it just felt like you were nervous. And since then, you’ve seemed over eager/over confident? Maybe you’re just really happy to be playing and very sure you’ve caught a wolf. Idk. Anyway, I’m the only one suspecting you, so I hope I’m wrong. Of course, if Sig flips wolf, then I’ll know for sure if I’m reading you wrong.
I have MacDougall, Falcon, Dennis, SVS as probable town for now, and not sure about Daisy yet.

Sherry, I’m sorry to hear your news. My condolences to you and your family.
Proud slanker here. I’m usually pretty quiet during the first two days, but by day 3, I never seem to stop talking.
I’ve played maybe 7 games in the last 6 years that are not classic games, and it still blows my mind the way people throw votes out so early on day 1. I understand that sometimes the votes are just a way to engage a player and get them to talk, but sometimes it’s not. So I’m going to ask a question (hypothetical situation, actually) and I would really like to hear ppl’s thoughts about it. I understand though, if you would prefer not to discuss this, as it might interfere with your personal strategy. Ok, here goes:

The hosts post that there has been a lice outbreak in the nursery/playroom, and everyone has to go home for the day so the room can be decontaminated. Everyone has 1 hour to either vote or abstain. What would you do?

I’d really like to hear what people would do, but again, I understand if you prefer to keep your thought private.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:37 pm The cake is the truth

I’m happy to be playing with old friends and new!
I was learning to play mafia way back when the cake was a lie, so I can’t vote cake. I’m probably going to have to go with pie, because the apples aren’t covered with sea salt caramel sauce.