The Syndicate

Oh shit this was my first game back after covid wasn’t it. Good times.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:46 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:48 pm Seriously though, this game was dope. Amazing player list, amazing host, amazing theme -- 10/10, would play again.
Doubleheader, anyone?

I'd be game.

Seriously though, this game was dope. Amazing player list, amazing host, amazing theme -- 10/10, would play again.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:10 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:00 pm
Don't turn on me next time...

I should have known it was you right away, but I am satisfied that I had you both pegged by the end of Day 2 if not earlier, so maybe you did the right thing after all.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:50 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:27 pm This was a hell of a first game back, thanks to all my fellow players for making it awesome. Glad we pulled out the win but mass respect to nutella and LC for a well fought game. And thanks for hosting, Sloonei!
I saved a section of our chat for you, MP:

Long Con
Who should we kill?
nutella
one of svs/mp/michelle?
I don't know, maybe it is better just to kill jay here?
I kiiiinda think nanook is the doc from that exchange
in which case it'd be nice to kill him but he's also still top of the mislynch candidate list at the moment
Long Con
hmmmm can't kill Nanook
yeah
but good to keep in mind
Maybe MP
nutella
yeah
Long Con
I didn't like how he turned on me
nutella
ok

Note that nutella called Nanook as the doc way back then, AND she made the choice to use the strongman kill on Night 1. She's awesome.

This was a hell of a first game back, thanks to all my fellow players for making it awesome. Glad we pulled out the win but mass respect to nutella and LC for a well fought game. And thanks for hosting, Sloonei!

This is the single highest honor I could have received in my first game back, thanks.

I really enjoyed the game. Play with you all again soon!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:12 am

The good:

Epignosis, M Plus 7, Michelle, and nutella emerge with three greens. They're the most difficult players for me to tie to others. I'm pleased to be able to write four names here.

The bad:

S~V~S is almost a default compatible teammate with most people in the game, albeit with some tinfoil wrangling.

Long Con fits with pretty much anyone other than Michelle.

Nanook can be liberated from a couple of people, but has an ugly fit with the other most readily-apparent suspect (LC).

The ugly:

I don't have to put anything in this category. I am not a slave to structure. I don't like spaghetti westerns.

Thanks for doing this. Just doing low-level analysis on my end, I find your takes generally agreeable. I'll have to do a lot more work myself.

Also, wouldn't it be funny if Nanook and LC were the scum team? Basically means Nanook was openly wolfing to save his scummate as blatantly as possible.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:05 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:03 am At the danger of further feeding your ego, Jay, your pre-associative reads exercises are better than most.
Don't worry. I put on a show for the fans, but I hate myself.

At the danger of further feeding your ego, Jay, your pre-associative reads exercises are better than most.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:53 pm The interaction of Nanook and Michelle makes me sleepy.

What do you mean by that?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:28 pm MP is vaguely compatible with Long Con. MP's read on LC was one of his least certain as far as I could tell. He pooh-poohed a Dizzy suspicion as NAI, stood tentative at my earliest digs against LC, and fielded him as a suspect only alongside Mac (and eventually voted Mac). LC's treatment of MP was rather docile.

I'll readily admit to that; LC is a hard guy to read. I think he likes being that way.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:23 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:21 pm Wait, why am I not aligned with Epi again?
The way he responded to your civilian read on him (with suspicion of you) doesn't look the part to me.

Oh, right, I couldn't remember if there was something from my treatment end of things.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:20 pm

Wait, why am I not aligned with Epi again?

I'll almost certainly ISO everyone at some point next phase assuming I'm able to do so; I'm trying not to burn myself out right now. Also I have one less ISO to do if I wait until tomorrow.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:14 pm
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Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:20 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:09 pm wow mac is really going hard on this theory
When does he not? He did the same thing when we were teammates.

Yet here you are singing his praises while bringing up "Do I need to get that scouting report Jay wrote about you and Sloonei a few weeks ago?" at me.

STRIKE.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:39 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:38 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:46 pm I mean, if you're paying attention, Nanook, you'll note that nutella is voting me because of something MacDougall said, and Mac is voting Dyslexicon.

Which means you're "sheeping?" Mac who isn't voting me.

Wild.
You're full of shit. I voted you for a confluence of reasons. I'm not "sheeping" Mac.
A confluence of reasons?

Name them.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:43 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:50 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:40 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:35 pm [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
Lay off my scum buddy >: (

[VOTE: Epic nosebleed] aubergine
Did Epi get baited?
Have we forgotten this?

This is where my suspicion of you started. You tagged along on Dizzy's early prod of Michelle too easily.
Shits given:

Zero.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:46 pm Nutella, if you are a civilian, and you think MacDougall made good points, then I don't know what hell to think about you whatsoever.

Good night.

I think nutella suspected Epignosis organically. It makes sense both in my intuitive read of her posts here and as a progression from her GOC spectating frustrations. Not mafia teammates

I agree, there's almost no way in hell they're aligned.

Thanks for doing this, by the way. I perhaps badmouthed pre-associative reads a bit harshly. I still think they should be but a tool among many, but they're definitely more helpful when there's only so many players. In 15+ games it's just chaos.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:11 pm
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:44 pm I’m sheeping nutella onto Epi

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:14 pm Let me rephrase

I'm blindly sheeping nutella's vote and idc what the garbage reason for it is

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:45 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:44 pm I’m sheeping nutella onto Epi
Por que?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:46 pm I mean, if you're paying attention, Nanook, you'll note that nutella is voting me because of something MacDougall said, and Mac is voting Dyslexicon.

Which means you're "sheeping?" Mac who isn't voting me.

Wild.
Nanook and Epi don't feel teamy

I concur, especially Epi's responses.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:03 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:57 pm I have no reason to dissociate Epi and Long Con. Their posts about each other are boring.
You ISOing now? I want to see!
I don't want to load up the thread with pre-flip associative Big Posts and have other non-MP civilians take their balls and go home. So far there's barely anything to say beyond the hot takes I'm throwing out anyway.

I suppose you're right though.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:02 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:57 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:17 pm I hate fake claim fests tbh
They can be annoying, but I think they're fun with the right group.
Maybe the groups I’ve played them in soured me, but I remain unconvinced they’re actually fun on a forum.

Arrested Development Mafia.

It was amazing. I wish we could play another game like that. Multiple of us (me and Turnip Head) successfully fake claimed well enough to get the scum to kill us, only for the real cop (Spacedaisy) to then have solved the game 100%. Truly glorious, one of my favorite wins ever still.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:02 pm I doubt Epi and MP are mafia teammates. The former expressed trust, and the latter was peturbed in standard Epignosis form. I don't know what "subjunctive mood" is.

It's my favorite new meme. Fuck you, bean dip.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:00 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:58 pmbecause it ironically makes me feel better about LC.
Then the dialogue has purpose.

Well, for me anyway. It's a gut feel, but he just feels very genuine in all of it. I respect LC's scum range though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:57 pm I have no reason to dissociate Epi and Long Con. Their posts about each other are boring.

You ISOing now? I want to see!

I bet you all missed me posting 50 times in a row.

If Jay and LC are the scum team, I recommend Sloonei just end this game now, because this would be truly outstanding.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:28 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pm Yes, and I brought up the concept saying "Dizzy latched onto as some 'gotcha' moment." How's that vaunted reading comprehension working for you? Or is that just something you do when you are Civ?
I thought you suggested we both did that, or that my "maneuver" was similar. It wasn't.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pmOhhhh, your wording was confusing. Of course it wasn't a direct attempt to put things like "ABSOLVED MICHELLE" and "TMI ON MICHELLE" into the readers' heads. Nah. Just a little minor confusion.
I corrected it. You can address what I said or you can diarrhea this sarcastic bullshit. I am explaining exactly where my head was at. There's a lot more room for agenda in this continued effort to degrade my words as so utterly stupid that they warrant only the loudest eyerolls you can manage.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pmNot, apparently, to your predecessor. Dizzy was going with the TELLING angle in order to shade Michelle, when going with the ANALYZING angle delivers no shade. I think it was his main point against her, and BECAUSE Dizzy put it that way, I saw it that way, until I looked deeper. You have the luxury of having it all already out there, so never had to deal with the unclear distinction. You're welcome, and this is a reason I thought Dizzy was bad.
That's worth considering. You're right that I wasn't here when it happened live, and that impacts my perspective.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pmHow the fuck am I not being open? I'm being as clear and open as I possibly can about what I see you saying, and what it means to me. I honestly don't know what more I can say, I feel like I have laid it all out there, most things more than once.
I know you've done that. You've done it without respect for anything I have said to you. I have been talking to a brick wall.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pmYou play the same way every time as a baddie? You have the wherewithal to self-analyze as a defense NOW, but not to pre-analyze the same behaviour to craft a "not-like-bad-JJJ" presence?
I don't play exactly the same way every time, no. But I am very conscious of what I can and cannot do well.

I could not effectively perform this way if I had entered this game as a mafioso with a noose already around my neck. My interest would probably have been in WIFOM and protecting my teammates had I been stuck in that shit sandwich. Thankfully Dizzy isn't the sort to bail on a game like that and leave some unnamed replacement to clean up their mafioso mess. It's not quite the same for a civilian replacement.

Folks can believe that or not. It's true though.

I believe it. I also am glad you both are having this discussion, because it ironically makes me feel better about LC.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:17 pm I hate fake claim fests tbh

They can be annoying, but I think they're fun with the right group.

I am glad Jay started this discussion though, it is apparent the matrix setup has been underutilized for a while. I personally think matrix games are cool, but I'm a weirdo.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:10 pm I didn't get it either. I thought a Day 0 peek was a free check on a player. Could end up red or green. I guess I might as well not give a fake answer now.

You're close, although it has to be a green check.

So, like, if I'm the cop, before the game started, I received a PM that says "so and so townie is a townie". That's how the n0 check typically works; I don't get to choose.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:05 pm If I'm the cop, I will be using my shot tonight and claiming immediately on Day 2.

Agreed 100%. It's the right thing to do.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:50 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:48 pm FUCK YES, are we doing GTH reads? That'd be fun.
We could, though that particular chart was for those pre-flip associative reads you just balked at.

(they're best for POE and perhaps incidentally useful for suspicion)

OH! Of course. Lmao.

I could indulge in the exercise for world-building purposes I suppose, although it's just hard to know anything until we have a red flip. I suppose it might be necessary though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:52 pm Who's everyone else's Night 0 peek?

nutella.

Why the fuck am I town reading everyone

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:37 pm I feel like everyone should have a pretty developed POE pool right now. There are seven not-yous and two of them are no good. Even two solid civilian reads nets a workable reduction, and I think we can do better than that.

Let's go.

JaggedJimmyJay
nutella

Epignosis
Michelle
Long Con
S~V~S

Nanook

Players are alphabetical within groups. Damn, I really need to resolve that middle tier.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:47 pm

Plenty of potential in this, and the workload is not immense. Even if one cannot find the exact team of two, one can probably eliminate numerous permutations.

FUCK YES, are we doing GTH reads? That'd be fun.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:32 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:27 pm Anyone who reads this exchange and does not provide a take of some kind is failing the civilian faction.
I'll be honest I'm not really following it. All I see is the little lines from Peanuts.

That's an amazing way to put it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:27 pm Anyone who reads this exchange and does not provide a take of some kind is failing the civilian faction.

I'll re-evaluate it inevitably, but in a vacuum it feels town on town to me.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:36 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:23 pmNice
How does that help your mood?
Subjunctivated the fuck out of it.

I absolutely love that this is a meme now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:11 pm I just changed my mind about Michelle. She can be mafia.

Tell me more.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:57 pm
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nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:55 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:48 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:45 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:42 pm

I think I fixed it.

Anyway, to add to this train of thought re: nutella specifically, I dislike that kind of statement in general always for all time, but I dislike it more coming from her. I understand I haven't played with nutella in a while, but one of my favorite things about her town game is her ability to re-assess, and so I find it incompatible with her town game if she says stuff like that.
Why? I townread you and nanook before that shitshow, so how is that not reassessing
You didn't wait until the flip happened, and it also seems closed-minded to me as if you're only evaluating our final impact (the vote) as opposed to the totality of posts.
Yeah I realized you had more history of suspecting Mac so I do think Nanook looks a lot worse for pushing the cfd. I think it looked like a save of LC or Epi.
I don’t need to build a Mac TK from the ground up to save either of them, though

Also I voted Epi before that so that’s a weird way to save him
You didn't built it from the ground up, you made sure MP was on board with it.
Bullshit, I built that fucking wagon wholesale. I own it, that wagon belongs to me, I bought the materials and assembled everything, MP brought the horses and LC/JJJ brought the shade cover on top.

My vote was already on Mac and I was calling for opinions on him way before you said anything. I appreciate that you're taking responsibility for your vote and the CFD call though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:56 pm General assertion: anyone inclined to operate from a "somebody saved LC" (or saved whoever) mindset should be inclined to lynch the savee before the saver. That's the foundation of the theory.

All the more reason pre-associative reads are... unreliable, but that's just my opinion. They can be useful to speculate upon, but not as the basis for a suspicion IMO. They've burned me too many times.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:54 pm Both peanuts and crackerjacks taste bad.

I'm offended by this opinion.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:52 pm Like I get the natural “hey that guy just killed a townie!” Snap reactions, but think this through...why does scumNanook need to build a Mac wagon ENTIRELY FROM SCRATCH when nutella/Epi/LC are all already there?

It wasn't from scratch though; there was already thread momentum against Mac, namely by me.

I need a break now though. It's Night. I'll be back at some point to do some actual investigative work.

I think we can still own this game. I appreciate the effort being put into it by everyone so far. And it's also been really just amazing to play with you all again (and with Nanook and Michelle for the first time!).

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:48 pm
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M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:45 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:42 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:38 pm
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:31 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:29 pm

Why is this unproductive? Laying out an opinion before the lynch post goes up lets people know where you are re the lynch to come. I am honestly perplexed by this, telling someone how to post. Have things changed that much since I last played?
We have no idea what the flip is. I honestly hate that kind of stuff; it shows an agenda. IMO a townie should re-evaluate at every flip regardless of preconceived notions.

It's all my opinion, SVS. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. I'm voicing my opinions just like anyone else does.
I think I fixed it.

Anyway, to add to this train of thought re: nutella specifically, I dislike that kind of statement in general always for all time, but I dislike it more coming from her. I understand I haven't played with nutella in a while, but one of my favorite things about her town game is her ability to re-assess, and so I find it incompatible with her town game if she says stuff like that.
Why? I townread you and nanook before that shitshow, so how is that not reassessing
You didn't wait until the flip happened, and it also seems closed-minded to me as if you're only evaluating our final impact (the vote) as opposed to the totality of posts.
Yeah I realized you had more history of suspecting Mac so I do think Nanook looks a lot worse for pushing the cfd. I think it looked like a save of LC or Epi.

Now that's something I'll entertain. With Mac flipping town and us being at 8, presumably 7 tonight, I'll have to give them both a hard look.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:48 pm
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M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:44 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:43 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:37 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:34 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:33 pm If anyone thinks I'm not town, I'd like to hear it now, because I've not played in over a year and a half and I believe I'm town as fuck right now.
You're all right. What is there in Day 1 that you couldn't have done as a baddie?
You tell me.

But if I had to point to one thing, I don't think I can quite fake the exact progression of reads changes I do as town when I'm scum. It's very hard to fake complete re-assessment like that, and I did that with Michelle.
But you woudn't be faking the reassessment, would you? If you were bad and you knew she wasn't? It woud be easier to change your mind that to push the fake suspicion initially. I think you are downplaying your skills in this post as well.

I don't necessarily suspect you, but I don't not suspect you either. But you downplaying how good you actuallyare at things like this ... I never saw you as a falsely modest person, and we leave it there for now.

Linki @MP, OK, it didn;t read that way to me, but I could be overreading it becasue I used to be so good at reading you, and I am trying to find my way to that again.

linki, Oh for Christs sake.
That's (the bolded/underlined) the strangest thing you've ever said to me.

I may come across like an arrogant fuckface sometimes in game, but I'm absolutely that modest of my own abilities.

I appreciate the conversation either way, so no worries from my end.
Oh I meant game face. Real face is not a thread thing, and when I say "you" I mean "game you". Game MP and Real MP are not the same person, just like game me and real me are no where near the same. IRL I would never tell a person something they did was crap like I did for Jays list, lol.

linki, lol, and Jay produces an even crappier list.

Oh, yeah, I understand that. I just think there's an element of modesty to my mafia game that you all don't get to see most of the time unless I dump it in the thread.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:47 pm Emergent gut takes:

M Plus 7

Epignosis
Michelle

Long Con
nutella
S~V~S

Nanook

Move nutella up a tier. And maybe SVS as well. I need to clearly do some work though because I'm feeling so much town out of us as a group and I'm probably wrong about one particular person.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:47 pm I still mostly townread you I guess but at no point did I ever understand your reasoning for suspecting Mac. I think Nanook looks awful. Maybe TWTBW but I don't put this kind of thing past him (though tbf I don't really have much experience with scum!nanook)

I'll take a step back and re-consider. I still think you're more town than not as well, and I don't want us to drift away from having found each other if that is indeed the case. I appreciate the input regardless. It could just be that you and I disagree with how to approach pre-associative reads, even if they're technically after EOD but before the flip, and that's totally okay. I overreacted because I know I'm town and I feel like I've made that evident, so it's on me. I apologize, I should have taken a step back. It's all just very foreign to my brain.

I'll consider what you have to say about Nanook because I'm otherwise going off of what you all have to say about him. I like that he did things in EOD, but I see the room for manipulation as well. But other than that I don't have much.

I think people in this game hold a much higher opinion of my own scum range than I do.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:45 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:42 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:38 pm
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:31 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:29 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:32 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:32 pm If Mac flips town I am scrutinizing MP and Nanook for this gross ass cfd.
This is unproductive at best and throwing shade at worst, and you should know better.
Why is this unproductive? Laying out an opinion before the lynch post goes up lets people know where you are re the lynch to come. I am honestly perplexed by this, telling someone how to post. Have things changed that much since I last played?
We have no idea what the flip is. I honestly hate that kind of stuff; it shows an agenda. IMO a townie should re-evaluate at every flip regardless of preconceived notions.

It's all my opinion, SVS. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. I'm voicing my opinions just like anyone else does.
I think I fixed it.

Anyway, to add to this train of thought re: nutella specifically, I dislike that kind of statement in general always for all time, but I dislike it more coming from her. I understand I haven't played with nutella in a while, but one of my favorite things about her town game is her ability to re-assess, and so I find it incompatible with her town game if she says stuff like that.
Why? I townread you and nanook before that shitshow, so how is that not reassessing

You didn't wait until the flip happened, and it also seems closed-minded to me as if you're only evaluating our final impact (the vote) as opposed to the totality of posts.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:43 pm Poop. Later Mac.

We're okay. From a POE perspective, I still feel decent about the current sitch.

Yeah, it sucks, but I agree.

I don't know why nutella would be so transparent about it, but I can't help but interpret posts like her defense of her as if she has TMI.

I'm still trying to reconcile this though with the fact that she shaded me so I'm emotionally invested, as well as my previously stated strong town read. I'm at odds.

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