The Search for Quin [END]

[Tangrowth]

I have genuine reasons for suspecting you. I've given them. The speedchuck kill implicates you more than anyone because you had a vested interest in him going away more than me because I hadn't said a word against you before today. DDL defended you aggressively, and he was bad. I've said other things. The fact that you just act like I'm not saying anything and that you're being suspected for no reason makes you look bad.

[Sloonei]

I'm having a serious flare up of hives at the moment. I am going to go try and put some calamine lotion on and take a nap. I will be back before the deadline though to see if anything has changed my mind, so if you are town Sloon, I need you to convince me.

I've tried my best to understand the thought processes of all the players in this game in turn, as I always do. I've made some poor reads and this has definitely not been my finest effort, but I've been nothing but honest. I don't know how else to convince you right now, as the case against me remains pure speculation, which is fair, but it's not something I can really speak to personally unless you have direct questions for me. I'm sorry. But my posts are honest and that should be reflected when you or anyone else reads them. I hope that your vote is for the right person today.

[Sloonei]

See, Sloonei, you seem content in turning the conversation on anyone else; now you're including nutella. I don't get the sense that you're trying to figure out who's town.

Earlier you were equivocating Dom, NT, and Serge, yet earlier in the game you had reason to read him town just like I did. Yet today you've conveniently left that out of your rhetoric. I think it's because you're bad.

Of course I'm trying to turn the conversation onto other people. I've narrowed down my list of suspects to a couple of people and instead we're talking about me and things I can't really even answer. Let's talk about these other people instead and then see if I'm still the best candidate. I'm not asking you to forget that I'm here, I'm just asking you to work with me to catch bad guys.

I'd like to look at nutella myself now, I'm gonna be having people over in a couple hours so I don't have much time.

[Tangrowth]

I feel good about NT right now. His reason for voting me makes sense for a first-time player having difficulties, and his feelings reflect a player who does not have access to a Behind The Scenes support group.

Similarly, I'd give a very slight town read to Serge for naming me as a primary suspect just now. I don't think a scum player who's not fully caught up would jump into the thread and throw an unsubstantiated suspicion at somebody with as many posts and as many questions as me when I'm not facing any real pressure.

MP looks great for catching sanmateo and driving home the bandewagon against him with Epi.
Daisy looks great for being the first (or one of the first, independently) to point out the sanmateo/DDL relationship.
Birdwithteeth looks good based on some of sanmateo's posts about him early in the game.
I'll have to look into nutella's relationship with DDL and sanmateo more closely, but I vaguely recall seeing something that made her look good.

Dom was on the DDL bandwagon, but he was a latecomer and was not particularly vocal.
Likewise for Serge, but he also receieved some iffy treatment from DDL earlier.
NT is

A convenient change in a read with NT.

[Tangrowth]

You also gave a reason for calling Serge a town read in that post, ironically enough.

Sloonei, you know that everyone else is town.

[Tangrowth]

See, Sloonei, you seem content in turning the conversation on anyone else; now you're including nutella. I don't get the sense that you're trying to figure out who's town.

Earlier you were equivocating Dom, NT, and Serge, yet earlier in the game you had reason to read him town just like I did. Yet today you've conveniently left that out of your rhetoric. I think it's because you're bad.

Of course I'm trying to turn the conversation onto other people. I've narrowed down my list of suspects to a couple of people and instead we're talking about me and things I can't really even answer. Let's talk about these other people instead and then see if I'm still the best candidate. I'm not asking you to forget that I'm here, I'm just asking you to work with me to catch bad guys.

I'd like to look at nutella myself now, I'm gonna be having people over in a couple hours so I don't have much time.

I have been looking at other people, mind you, as we speak.

I think NT is town. You did too, for the same reason, but now you apparently don't anymore. I think that's bullshit. You're desperately trying to get anyone lynched that isn't yourself. You even are contradicting yourself; you want us to look at Dom and nutella now that Serge conveniently came in and self-voted.

[Sloonei]

I have genuine reasons for suspecting you. I've given them. The speedchuck kill implicates you more than anyone because you had a vested interest in him going away more than me because I hadn't said a word against you before today. DDL defended you aggressively, and he was bad. I've said other things. The fact that you just act like I'm not saying anything and that you're being suspected for no reason makes you look bad.

I never said any of this. I agree that these are reasons to be skeptical of me, it's just not something I can answer to. I didn't kill speedchuck and I don't know why he died, and I also felt like he felt pretty good about me. I didn't sense that I was a serious suspect of his, and I believe he stated as much. I was not DDL's teammate and I do not know why he defended me. what more do you want me to say to these things?

[Tangrowth]

I also don't buy any of your explanations that you're calm and collected right now because you don't care about this game. You've put a ton of effort into this game. And I am relentlessly attacking you. You've defended yourself by swatting me away and it's thoroughly unconvincing. You're not responding to my pressure with any investment. It's because you know I'm right.

[Sloonei]

See, Sloonei, you seem content in turning the conversation on anyone else; now you're including nutella. I don't get the sense that you're trying to figure out who's town.

Earlier you were equivocating Dom, NT, and Serge, yet earlier in the game you had reason to read him town just like I did. Yet today you've conveniently left that out of your rhetoric. I think it's because you're bad.

Of course I'm trying to turn the conversation onto other people. I've narrowed down my list of suspects to a couple of people and instead we're talking about me and things I can't really even answer. Let's talk about these other people instead and then see if I'm still the best candidate. I'm not asking you to forget that I'm here, I'm just asking you to work with me to catch bad guys.

I'd like to look at nutella myself now, I'm gonna be having people over in a couple hours so I don't have much time.

I have been looking at other people, mind you, as we speak.

I think NT is town. You did too, for the same reason, but now you apparently don't anymore. I think that's bullshit. You're desperately trying to get anyone lynched that isn't yourself. You even are contradicting yourself; you want us to look at Dom and nutella now that Serge conveniently came in and self-voted.

I never had a strong read on either NT or Serge. I went back and forth on Serge. Townies often change their mind. NT is mostly a shrug, but I am leaning town on him. Note that most of my concentration today has been on Serge and Dom, not Serge, Dom, and NT.

[Tangrowth]

I'm looking at a sanmateo/DDL teammate pairing with that last post by DDL.

Daisy was on this DDL/sanmateo thing before it was even a thing. Good look, I think. Or a super early busser. I'm gonna go with the former, but not dismiss the latter entirely.

We don't even know DDL's alignment yet. How would this be a good look for me without knowing DDL's alignment already?

I have gotten a bit ahead of myself, but like I explained in the other post, process of elimination has me feeling confident in DDL. He has the most evidence pointed against him of anyone in the thread right now, that I can see. It's possible that I'm succumbing to laziness and prejudice today. But as things stand right now, this game makes the most sense to me if DDL is bad. If he's not, then I have to re-examine it.

That said, even if he is good, you arrived at the conclusion on which the rest of us have settled before anyone else without much notice. If you're bad, that's a pretty slick move on your part either way. I feel like it was a genuine conclusion for you to reach and I believe in the sincerity of your observation.

On reflection, I also think this was an instance where you TMI'd, Sloonei.

[Tangrowth]

Alright, I'll move on for now.

[Sloonei]

I also don't buy any of your explanations that you're calm and collected right now because you don't care about this game. You've put a ton of effort into this game. And I am relentlessly attacking you. You've defended yourself by swatting me away and it's thoroughly unconvincing. You're not responding to my pressure with any investment. It's because you know I'm right.

I never said I don't care about this game. I care about this game, I wouldn't be making these posts if I didn't. I'm just calm. I'd be annoyed if you lynched me, but it's not the end of the world and town's still in good shape.

[Sloonei]

I'm looking at a sanmateo/DDL teammate pairing with that last post by DDL.

Daisy was on this DDL/sanmateo thing before it was even a thing. Good look, I think. Or a super early busser. I'm gonna go with the former, but not dismiss the latter entirely.

We don't even know DDL's alignment yet. How would this be a good look for me without knowing DDL's alignment already?

I have gotten a bit ahead of myself, but like I explained in the other post, process of elimination has me feeling confident in DDL. He has the most evidence pointed against him of anyone in the thread right now, that I can see. It's possible that I'm succumbing to laziness and prejudice today. But as things stand right now, this game makes the most sense to me if DDL is bad. If he's not, then I have to re-examine it.

That said, even if he is good, you arrived at the conclusion on which the rest of us have settled before anyone else without much notice. If you're bad, that's a pretty slick move on your part either way. I feel like it was a genuine conclusion for you to reach and I believe in the sincerity of your observation.

On reflection, I also think this was an instance where you TMI'd, Sloonei.

Just the world's best mafia player.

[Tangrowth]

I still think BWT is town based on the way he initially handled this game and his gambit. The fact that he's dropped off the face of the earth lately actually makes me think he's more likely to be town than not as well, knowing him. I'll keep looking though.

[Tangrowth]

Looking at Daisy again. She is town. No way she bussed sanmateo and DDL both before one of them was even revealed.

[Tangrowth]

POE still leaves me with Dom and Sloonei. There are town reasons to read everyone else.

[Sloonei]

i think given what people have said about bird i wont vote for him today. sloonei threw out both of the posts that i singled out beforehand but he still seemed steadfast on voting for LC until i wrote that post. something doesn't really track there, i was taken aback by him being that easily convinced but it seemed like people were moving away from that bandwagon so it'd make sense that scum sloonei (scoomei?) would switch. if what he said about looking at bwt's claim in the same way as mp07 and epignosis is true, then why wouldnt he vote for dragon from the start?

that's less simple than the reason i suspect dragon, so it feels less likely to be true. thus im probably voting for dragon. but my uni canceled classes today so i have time to spare

A big part of the reason I cleared bwt was this post, but I just realized I was reading it wrong. sanmateo here is justifying not voting for bwt on Day 1, whereas before I took it as him justifying a vote for bwt. I still don't think he's scum, but I wanted to note it just in case.

Since I'm in the neighborhood, I'll ask how sanmateo's treatment of me in this post looks. Bussing, or a genuine push to get me lynched?

[Tangrowth]

POE still leaves me with Dom and Sloonei. There are town reasons to read everyone else.

that should say reasons to town read

[Tangrowth]

I'll look through sanmateo's posts now, Sloonei, just to see how he treated you overall.

[Sloonei]

I still think BWT is town based on the way he initially handled this game and his gambit. The fact that he's dropped off the face of the earth lately actually makes me think he's more likely to be town than not as well, knowing him. I'll keep looking though.

I'm not willing to clear him on that initial gambit alone. I agree that it paints him slightly favorably, and I also can't claim to know him nearly as well as you, but that's not a move that would be difficult to fabricate, imo. why does his drop in activity suggest he's town to you?

[Tangrowth]

I felt like Epignosis' reactions were way more suspicious than my reaction to them. I don't understand why you ignore my points about his reactions and just vote for me instead.

How about this for a plan then? We lynch you today for your backtracking. If you flip civ, then we lynch Epig on Day 2 since he was clearly egging you on and trying to start something!

yeah that seems like a terrible plan. none of what i've seen from the epi/LC thing moves me particularly. it's a bunch of tepid day 1 stuff. but more importantly, if getting into weird arguments in-game is really a recurring thing between them, then obviously we need to look elsewhere because anything coming from either of the two about the other one holds less weight.

where else shall we look?

well there's already a bandwagon forming against long con so that seems like a great starting point

Upon reflection, this reads like two teammates talking to each other. Sloonei and sanmateo both made a concerted effort thereafter to hunt LC bandwagoners.

[Tangrowth]

BRB

[Sloonei]

Nutella was on DDL's case right away, she said she was following me on him before I even suspected him. This looks good. And then DDL goes and makes posts like this:

Thoughts from catching up -

I'm torn on LC. Epi's references to other games are somewhat compelling; I was in those games and thus am fully aware of why Epi feels the way he does about LC, but I'm not necessarily convinced that he has to be right. Players don't always fulfill the patterns you expect across alignments. LC's reactions (especially the one after my post) were pretty over-the-top though and I can definitely see him being a caught baddie here.

At the same time, I'm torn on BWT as well. The circumstances of his info claim and its apparent misguidedness are intriguing, but I grant that it seems unlikely he would claim bad info openly if bad, so it's more likely it was just misguided/misleading false info. But his over-eager "let's all lynch LC" post was very suspicious. I've been considering voting for him but MP's post here rings pretty true to me and I'm inclined to trust his read:

BWT is being indecisive as fuck. That means he's town. If he was bad, he would force consistency.

I might look into joining Sloonei in a DDL vote; I'll look back at DDL next. Not feeling MP's and Epi's suspicion of Sloonei; I'm seeing town behavior.

Nutella is sitting on the fence so hard Im afraid she might hurt herself.

as well as several others in the same vein, all which give the sense of a scum player trying to push for the lynch of a townie who, at the time, could have been considered low-hanging fruit. I feel good about nutella. I'll take another look at bwt and maybe daisy as well, if there's time. But I think Dom is our guy.

[Sloonei]

I felt like Epignosis' reactions were way more suspicious than my reaction to them. I don't understand why you ignore my points about his reactions and just vote for me instead.

How about this for a plan then? We lynch you today for your backtracking. If you flip civ, then we lynch Epig on Day 2 since he was clearly egging you on and trying to start something!

yeah that seems like a terrible plan. none of what i've seen from the epi/LC thing moves me particularly. it's a bunch of tepid day 1 stuff. but more importantly, if getting into weird arguments in-game is really a recurring thing between them, then obviously we need to look elsewhere because anything coming from either of the two about the other one holds less weight.

where else shall we look?

well there's already a bandwagon forming against long con so that seems like a great starting point

Upon reflection, this reads like two teammates talking to each other. Sloonei and sanmateo both made a concerted effort thereafter to hunt LC bandwagoners.

You are tunneling.

[Sloonei]

But also, I was wary of the Long Con bandwagon on Day 1. It rose up very easily and for a while was the only topic of conversation. I wanted to branch out, and that was the best branch I could find at the time.

[Tangrowth]

I still think BWT is town based on the way he initially handled this game and his gambit. The fact that he's dropped off the face of the earth lately actually makes me think he's more likely to be town than not as well, knowing him. I'll keep looking though.

I'm not willing to clear him on that initial gambit alone. I agree that it paints him slightly favorably, and I also can't claim to know him nearly as well as you, but that's not a move that would be difficult to fabricate, imo. why does his drop in activity suggest he's town to you?

If you're concerned about the lack of pressure, why aren't you applying it to me and Daisy, or even nutella or BWT?

I'm concerned about the lack of pressure on me. I've looked into you, daisy, and bwt and came up with what I feel are solid reasons to town read all of you.
I'd like to take a closer look at nutella in a few minutes. I have had a busy week and just didn't find time to do it earlier.

You're bad. Literally finding any reason to deflect onto anyone, even if you previously townread or cleared them.

[Tangrowth]

I'm confident now. It's Sloonei. I'm 99% sure.

[Sloonei]

Long Con is accusing Epi of the same thing I argued for last night; he is deliberately misconstruing facts to fit his argument. If this is a legitimate accusation then it is not a good look for Epi. However, I did not necessarily feel that he was doing it in a sinister way against me last night (though his underwhelming response doesn't inspire much confidence), and I also still do not have enough trust in Long Con to side with him definitively in their back and forth. Also, sanmateo presented a similar, though less extreme, interpretation of my behavior as Epi did last night, so it's possible I've come off a bit shadier than I believe.

Does anybody else get the sense that Epi is being intentionally deceptive in his arguments?

I mean, it's certainly possible. I just have such a hard time reading LC that it still makes me lean more towards it being a civ vs. civ duke-out here. I'm slightly suspicious of both of them, but I'm starting to feel like it's not enough to warrant a D1 vote.

On that note, this type of post from Day 1 by bwt looks really good. It would have been incredibly easy to pick a side in the Epi vs. LC thing, but he settled on the "civ vs civ" perspective. Townie point.

[Tangrowth]

Let's take a look at exactly how DDL defended Sloonei, shall we? sanmateo never said a word about him, but he gladly jointly went after LC bandwagoners with him.

[Sloonei]

I still think BWT is town based on the way he initially handled this game and his gambit. The fact that he's dropped off the face of the earth lately actually makes me think he's more likely to be town than not as well, knowing him. I'll keep looking though.

I'm not willing to clear him on that initial gambit alone. I agree that it paints him slightly favorably, and I also can't claim to know him nearly as well as you, but that's not a move that would be difficult to fabricate, imo. why does his drop in activity suggest he's town to you?

If you're concerned about the lack of pressure, why aren't you applying it to me and Daisy, or even nutella or BWT?

I'm concerned about the lack of pressure on me. I've looked into you, daisy, and bwt and came up with what I feel are solid reasons to town read all of you.
I'd like to take a closer look at nutella in a few minutes. I have had a busy week and just didn't find time to do it earlier.

You're bad. Literally finding any reason to deflect onto anyone, even if you previously townread or cleared them.

I am town and you are town. I want to put our heads together and work this out. I think bwt is town. I am not as confident about that as I am with you. I want your help reading him so that I can erase the lingering doubts I have about him. Entertain the possibility that I am town and that all I want to do right now is catch the supposed final scum with you. Can you answer my questions please?

[Sloonei]

Let's take a look at exactly how DDL defended Sloonei, shall we? sanmateo never said a word about him, but he gladly jointly went after LC bandwagoners with him.

I'm getting annoyed now. This is annoying.

[Tangrowth]

Also, Sloonei, you're full of BS when you say you never believed speedchuck didn't consider you a suspect. He specifically said this right before he died:

I read through DDL's posts. I recommend doing the same. I'm gonna throw down a chart here.
Xs are suspicions
Vs are votes.
Os are defenses/townreads
Qs are questions
S is a shrug
The number with them tells what phase they were on. 0 is night 0. 1 is D1. 2 is N1. And so on. A little confusing, but necessary. CHART TIME!


MovingPictures07 - X1-X1-X1-X1-V1-X2
nutella - X1-X1-X1-V2-X2
Spacedaisy - X1
Sloonei - O1-O1-O1-X1
speedchuck -
NewTraditionalist -
Serge -
birdwithteeth11 -
Dom -

LC - X0-X0-X1-X1
Dr Wilgy - O1-
sanmateo - S2
Epi - S1-O2

A lot of these townreads, or heck, even scumreads, are weak and DDL backs off as he says them. I considered using lowercase to indicate weakness, but the chart is already hard enough to read.

NT was mentioned in relation to MP's vote for NT. DDL didn't like it. Granted, I wasn't a huge fan either.
Those with no mentions were technically a part of DDL's posts when he said stuff like "Everyone else is null" but I didn't include that.

I would appreciate everyone looking at DDL's sloon mentions, and sloon's treatement of DDL, and see if it looks more like DDL buddying and sloonei hunting or DDL defending and then distancing.

[Tangrowth]

It's about time someone fulfilled your request, speedchuck.

[Sloonei]

Also, Sloonei, you're full of BS when you say you never believed speedchuck didn't consider you a suspect. He specifically said this right before he died:

I read through DDL's posts. I recommend doing the same. I'm gonna throw down a chart here.
Xs are suspicions
Vs are votes.
Os are defenses/townreads
Qs are questions
S is a shrug
The number with them tells what phase they were on. 0 is night 0. 1 is D1. 2 is N1. And so on. A little confusing, but necessary. CHART TIME!


MovingPictures07 - X1-X1-X1-X1-V1-X2
nutella - X1-X1-X1-V2-X2
Spacedaisy - X1
Sloonei - O1-O1-O1-X1
speedchuck -
NewTraditionalist -
Serge -
birdwithteeth11 -
Dom -

LC - X0-X0-X1-X1
Dr Wilgy - O1-
sanmateo - S2
Epi - S1-O2

A lot of these townreads, or heck, even scumreads, are weak and DDL backs off as he says them. I considered using lowercase to indicate weakness, but the chart is already hard enough to read.

NT was mentioned in relation to MP's vote for NT. DDL didn't like it. Granted, I wasn't a huge fan either.
Those with no mentions were technically a part of DDL's posts when he said stuff like "Everyone else is null" but I didn't include that.

I would appreciate everyone looking at DDL's sloon mentions, and sloon's treatement of DDL, and see if it looks more like DDL buddying and sloonei hunting or DDL defending and then distancing.

That looks like a question to me, not a statement of suspicion. He said this even closer to his death:

speedchuck
MovingPictures07
Nutella
NewTraditionalist
birdwithteeth11
Dom
Spacedaisy
Sloonei
Serge

GTH readlist for you spacedaisy. I actually feel better about you and Sloonei than this readlist showed, but I'm more paranoid about you guys. I'm going to try to substantiate these reads before Day 4 end. Assuming scum does the smart thing and kills MP tonight instead of me.

[Tangrowth]

Let's take a look at exactly how DDL defended Sloonei, shall we? sanmateo never said a word about him, but he gladly jointly went after LC bandwagoners with him.

I'm getting annoyed now. This is annoying.

I thought you had nothing to hide.

[Sloonei]

It's about time someone fulfilled your request, speedchuck.

It is. It would have been preferable if someone had taken him up on it prior to the final hours before the deadline, but oh well.

[Tangrowth]

Also, Sloonei, you're full of BS when you say you never believed speedchuck didn't consider you a suspect. He specifically said this right before he died:

I read through DDL's posts. I recommend doing the same. I'm gonna throw down a chart here.
Xs are suspicions
Vs are votes.
Os are defenses/townreads
Qs are questions
S is a shrug
The number with them tells what phase they were on. 0 is night 0. 1 is D1. 2 is N1. And so on. A little confusing, but necessary. CHART TIME!


MovingPictures07 - X1-X1-X1-X1-V1-X2
nutella - X1-X1-X1-V2-X2
Spacedaisy - X1
Sloonei - O1-O1-O1-X1
speedchuck -
NewTraditionalist -
Serge -
birdwithteeth11 -
Dom -

LC - X0-X0-X1-X1
Dr Wilgy - O1-
sanmateo - S2
Epi - S1-O2

A lot of these townreads, or heck, even scumreads, are weak and DDL backs off as he says them. I considered using lowercase to indicate weakness, but the chart is already hard enough to read.

NT was mentioned in relation to MP's vote for NT. DDL didn't like it. Granted, I wasn't a huge fan either.
Those with no mentions were technically a part of DDL's posts when he said stuff like "Everyone else is null" but I didn't include that.

I would appreciate everyone looking at DDL's sloon mentions, and sloon's treatement of DDL, and see if it looks more like DDL buddying and sloonei hunting or DDL defending and then distancing.

That looks like a question to me, not a statement of suspicion. He said this even closer to his death:

speedchuck
MovingPictures07
Nutella
NewTraditionalist
birdwithteeth11
Dom
Spacedaisy
Sloonei
Serge

GTH readlist for you spacedaisy. I actually feel better about you and Sloonei than this readlist showed, but I'm more paranoid about you guys. I'm going to try to substantiate these reads before Day 4 end. Assuming scum does the smart thing and kills MP tonight instead of me.

It doesn't matter; he is literally the only player in the game other than Daisy that said anything remotely negative about you, and then bam, he's dead.

[Sloonei]

Let's take a look at exactly how DDL defended Sloonei, shall we? sanmateo never said a word about him, but he gladly jointly went after LC bandwagoners with him.

I'm getting annoyed now. This is annoying.

I thought you had nothing to hide.

Exactly. You're just rummaging through my junk when there's nothing there.

[Tangrowth]

Let's take a look at exactly how DDL defended Sloonei, shall we? sanmateo never said a word about him, but he gladly jointly went after LC bandwagoners with him.

I'm getting annoyed now. This is annoying.

I thought you had nothing to hide.

Exactly. You're just rummaging through my junk when there's nothing there.

Bullshit.

[Sloonei]

Also, Sloonei, you're full of BS when you say you never believed speedchuck didn't consider you a suspect. He specifically said this right before he died:

I read through DDL's posts. I recommend doing the same. I'm gonna throw down a chart here.
Xs are suspicions
Vs are votes.
Os are defenses/townreads
Qs are questions
S is a shrug
The number with them tells what phase they were on. 0 is night 0. 1 is D1. 2 is N1. And so on. A little confusing, but necessary. CHART TIME!


MovingPictures07 - X1-X1-X1-X1-V1-X2
nutella - X1-X1-X1-V2-X2
Spacedaisy - X1
Sloonei - O1-O1-O1-X1
speedchuck -
NewTraditionalist -
Serge -
birdwithteeth11 -
Dom -

LC - X0-X0-X1-X1
Dr Wilgy - O1-
sanmateo - S2
Epi - S1-O2

A lot of these townreads, or heck, even scumreads, are weak and DDL backs off as he says them. I considered using lowercase to indicate weakness, but the chart is already hard enough to read.

NT was mentioned in relation to MP's vote for NT. DDL didn't like it. Granted, I wasn't a huge fan either.
Those with no mentions were technically a part of DDL's posts when he said stuff like "Everyone else is null" but I didn't include that.

I would appreciate everyone looking at DDL's sloon mentions, and sloon's treatement of DDL, and see if it looks more like DDL buddying and sloonei hunting or DDL defending and then distancing.

That looks like a question to me, not a statement of suspicion. He said this even closer to his death:

speedchuck
MovingPictures07
Nutella
NewTraditionalist
birdwithteeth11
Dom
Spacedaisy
Sloonei
Serge

GTH readlist for you spacedaisy. I actually feel better about you and Sloonei than this readlist showed, but I'm more paranoid about you guys. I'm going to try to substantiate these reads before Day 4 end. Assuming scum does the smart thing and kills MP tonight instead of me.

It doesn't matter; he is literally the only player in the game other than Daisy that said anything remotely negative about you, and then bam, he's dead.

... so? Maybe I was framed. Maybe he was killed because he was a universal town read who was on fire. Maybe there are a hundred reasons he was killed. I never considered myself to be a suspect of his and I was enjoying his presence in this game, as always.

[Sloonei]

Let's take a look at exactly how DDL defended Sloonei, shall we? sanmateo never said a word about him, but he gladly jointly went after LC bandwagoners with him.

I'm getting annoyed now. This is annoying.

I thought you had nothing to hide.

Exactly. You're just rummaging through my junk when there's nothing there.

Bullshit.

Lynch me, then you'll get killed tonight and we'll be lucky if enough people show up to lynch Dom tomorrow.

[Tangrowth]

Here are all the times DDL interacted with or mentioned Sloonei:

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A reads/preliminary rainbow list for me right now would look something like this:

Moderate Town -- would NOT vote
birdwithteeth11
Epignosis
sanmateo

Slight Town -- would NOT vote
speedchuck

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Neutral-- would potentially vote
Dom
Dragon D. Luffy
DrWilgy
NewTraditionalist
nutella
Serge
Spacedaisy

Slight Mafia-- would potentially vote
Long Con
Sloonei

Players are not ranked within groups, only across groups.

Generally I prefer to stick to POE and usually don't feel comfortable making any firm mafia reads at this stage, but despite being hesitant because I do feel LC is a player who can get himself into trouble early on, I'm relatively convinced by Epi's pursuit of LC and would call him a sole slight mafia read. I also am a bit wary of Sloonei; perhaps it's a bit leftover shock still from Street Fighter, but without taking an in-depth look at his ISO I'm not sure I buy Sloonei's attempts to start discussion to be genuine. Specifically, he doesn't seem that interested in actually developing reads and seems a bit too hoppy. But those are just general impressions and maybe I'm being overly paranoid of him.

As for my neutrals, well, I'm not sure how to sort Wilgy or DDL yet. Everyone else has been too quiet or essentially nonexistent, which is disconcerting. Hopefully we hear from them before the deadline.

I'm going to be pretty busy tomorrow, so my activity will be less than ideal. I'll be here in the hour or two leading to EoD though at a minimum; I think I can set aside that time at least.

Weird, Sloonei is givig me strong town vibes. But I guess thats my default reaction to those Jay-type posters who analyse everything. I think Ill spend the game rradig him as civ yet being paranoid about it.

Wilgy made one post (dont remember which) that looked uber civ. But the last time that happened he was bad. So I dunno what to think.

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MovingPictures07 I mean, look at your rainbow list. You have 7 people in the neutral territory. How can I be blamed for having lackluster reads when you yourself agree that more than half the players in the game are more or less unreadable at this stage?

linki: fair enough. I look forward to your ISO. I can't blame you if there's lingering suspicion from Street Fighter. I made a deliberate effort to buddy you.

Do you think I'm unfairly questioning you?

I feel your initial read of me was made using a point that should not apply. There's nothing unfair about questioning me.

What point shouldn't apply specifically?

Generally I prefer to stick to POE and usually don't feel comfortable making any firm mafia reads at this stage, but despite being hesitant because I do feel LC is a player who can get himself into trouble early on, I'm relatively convinced by Epi's pursuit of LC and would call him a sole slight mafia read. I also am a bit wary of Sloonei; perhaps it's a bit leftover shock still from Street Fighter, but without taking an in-depth look at his ISO I'm not sure I buy Sloonei's attempts to start discussion to be genuine. Specifically, he doesn't seem that interested in actually developing reads and seems a bit too hoppy. But those are just general impressions and maybe I'm being overly paranoid of him.

You made this point after posting a rainbow list in which more than half the players were listed as null reads. why am I to be blamed for failing to develop reads in the same thread?

If someone has non neutral reads on everyone on day 1, Id say that person is either lying or new at mafia.

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Sloonei, on your comments about me, Ive been generally inactive this game because of RL, but even then, Ive been changing my town meta on this site. Im sill generally agressive I think, but I avoid tunneling like my life depends on it and dont have strong civ or bad reads on anyone but myself. I think that has generally improved my civ play.

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About Epi: I cant read him to save myself. The way he is playing (tunneling on people for arbitrary reasons) is his MO regardlessly of alignment.

Im also skimming most of his argument with LC tbh.

He goes straight to my big neutral pile.

I wanna vote for one of MP, Nutella or LC.

Tell me about MP. I was just going to say that I want him and Epi to be discussed most of all right now. Epi for the reasons I highlighteated earlier, and MP because his reads seemed almost labored, if that's fair to say. He mostly seemed to just make passing observations at the level of activity of certain players without much intuitive or dynamic responses to events of the thread. I find the brief flare up between MP & Daisy to be particularly intriguing, though I'm not sure what to read into it yet. But any time two players who know each as closely as those two know each other are involved in something like that, it's worth taking note of.
It seems to me like Daisy took offense in MP's vote or saw something she did not like. It would he good to hear her follow-up thoughts on that whole episode. @Spacedaisy

Not more than what I already gave. Also at the risk of parroting them, seeing MP and Daisy poke each other makes me feel sus, because couples tend to be really good at reading each other from what Ive seen. My money is on one of them being bad.

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I don't actually want to lynch DDL today and he's shared a good amount of thoughts for now. So I'm moving my vote to Epignosis.

What constitutes a "good amount" of thoughts, and why specifically would such a quantity of posts mean DDL is an undesirable lynch?

That is a good point actually. It could be interpreted that Sloonei was testing my wagon, and when I showed up and started defending myself and arguing with people, it became a harder lynch so he moved to the next one.

[Sloonei]

MP, I'll ask you again to entertain the idea that I am town and all I want to do right now is work with you to figure out who the last scum is. Please. It's not me. I'm about 80% certain it's Dom.

[Tangrowth]

It doesn't matter; he is literally the only player in the game other than Daisy that said anything remotely negative about you, and then bam, he's dead.

... so? Maybe I was framed. Maybe he was killed because he was a universal town read who was on fire. Maybe there are a hundred reasons he was killed. I never considered myself to be a suspect of his and I was enjoying his presence in this game, as always.

Who would have framed you? Why would you even mention that? You failed to mention it earlier:

What are your thoughts on the speedchuck kill? I was expecting MP to die so it has surprised me.

I also expected MP to die, but nightkill analysis is not my bag. Maybe they were just more afraid of speedchuck because of MP's schedule or something. I don't think either of them were getting any votes from anyone.

[Tangrowth]

MP, I'll ask you again to entertain the idea that I am town and all I want to do right now is work with you to figure out who the last scum is. Please. It's not me. I'm about 80% certain it's Dom.

If it is you and you don't get lynched today, we've almost certainly lost.

[Tangrowth]

But sure, why Dom? And if not that 80%, what's the 20%?

[Sloonei]

MP looks great for catching sanmateo and driving home the bandewagon against him with Epi.
Daisy looks great for being the first (or one of the first, independently) to point out the sanmateo/DDL relationship.
Birdwithteeth looks good based on some of sanmateo's posts about him early in the game.
I'll have to look into nutella's relationship with DDL and sanmateo more closely, but I vaguely recall seeing something that made her look good.

Dom was on the DDL bandwagon, but he was a latecomer and was not particularly vocal.
Likewise for Serge, but he also receieved some iffy treatment from DDL earlier.
NT is

Here's my list of reasons to read everyone as town/not town. I'd update it to say that nutella looks great through relations with DDL. Serge's apparent withdrawal is also a strong mark in his favor, which leaves it really just at Dom for me. I could still conceivably see Serge being bad, but I find that much less likely now than I did earlier.

[Tangrowth]

Let me dig back into sanmateo and DDL's posts real fast just to see if they mentioned or interacted with Dom. I didn't see anything before but I wasn't looking for it.

[Sloonei]

MP, I'll ask you again to entertain the idea that I am town and all I want to do right now is work with you to figure out who the last scum is. Please. It's not me. I'm about 80% certain it's Dom.

If it is you and you don't get lynched today, we've almost certainly lost.

How? If we're correct that there's only 1 scum left, then we should have another 2 mislynches in the tank, shouldn't we?

[Tangrowth]

MP, I'll ask you again to entertain the idea that I am town and all I want to do right now is work with you to figure out who the last scum is. Please. It's not me. I'm about 80% certain it's Dom.

If it is you and you don't get lynched today, we've almost certainly lost.

How? If we're correct that there's only 1 scum left, then we should have another 2 mislynches in the tank, shouldn't we?

Well, considering you had no suspicion on you before me, and NT, Dom, and BWT are all wild cards for missing each vote, the sense of urgency needs to be high right now. If all three of them are town or even two of them are, which is almost guaranteed, that's as many as two+ missing votes each cycle.