The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:29 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:25 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:22 pm I don’t even care if this is a pocket tbh, I’m bought and paid for
I should probably talk mafia philosophy a different time, but I can't help but at least voice a quick opinion here.

The pocket is always worth it to me to work with towncore. Just because I got pocketed and lose in an F3 or something occasionally, as intensely crushing as that is (it took me days to not be depressed after losing to Mexal in my S5 qualifier, because that's how much this game means to me), doesn't mean the method of forming towncores isn't sound. It absolutely is. It helps to win games. It helps to foster cooperation. It can help crunch scum teams even in tough games. It's worth the downside, especially when you have solid town players in the core who are able and willing to re-assess.
I 100% agree, especially when I know the players better/have a better feel for them towncore is my preferred method of playing.

Yeah, same. Naturally, the makeup of the game can change the dynamics of this.

Be right back.

I literally just played a game with nutella when she was scum. In every possible way she could not be more different in this game than she was there. I'd been really trying to feel her out prior to that because I didn't want to let her off too easy. Nah. She's town. That reaction sealed it for me.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:41 pm I am honestly speechless. My MR townread was one of the strongest convictions I had. I honestly have no idea what to think of this game now. I'm at square one.

Alright, so you're lock town for the foreseeable future, so that's pretty cool.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:22 pm I don’t even care if this is a pocket tbh, I’m bought and paid for

I should probably talk mafia philosophy a different time, but I can't help but at least voice a quick opinion here.

The pocket is always worth it to me to work with towncore. Just because I got pocketed and lose in an F3 or something occasionally, as intensely crushing as that is (it took me days to not be depressed after losing to Mexal in my S5 qualifier, because that's how much this game means to me), doesn't mean the method of forming towncores isn't sound. It absolutely is. It helps to win games. It helps to foster cooperation. It can help crunch scum teams even in tough games. It's worth the downside, especially when you have solid town players in the core who are able and willing to re-assess.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:21 pm Can you play every game with me

I'll do what I can, it's been a pleasure so far. I'm glad to be playing again... for the most part.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:20 pm Secret vote is perfect for resolving a slot like sloonei/poison. Idk about you guys but I’m going to have a very hard time ever letting that slot get to LYLO, and since everyone is apparently so queasy about using a TK on a non entity slot this way lets them get over it a bit easier maybe?

Idk but I feel like two consecutive days of nothing from that slot needs to be resolved. Ironically I think sloonei is the person that would most agree with me

I support this, although I do wonder whether Sloonei or Wilgy would be the better choice as of this time.

Okay, if someone else hasn't already done it and I actually have the capacity to do so, I would like to assist with interactive analyses re: MasterRadishes to the extent that I can.

Actually the greatest thing that can happen in this game right now is if I don't town lead. I'd be thrilled to act in support right now.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:17 pm At this point juliets is somehow my top suspect simply because I townread everyone else more (except the two nothing slots). Really doesn't feel great.

Sometimes that's just the answer, POE is a thing. I'll see if I can help though.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:16 pm Also I'm already back to thinking you're town again.

God damn it I can't just townread everyone now. I just feel so lost. I think I need to step away and come back to the game with fresh eyes. I thought I had it nearly solved and then my reads were all turned on their heads.

I'd be happy to talk stuff out with you, I'm just going to have to ask for some patience from you and everyone else. My brain is literally *this close* to exploding due to other reasons.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:29 pm I’m not telling anyone to play the way I do, I’m just annoyed at “I don’t play/think that way so you shouldn’t either” reads. They’re fucking obnoxious.

I... couldn't relate to this more.

Oh my god if nutella/Nanook isn't v/v, I don't even know.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:14 pm But you'll see that anyway. If any of your questions somehow still apply when you are fully caught up let me know lol

That's fine, I will let you know, thanks.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:13 pm Everything you're quoting and asking me about is outdated and irrelevant lol.

I'm getting there, holy christ. I'm even trying to not to respond to as much as I normally would tbh.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:43 pm I’m going back to ignoring this now, that’s what I get for trying to engage

Nanook is town, I feel it in my soul.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:41 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:34 pm Reading someone based off “I would do X but they did Y” is very rarely an accurate or good way to read someone. Especially someone that’s as markedly different as hyena is from nutella.

It’s lazy at best and a cheap way to build a fake case if you’re mafia.
You are willfully misinterpreting the way I am approaching this.

I never said that he is bad because he did something I wouldn't have done. I just posed that as a way of asking and trying to think about why he might have done it.

Explain.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:09 pm As much as lynching Wilgy again for not playing sucks, Idk what to do with him otherwise. He's got 4 posts.

It frustrates me every time because he's an excellent mafia player when he gives a damn.

I understand the conundrum.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:46 pm Here is the main string of Hyena posts I didn't like. His progressions just seem random.

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Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:02 pm Speedchuck, talk to me about DDL. If you can convince me that DDL's town, I might be open to considering MR as an option, too.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:41 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine
I feel disgusting doing this, lol.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:42 pm Honestly, I'd still go for Tony if anybody's interested.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:44 pm Actually, Nanook, would you go for MR for self-preservation purposes?

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:44 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:44 pm Actually, Nanook, would you go for MR for self-preservation purposes?
I like the people on MR way more than I do the other wagons.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:47 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:46 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:44 pm Actually, Nanook, would you go for MR for self-preservation purposes?
Obviously I’ll go anyone for self prez if it comes to it lol
Okay, cool. I'll settle for MR then.
[VOTE: Master Radish] aubergine

DDL, welcome to my towncore. You're taking MR's spot.

And here are his responses to my gripes
@juliets I see you're asking him again, this is all he's said so far which is not very satisfying lol

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:12 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:51 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:17 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:47 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:46 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:44 pm Actually, Nanook, would you go for MR for self-preservation purposes?
Obviously I’ll go anyone for self prez if it comes to it lol
Okay, cool. I'll settle for MR then.
[VOTE: Master Radish] aubergine

DDL, welcome to my towncore. You're taking MR's spot.
Uh ohhhhh

Nutella no likey

Im high btw
This was a huge moment, and not just because I was high lol. This was an awful look on Hyena, and made me think I had misplaced my trust in him. I think it's possible he's teammates with Nanook and was looking for a reason to justify joining the MR train to save his teammate. Why did he suddenly decide to trust DDL of all people? It made no sense. Hyena explain yourself.
DDL was going to take MR's place in my town circle since I couldn't keep MR there if were going to all vote for him. :P Since MR is still here though, DDL is back out and MR is back in.

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:00 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:02 pm Speedchuck, talk to me about DDL. If you can convince me that DDL's town, I might be open to considering MR as an option, too.
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME this is the last thing he said about DDL before welcoming him into his towncore. I haven't looked at what speed or DDL posted in between those, but regardless I don't know how you could call that well-developed.
Oh. Yeah, it wasn't well-developed. Can't deny that, lol. I just made a decision on the fly and decided to roll with it.

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:19 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:03 pm Lol yeah speed wasn't convincing and ddl hardly said anything relevant, Hyena just decided to townread him somewhere in there without explaining why.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:44 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:44 pm Actually, Nanook, would you go for MR for self-preservation purposes?
I like the people on MR way more than I do the other wagons.
It really makes no sense.
Yeah, basically this!

[/spoiler]

Is random indicative of scum?

Do any of the progressions bother you in particular?

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:05 pm I just read through Hyena who was another of 112's bad reads. One thing she says about him is his posts are short but usually contain more substance when he's town. I'll take a look at Inception in a while to see if that was true early on in the game, it's certainly true in this one. She also said she thought he picked up her comment that "Hyena is tricky" and was waiting to use it on him later. It seemed to me he had already used it by the time she said that to say she was bad as he pointed to how it was used in the champs WC game to pocket him (by 112's scum pattern Eva). So I'm not sure what her point was there.

Hyena made big statements about wanting to lynch 112, at one point even asking people to please join him to do it. I know this is WIFOM but it seems unlikely to me that his mafia team (if he is bad) would kill her given how strong his statements were about wanting to kill her in the Lynch.

lots of linki and it looks like some of it's about me - I will read after I post.

I'm not sure what the hell nutella is on about, I feel like juliets is fine for now. See post above.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:03 pm (For real, I probably shouldnt have said yes to this game. I'm trying to finish my thesis this week.)

Good to see you regardless. I think everyone will take that into consideration. Good luck with it!

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:23 pm Do you suspect me? If so tell me more. Unless you subscribe to the Nanook school now.

Let's try to be careful about statements that are made that could be seen as attacking the player and not the play.

Nanook/nutella never w/w, probably v/v actually. Could be v/w, and if so, nutella is the scum.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:50 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:48 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:56 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:26 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:25 pm 2 of my 3 scumreads were wrong, you know what that means.

IM DUE BABAY, VOTE NUTELLA BYE SCUM
Grats on the baby fam but u bad
I read these two as w/w for the past two pages.
What a shock.

Remind me why you’re reading me wolf again, is it the same garbage reason you started with or you have found a new reason to tunnel?
Yikes

You obviously know speedchuck is town and are being aggressive without reason.

[citation needed]

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:30 pm Juliets and DDL have similar problems. They haven't stood out or made any impact. I don't like that.

The more I think about it the worse I feel about juliets. She has shown the bare bones of her meta without any of the meat. Her most content-ful post was a lengthy justification of her sig vote after sig had flipped. Not great.

Do you expect juliets and DDL to stand out or make any impact?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:11 pm Hot take Sloonei replaced into a scum slot

Hot take pt 2 he's teamed with nanook

Explain these to me please.

I'm absolutely mentally and emotionally obliterated, but I'm here to catch up at least.

I don't have time for this right now, but I'll be here when I can.

Sigh, RIP 112. I was looking forward to playing with you some more.

I'll be pretty busy until tomorrow evening, apologies in advance.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:42 pm And btw Re: the poll we can always use the hidden lynch to can a low-poster while actively hunting with the public poll. It's not the best use of it, but it is less susceptible to scum manipulation.

An intriguing proposition. Perhaps the secret vote could be to lynch someone very clearly in the bottom rung of the POE, perhaps due to low post count or LHF or whatever.

Oh, and thanks for clarifying guys, re: Inception.

I'm 100% okay with my vote on Option 1 as well now, by the way. I think, if implemented correctly, it gives us the best chance to win going forward. I do sort of hope it's only for one day cycle though and not permanent because it could get us to LYLO really quickly.

I appreciate the efforts from everyone, by the way. I'll try to cheerlead this thread back into a less... negative environment which I feel bad for my contributions to.

I plan on doing more solving at some point, but just so you all know I'll be inactive on that front until sometime during Day 2 due to work and other fun obligations.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:08 pm I think this might be the only game outside the one I ran and Take Me Out with open claims that I’ve seen here. Not 100% sure about that but I think it’s true.

We had a series of heists where open claiming was allowed and encouraged, where Jay and I used the matrix setup modeled after Champs that one year. That's been a while, and Sloonei seemingly resurrected it for our recent heist which was my return game, so I'd add those as well.

112 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:58 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:56 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:41 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine
I feel disgusting doing this, lol.
This is right before the above quotes. Would be say this about a scum buddy? Idk *wifom emoji* maybe he has tmi on town!nanook instead. Maybe DDL is his partner, though that would also be a weird interaction. I just get bad feelings about Hyena from those few posts, independently of nanook's alignment. He could have known MR and Nanook would both flip town. There are various possible interpretations but mostly Hyena looks icky around that part of the phase.
Whether or not nute is right, I'd clear her for this. It's a very developed read.

I'll ISO Hyena later in the night. I was sussing him a bit to myself but didn't say anything yesterday as I was focused on other people. It does read like a tmi on town!nook now that I'm looking back at it.

I was pretty okay with Hyena being town for Day 1, but I echo the calls for further examination there.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:51 pm
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nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:17 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:47 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:46 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:44 pm Actually, Nanook, would you go for MR for self-preservation purposes?
Obviously I’ll go anyone for self prez if it comes to it lol
Okay, cool. I'll settle for MR then.
[VOTE: Master Radish] aubergine

DDL, welcome to my towncore. You're taking MR's spot.
Uh ohhhhh

Nutella no likey

Im high btw
This was a huge moment, and not just because I was high lol. This was an awful look on Hyena, and made me think I had misplaced my trust in him. I think it's possible he's teammates with Nanook and was looking for a reason to justify joining the MR train to save his teammate. Why did he suddenly decide to trust DDL of all people? It made no sense. Hyena explain yourself.

I like this line of thinking from you.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:47 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:40 pm Pop quiz!

Jack is mafia. Who can tell me why?
Don't know, but from my limited meta I'm feeling he sounds a bit like Inception Jack lately.

Sorry, I'm going to be unfamiliar with all the Inception references. What alignment was Jack there, how did he play, and how long was he alive?

112 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:32 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:18 pm Why do you keep calling this an open setup, is there a role or character list somewhere that I’m missing?
Sorry- you're right that it's not an open setup. I've confused my terminology. I just mean that roles are claimable whereas in my past experience on this site there was no claiming, which I thought to be typical of the game culture here.

It still is typical from what I know, although it's more mixed these days as our culture has developed over time. Open-setup role madness games with strict no claims were carried over heavily from prior to Syndicate days when I tried to resurrect mafia after Lostpedia and affiliated sites mafia started getting harder to fill after the show ended and various other things. Since we expanded due to Champs exposure in Season 2, it's been slowly becoming more mixed. With that said, I don't have as direct knowledge of the last couple of years' worth of games since I've been less involved around here.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:20 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:47 am I quickly caught up, some thoughts:

Wary of Jack. I don't have any idea what to make of him, and I've not really seen him post like this before. The balance of content and jokes and post number is just way off. I know that sounds weird but it'sameta.

It occurred to me reading around the EOD that LC had a bunch of random votes and wagon pushers early... which was exactly the strategy I used with him in a scumgame that just ended. The mafia planned out a bunch of initial busses to look unaligned, and we (Read: LC) won thanks to that. LC is definitely someone to look into tomorrow, as well as anyone who pushed him early.

Even in that case, I think there was scum vote manipulation around the EOD. It would be good if people stated the reasons for their votes and (if they weren't on sig) whether they still believe in their wagons.
Ok, but kill them before me, because no, I didn't try to immediately implement an identical plan. PLUS, those early pushers were weaksauce. Nobody really believed M plus 7 intended to lynch me Day 1 for revenge. When it worked for us, it stood up to Detective Sloonei going back over it with a fine-toothed comb, coming up with the conclusion that the planned suspicion looked more real than the Tony suspicion. This is not that.

This correction makes me feel mildly better about LC. I realize it's fakeable, but there's less reason for him to correct this if he's scum and wants us all guessing.

112 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:44 am
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speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:47 am I quickly caught up, some thoughts:

Wary of Jack. I don't have any idea what to make of him, and I've not really seen him post like this before. The balance of content and jokes and post number is just way off. I know that sounds weird but it'sameta.

It occurred to me reading around the EOD that LC had a bunch of random votes and wagon pushers early... which was exactly the strategy I used with him in a scumgame that just ended. The mafia planned out a bunch of initial busses to look unaligned, and we (Read: LC) won thanks to that. LC is definitely someone to look into tomorrow, as well as anyone who pushed him early.

Even in that case, I think there was scum vote manipulation around the EOD. It would be good if people stated the reasons for their votes and (if they weren't on sig) whether they still believe in their wagons.
I fully agree with this post--so much that it makes me sort of wary of you.

If MP is highly emotional regardless of his affiliation, I rescind my last evening's clearing of him and refer back to tonal impurities I've noticed in his talk at points; he's still on the table. I have a very hard time, again, thinking that a wolf would become so upset in a not-highly-competitive game like this one, but he is gearing up for a Champs run, so that may explain it if he is actually wolfing.

It wouldn't be a bad strategy for him to pick out a bunch of people who he knows are TP and mention them as being towncored with him--along with mentioning maybe one person (if that) who are actually wolfing and try to bring them through with him.

Scum manipulation last night makes sense, but it could be that all our wagons were TP and they let us screw ourselves over into any lynch we wanted at the time because they weren't particularly worried about appearances at that point.

Just a minor correction: I'm not representing us this year, and so I'm not really preparing for a run any time soon. That'd be JaggedJimmyJay, and Sloonei is our backup. I played in Season 5 (qualifier, wildcards, finale). I signed up for the first practice champs game on MU because other than Champs that year, I haven't really been around any sites to play much since then until very recently, IRL stuff. I would like another shot at it one of these days though, TBD, especially since IRL exploded during my finale and we got swept by scum.

Per your last point, I think it's all speculative and hard to say at this time. I'm considering both possibilities myself.

112 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:35 am
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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:40 am
112 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:48 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:23 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:19 am I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side
I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.
I don't think we should assume affiliations are tied to roleplaying in any way. That's a bad way to run an open set-up game.
This is probably wrong too
Probably if you say so. I'm not sure how open set-ups are usually run on this site, and Epi/Mac seem like funtime hosts, so I'll defer to a more experienced Syndicate player on this.

I've adjusted to my meds quite a bit and should be more aware of my thread surroundings today.

Epi has hosted a very wide variety of games, but they're always high quality and well-thought out, and I'd expect the same from Mac. Other than that, hard to say.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:01 am TFW you forget MP is highly emotional.

Thanks for the response Juliets.

I used to be really ashamed about that aspect of my personality, but not as much anymore.

Okay I need a brain break, I'll be back at some point, probably tomorrow so I can at the least vote if not do hunting.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:27 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:25 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:22 pm 1 and 3 are fine. 2 can fuck right off, I’ll definitely ending up forgetting about it and eating a modkill halfway through D2 lmao
Well, 3 means no CFDs basically, which... can be good/bad depending on one's view therein. Also it maybe encourages people to park which I'm not a huge fan of.
Naw, it’s literally the same as a normal day just with artificial EOD an hour earlier. You still have fire drills and whatever, they’re just an hour earlier

Oh yeah, guess that's true.

These mechanics are cool either way.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:25 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:25 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:22 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:21 pm OOoooh new rule!! Secret second lynch ftw.
Wait, talk me through this because I initially thought it sounded bad. We get more information via a second lynch, but secret votes sounds like a bad idea.
It's literally an extra lynch. I'm pretty sure that's pro-town on balance. The catch is that town have to have a general consensus in thread, or mafia will snag the majority easily. This happened in the GOC and everyone just claimed who their secret vote was gonna be on a consensus suspect.
Okay, you're right, if that's true, then we should totally do #1 I think.

Actually I think you're still right but let's think more about this. We'll be presumably at 13 players assuming one player dies tonight.

If we have 3 deaths per cycle instead of 2... how much faster does that put us at LYLO assuming we fuck up?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:25 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:22 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:21 pm OOoooh new rule!! Secret second lynch ftw.
Wait, talk me through this because I initially thought it sounded bad. We get more information via a second lynch, but secret votes sounds like a bad idea.
It's literally an extra lynch. I'm pretty sure that's pro-town on balance. The catch is that town have to have a general consensus in thread, or mafia will snag the majority easily. This happened in the GOC and everyone just claimed who their secret vote was gonna be on a consensus suspect.

Okay, you're right, if that's true, then we should totally do #1 I think.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:22 pm 1 and 3 are fine. 2 can fuck right off, I’ll definitely ending up forgetting about it and eating a modkill halfway through D2 lmao

Well, 3 means no CFDs basically, which... can be good/bad depending on one's view therein. Also it maybe encourages people to park which I'm not a huge fan of.

Wait, how does the second lynch work exactly?

[mention]Epignosis[/mention]

Does it mean there will be:

1) one public lynch where we exclusively vote via the poll, and someone dies, AND one secret lynch where we exclusively vote via PMs

OR

2) one public lynch where we vote via the poll AND another vote via the PMs, and the top two die?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:21 pm OOoooh new rule!! Secret second lynch ftw.

Wait, talk me through this because I initially thought it sounded bad. We get more information via a second lynch, but secret votes sounds like a bad idea.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:20 pm I mean he had a fairly garbage role, so...meh

Also I’m basically always going to self prez, and even if I weren’t self prezzing I still probably wouldn’t have let it tie, fuck rand ties are bad and everyone involved should be ashamed.

But the memes, Nanook. THE MEMES!

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