The Syndicate

Elohcin wrote:MP... I am claire for goodness sakes. Claire is not bad.

G-Man wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

G-Man wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

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G-Man wrote:Come back when you can, MP. I'll leave you this commentary on yourself to look over:

Day 1:
-His first game-relevant post (a town read on Daisy) comes over halfway through the Day phase
-Apology for focusing too much on another game
-Comes back to the game with two hours left on the clock
-Lots of little catch-up comments, mostly agreeing with people, then he starts asking questions
-Prods Soneji's assertion that G-Man's later posts reek of scum
-Finds fault in Quin's suspicions of him for being a late claimer
-POE's three current Hatchlings off his D1 suspect list
-Asks Dom to add depth to his bad vibes for G-Man
-After snark from Soneji, he starts to poke holes in Soneji's suspicions of G-Man
-Shade on Sorsha. He votes for her for a moment but backs off when she says she's in a car but doesn't actually answer his question.
-Makes the first mention of a CFD after easing off of Sorsha and feling meh about Eloh
-Says he's contemplating Rico and Soneji
-Votes Soneji


Night 1:
-Promises to be involved in this game more
-Short back and forth with INH about scrutinizing Soneji voters
-Finds fault with DF's thought process on the possibility of a save
-Mentions Eloh focused on Soneji votes

Day 2 (in the Hatch):
-Shoot, sorry guys. I'll try to catch up.


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A lot of my suspicion for MP stems from the cycle of his activity. There's all but nothing all day phase and then he comes in, asks a couple of questions, plants a few seeds of doubt, and is (dare I say) the originator, though not first voter, of the Soneji CFD. We haven't played together often enough, so I'll ask the rest of you- is that normal MP behavior? Is that distracted MP behavior? I get that he is focused on another game and hasn't taken in all the little details but he sure commented on a number of them. Then he disappears again when relatively little discussion has focused on him.

I get being busy in real life and with another game (though one could argue that's why you shouldn't play more than one game at a time), but to open the floodgates in the last two hours only to slam those gates shut again stands out to me. Unfortunately for MP, I won't be able to look past that until he's here on a consistent basis. I feel like MP wouldn't stand for a player being non-participatory for most of a phase; coming in late with pokes, prods, and shade; and all but leading a random vote switch over a more careful and focused approach. For that reason, I cannot let him "get away with it" here.

So you think the timing of my activity is inherently suspicious?

Can't say it's inherently suspicious because, as I said, I understand real life and losing focus due to other games (I mean, that was the whole reason I started posting in pictures in Economics) but when that's one of the few things to analyze you over, it weighs on my mind more. Are you suggesting that if the tables were reversed, and I had been all but a non-participant, only to blast in before the deadline and cause a CFD and then duck out until a few hours before the next deadline that you wouldn't analyze the hell out of it?

The problem I have with it is that it's crazy bold for a baddie to do that. But then I keep telling myself that small games like these are prime opportunities for baddies to something crazy bold. It's got me going in circles, really. I don't like it but it doesn't seem like rationale baddie behavior but it's a short game.... See?

I wouldn't say I'm a non-participant though; I've had content to analyze, don't you think?

Furthermore, what's the mafia motivation for me to specifically time my entrances to be near EoD? What's the benefit? Wouldn't it be better for me to exert more influence over the thread?

I think townies are generally more involved with CFDs than mafia members (generalizing of course) because mafia members don't know how to handle CFDs and don't want to bring unwanted attention to themselves. In Turf Wars, the townies successfully caught a mafia member with a CFD on Day 2, but proceeded to lose the game after spending lynch after lynch analyzing everyone's behavior surrounding the CFD and incorrectly making assumptions that didn't exist. All of the mafia team avoided talking about the CFD as much as possible and stayed in the background as town picked itself apart. I find that more common than mafia members actively taking risks to start CFDs.

Come on, now. You had five posts in the first 46 hours of Day 1 and only one of them was game-relevant. You generated lots of content in the lead-up to the deadline and afterward, but by my definition, you were AWOL for most of Day 1. I have to factor that into how I read the content you did provide after you got involved. That's the context of your participation. Doesn't mean it's leading me in the right direction but I have to analyze what you post and when you post it.

I'm not saying you're timing your entrances. I always find it odd when people suddenly get really active as the deadline approached. Granted, I'm weird in that I can read along and post a little at a time throughout the work day, but it bugs me when it's like a ghost town and then a flurry of activity at the most crucial time. The benefit to coming in and poking holes in some theories, prodding others, and casting shade in new directions (or reinforcing shade in existing directions) is that you subtly help teammates evade suspicion or the lynch. Especially if one of your teammates is getting a share of the spotlight.

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Quin wrote:G-Man

Eloh
DFaraday

MovingPictures07

insertnamehere

I'll find time today to elaborate on these individually.

That's about what I've earned with my play so far, so I can understand that placement.

I don't think I ever did this. I rarely ever keep my promises, but I actually intended to this time

I blame the internet.

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Quin, will you lynch Elohcin with me?

Ask me again in an hour. I want to see how the rest of the conversation plays out.

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

G-Man wrote:Could you all humor me for a minute? I'm pretty convinced that one of us is going to die since there are more denizens of the Hatch tonight. Of the seven of us, who do you think is most likely to be killed?

In the off chance I am wrong, who do you think will be killed at the beach?

G-Man, what's the point of this question? How does it assist in your determination of others' alignments?

I had the same thought, but I didn't make anything of it. As for his response, it just sounds like he's trying to pass it off as nothing. I feel neutral about it, leaning bad.

G-Man wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

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G-Man wrote:Come back when you can, MP. I'll leave you this commentary on yourself to look over:

Day 1:
-His first game-relevant post (a town read on Daisy) comes over halfway through the Day phase
-Apology for focusing too much on another game
-Comes back to the game with two hours left on the clock
-Lots of little catch-up comments, mostly agreeing with people, then he starts asking questions
-Prods Soneji's assertion that G-Man's later posts reek of scum
-Finds fault in Quin's suspicions of him for being a late claimer
-POE's three current Hatchlings off his D1 suspect list
-Asks Dom to add depth to his bad vibes for G-Man
-After snark from Soneji, he starts to poke holes in Soneji's suspicions of G-Man
-Shade on Sorsha. He votes for her for a moment but backs off when she says she's in a car but doesn't actually answer his question.
-Makes the first mention of a CFD after easing off of Sorsha and feling meh about Eloh
-Says he's contemplating Rico and Soneji
-Votes Soneji


Night 1:
-Promises to be involved in this game more
-Short back and forth with INH about scrutinizing Soneji voters
-Finds fault with DF's thought process on the possibility of a save
-Mentions Eloh focused on Soneji votes

Day 2 (in the Hatch):
-Shoot, sorry guys. I'll try to catch up.


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A lot of my suspicion for MP stems from the cycle of his activity. There's all but nothing all day phase and then he comes in, asks a couple of questions, plants a few seeds of doubt, and is (dare I say) the originator, though not first voter, of the Soneji CFD. We haven't played together often enough, so I'll ask the rest of you- is that normal MP behavior? Is that distracted MP behavior? I get that he is focused on another game and hasn't taken in all the little details but he sure commented on a number of them. Then he disappears again when relatively little discussion has focused on him.

I get being busy in real life and with another game (though one could argue that's why you shouldn't play more than one game at a time), but to open the floodgates in the last two hours only to slam those gates shut again stands out to me. Unfortunately for MP, I won't be able to look past that until he's here on a consistent basis. I feel like MP wouldn't stand for a player being non-participatory for most of a phase; coming in late with pokes, prods, and shade; and all but leading a random vote switch over a more careful and focused approach. For that reason, I cannot let him "get away with it" here.

So you think the timing of my activity is inherently suspicious?

Can't say it's inherently suspicious because, as I said, I understand real life and losing focus due to other games (I mean, that was the whole reason I started posting in pictures in Economics) but when that's one of the few things to analyze you over, it weighs on my mind more. Are you suggesting that if the tables were reversed, and I had been all but a non-participant, only to blast in before the deadline and cause a CFD and then duck out until a few hours before the next deadline that you wouldn't analyze the hell out of it?

The problem I have with it is that it's crazy bold for a baddie to do that. But then I keep telling myself that small games like these are prime opportunities for baddies to something crazy bold. It's got me going in circles, really. I don't like it but it doesn't seem like rationale baddie behavior but it's a short game.... See?

Elohcin wrote:

Quin wrote:Sorry, all. My internet has gone to shit again and it's entirely likely I might not get it back for a few days. I can't really address anything specific because I'm using a really bad hotspot internet, but I will when I get a chance. Here's what I can say right now before I check out again.

Eloh's answer to my question isn't great. She reacted like my earlier post about having a power role was so significant, but if she were a civ-minded player in this game, she wouldn't have missed something that significant.

I don't like anything about INH's day 1. I've covered the majority of my thoughts about him in the main thread, so give that a look.

I'm not opposed to a vote for MP. I think my hypothesis about late declarers has some merit, although admittedly it's not the strongest Day 1 thing.


Just so I have a Day 2 vote out there, I'm voting INH again. I'm not caught up in the slightest.


@Golden - if I don't check in for a few days, feel free to replace me.

Yes, I reacted as if your power role claiming was significant b/c I thought it WAS significant. You did it right at the beginning of night 1 as if to day, hey baddie kill ME. That is what made it significant. I don't think a civ would put it out there right at that point. If/when you claimed that in the beginning of the game, it wasn't as significant to me.

I don't want to vote MP today. He's barely here and I think it would be a mistake. I am thinking Sorsha or Quin and here is why. Quin b/c of his power role claim right at the beginning of Night 1 when the killer is thinking about who to kill. And Sorsha b/c of her Day 1 lack of contributions. Searching for Walk is all she did.

G-Man wrote:Considering a vote for MP for the shock value. It's been a while since he's peed in my face over something.

G-Man wrote:Courteously requesting rainbow lists from DF and MP. I'd like to condense all the results and ask a few questions.

G-Man wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

G-Man wrote:Curiosity satisfaction. It didn't help me determine anyone's alignments and I don't think I was even trying to use it as such. A question popped into my mind so I asked it.

I just don't understand why that would be a conversation you would engage in, so I'm trying to understand, that's all. Thanks for responding.

Content generation for the sake of eliciting content from others is mostly what I've been doing all game. I'm a terrible civvie but I'm hoping that if/when I die, better civs than I may look back through my posts and reactions/responses to my posts and say 'a-ha!'

insertnamehere wrote:RAINBOW HATCH LIST:

DFaraday
G-Man
MovingPictures
Elohcin
Quin

To be honest, I'm not really sure of any dude's alignment. I've ranked people based on how likely I think they are bad, but the margins are pretty close.

DFaraday wrote:Sorry I'm late, I was in the bathroom doing heroin. I mean...looking for peanut butter. For heroin. I mean Clairoin. I mean Claire.

Anyway, I don't think it's a coincidence that two of Rico's top suspects, G-Man and Elo (who incidentally were both up for lynching before that last second save), were here in the hatch with Rico and he turns up dead. WIFOM and all that, but right now I'd wager it's one of those two.

Elohcin wrote:Elohcin
G-man
Insertnamehere
DFaraday
MovingPictures07
Quin

After finding out Rico was killed, this is my rainbow list of those here in the Hatch.

linki...what do you mean by hatch claim/overall claim?

Elohcin wrote:I hit play and danced a jig, G. Thanks for the music.

Quin wrote:Me, because I have a power role.

Why would you say this. Do you WANT to be killed? Or are you mafia?

I was thinking MP as well. I think he is civ and I can imagine the baddies picking to off him early.

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woah woah woah.....this is nuts. So we are stuck in the hatch for day 2? And Rico is dead. So one of the Hatchlings are bad for sure.

Quin wrote:G-Man

Eloh
DFaraday

MovingPictures07

insertnamehere

I'll find time today to elaborate on these individually.

G-Man wrote:Curiosity satisfaction. It didn't help me determine anyone's alignments and I don't think I was even trying to use it as such. A question popped into my mind so I asked it.

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:Here's a hypothesis: Just going by the fact that we're in lockdown, if Golden is being realistic (which I imagine he is), we shouldn't physically be able to lynch outside of us that are in the hatch. So if we did vote outside of us, maybe we'd get a no lynch.

If Golden wants to tell me that I'm an absolute moron and should never post again, he can do that too.

Don't be silly. The word 'moron' is saved only for vanilla civilians who claim cop and then claim to have red peeked the real cop, causing himself to get lynched and the cop to get NKed immediately after (thanks for handing me that win, MP! It's still one of my favourites!). It also only gets paired with the word 'suicidal'.

As for your statement of what might happen...

G-Man wrote:Could you all humor me for a minute? I'm pretty convinced that one of us is going to die since there are more denizens of the Hatch tonight. Of the seven of us, who do you think is most likely to be killed?

In the off chance I am wrong, who do you think will be killed at the beach?