The Syndicate

Let's take a look at exactly how DDL defended Sloonei, shall we? sanmateo never said a word about him, but he gladly jointly went after LC bandwagoners with him.

I'm confident now. It's Sloonei. I'm 99% sure.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:32 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:25 pm I still think BWT is town based on the way he initially handled this game and his gambit. The fact that he's dropped off the face of the earth lately actually makes me think he's more likely to be town than not as well, knowing him. I'll keep looking though.
I'm not willing to clear him on that initial gambit alone. I agree that it paints him slightly favorably, and I also can't claim to know him nearly as well as you, but that's not a move that would be difficult to fabricate, imo. why does his drop in activity suggest he's town to you?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:49 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:45 pm If you're concerned about the lack of pressure, why aren't you applying it to me and Daisy, or even nutella or BWT?
I'm concerned about the lack of pressure on me. I've looked into you, daisy, and bwt and came up with what I feel are solid reasons to town read all of you.
I'd like to take a closer look at nutella in a few minutes. I have had a busy week and just didn't find time to do it earlier.

You're bad. Literally finding any reason to deflect onto anyone, even if you previously townread or cleared them.

sanmateo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:02 pm
sanmateo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:59 pm
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:22 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:44 pm I felt like Epignosis' reactions were way more suspicious than my reaction to them. I don't understand why you ignore my points about his reactions and just vote for me instead.
How about this for a plan then? We lynch you today for your backtracking. If you flip civ, then we lynch Epig on Day 2 since he was clearly egging you on and trying to start something!
yeah that seems like a terrible plan. none of what i've seen from the epi/LC thing moves me particularly. it's a bunch of tepid day 1 stuff. but more importantly, if getting into weird arguments in-game is really a recurring thing between them, then obviously we need to look elsewhere because anything coming from either of the two about the other one holds less weight.
where else shall we look?
well there's already a bandwagon forming against long con so that seems like a great starting point

Upon reflection, this reads like two teammates talking to each other. Sloonei and sanmateo both made a concerted effort thereafter to hunt LC bandwagoners.

I'll look through sanmateo's posts now, Sloonei, just to see how he treated you overall.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:30 pm POE still leaves me with Dom and Sloonei. There are town reasons to read everyone else.

that should say reasons to town read

POE still leaves me with Dom and Sloonei. There are town reasons to read everyone else.

Looking at Daisy again. She is town. No way she bussed sanmateo and DDL both before one of them was even revealed.

I still think BWT is town based on the way he initially handled this game and his gambit. The fact that he's dropped off the face of the earth lately actually makes me think he's more likely to be town than not as well, knowing him. I'll keep looking though.

Alright, I'll move on for now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:50 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:17 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:35 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:55 pm I'm looking at a sanmateo/DDL teammate pairing with that last post by DDL.
Daisy was on this DDL/sanmateo thing before it was even a thing. Good look, I think. Or a super early busser. I'm gonna go with the former, but not dismiss the latter entirely.
We don't even know DDL's alignment yet. How would this be a good look for me without knowing DDL's alignment already?

I have gotten a bit ahead of myself, but like I explained in the other post, process of elimination has me feeling confident in DDL. He has the most evidence pointed against him of anyone in the thread right now, that I can see. It's possible that I'm succumbing to laziness and prejudice today. But as things stand right now, this game makes the most sense to me if DDL is bad. If he's not, then I have to re-examine it.

That said, even if he is good, you arrived at the conclusion on which the rest of us have settled before anyone else without much notice. If you're bad, that's a pretty slick move on your part either way. I feel like it was a genuine conclusion for you to reach and I believe in the sincerity of your observation.

On reflection, I also think this was an instance where you TMI'd, Sloonei.

I also don't buy any of your explanations that you're calm and collected right now because you don't care about this game. You've put a ton of effort into this game. And I am relentlessly attacking you. You've defended yourself by swatting me away and it's thoroughly unconvincing. You're not responding to my pressure with any investment. It's because you know I'm right.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:17 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:12 pm See, Sloonei, you seem content in turning the conversation on anyone else; now you're including nutella. I don't get the sense that you're trying to figure out who's town.

Earlier you were equivocating Dom, NT, and Serge, yet earlier in the game you had reason to read him town just like I did. Yet today you've conveniently left that out of your rhetoric. I think it's because you're bad.
Of course I'm trying to turn the conversation onto other people. I've narrowed down my list of suspects to a couple of people and instead we're talking about me and things I can't really even answer. Let's talk about these other people instead and then see if I'm still the best candidate. I'm not asking you to forget that I'm here, I'm just asking you to work with me to catch bad guys.

I'd like to look at nutella myself now, I'm gonna be having people over in a couple hours so I don't have much time.

I have been looking at other people, mind you, as we speak.

I think NT is town. You did too, for the same reason, but now you apparently don't anymore. I think that's bullshit. You're desperately trying to get anyone lynched that isn't yourself. You even are contradicting yourself; you want us to look at Dom and nutella now that Serge conveniently came in and self-voted.

You also gave a reason for calling Serge a town read in that post, ironically enough.

Sloonei, you know that everyone else is town.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:36 pm I feel good about NT right now. His reason for voting me makes sense for a first-time player having difficulties, and his feelings reflect a player who does not have access to a Behind The Scenes support group.

Similarly, I'd give a very slight town read to Serge for naming me as a primary suspect just now. I don't think a scum player who's not fully caught up would jump into the thread and throw an unsubstantiated suspicion at somebody with as many posts and as many questions as me when I'm not facing any real pressure.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:42 pm MP looks great for catching sanmateo and driving home the bandewagon against him with Epi.
Daisy looks great for being the first (or one of the first, independently) to point out the sanmateo/DDL relationship.
Birdwithteeth looks good based on some of sanmateo's posts about him early in the game.
I'll have to look into nutella's relationship with DDL and sanmateo more closely, but I vaguely recall seeing something that made her look good.

Dom was on the DDL bandwagon, but he was a latecomer and was not particularly vocal.
Likewise for Serge, but he also receieved some iffy treatment from DDL earlier.
NT is

A convenient change in a read with NT.

I have genuine reasons for suspecting you. I've given them. The speedchuck kill implicates you more than anyone because you had a vested interest in him going away more than me because I hadn't said a word against you before today. DDL defended you aggressively, and he was bad. I've said other things. The fact that you just act like I'm not saying anything and that you're being suspected for no reason makes you look bad.

You're also doing exactly what I always do as bad -- you're asserting over and over again there's no real reason to suspect you this game. That's hogwash.

See, Sloonei, you seem content in turning the conversation on anyone else; now you're including nutella. I don't get the sense that you're trying to figure out who's town.

Earlier you were equivocating Dom, NT, and Serge, yet earlier in the game you had reason to read him town just like I did. Yet today you've conveniently left that out of your rhetoric. I think it's because you're bad.

I also don't get the impression that nutella's thoughts on DDL were bussing. She genuinely thought he was bad and started pursuing him long before anyone else.

There's just no conceivable way nutella is mafia after her posts on N1. She is genuinely pissed off about the lynch not being speedchuck instead of LC and the deadline.

Honestly I wasn't even considering Sloonei but I've been reconsidering him and I really still feel I'm onto something with it.

Digging into nutella and NT's ISOs next.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:01 pm Frankly I am at a point where I need to decide if I think it's Dom or Sloonei, because that is who I am down to.

On the one hand Dom seems to be phoning it in and his question about who didn't want to lynch DDL seemed off to me.

On the other hand Sloonei cleared me based on DDL being bad before DDL flipped.

I am kind of torn honestly.

I'm going to put my vote on Sloonei at the moment because he was my next suspect after serge already...

I was down to Sloonei, Dom, and Serge, but not Serge anymore unless he faked those posts really well and essentially ended the game for himself. I don't really believe that's the case. So I suppose we're in the same spot.

I'm desperately trying to pick apart anything in Dom's ISO but there's just not much to say. His condemnation posts against DDL were after DDL started receiving some heat. He seems genuinely uninvested though either way.

Dom's post history is pretty much just a condemnation of DDL and that's about it. Not inspiring, but not exactly damning either.

Everything just makes the most sense if Sloonei is mafia. The speedchuck kill, the way DDL defended him, etc.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:54 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:49 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:47 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:42 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:39 pm I don't sense any fire from any of your responses.
I'm not worried. I believe my posts speak for themselves. I'm town, and I think we're in good shape even if enough people are misled by your tinfoil today. I also appreciate that someone is finally being skeptical of me. This place was getting boring.
You would be worried if you were town. This game is complacent and even one mislynch today could easily end this game for us.
I never get lynched when I'm town. I'm only worried if I believe there's valid reasons for me to be lynched, and I don't believe any of those exist in this game.
That's not a town perspective.
Why not? I'm a calm person, I'm calm right now. I think you're town and this is the most activity the thread has seen in days. Hopefully we can make something good come of it.

I know you are, but I just feel like if you were truly invested in this game as a member of the town, you would show at least some fire in response to any of this. Instead I've gotten the fly swatting scum Sloonei I witnessed in Street Fighter.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:26 am I read through DDL's posts. I recommend doing the same. I'm gonna throw down a chart here.
Xs are suspicions
Vs are votes.
Os are defenses/townreads
Qs are questions
S is a shrug
The number with them tells what phase they were on. 0 is night 0. 1 is D1. 2 is N1. And so on. A little confusing, but necessary. CHART TIME!

MovingPictures07 - X1-X1-X1-X1-V1-X2
nutella - X1-X1-X1-V2-X2
Spacedaisy - X1
Sloonei - O1-O1-O1-X1
speedchuck -
NewTraditionalist -
Serge -
birdwithteeth11 -
Dom -

LC - X0-X0-X1-X1
Dr Wilgy - O1-
sanmateo - S2
Epi - S1-O2

A lot of these townreads, or heck, even scumreads, are weak and DDL backs off as he says them. I considered using lowercase to indicate weakness, but the chart is already hard enough to read.

NT was mentioned in relation to MP's vote for NT. DDL didn't like it. Granted, I wasn't a huge fan either.
Those with no mentions were technically a part of DDL's posts when he said stuff like "Everyone else is null" but I didn't include that.

I would appreciate everyone looking at DDL's sloon mentions, and sloon's treatement of DDL, and see if it looks more like DDL buddying and sloonei hunting or DDL defending and then distancing.

Also, I think this deserves another look. If Sloonei is scum, then it means DDL defended the fuck out of him nearly (with one exception) until the end. If it's Serge, Dom, NT, or BWT, he said nothing about him. If it's nutella, he bussed her HARD.

It could easily be Dom, but I'm not ready to just fall into lynching one player after another out of some kind of obligation. We need to figure this out.

Linki: Let me dig into his ISO and give you whatever detailed thoughts I can muster. I'll look at him and then nutella.

I apologize if I'm wrong, Sloonei, you just have to understand that I'm rightfully skeptical.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:49 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:45 pm If you're concerned about the lack of pressure, why aren't you applying it to me and Daisy, or even nutella or BWT?
I'm concerned about the lack of pressure on me. I've looked into you, daisy, and bwt and came up with what I feel are solid reasons to town read all of you.
I'd like to take a closer look at nutella in a few minutes. I have had a busy week and just didn't find time to do it earlier.

I've been busy too; I should be working right now but I refuse to let this game slip away.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:47 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:42 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:39 pm I don't sense any fire from any of your responses.
I'm not worried. I believe my posts speak for themselves. I'm town, and I think we're in good shape even if enough people are misled by your tinfoil today. I also appreciate that someone is finally being skeptical of me. This place was getting boring.
You would be worried if you were town. This game is complacent and even one mislynch today could easily end this game for us.
I never get lynched when I'm town. I'm only worried if I believe there's valid reasons for me to be lynched, and I don't believe any of those exist in this game.

That's not a town perspective.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:46 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:42 pm Look, I'm just trying to figure all this out. We're in dangerous territory right now if we mislynch today.
I know, and I believe every word of skepticism you are hurling at me. And, like I said, I appreciate it. I am town. I currently believe Dom is scum.

How many scum do you think are left?

Also the one player I still need to look at closely is nutella. I will do that after I get some dinner in me. I'd appreciate any thoughts you (or anyone else) might have on her.

Probably 1. If it's 2 I think this game is balanced a little too difficultly against us. Although I don't know all the power roles, based on the ones we have seen so far I firmly believe there's only 1 left. I'm not even going to worry about 3P unless we have reason to do so.

I'll take a look at her in more detail. Right now I think she's on the level for reasons I've previously stated, but my read could use an update.

I really wish Serge hadn't self-voted, that's a total waste if he's town, especially since BWT, Dom, and NT could all miss the vote.

If you're concerned about the lack of pressure, why aren't you applying it to me and Daisy, or even nutella or BWT?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:42 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:39 pm I don't sense any fire from any of your responses.
I'm not worried. I believe my posts speak for themselves. I'm town, and I think we're in good shape even if enough people are misled by your tinfoil today. I also appreciate that someone is finally being skeptical of me. This place was getting boring.

You would be worried if you were town. This game is complacent and even one mislynch today could easily end this game for us.

Look, I'm just trying to figure all this out. We're in dangerous territory right now if we mislynch today.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:39 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:37 pm You had me pocketed completely and Serge set up to take the mislynch today, then you could kill me or Daisy tonight. With the consensus of the thread unsure about NT and Dom, you could use both of them as easy mislynches after the fact, and boom, you've won this game easily.
Maybe that's why you were left alive.

Tell me who the scum is then in that scenario. BWT, Dom, and NT are all not invested enough in this game to think through something like that, and I firmly don't believe Daisy or nutella would make that play either. You were the sole player to benefit from speedchuck dying over me.

I don't sense any fire from any of your responses.

You had me pocketed completely and Serge set up to take the mislynch today, then you could kill me or Daisy tonight. With the consensus of the thread unsure about NT and Dom, you could use both of them as easy mislynches after the fact, and boom, you've won this game easily.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:02 pm speedchuck
MovingPictures07
Nutella
NewTraditionalist
birdwithteeth11
Dom
Spacedaisy
Sloonei
Serge

If you wanted color

This is why you killed speedchuck, isn't it, Sloonei?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:32 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:26 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:25 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:19 pm Sloonei sounds like he's TMIing right now and his equivocation of Dom, NT, and Serge reads suspiciously to me. I also don't like how he threw in himself when saying Daisy, me, or he could be fooling us all; it read like a subconscious admission of guilt.

I could be tinfoiling, but I really am starting to think Sloonei's the last scum.
Nope
Convince me.
Give me something to refute.

I did. You didn't really refute any of it. You are equivocating Dom, NT, and Serge, and it's troubling. You also aren't pressuring anyone; you are just sort of hopping around and you also are setting up future mislynches in Dom, NT, and Serge; they're all easy setups if you are the last scum. You're throwing them all in a bucket as if there's nothing to judge and just picking them off. You aren't genuinely trying to figure out who the last scum is.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:30 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:27 pm I would assert that your behavior at multiple points in the game, Sloonei, is indicative that you know who is town more than you should due to TMI.
Maybe I'm just good.

Maybe? That's not very convincing.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:29 pm But I am genuinely confused at the total lack of pressure I've faced all game. I haven't played particularly well but no one besides Epi and Serge have said a word about me, really.
The equivocation about you and Daisy vs the three quiet players has been explained. I have reasons to town read the two of you, as well as birdwithteeth. I'm still a little on the fence about nutella, but I feel like this is a game that features a quiet scum player.

Why?

I would assert that your behavior at multiple points in the game, Sloonei, is indicative that you know who is town more than you should due to TMI.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:25 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:19 pm Sloonei sounds like he's TMIing right now and his equivocation of Dom, NT, and Serge reads suspiciously to me. I also don't like how he threw in himself when saying Daisy, me, or he could be fooling us all; it read like a subconscious admission of guilt.

I could be tinfoiling, but I really am starting to think Sloonei's the last scum.
Nope

Convince me.

VOTE SLOONEI

[mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] [mention]nutella[/mention] [mention]birdwithteeth11[/mention] [mention]NewTraditionalist[/mention] [mention]Dom[/mention]

Get in here and give your opinions. I really want to see if you all see what I am seeing right now. The fate of the game depends upon your participation. Less than 3 hours until deadline and the pace of this game is sluggish. We could still lose.

I need other input on this.

Sloonei sounds like he's TMIing right now and his equivocation of Dom, NT, and Serge reads suspiciously to me. I also don't like how he threw in himself when saying Daisy, me, or he could be fooling us all; it read like a subconscious admission of guilt.

I could be tinfoiling, but I really am starting to think Sloonei's the last scum.

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