Hatch thread

[Quin]

Clamming up on suspicions until I see lists from DF and MP, sorry. I don't want my newest thoughts influencing their lists.

You think you're that influential?

Whatever dude.

Certainly not. I just don't want to add anything new to the pot. Baddies will look at what's out there and calibrate their faux-suspicions ever so slightly to the ebb and flow of everyone else. The lower portion of DFaraday's recent list didn't surprise me much because he had mentioned Eloh and I as his prime suspects earlier.

I'm most curious to see what MP thinks of all us Hatchlings.

Linki: I've shared quite a bit, I think. I verbally poked and prodded a few people, threw out some ideas (some wilder than others), and have been receptive to Q&A. The only things I've held out on have been my location claim for N1 and my revised rainbow list. Calling me reluctant to share is a bit of a stretch.

Refusing to share your reads because bad dudes might, I dunno, "calibrate their faux-suspicions" around this sure-to-be prophetic rainbow list seems pretty silly to me, because all you're really doing is making the civilians less informed.

Also think it's funny that you demand everyone else's rainbow list, but treat your own like some sacred text which only you can see.

You're twisting facts, INH. G-Man holding back his updated reads until two others have presented theirs only deprives us of information for as long as those players withhold their reads. It's not as clear cut as you're painting it.

[Quin]

I've mostly agreed with INH's thoughts, and Quin reads sincere to me, even though I'm not a fan of his Soneji vote. Still, it doesn't feel as opportunistic as some of the later votes.

G-Man's reluctance to share throughout this game makes me view him more suspiciously as well.

I would call your dislike of my Soneji vote and my placement on the top tier of your rainbow list a contradiction. Is my sincerity enough for you? Is there a more specific reason that you would call me town?

[Quin]

Can you tell me your feelings about voting for either INH or DF?

Dude.

Are you gonna explain anything about your reads?

Are you gonna say anything more about why you think I'm bad other than "tin foil"?

Are you honestly expecting us to give you content without you giving any analysis in return- only vague illogical justifications?

I was honestly really liking most of the content you made in D1, but this is just getting ridiculous.

I'm going to put my vote on G-Man until he explains himself. And I also reserve the right to leave it there if I'm not thrilled with the answers.

Most of this is just a blatant discredit of G-Man's content.

[Marmot]

I can't change my votes either, yeah.

Try harder.

[Tangrowth]

I'm so sorry for not being around; my temporary abundance of free time has nearly all but vanished since I'm trying to get all this teaching and dissertation committee / topic formation work done before I leave for Cincinnati next week.

I'll be back within the next few hours to catch up.

[G-Man]

Cuz we might as well have one for in here:

DFaraday
Elohcin
G-Man
Insertnamehere
MovingPictures07
Quin
Ricochet

[Tangrowth]

Unfortunately I'm going to be unexpectedly busy this afternoon, so I'm going to speed-catch up in GYBE, then here, and hopefully I'll have time to be back at EoD but it's uncertain.

[G-Man]

Clawing my way through notes and comparing ISO's from before and during Lockdown. Here's what I gathered on DF:

Day 1:
-Roleplay
-Roleplay plus advising me to ease off the in-your-face aspect of my roleplay a smidge
-G-Man's plan is flawed but that doesn't make him bad for throwing it out there
-Cheeky reference catch that I missed
-Agrees with Rico's skepticism of Eloh

Night 1:
-Angry post about an out-of-nowhere lynch of Soneji. Theorizes about Soneji voters being bad and a save attempt.
-Chastising Scotty for his vote rationale
-Not amused by Sorsha's potential hypocrisy

Day 2 (inside Hatch):
-Suggests Eloh and G-Man as potential killers since they were Rico's top suspects
-Suggests G-Man more suspicious because he claimed a location later. States he is inclined to vote for a Hatchling because Rico's death suggests killer is among us.
-Rainbow list
-Follow-up thoughts on list. Says G-Man's been reluctant to share.
-Rescinds his comment on G-Man being reluctant to share


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DF isn't one to post much early on. I've gotten used to that. His Day 1 content improves as the day goes on. I get why he looks to Rico's theory on Eloh. I'm guilty of singling her out first to look for slips/vibes as well. I just happen to disagree with it this time.

Night 1 struck me as a stark departure from his Day 1 tone. It was a very strong reaction. Maybe I just don't remember seeing him do this in prior games but it was a sharp change in direction for him. It's only my interpretation but it felt like his progression was like
:P ---> --->

He expresses a lack of amusement or points fingers at a few people before the lockdown.

After Rico dies, his thought process is right to stay inside the Hatch. I agree that it sure looks we've got a killer among us. I don't plan on voting for a Beach Body today either. I don't really buy the notion that I am more suspicious because I waited so long to claim a location. Eloh claimed first and I claimed last. DF even location claimed third overall and with his first post of the game. I would like to hear more rationale behind why it makes me more suspicious, because I can think of a several location claim strategies, an easy one being "all baddies claim early-to-mid day and cast shade on late claimers."

I can also poke holes in the "Rico's top suspects are the most suspicious because he died" theory but I'm sure he sees the setup potential there.

I liked his full rainbow list. It's above and beyond what I asked for but I can also see a baddie doing that.

I don't know overall. It's 50-50 for me whether a baddie would come out swinging Day 2. In smaller games like these, it's not a bad idea. Mislynch another civ, get egg on your face, and slip back into the crowd. Given that I've made myself an easier target with my roleplay, I doubt people would policy lynch him over leading a charge against me.

[G-Man]

Come back when you can, MP. I'll leave you this commentary on yourself to look over:

Day 1:
-His first game-relevant post (a town read on Daisy) comes over halfway through the Day phase
-Apology for focusing too much on another game
-Comes back to the game with two hours left on the clock
-Lots of little catch-up comments, mostly agreeing with people, then he starts asking questions
-Prods Soneji's assertion that G-Man's later posts reek of scum
-Finds fault in Quin's suspicions of him for being a late claimer
-POE's three current Hatchlings off his D1 suspect list
-Asks Dom to add depth to his bad vibes for G-Man
-After snark from Soneji, he starts to poke holes in Soneji's suspicions of G-Man
-Shade on Sorsha. He votes for her for a moment but backs off when she says she's in a car but doesn't actually answer his question.
-Makes the first mention of a CFD after easing off of Sorsha and feling meh about Eloh
-Says he's contemplating Rico and Soneji
-Votes Soneji


Night 1:
-Promises to be involved in this game more
-Short back and forth with INH about scrutinizing Soneji voters
-Finds fault with DF's thought process on the possibility of a save
-Mentions Eloh focused on Soneji votes

Day 2 (in the Hatch):
-Shoot, sorry guys. I'll try to catch up.


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A lot of my suspicion for MP stems from the cycle of his activity. There's all but nothing all day phase and then he comes in, asks a couple of questions, plants a few seeds of doubt, and is (dare I say) the originator, though not first voter, of the Soneji CFD. We haven't played together often enough, so I'll ask the rest of you- is that normal MP behavior? Is that distracted MP behavior? I get that he is focused on another game and hasn't taken in all the little details but he sure commented on a number of them. Then he disappears again when relatively little discussion has focused on him.

I get being busy in real life and with another game (though one could argue that's why you shouldn't play more than one game at a time), but to open the floodgates in the last two hours only to slam those gates shut again stands out to me. Unfortunately for MP, I won't be able to look past that until he's here on a consistent basis. I feel like MP wouldn't stand for a player being non-participatory for most of a phase; coming in late with pokes, prods, and shade; and all but leading a random vote switch over a more careful and focused approach. For that reason, I cannot let him "get away with it" here.

[G-Man]

Claiming the Hatch again for Night 2, in case this lockdown ends. I suggest we all claim a location again so we're not ambiguous targets. Something tells me Golden the Coward won't specify where a non-claimer gets killed.

[Golden]

Can someone please confirm they can change their votes?

[G-Man]

Changes can be made! I voted for the host/dead option to test it out. Yes, my vote is able to be changed. Looks like the problem is fixed.

Does this mean the lockdown is over?

[Golden]

Does this mean the lockdown is over?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

No.

[Tangrowth]

I have to go sooner than expected. Apologies for by subpar play this game, but things are ramping up for me. I'll definitely be back closer to EoD though.

[Elohcin]

Sorry, all. My internet has gone to shit again and it's entirely likely I might not get it back for a few days. I can't really address anything specific because I'm using a really bad hotspot internet, but I will when I get a chance. Here's what I can say right now before I check out again.

Eloh's answer to my question isn't great. She reacted like my earlier post about having a power role was so significant, but if she were a civ-minded player in this game, she wouldn't have missed something that significant.

I don't like anything about INH's day 1. I've covered the majority of my thoughts about him in the main thread, so give that a look.

I'm not opposed to a vote for MP. I think my hypothesis about late declarers has some merit, although admittedly it's not the strongest Day 1 thing.


Just so I have a Day 2 vote out there, I'm voting INH again. I'm not caught up in the slightest.


@Golden - if I don't check in for a few days, feel free to replace me.

Yes, I reacted as if your power role claiming was significant b/c I thought it WAS significant. You did it right at the beginning of night 1 as if to day, hey baddie kill ME. That is what made it significant. I don't think a civ would put it out there right at that point. If/when you claimed that in the beginning of the game, it wasn't as significant to me.

I don't want to vote MP today. He's barely here and I think it would be a mistake. I am thinking Sorsha or Quin and here is why. Quin b/c of his power role claim right at the beginning of Night 1 when the killer is thinking about who to kill. And Sorsha b/c of her Day 1 lack of contributions. Searching for Walk is all she did.

I get that you think it would be more significant given the timing of either post, but you admitted in your earlier post that you didn't even notice it the first time. In that lies my qualm with you, because any civ-minded player who reacted so strongly to a role-claim should not have missed one in the first place, regardless of its circumstantial significance. You could very well be a baddie who's not giving enough scrutiny to the early-game, making the mistake of thinking it's not particularly relevant content.

I work at home part time WHILE raising three beloved children. I also homeschool these children. Three different ages, three different curricula. I do all household chores (except about 95% of the cooking). I'm the age 7-9 coordinator for my kids' homeschool group. I sing in a band. I am a civ in a mafia game. And on top of all that right now I am working to pack up our entire home by myself. I think it's alright if I miss or forget one of your posts.

Can you tell me your feelings about voting for either INH or DF?

I think these are both civs, G.

Not caught up but posting anyway.

[Quin]

Sorry, all. My internet has gone to shit again and it's entirely likely I might not get it back for a few days. I can't really address anything specific because I'm using a really bad hotspot internet, but I will when I get a chance. Here's what I can say right now before I check out again.

Eloh's answer to my question isn't great. She reacted like my earlier post about having a power role was so significant, but if she were a civ-minded player in this game, she wouldn't have missed something that significant.

I don't like anything about INH's day 1. I've covered the majority of my thoughts about him in the main thread, so give that a look.

I'm not opposed to a vote for MP. I think my hypothesis about late declarers has some merit, although admittedly it's not the strongest Day 1 thing.


Just so I have a Day 2 vote out there, I'm voting INH again. I'm not caught up in the slightest.


@Golden - if I don't check in for a few days, feel free to replace me.

Yes, I reacted as if your power role claiming was significant b/c I thought it WAS significant. You did it right at the beginning of night 1 as if to day, hey baddie kill ME. That is what made it significant. I don't think a civ would put it out there right at that point. If/when you claimed that in the beginning of the game, it wasn't as significant to me.

I don't want to vote MP today. He's barely here and I think it would be a mistake. I am thinking Sorsha or Quin and here is why. Quin b/c of his power role claim right at the beginning of Night 1 when the killer is thinking about who to kill. And Sorsha b/c of her Day 1 lack of contributions. Searching for Walk is all she did.

I get that you think it would be more significant given the timing of either post, but you admitted in your earlier post that you didn't even notice it the first time. In that lies my qualm with you, because any civ-minded player who reacted so strongly to a role-claim should not have missed one in the first place, regardless of its circumstantial significance. You could very well be a baddie who's not giving enough scrutiny to the early-game, making the mistake of thinking it's not particularly relevant content.

I work at home part time WHILE raising three beloved children. I also homeschool these children. Three different ages, three different curricula. I do all household chores (except about 95% of the cooking). I'm the age 7-9 coordinator for my kids' homeschool group. I sing in a band. I am a civ in a mafia game. And on top of all that right now I am working to pack up our entire home by myself. I think it's alright if I miss or forget one of your posts.

Can you tell me your feelings about voting for either INH or DF?

I think these are both civs, G.

Not caught up but posting anyway.

I hope you know I wasn't trying to suggest that you weren't putting in effort or anything, Eloh. I was thinking about your current moving situation as I wrote that and I was trying to keep it as separate as possible. But in a strictly game-related context, I just don't see a situation where you would miss such a significant post, even if you were just skimming.

[Quin]

I'll be staying in the hatch too. I've become complacent.

[Elohcin]

I am staying in the hatch even if we are allowed out

And, Quin...no hard feelings. Just crazy busy and exhausted. And somehow I missed it. Does that really make a huge impact on how you feel about me? I mean, I remember power roles being discussed. I remember golden saying there were 3 power roles. I remember people claiming power roles. But I didn't pay much attention to that at the time. It was beginning of day 1 and people were claiming all kind of crap. I didn't put too much into it. It was only the fact that you claimed right as the killers were probably thinking about who to kill that it specifically caught my attention.

Anyway....that is not the only reason I think you're bad out of those here at the hatch. And some of it is process of elimination. I think if MP were bad, he would be more involved. I think G is contributing. The only thing that irks me about him was his waiting until end of day to decide where he would lay his head at night. I think DF and INH sound civ. I could vote for Sorsha again. I really think she is bad this game. I just hate doing so when I haven't been able to hear from her all day. But, what the heck. I may still vote Sorsha. Please...tell me why you would want to claim a power role as a civ. Help me understand this.

[DFaraday]

At work, probably won't get a chance to post again before EOD. Voting G-Man and staying in the hatch. I like consistency, plus all the good music is here.

[Quin]

I am staying in the hatch even if we are allowed out

And, Quin...no hard feelings. Just crazy busy and exhausted. And somehow I missed it. Does that really make a huge impact on how you feel about me? I mean, I remember power roles being discussed. I remember golden saying there were 3 power roles. I remember people claiming power roles. But I didn't pay much attention to that at the time. It was beginning of day 1 and people were claiming all kind of crap. I didn't put too much into it. It was only the fact that you claimed right as the killers were probably thinking about who to kill that it specifically caught my attention.

Anyway....that is not the only reason I think you're bad out of those here at the hatch. And some of it is process of elimination. I think if MP were bad, he would be more involved. I think G is contributing. The only thing that irks me about him was his waiting until end of day to decide where he would lay his head at night. I think DF and INH sound civ. I could vote for Sorsha again. I really think she is bad this game. I just hate doing so when I haven't been able to hear from her all day. But, what the heck. I may still vote Sorsha. Please...tell me why you would want to claim a power role as a civ. Help me understand this.

It does have an impact. You're admitting to not reading through the early game, and my qualm with that is highlighted in an earlier post.

I claimed it because I have a power role. Why would I want to claim a power role as a baddie?

[Tangrowth]

I'll be catching up shortly.

[Elohcin]

I am staying in the hatch even if we are allowed out

And, Quin...no hard feelings. Just crazy busy and exhausted. And somehow I missed it. Does that really make a huge impact on how you feel about me? I mean, I remember power roles being discussed. I remember golden saying there were 3 power roles. I remember people claiming power roles. But I didn't pay much attention to that at the time. It was beginning of day 1 and people were claiming all kind of crap. I didn't put too much into it. It was only the fact that you claimed right as the killers were probably thinking about who to kill that it specifically caught my attention.

Anyway....that is not the only reason I think you're bad out of those here at the hatch. And some of it is process of elimination. I think if MP were bad, he would be more involved. I think G is contributing. The only thing that irks me about him was his waiting until end of day to decide where he would lay his head at night. I think DF and INH sound civ. I could vote for Sorsha again. I really think she is bad this game. I just hate doing so when I haven't been able to hear from her all day. But, what the heck. I may still vote Sorsha. Please...tell me why you would want to claim a power role as a civ. Help me understand this.

It does have an impact. You're admitting to not reading through the early game, and my qualm with that is highlighted in an earlier post.

I claimed it because I have a power role. Why would I want to claim a power role as a baddie?

Now, I have been nice, but now you are upsetting me. I have read every post this game. I never said I didn't. I said I remember people talking power roles. Do you always remember who said what? C'mon. I have been working so hard in all aspects to keep up with life and you are going to say I am admitting to not reading? NOT TRUE! I am so stretched thin right now and I will not let you tell me I didn't do something I did.

You didn't answer my question. Why would you WANT to claim your power role as a civ? What of that benefits you? You are just making yourself vulnerable to a night kill.

[G-Man]

Can't you think of a reason for a civve to claim a power role?

[Tangrowth]

Could you all humor me for a minute? I'm pretty convinced that one of us is going to die since there are more denizens of the Hatch tonight. Of the seven of us, who do you think is most likely to be killed?

In the off chance I am wrong, who do you think will be killed at the beach?

G-Man, what's the point of this question? How does it assist in your determination of others' alignments?

[G-Man]

Curiosity satisfaction. It didn't help me determine anyone's alignments and I don't think I was even trying to use it as such. A question popped into my mind so I asked it.

[Tangrowth]

Here's a hypothesis: Just going by the fact that we're in lockdown, if Golden is being realistic (which I imagine he is), we shouldn't physically be able to lynch outside of us that are in the hatch. So if we did vote outside of us, maybe we'd get a no lynch.

If Golden wants to tell me that I'm an absolute moron and should never post again, he can do that too.

Don't be silly. The word 'moron' is saved only for vanilla civilians who claim cop and then claim to have red peeked the real cop, causing himself to get lynched and the cop to get NKed immediately after (thanks for handing me that win, MP! It's still one of my favourites!). It also only gets paired with the word 'suicidal'.

As for your statement of what might happen...

[Tangrowth]

Curiosity satisfaction. It didn't help me determine anyone's alignments and I don't think I was even trying to use it as such. A question popped into my mind so I asked it.

I just don't understand why that would be a conversation you would engage in, so I'm trying to understand, that's all. Thanks for responding.

[Tangrowth]

G-Man

Eloh
DFaraday

MovingPictures07

insertnamehere

I'll find time today to elaborate on these individually.

That's about what I've earned with my play so far, so I can understand that placement.

[Elohcin]

Can't you think of a reason for a civve to claim a power role?

I want to hear HIS reason. I am up in the air between him and Sorsha. I cannot hear from Sorsha. I CAN hear from him. But he isn't trying to help himself.

[Tangrowth]

I hit play and danced a jig, G. Thanks for the music.

Me, because I have a power role.

Why would you say this. Do you WANT to be killed? Or are you mafia?

I was thinking MP as well. I think he is civ and I can imagine the baddies picking to off him early.

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woah woah woah.....this is nuts. So we are stuck in the hatch for day 2? And Rico is dead. So one of the Hatchlings are bad for sure.

What specifically have I done or said to have you reading me as town?

[Tangrowth]

Elohcin
G-man
Insertnamehere
DFaraday
MovingPictures07
Quin

After finding out Rico was killed, this is my rainbow list of those here in the Hatch.

linki...what do you mean by hatch claim/overall claim?

And how does you calling me town jive with this list? I don't understand. There's obvious lack of congruence.

[Tangrowth]

Sorry I'm late, I was in the bathroom doing heroin. I mean...looking for peanut butter. For heroin. I mean Clairoin. I mean Claire.

Anyway, I don't think it's a coincidence that two of Rico's top suspects, G-Man and Elo (who incidentally were both up for lynching before that last second save), were here in the hatch with Rico and he turns up dead. WIFOM and all that, but right now I'd wager it's one of those two.

What changed your mind from Night 1 when you said you wanted to focus on the Soneji voters to this? What am I missing in your thought process?

[G-Man]

Curiosity satisfaction. It didn't help me determine anyone's alignments and I don't think I was even trying to use it as such. A question popped into my mind so I asked it.

I just don't understand why that would be a conversation you would engage in, so I'm trying to understand, that's all. Thanks for responding.

Content generation for the sake of eliciting content from others is mostly what I've been doing all game. I'm a terrible civvie but I'm hoping that if/when I die, better civs than I may look back through my posts and reactions/responses to my posts and say 'a-ha!'

[Tangrowth]

RAINBOW HATCH LIST:

DFaraday
G-Man
MovingPictures
Elohcin
Quin

To be honest, I'm not really sure of any dude's alignment. I've ranked people based on how likely I think they are bad, but the margins are pretty close.

Can you elaborate on these?

[Tangrowth]

Curiosity satisfaction. It didn't help me determine anyone's alignments and I don't think I was even trying to use it as such. A question popped into my mind so I asked it.

I just don't understand why that would be a conversation you would engage in, so I'm trying to understand, that's all. Thanks for responding.

Content generation for the sake of eliciting content from others is mostly what I've been doing all game. I'm a terrible civvie but I'm hoping that if/when I die, better civs than I may look back through my posts and reactions/responses to my posts and say 'a-ha!'

But you plainly admitted that conversation wasn't undertaken for the sake of determining alignments. How do you reconcile that?

[Tangrowth]

Courteously requesting rainbow lists from DF and MP. I'd like to condense all the results and ask a few questions.

Let me catch up and I'll puke one at you.

[Tangrowth]

Considering a vote for MP for the shock value. It's been a while since he's peed in my face over something.

I don't feel you're interested in assessing mine or anyone else's alignment.

[Tangrowth]

Sorry, all. My internet has gone to shit again and it's entirely likely I might not get it back for a few days. I can't really address anything specific because I'm using a really bad hotspot internet, but I will when I get a chance. Here's what I can say right now before I check out again.

Eloh's answer to my question isn't great. She reacted like my earlier post about having a power role was so significant, but if she were a civ-minded player in this game, she wouldn't have missed something that significant.

I don't like anything about INH's day 1. I've covered the majority of my thoughts about him in the main thread, so give that a look.

I'm not opposed to a vote for MP. I think my hypothesis about late declarers has some merit, although admittedly it's not the strongest Day 1 thing.


Just so I have a Day 2 vote out there, I'm voting INH again. I'm not caught up in the slightest.


@Golden - if I don't check in for a few days, feel free to replace me.

Yes, I reacted as if your power role claiming was significant b/c I thought it WAS significant. You did it right at the beginning of night 1 as if to day, hey baddie kill ME. That is what made it significant. I don't think a civ would put it out there right at that point. If/when you claimed that in the beginning of the game, it wasn't as significant to me.

I don't want to vote MP today. He's barely here and I think it would be a mistake. I am thinking Sorsha or Quin and here is why. Quin b/c of his power role claim right at the beginning of Night 1 when the killer is thinking about who to kill. And Sorsha b/c of her Day 1 lack of contributions. Searching for Walk is all she did.

Elo, your play is reeking of TMI, as if you know that I'm town. Not a good look.

[Tangrowth]

I suspect Elo and G-Man.

[G-Man]

Curiosity satisfaction. It didn't help me determine anyone's alignments and I don't think I was even trying to use it as such. A question popped into my mind so I asked it.

I just don't understand why that would be a conversation you would engage in, so I'm trying to understand, that's all. Thanks for responding.

Content generation for the sake of eliciting content from others is mostly what I've been doing all game. I'm a terrible civvie but I'm hoping that if/when I die, better civs than I may look back through my posts and reactions/responses to my posts and say 'a-ha!'

But you plainly admitted that conversation wasn't undertaken for the sake of determining alignments. How do you reconcile that?

Could help others even if it wasn't necessarily my goal. You never know where the cracks will form for baddies. I knew the answer wasn't going to be me, so I was curious what other people thought. I figured that Ana Lucia wouldn't hold back questions, so I didn't either.

Linki: keep reading. You'll get there. I don't have enough time to dissect INH before dinner and possibly before the deadline even, but it's a lot of tinfoily reading between the lines.

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

Come back when you can, MP. I'll leave you this commentary on yourself to look over:

Day 1:
-His first game-relevant post (a town read on Daisy) comes over halfway through the Day phase
-Apology for focusing too much on another game
-Comes back to the game with two hours left on the clock
-Lots of little catch-up comments, mostly agreeing with people, then he starts asking questions
-Prods Soneji's assertion that G-Man's later posts reek of scum
-Finds fault in Quin's suspicions of him for being a late claimer
-POE's three current Hatchlings off his D1 suspect list
-Asks Dom to add depth to his bad vibes for G-Man
-After snark from Soneji, he starts to poke holes in Soneji's suspicions of G-Man
-Shade on Sorsha. He votes for her for a moment but backs off when she says she's in a car but doesn't actually answer his question.
-Makes the first mention of a CFD after easing off of Sorsha and feling meh about Eloh
-Says he's contemplating Rico and Soneji
-Votes Soneji


Night 1:
-Promises to be involved in this game more
-Short back and forth with INH about scrutinizing Soneji voters
-Finds fault with DF's thought process on the possibility of a save
-Mentions Eloh focused on Soneji votes

Day 2 (in the Hatch):
-Shoot, sorry guys. I'll try to catch up.


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A lot of my suspicion for MP stems from the cycle of his activity. There's all but nothing all day phase and then he comes in, asks a couple of questions, plants a few seeds of doubt, and is (dare I say) the originator, though not first voter, of the Soneji CFD. We haven't played together often enough, so I'll ask the rest of you- is that normal MP behavior? Is that distracted MP behavior? I get that he is focused on another game and hasn't taken in all the little details but he sure commented on a number of them. Then he disappears again when relatively little discussion has focused on him.

I get being busy in real life and with another game (though one could argue that's why you shouldn't play more than one game at a time), but to open the floodgates in the last two hours only to slam those gates shut again stands out to me. Unfortunately for MP, I won't be able to look past that until he's here on a consistent basis. I feel like MP wouldn't stand for a player being non-participatory for most of a phase; coming in late with pokes, prods, and shade; and all but leading a random vote switch over a more careful and focused approach. For that reason, I cannot let him "get away with it" here.

So you think the timing of my activity is inherently suspicious?

[Golden]

well bugger. My internet is down indefinitely (will be resolved well after lynch). So, the death post will be late.

Update: or, my provider is being ultra-conservative. I restarted my modem and it's already working. Carry on.

[Tangrowth]

MP's Hatch Rainbow List #1 - EoD Day 2

Strong Town:
insertnamehere

Moderate Town:
Quin

Weak Town:
DFaraday

Weak Mafia:
G-Man

Moderate Mafia:
Elohcin

Strong Mafia:
N/A

[Golden]

But if it doesn't happen in a timely fashion, you'll know why.

[Tangrowth]

Between Elohcin's TMI behavior and her suspicion of Quin for hard claiming power role, I feel most comfortable lynching her today. I feel less enthusiastically in support of G-Man's lynch because I feel like the generation of most of his content is lacking a transparent assessment of other alignments, but I don't feel strongly about this.

I'm digging DF's activity and sincerity, but there's some concern for me that keeps him from ranking more highly, namely that he seemed intent on casting shade at Soneji voters which struck me as over-the-top and myopic, and now he seems to have inexplicably changed focus. One could see it as opportunistic.

Quin and INH are certain town reads at the moment. I don't want to lynch either of them. INH's interactions with G-Man are solidly town.

[G-Man]

Spoiler: show

Come back when you can, MP. I'll leave you this commentary on yourself to look over:

Day 1:
-His first game-relevant post (a town read on Daisy) comes over halfway through the Day phase
-Apology for focusing too much on another game
-Comes back to the game with two hours left on the clock
-Lots of little catch-up comments, mostly agreeing with people, then he starts asking questions
-Prods Soneji's assertion that G-Man's later posts reek of scum
-Finds fault in Quin's suspicions of him for being a late claimer
-POE's three current Hatchlings off his D1 suspect list
-Asks Dom to add depth to his bad vibes for G-Man
-After snark from Soneji, he starts to poke holes in Soneji's suspicions of G-Man
-Shade on Sorsha. He votes for her for a moment but backs off when she says she's in a car but doesn't actually answer his question.
-Makes the first mention of a CFD after easing off of Sorsha and feling meh about Eloh
-Says he's contemplating Rico and Soneji
-Votes Soneji


Night 1:
-Promises to be involved in this game more
-Short back and forth with INH about scrutinizing Soneji voters
-Finds fault with DF's thought process on the possibility of a save
-Mentions Eloh focused on Soneji votes

Day 2 (in the Hatch):
-Shoot, sorry guys. I'll try to catch up.


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A lot of my suspicion for MP stems from the cycle of his activity. There's all but nothing all day phase and then he comes in, asks a couple of questions, plants a few seeds of doubt, and is (dare I say) the originator, though not first voter, of the Soneji CFD. We haven't played together often enough, so I'll ask the rest of you- is that normal MP behavior? Is that distracted MP behavior? I get that he is focused on another game and hasn't taken in all the little details but he sure commented on a number of them. Then he disappears again when relatively little discussion has focused on him.

I get being busy in real life and with another game (though one could argue that's why you shouldn't play more than one game at a time), but to open the floodgates in the last two hours only to slam those gates shut again stands out to me. Unfortunately for MP, I won't be able to look past that until he's here on a consistent basis. I feel like MP wouldn't stand for a player being non-participatory for most of a phase; coming in late with pokes, prods, and shade; and all but leading a random vote switch over a more careful and focused approach. For that reason, I cannot let him "get away with it" here.

So you think the timing of my activity is inherently suspicious?

Can't say it's inherently suspicious because, as I said, I understand real life and losing focus due to other games (I mean, that was the whole reason I started posting in pictures in Economics) but when that's one of the few things to analyze you over, it weighs on my mind more. Are you suggesting that if the tables were reversed, and I had been all but a non-participant, only to blast in before the deadline and cause a CFD and then duck out until a few hours before the next deadline that you wouldn't analyze the hell out of it?

The problem I have with it is that it's crazy bold for a baddie to do that. But then I keep telling myself that small games like these are prime opportunities for baddies to something crazy bold. It's got me going in circles, really. I don't like it but it doesn't seem like rationale baddie behavior but it's a short game.... See?

[Quin]

I am staying in the hatch even if we are allowed out

And, Quin...no hard feelings. Just crazy busy and exhausted. And somehow I missed it. Does that really make a huge impact on how you feel about me? I mean, I remember power roles being discussed. I remember golden saying there were 3 power roles. I remember people claiming power roles. But I didn't pay much attention to that at the time. It was beginning of day 1 and people were claiming all kind of crap. I didn't put too much into it. It was only the fact that you claimed right as the killers were probably thinking about who to kill that it specifically caught my attention.

Anyway....that is not the only reason I think you're bad out of those here at the hatch. And some of it is process of elimination. I think if MP were bad, he would be more involved. I think G is contributing. The only thing that irks me about him was his waiting until end of day to decide where he would lay his head at night. I think DF and INH sound civ. I could vote for Sorsha again. I really think she is bad this game. I just hate doing so when I haven't been able to hear from her all day. But, what the heck. I may still vote Sorsha. Please...tell me why you would want to claim a power role as a civ. Help me understand this.

It does have an impact. You're admitting to not reading through the early game, and my qualm with that is highlighted in an earlier post.

I claimed it because I have a power role. Why would I want to claim a power role as a baddie?

Now, I have been nice, but now you are upsetting me. I have read every post this game. I never said I didn't. I said I remember people talking power roles. Do you always remember who said what? C'mon. I have been working so hard in all aspects to keep up with life and you are going to say I am admitting to not reading? NOT TRUE! I am so stretched thin right now and I will not let you tell me I didn't do something I did.

You didn't answer my question. Why would you WANT to claim your power role as a civ? What of that benefits you? You are just making yourself vulnerable to a night kill.

If you found the statement 'I have a power role' so significant that you reacted the way you did, I find it incredibly hard to believe that you wouldn't even remember reading almost the exact same on Day 1 if you were civ-minded. No, I don't remember everything that has been said. But our circumstances are different in that I'm not pushing against a specific post with such an intense reaction.

When I said 'not reading', I apologise if I'm either miscommunicating or if you're misunderstanding. It's not my intention to say that you're not putting in the effort of reading the game. I'm saying the same thing as I was saying before, in that I believe you could be a baddie whose made the mistake of not scrutinising early content enough.

I did answer your question. I have a power role so I decided to let everybody know.

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

Come back when you can, MP. I'll leave you this commentary on yourself to look over:

Day 1:
-His first game-relevant post (a town read on Daisy) comes over halfway through the Day phase
-Apology for focusing too much on another game
-Comes back to the game with two hours left on the clock
-Lots of little catch-up comments, mostly agreeing with people, then he starts asking questions
-Prods Soneji's assertion that G-Man's later posts reek of scum
-Finds fault in Quin's suspicions of him for being a late claimer
-POE's three current Hatchlings off his D1 suspect list
-Asks Dom to add depth to his bad vibes for G-Man
-After snark from Soneji, he starts to poke holes in Soneji's suspicions of G-Man
-Shade on Sorsha. He votes for her for a moment but backs off when she says she's in a car but doesn't actually answer his question.
-Makes the first mention of a CFD after easing off of Sorsha and feling meh about Eloh
-Says he's contemplating Rico and Soneji
-Votes Soneji


Night 1:
-Promises to be involved in this game more
-Short back and forth with INH about scrutinizing Soneji voters
-Finds fault with DF's thought process on the possibility of a save
-Mentions Eloh focused on Soneji votes

Day 2 (in the Hatch):
-Shoot, sorry guys. I'll try to catch up.


---------------------------

A lot of my suspicion for MP stems from the cycle of his activity. There's all but nothing all day phase and then he comes in, asks a couple of questions, plants a few seeds of doubt, and is (dare I say) the originator, though not first voter, of the Soneji CFD. We haven't played together often enough, so I'll ask the rest of you- is that normal MP behavior? Is that distracted MP behavior? I get that he is focused on another game and hasn't taken in all the little details but he sure commented on a number of them. Then he disappears again when relatively little discussion has focused on him.

I get being busy in real life and with another game (though one could argue that's why you shouldn't play more than one game at a time), but to open the floodgates in the last two hours only to slam those gates shut again stands out to me. Unfortunately for MP, I won't be able to look past that until he's here on a consistent basis. I feel like MP wouldn't stand for a player being non-participatory for most of a phase; coming in late with pokes, prods, and shade; and all but leading a random vote switch over a more careful and focused approach. For that reason, I cannot let him "get away with it" here.

So you think the timing of my activity is inherently suspicious?

Can't say it's inherently suspicious because, as I said, I understand real life and losing focus due to other games (I mean, that was the whole reason I started posting in pictures in Economics) but when that's one of the few things to analyze you over, it weighs on my mind more. Are you suggesting that if the tables were reversed, and I had been all but a non-participant, only to blast in before the deadline and cause a CFD and then duck out until a few hours before the next deadline that you wouldn't analyze the hell out of it?

The problem I have with it is that it's crazy bold for a baddie to do that. But then I keep telling myself that small games like these are prime opportunities for baddies to something crazy bold. It's got me going in circles, really. I don't like it but it doesn't seem like rationale baddie behavior but it's a short game.... See?

I wouldn't say I'm a non-participant though; I've had content to analyze, don't you think?

Furthermore, what's the mafia motivation for me to specifically time my entrances to be near EoD? What's the benefit? Wouldn't it be better for me to exert more influence over the thread?

I think townies are generally more involved with CFDs than mafia members (generalizing of course) because mafia members don't know how to handle CFDs and don't want to bring unwanted attention to themselves. In Turf Wars, the townies successfully caught a mafia member with a CFD on Day 2, but proceeded to lose the game after spending lynch after lynch analyzing everyone's behavior surrounding the CFD and incorrectly making assumptions that didn't exist. All of the mafia team avoided talking about the CFD as much as possible and stayed in the background as town picked itself apart. I find that more common than mafia members actively taking risks to start CFDs.

[Tangrowth]

Quin, will you lynch Elohcin with me?

[Quin]

Could you all humor me for a minute? I'm pretty convinced that one of us is going to die since there are more denizens of the Hatch tonight. Of the seven of us, who do you think is most likely to be killed?

In the off chance I am wrong, who do you think will be killed at the beach?

G-Man, what's the point of this question? How does it assist in your determination of others' alignments?

I had the same thought, but I didn't make anything of it. As for his response, it just sounds like he's trying to pass it off as nothing. I feel neutral about it, leaning bad.