The Syndicate

Roxy wrote:Sorry I missed the vote again but I fell asleep on the couch and it was quite nice.

I was Mr. Ford - see Ep I was not Killface I knew what I posted when I said I had been trying to help the town bc at that point I knew there were only 1 or max 2 civs left. if you think my "I won't vote for these people Day 1" is bad you should see my list of people I won't NK Night 1

I killed Sockgroom bc I felt he needed to focus solely on his lovely Daisybride and bc I called him bad early on bc he was latching onto cases instead of making them <3

I knew bloops was part of the indy bts bc she backed off of me after I was checked and gave my role instead of protection.

I had fun stealing powers I got bloops power and checked SVS she came up as Phil lol! I do feel bad about her team not being invovled but sometimes life is just in the way of mafiaing <3

I got a double vote the day we took Made out and I cant remember anymore.

You got me! Legitimately. I was glad someone was able to see my mafia game here... I was surprised others didn't go after me more heavily. Glad you could win, you played a great game.

Also glad you killed me, since I did not want to have to get sucked backed into this game during the honeymoon, as much as I loved playing it. I was relieved when I came onto the site and saw I was NKed, so then I could go right back to chilling with Daisy.

Also, I had Old Spice/Hooker narrowed down to most likely Blooper and Roxy after the Cookie lynch, so I'm glad I was right on at least one of those. :P

I tried my absolute best to be involved in this game, and was able to, but then I flew back to Ohio and just couldn't keep up. I hardly found time for anything. I was so busy during the honeymoon, then was going to log on to tell Llama I needed a replacement, but it was right after my death on Night 4, so the timing worked out well. Sorry to my teammates for my least involved mafia performance to date. I did have a ton of fun while I was alive though... and was hoping to form the Sisterhood of Chaos!

We were planning on bussing me pretty early on, and I wasn't even trying that hard to defend myself (against Daisy, in particular), yet people weren't finding me suspicious enough, and ika and Cookie were taking a lot of heat (and kept insisting that they be bussed), so it led to a really difficult scenario. I then decided I had to play this game to my fullest, so I tried to do so. I'm really glad that S~V~S made it as far as she did... that was a tough role to have waltzing into endgame. I was even more glad to see she kept the low poster/wacky kills. Loved it.

Congrats to all of the winners! You folks deserved it.

Hey all, haven't caught up since my vote post and likely won't have time to do so until in the airport on Sunday waiting for our flight to Cancun. See you then!

Okay I'm in cincinnati with family, not sure I'll be back before deadline, so I'm voting Roxy now.

Epignosis wrote:See, this is why I think Roxy's bad on top of everything. She assumes I'm ignoring her questions. Maybe I'm busy and didn't see them.

I am quite busy. So I'm just ignoring her, right?

Yet she can't be assed to repeat those same questions, and instead tells me to go look for them.

I have waited over 10 minutes to hear what questions I "ignored." I have looked over Roxy's posts to see if I have ignored any questions. I have not. If anyone sees a question from Roxy directed at me that I missed, then please repeat it. I'll answer it.

In the meantime, vote Roxy. That's a Cookie teammate.

This gives me an opportunity to say something that I've noticed and that I think is affecting our disjointed town efforts here. I think players on this site, but especially civilians, should make more of an effort to try to understand each other, instead of shifting that responsibility to the people that are asking questions.

I'm not pointing fingers at you or Roxy, but it's something I've noticed, especially in comparison to RYM and other sites. A lot of players here have a tendency to not care to explain themselves to their accusers. I understand a healthy skepticism at everyone else's alignment. I realize that literally anyone should be mafia and should never be trusted. But that shouldn't mean that a civilian should not go out of their way as much as possible to address their accusers' concerns, regardless of what that civilian thinks of their motives.

This is my opinion, but I feel strongly enough about it to say it here, because I've seen this happen way too many times, where civilians view themselves as lone rangers, disconnected from all of town, and put the responsibility for their actions on everyone else. We all have done it, myself included, which is why I've recently been trying to revamp my approach to the game in that regard.

Town has nothing to lose by trying to understand each other as much as possible, since the most often cause of civilian mislynchings is due to lack of seeing another person's perspective. I'm confident in that assessment, especially with the variety of awesome folks we have playing here.

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On that note, I have to get ready to go. All of my posts for the next 10 days or so will be phone posts, and I'll obviously be occupied with RL matters. I still want to play this game, but obviously won't have the time to devote to it as I'd otherwise like, and I'm totally OK with that. I'll prioritize getting married to the love of my life over playing this game to the fullest any day.

Nonetheless, I'm going to continue to try my best, and I'll have downtime in airports this morning. Hopefully folks will come around. I'll hold my vote for now, but if I had to cast it now, it would go to Roxy. But Roxy and Made had the high heat headed into this lynch, and hardly any discussion has happened at all, and practically any about any players other than them. And over half of the players aren't even freaking talking. I mean, I was gone for an entire Day (D2), and I still have way more posts than most of the players playing this game. I'm getting married. Come on, folks. What's the deal? I may vote for one of these folks (that I just quoted in my previous post) instead today.

I strongly believe we should try to discuss other candidates as much as possible as well.

See you all later!

MovingPictures07 wrote: 4) So... What Are These Folks Thinking?

Also, I want to know what DisgruntledPorcupine, HamburgerBoy, ika, Mac's Mom, Saberfish, Spacedaisy, and TinyBubbles are thinking currently re: suspects ASAP. They haven't said enough regarding this.

...and I'm tired. See you folks tomorrow (well, later today).

This is worth reposting.

Come on, guys, what's the deal?

Epignosis wrote:See, this is why I think Roxy's bad on top of everything. She assumes I'm ignoring her questions. Maybe I'm busy and didn't see them.

I am quite busy. So I'm just ignoring her, right?

Yet she can't be assed to repeat those same questions, and instead tells me to go look for them.

I have waited over 10 minutes to hear what questions I "ignored." I have looked over Roxy's posts to see if I have ignored any questions. I have not. If anyone sees a question from Roxy directed at me that I missed, then please repeat it. I'll answer it.

In the meantime, vote Roxy. That's a Cookie teammate.

This gives me an opportunity to say something that I've noticed and that I think is affecting our disjointed town efforts here. I think players on this site, but especially civilians, should make more of an effort to try to understand each other, instead shifting that responsibility to the people that are asking questions.

I'm not pointing fingers at you or Roxy, but it's something I've noticed, especially in comparison to RYM and other sites. A lot of players here have a tendency to not care to explain themselves to their accusers. I understand a healthy skepticism at everyone else's alignment. I realize that literally anyone should be mafia and should never be trusted. But that shouldn't mean that a civilian should not go out of their way as much as possible to address their accusers' concerns, regardless of what that civilian thinks of their motives.

This is my opinion, but I feel strongly enough about it to say it here, because I've seen this happen way too many times, where civilians view themselves as lone rangers, disconnected from all of town, and put the responsibility for their actions on everyone else. We all have done it, myself included, which is why I've recently been trying to revamp my approach to the game in that regard.

Town has nothing to lose by trying to understand each other as much as possible, since the most often cause of civilian mislynchings is due to lack of seeing another person's perspective. I'm confident in that assessment, especially with the variety of awesome folks we have playing here.

Roxy wrote: MP - yeah I dropped Burger Boy quick the other night bc I had Cookie to tend to. I still think he could be KF but no one else seems to agree with me. I hate the use of spoiler tags bc now I have to click on each one to see wtf you are talking about. I do not see a difference than your long posts without the tags. Only now i have to work more when I am playing. :P Yes I am *that* lazy.
Also upon reading Saberfish again maybe it is not a r/c. Iunno. It does not really read like a r/c but I do see what Epi was pointing to. Would you like me to quote it?
Yes I am only suspicius of you bc Daisy is. You must admit she can read you quite well. So when she points it out I listen. You should read posts in context bc when I said I was suspicious of you for different reasons I meant they were different than DH. Sorry you are finding me suspicious hope this response will help you. It does however feel a bit no u'y. Also damn straight my progression is notable bc I actually have progression unlike some who voted for Cookie.

Thanks for addressing all of my questions!

I'm a bit confused about what you say re: BurgerBoy. So you suspect him the same amount, regardless of his response? Because based on the way your interaction with him reads, it seems as though you back off of him, as if you read what he had to say a second time and thought it sounded reasonable. Is that incorrect?

Well, noted re: spoiler tags, but people would often complain when I had gigantic posts with tons of quotes without spoiler tags, so I'm probably going to get complainers either way. :P It's why I try to bold and underline everyone if I'm talking to them. Nonetheless, noted.

If you (or anyone else doesn't, for that matter) don't mind quoting the Saberfish thing, that'd be great, since it seems I'm not the only one confused about it, and wondering where the role hint is.

I didn't understand what you meant re: suspicions different than DH, thanks for clarifying that. Makes more sense now.

I understand you finding me suspicious because Daisy can read me well. I'll admit that any day. However, I think I addressed what she had to say, but she has not been able to address my responses to her, and reassess. If you feel that I've inadequately addressed anything she's said and you think I'm suspicious as a result, I'd be happy to clear anything up. Otherwise, not sure what else to do with regards to that.

I'm really beginning to hate the term "NO U". It's an easy way for someone to brush off someone else's suspicions of them because they suspected you first and mafia, time after time, take advantage of it. So I'm disregarding NO U's, personally. You'll have to take my word for the fact that I don't suspect you because you suspect me at all, and I thought I made it clear here and here that I believe it's because your behavior/D2 vote/post history makes it seem as though you are Cookie's teammate. If you still doubt my conviction in finding you suspicious, let me know if I can clarify further. Otherwise, I am not sure why my suspicion should be branded NO U, even in the slightest, since it's arising of absolutely no circumstance of the fact that you've found me suspicious (based on someone else's suspicions of me).

You did cast an extremely wide net, then zeroed right in on Cookie, so I understand why you are arguing a civilian mindset for that. I just don't see it as likely. It seemed like a very sudden focus on Cookie to me.

Roxy wrote: Not emotional manipulation at all. I meant what I said - YOU must think *I* am a shitty player since you are acting like you alone led the Cookie lynch. You may have found her suspicious Day 1 but you really did not provide any thing more than she was "uncomfortable" being mafia where as I found her flip-floppy-ness more suspicious. You were not alone in bringing that lynch to fruition others helped.

Rox, I cut this out of your responses to Epi. What does this declaration make you think regarding his alignment? I don't think you've said whether you think Epi is mafia or civilian, but it's possible I've missed it.

Made wrote:Yo, has mp done a rainbow list as mafia yet?

Are you asking if I've been a mafia alignment instead of a civilian and done a rainbow list?

If so, then no. I started rainbow lists after Peanuts (#86) on RYM, so in games here I've used them in Economics (civilian), BoB (but I got replaced pretty early by Epi 2.0, and my alignment has not yet been revealed since he was NKed), and Watchmen (civilian).

Why do you ask?

Made wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

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Roxy wrote:

HamburgerBoy wrote:Roxy, could you explain your particular suspicion here?

HamburgerBoy wrote:

Roxy wrote:Burger Boy (shifty vote is shifty for sure) could vote here

Why me? If anything I should be one of the least likely to be KillFace, unless you mean anyone on that team (the context of your post would indicate KillFace the fellow in particular though). By voting on someone that had one vote, my vote would have resulted in MM's lynch among several other people tied in second. It would be more logical for me to vote for someone with no votes, or vote for someone that already had two, if I were Killface.

It was your reasoning that I found shifty. It was like you put no thought or care into your vote and instead focused on keeping ties.

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HamburgerBoy wrote:

Roxy wrote:It was your reasoning that I found shifty. It was like you put no thought or care into your vote and instead focused on keeping ties.

That's vague, and I'd disagree. I think I had posted more about Killface and double-voting stuffs than most other players at that point. My vote post itself didn't announce that, but the few posts leading up to it clearly showed me thought process.

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Roxy wrote:Cookie - Also don't lump me with Blooper I never said your posts were fluff. I did think your earlier back pedal on Timmer was of note and now instead of keeping an eye on him you are considering a vote. I have never played with you so i do not know if your flip-floppy-ness is normal

Linky - fair enough Burger Boy.

What does everyone think of this interaction between Roxy and HamburgerBoy?

Missed this before, this is sketch af mp. It seems more contrived from hamburger rather than roxy imo, which is giving me pause.

Why do you think it seems more contrived from Burger?

What gives you pause about Roxy in this interaction? What seems civilian-minded to you?

Made wrote: I disagree, I'm with mp on this on. Epi guns people, that's his thing, often he's terribly wrong unless it's Enrique then he's very right. I don't think the voting cookie for cred theory really holds much weight. From a player who hates being bad, I don't think I'd let a teammate off me this early in the game, regardless of the civvie cred, because having more people I think is more important than a bit of day 3 cred.

Linki- having been salty for being taken down for a bullshit reason (glares at Enrique) I see the resemblance tbh...

So you don't think Epi could have bussed a teammate at all, or you're just not convinced that anything we've seen from him is anything different than normal, or... something else?

How do you think teammates of Cookie acted then, given your sentiment here? Bussed her, didn't bus her, a combination?

You seem to suspect Rox, who else do you suspect and why?

DharmaHelper wrote:

How does everyone read this post by Made?

Seeing as though he seems to have significant heat surrounding him (from what I could tell, reading D2), I think it's worth discussing, since this is by far his most emotionally-charged post. Fake? Sincere? Why?

Reads most like a mafia/indie being salty about being taken down for a bullshit reason. Kind of like "I would be cool with it if you found me out legitimately, but what I'm taking votes for is kinda dumb".

Of the Cookie votes you mentioned Saberfish is the most suspicious to me. Thinking back to Death Note, I blasted Bass for parroting other people's suspects and nobody paid that any mind. Seems like what he's doing there. (Saber that is)

That's the impression I got too, but I'm not sold on it. I've been there, done that too many times to recall. Being caught for the wrong reasons is terrible, way worse than being suspected for wrong reasons as a civilian (though that still sucks), since at least with the latter one has vindication upon flip, whereas the former will get "I knew so and so was bad!" and you'll just sit there thinking, "But NOT for the reasons you stated!!" :P

What do you make of this being Saberfish's first game? Does that alter your opinion at all?

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MovingPictures07 wrote:

sig wrote:I'm not sure about Mac's Mom he is lower on my mafia list since I doubt two mafia would vote on the same person so soon, It doesn't seem like your mafia right know either.
Idk I just really find Sabers posts odd and think he is mafia it is a gut read. Plus he made it sound like he had a huge reveal but never said anything.

Since Tiny has said last game she was a civilian and she didn't this time I found that odd.

For Timmer the only person he really suspected and voted on was Saberfish.
I still think Saberfish is mafia, however if a better candidate appears I would lynch them.
Though I find Ika vote strange he didn't post and then he lynched cookie who already has many votes on her, Ike also didn't vote day 1.
Ike who would you like to lynch and why?

sig, this is noted, thanks.

What post do you mean regarding Saber's huge reveal?

He's referring to a post I made early on, saying I noticed a few things, but then opted not to talk about it because, this being my first online mafia game, I wasn't entirely sure on the game's mechanics. When this brought suspicion on me I said it was me noticing LC wanting to find Stan ASAP, which led me to believe he was on Team Crews.

Noted.

What are your thoughts now?

Vote that looks most likely to come from a Cookie teammate on D2? Why?

Any suspects?

Sorry folks, had to get some sleep. Headed to the airport in like 45 minutes, but I can chill until then. Will post some more now... since it's likely the last time I'll have a laptop for the next 10 days or so.

DharmaHelper wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Let's assume Epi flips mafia. Where would you look for the other teammates?

Same question if Epi flips civilian.

Would it be at all possible for some vote analysis? I liked what you had to say earlier on, I believe after Day 1. With a Cookie flip on Day 2, we should have more to go off of.

If I have enough time, I might start examining some interactions between Cookie and folks.

I might do something tomorrow, but not right now. I would focus on the quieter players in either Epi flip scenario. Seems logical that the mafia would enjoy the louder personalities going at each other after losing one of their own.

Noted. If so, it would be mighty appreciated! I know it takes a lot of time though.

I need to finish packing and such, then maybe I can whip up some interaction posts.

Also, what did folks think of these...?

MovingPictures07 wrote: 2) General Observations and Questions for Everyone

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Made wrote:Ok, hi
So re the tangible argument against me. My post against niji was a joke. I never actually suspected bloop, just funny banter that apparently I can't get away with.

My post that replys to her suspicion to timmer was in support of her theory.

Honestly I'm kinda pissed that Epi and dh are able to get away with such bs reasonings for their vote with out anyone batting an eye because it's their meta. It's kinda bullshit and if I get voted before they do I'll will bring the salt.

Also gman's 8ball thing did(and does ) annoy me too because when we go back to day 1 5,6 days from now, we will literally have nothing on him. Do these make them bad? No. But it does make it hard to attack with out being shaken off with an "try again later" or an "nightwing suxs"
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Gonna check spreadsheet for something really fast then vote probably.

How does everyone read this post by Made?

Seeing as though he seems to have significant heat surrounding him (from what I could tell, reading D2), I think it's worth discussing, since this is by far his most emotionally-charged post. Fake? Sincere? Why?

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Roxy wrote:I have so many that I am willing to vote for today: Saberfish, MP, Cookie, Burger Boy, Made, Bubbles or DP if he does not answer my question

Linky - oooooo Now you are suspicious of Timmer------again after you said after reading back you did not find him suspicious?

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Roxy wrote:Screw it I am voting Cookie - she pinged me the most - I will also add to my earlier suspicions and say she had said she was looking at Timmer or Made this lynch then made a quotey post about Timmer only and stayed mum on Made.

Roxy's progression here is notable.

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nijuukyugou wrote:So many choices. I thought there would be more votes up given that several have announced their vote in the thread, but there are only 5 total so far? Huh.

Feeling slightly, slightly better about Made regarding tone, but that could be just him fixin' it up for me Thoughts on timmer haven't changed since I last spoke of him. Then this happens:

Roxy wrote:I have so many that I am willing to vote for today: Saberfish, MP, Cookie, Burger Boy, Made, Bubbles or DP if he does not answer my question

Linky - oooooo Now you are suspicious of Timmer------again after you said after reading back you did not find him suspicious?

Yes, this caught my eye as well. Trying to look more contributory, Cookie McNasty? I pointed out these same exactly things (minus the most recent quotes) when I voted him last and you made no comment on them then.

Vote by Blooper for Cookie.

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Saberfish wrote:I'm voting for Cookie; them being flip-floppy about Timmer is enough for me.

Vote by Saberfish for Cookie.

These are the votes that rang most likely to be a teammate bussing Cookie, in addition to ika's unexplained (right?) vote, out of those who voted for her. Thoughts? Agree or disagree?

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Roxy wrote:

HamburgerBoy wrote:Roxy, could you explain your particular suspicion here?

HamburgerBoy wrote:

Roxy wrote:Burger Boy (shifty vote is shifty for sure) could vote here

Why me? If anything I should be one of the least likely to be KillFace, unless you mean anyone on that team (the context of your post would indicate KillFace the fellow in particular though). By voting on someone that had one vote, my vote would have resulted in MM's lynch among several other people tied in second. It would be more logical for me to vote for someone with no votes, or vote for someone that already had two, if I were Killface.

It was your reasoning that I found shifty. It was like you put no thought or care into your vote and instead focused on keeping ties.

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HamburgerBoy wrote:

Roxy wrote:It was your reasoning that I found shifty. It was like you put no thought or care into your vote and instead focused on keeping ties.

That's vague, and I'd disagree. I think I had posted more about Killface and double-voting stuffs than most other players at that point. My vote post itself didn't announce that, but the few posts leading up to it clearly showed me thought process.

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Roxy wrote:Cookie - Also don't lump me with Blooper I never said your posts were fluff. I did think your earlier back pedal on Timmer was of note and now instead of keeping an eye on him you are considering a vote. I have never played with you so i do not know if your flip-floppy-ness is normal

Linky - fair enough Burger Boy.

What does everyone think of this interaction between Roxy and HamburgerBoy?

I had this in my super mega post from last night, but no one's really talked about it. So let's do that.

Also, which votes for Cookie look worst? Would a Cookie teammate have bussed her or thrown off elsewhere?

DharmaHelper wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Can I ask what seems a more likely scenario to people:

Epignosis caught Cookie with absolutely no logical evidence, and a completely shit track record for hunting baddies (Harry Potter, Death Note)

Or Epignosis, knowing Cookie didn't want to be on the mafia team, bussed her for the credit.

Epignosis tends to gun after players early in many games I've seen him play, usually based on suspicions that he has formed, however weak. Usually hardly anyone else is going after anyone else with near the audacity that he does.

I'm not sure I'd say Epi has a shit record. He tends to be hit or miss, like many of us, but I certainly don't think his record is any shittier than mine.

Either scenario is entirely possible. I'll never eliminate Epignosis from being mafia, since he could pull almost any move with regards to a teammate (from harsh bussing to harsh defending and anywhere in between) and I'd probably believe it. I saw his suspicion as genuine though.

It's interesting, since you, Epi, and S~V~S are my strongest reads right now for the genuine hunting in their behavior, yet you seem to find the two others suspect.

Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Ain't none of these other fuckers squeaking.

Let's assume Epi flips mafia. Where would you look for the other teammates?

Same question if Epi flips civilian.

Would it be at all possible for some vote analysis? I liked what you had to say earlier on, I believe after Day 1. With a Cookie flip on Day 2, we should have more to go off of.

If I have enough time, I might start examining some interactions between Cookie and folks.

DharmaHelper wrote:Can I ask what seems a more likely scenario to people:

Epignosis caught Cookie with absolutely no logical evidence, and a completely shit track record for hunting baddies (Harry Potter, Death Note)

Or Epignosis, knowing Cookie didn't want to be on the mafia team, bussed her for the credit.

Epignosis tends to gun after players early in many games I've seen him play, usually based on suspicions that he has formed, however weak. Usually hardly anyone else is going after anyone else with near the audacity that he does.

I'm not sure I'd say Epi has a shit record. He tends to be hit or miss, like many of us, but I certainly don't think his record is any shittier than mine.

Either scenario is entirely possible. I'll never eliminate Epignosis from being mafia, since he could pull almost any move with regards to a teammate (from harsh bussing to harsh defending and anywhere in between) and I'd probably believe it. I saw his suspicion as genuine though.

It's interesting, since you, Epi, and S~V~S are my strongest reads right now for the genuine hunting in their behavior, yet you seem to find the two others suspect.

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MovingPictures07 wrote:Hello, Made! Who should we lynch and why?

DH, that's an interesting find. Do you believe that contradicts her behavior here? Is her alignment known in BoB?

The quote I pulled jives with my experiences with SVS. This version of her doesn't. It's a sharp right turn, and I really don't know how to make heads or tails of it. If she's legitimately making an effort to change how she plays, that kind of sucks. I don't want to play with this version of SVS. I like her with her bite and fight and attitude. Who else keeps me in check?

I think she might have been lynched in BoB, but I didn't read any of the game, just her posts. My point in all this being that her behavior regarding you and Epi was uncharacteristic, and I wouldn't feel right turning a blind eye to it.

It's suspicious. What am I supposed to do? I'm not the walk-on-eggshells type.

I don't blame you for bringing it up; I'm just trying to reconcile your viewpoint.

I do agree that we are seeing a different S~V~S this game, a more cautious one. I think she feels embarrassed about her behavior in recent games, particularly BoB (with Epi), so I can understand why she'd want to switch up her style. I'm not sure I think that style switch is inherently suspicious, since player styles are hardly incredibly static over a long period of time, from game to game, and there can be any number of reasons a player might change up a style.

I think S~V~S sounds genuine in her approach, but it could still make her mafia. Trying to pick your brain here.

sig wrote:I'm not sure about Mac's Mom he is lower on my mafia list since I doubt two mafia would vote on the same person so soon, It doesn't seem like your mafia right know either.
Idk I just really find Sabers posts odd and think he is mafia it is a gut read. Plus he made it sound like he had a huge reveal but never said anything.

Since Tiny has said last game she was a civilian and she didn't this time I found that odd.

For Timmer the only person he really suspected and voted on was Saberfish.
I still think Saberfish is mafia, however if a better candidate appears I would lynch them.
Though I find Ika vote strange he didn't post and then he lynched cookie who already has many votes on her, Ike also didn't vote day 1.
Ike who would you like to lynch and why?

sig, this is noted, thanks.

What post do you mean regarding Saber's huge reveal?

Hello, Made! Who should we lynch and why?

DH, that's an interesting find. Do you believe that contradicts her behavior here? Is her alignment known in BoB?

Epignosis wrote:Some of us are busy doing things.

Yeah, with your mom.

Is anyone around to chat right now? I'll check back in off and on the next few hours as well.

Errrr... I said "likewise" there, but that's clearly not what I meant. Substitute "conversely".

Noted, thanks, DH and S~V~S!

Interestingly, my read of Roxy is currently heavily dependent on her behavior. I don't really have any opinion of her tone. So I'll keep that in mind. Likewise, my read of S~V~S is heavily dependent on tone. I'm not sure what to make of her more cautious approach, but I hesitate to see it as a mafia perspective, since S~V~S could have easily took advantage of me or Epi in order to get us lynched. I don't know. She seems more cautious and less opportunistic to me, DH, if that makes sense?

DharmaHelper wrote:Well everyone's so darn talkative.

I know, right? What's the deal?

Like Made, I won't have much time tomorrow, but I suppose I can hold my vote until then and vote sometime when I'm in Cincinnati. Still would like to get people's thoughts/opinions though.

Alright, so I'm officially caught up. This will probably be one of the few MP-like posts I'll make in this game, since I'll be phone posting starting Wednesday. I'll try to be around as much as I can tomorrow (well, I suppose later today, since it's 1:30AM Tuesday here) as possible, since my time will be limited going forward.

First off, RIP Elo, Scotty, LC, and timmer.

But BIH Cookie! Nice nab, Epi... that is, if you didn't bus her. :P

Good to see sig made it to the party!

I'm going to comment on some posts and ask some questions, especially to make up for lost MPing. That said, I tried to keep it as concise as possible (believe it or not), and not rehash discussion that seems no longer relevant. Second, I make some general observations and ask everyone a couple of questions. Lastly, I provide a rainbow list. Yay!

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1) Responses to Posts
Epignosis, after D2's progression, do you still hold any of these suspicions? If so, which ones?

Also, I'm confused; I looked at Saberfish's posts in ISO and didn't see the role hint either. Am I being obtuse?
nijuukyugou, is Made your top mafia read going into today? If so, why? If not, why, and who is?
sig, do you have any questions for me? Have you determined anything regarding me and Epi?

Why do you agree with Epi about TinyBubbles? Do you expect every single one of us to come into the game and say we are civilians? I don't believe everyone has. How many games have you played with TinyBubbles?

Are you still pinged by Roxy's D1 mantra if it is asserted that she automatically takes that stance regardless of alignment in any game?
HamburgerBoy, it depends on the team. Generally, I think mafia tend to utilize their BTSC here. I definitely do when I'm bad.
Roxy, is your suspicion of me based entirely on Daisy's thoughts? You seem to imply that here. However...
Here you said you have your eye on me for different reasons. Are these reasons entirely due to what Daisy brought up?

If so, is there anything I still need to address for your purpose? I think I addressed Daisy adequately, but I can't recall, and she hasn't been around to elucidate her concern.
DharmaHelper, I am intrigued. Do you still find S~V~S suspicious? If so, how much?

I have a notoriously hard time reading her, as many know, so I'm particularly curious. GTH I've been reading her civilian.
Epignosis, I believe you here. I don't think you'd kill Elo N1. I find your new player theory intriguing... but as DH noted, this is a WIFOM-loaded question, so it's difficult to discern. I suppose it's worth keeping in mind though.
sig, how have Saber's posts seemed odd?

Given Cookie's mafia flip, how do you feel about Mac's Mom?
HamburgerBoy, can you elaborate on your nijuu/Blooper read here?
S~V~S, can you elaborate upon this, by chance? You are seeing a different Roxy than I am, since I find myself (gasp) in agreement with Epi that she's not looking too great. Since I consider you to generally read her well, I'm curious what it is exactly that you find civilian about her in this game. What do you mean by a mocking tone?

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2) General Observations and Questions for Everyone
How does everyone read this post by Made?

Seeing as though he seems to have significant heat surrounding him (from what I could tell, reading D2), I think it's worth discussing, since this is by far his most emotionally-charged post. Fake? Sincere? Why?
Roxy's progression here is notable.
Vote by Blooper for Cookie.
Vote by Saberfish for Cookie.

These are the votes that rang most likely to be a teammate bussing Cookie, in addition to ika's unexplained (right?) vote, out of those who voted for her. Thoughts? Agree or disagree?
What does everyone think of this interaction between Roxy and HamburgerBoy?

nijuukyugou wrote:

THE BOX!! THE BOX!!!

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3) MP's Rainbow Reads General comments:
- Within groups, I forced myself to still rank every player, instead of listing them alphabetically.
- DH seems most genuinely civilian to me at the moment, but I've been bamboozled by him before (Misfits Mafia), so I'm still approaching him skeptically.
- Saberfish's alignment is dependent on said role claim, which I have not seen. Therefore, it is currently omitted, but my opinion of him may inevitably change if I can understand where the claim is coming from, and it makes sense to believe it.
- Roxy seems most mafia to me at the moment, largely due to her behavior, with the flip onto Cookie D2 reeking of a bus.

I'm remaining open-minded, however, and welcome any comments or requests for elaboration.

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4) So... What Are These Folks Thinking?

Also, I want to know what DisgruntledPorcupine, HamburgerBoy, ika, Mac's Mom, Saberfish, Spacedaisy, and TinyBubbles are thinking currently re: suspects ASAP. They haven't said enough regarding this.

...and I'm tired. See you folks tomorrow (well, later today).

Going to see if I can fully catch up and produce some MP-level posts tonight, folks!

Hey all! Just wanted to say that I'll try catching up as soon as I can, but I need to get some PhD work done first. I think I just had some really nasty food poisoning. Yuck. But I'm feeling fairly better today.

I would say I should be able to start fully playing, as a result, but I fly out at 5:00AM on Wednesday to Ohio, then the wedding on Saturday, so... we'll see how it goes. Expect a lot of phone posts.

Hey all. I really hate to do this, especially as a guy who really despises self voting in many of its forms, but I have fallen very ill, and won't be able to even think about playing until I get better. Sadly, I was counting on every day to accomplish all my wedding and PhD work, and was already feeling behind. Wasn't anticipating getting sick. So once I am feeling better, that will take utmost priority.

I apologize, I'll be back into the game as soon as I can.

Well, I have a really busy few days ahead of me between PhD work and wedding planning. Daisy flies out Saturday morning, then I fly out Wednesday morning, gotta have everything PhD done by then. Very likely won't be back until Day 2. Not sure how active I'll be going forward, but I know how much of an addict I am, and I'll try, so I'll inevitably still probably have a fair amount of posts. Night folks.

Scotty, I didn't NK you in Watchmen, no, but I heavily suspected you at end of Day 1 going into Night 1, and it seems like the civilian ninja agreed with me.

I was watching the vote specifically, saw Cookie voted, so didn't vote sig for that specific reason. Otherwise, I would have voted sig, actually, to tie up a no show. I learned from Watchmen to more closely watch the vote if I was going to wait until the last minute possible to cast it. Kept pressing F5. :P

I don't follow. How would Epi's assessment make me look more suspicious?

Epignosis wrote:Sorry, ika, I have many reasons to visit Tennessee again, but poker isn't one.

Saberfish wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:So,

Mac's Mom, HamburgerBoy, Saberfish, this is your first game on The Syndicate. What thoughts do you have? Any suspects?

On it's face it's possible that the lynching wasn't randomized and SVS, Hamburger, or Roxy are Killface since his vote is worth two.

I've been Mafia with a bigger vote before. The strategy is to hide that vote (bwa ha, I didn't though- remember me as Gus Fring LC?).

But I think most people tend to be more cautious, and I think S~V~S's vote and Roxy's vote were honest. Hamburger Guy I don't know, so meh.

A possible big ass tie is uncomfortable when your vote is worth more. Look for the outliers, I think.

I agree with your assessment here.

Saberfish wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:So,

Mac's Mom, HamburgerBoy, Saberfish, this is your first game on The Syndicate. What thoughts do you have? Any suspects?

On it's face it's possible that the lynching wasn't randomized and SVS, Hamburger, or Roxy are Killface since his vote is worth two.

That's true! Definitely something to keep in mind. Did you find anyone's behavior or vote questionable?

Epignosis wrote:Did I just get told off on the Internet?

I can't tell.

Spacedaisy wrote:Wow, a lot has happened. Most of it seems like silliness to me but there are a few interesting things in my opinion.

Ok, so Epi Just seemed to be throwing shit around in what read like a silly manner to me because he was trying to shake things and people up. I could be wrong but that's how it came across to me. I didn't respond at the time he mentioned me because I didn't see any need to. It all just felt like, "Let's get this party going!" Kind of maneuver. The thing that interested me about it was how MP responded. He seemed intent on keeping it light and jokey. Made a point to keep reiterating the how many drinks comments and when Epi asked him a direct question instead of just answering it he got a defensive tone and refused to answer any questions until he had something of substance. Why not just answer the question, it would seem to me an easy one to answer.

That said, SVS, you made a case that they were teammates. This I don't feel as confident about for the exact reason MP brought up. It is not either of their styles to play it like that. I just came out of a baddie team with Epi in Guess Who and he planned to bus and did it. I don't think MP could tell Epi howto playand I don't think MP would ask Epi to back off. There is a chance they are baddie teammates I suppose, but I don't think the particular case you presented is all that damning. So I don't see a reason to believe that is the case.

Also, I don't think there is much to "beer gate." It has felt from the start to me like MP's effort to discredit what Epi was saying. And Eloh's answer to it seems to line up with it.

I don't find LC's plotting all that strange or suspicious. He is always the strategist, it is very much how he plays and I'm grateful for it, especially when I'm too busy to do much strategizing, lol. Having said that I haven't read the roles closely enough yet to see if his plans make sense. MM can you explain why you find his plans to be vote worthy?

Mac, you are cracking me up!

I feel like I am missing something else but I'm pretty tired so...

Daisy, I presume this is the post you must be talking about. I did see it, didn't think it was worth a response. Didn't realize that you really thought I was bad. You just said you were "interested" in my response.

Can you elaborate on your thoughts, please?

So,

Mac's Mom, HamburgerBoy, Saberfish, this is your first game on The Syndicate. What thoughts do you have? Any suspects?

Spacedaisy wrote:MP, Because I think you are bad. I don't have that many posts, it can't be that hard to keep up with what I've said.

Did you have anything you wanted me to respond to?

Scotty wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I voted for LC. I wanted to keep a tied vote, and I felt more comfortable voting for him than Cookie, Epi, timmer, or myself (obviously). I see Scotty's point about LC's nonchalance in voting, and I can empathize a bit.

Thanks MP! Wanna be buddies today?

Bass isn't here to comment on it this time.


linki- Ah damn. Sorry MM

Sure man. I owe you after getting you NKed in Watchmen, and I don't get any bad vibes from you so far.

HamburgerBoy wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Burgerboy didn't actually say why he voted. So...

Hamburger
SVS
Roxy

But...

I was brought up to believe all is for the best

It was to widen the tie.

FYI, since we typically do not have changeable votes, people usually post their vote and reasoning for it when they cast it. Considered good form. Not mandatory though.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I appreciate the Rush lyrics, MM, but do you have anything to contribute?

Not really. I'm in 4 games right now and haven't paid much attention here.

All I know is that sometimes you have to be wary of a miracle too good to be true

You don't have any thoughts on anyone or anyone's votes, in case you die?

Burgerboy didn't actually say why he voted. So...

Hamburger
SVS
Roxy

But...

I was brought up to believe all is for the best

This is noted, especially since it seems as though you have died.

RIP MM.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:MP, did you see what I said about Cookie?

Yeah, I don't recall much other than you saying she's uncomfortable when bad though. Was there anything else?

She is a self-described comfortable civilian who can find Mafia.

I have not seen that here.

That's a fair point, but how many players have you seen that from so far?

I'm legitimately curious, since I think most players didn't really exhibit that today.

I haven't seen a civilian Cookie yet, so I'm intrigued to see if she can deliver on that.

Scotty wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Voting closes in ten minutes. Still missing six.

I already owe 1 drink.

And MM, I will dissect those past 3 comments you made as hidden messages should you appear as civilian.

Scouts honor.

He's just quoting lyrics from Rush's Clockwork Angels.

Spacedaisy wrote:Sorry for cutting it close, just finished dinner and then caught up. I voted MP, feel more comfortable with a vote there than anywhere else at the moment. This is a crazy widespread vote!

Why?

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: LOL, no, that's not my bachelor party. Russ is going to another wedding, his roommate in college, this Saturday, a week before mine and Daisy's.

I had my bachelor party back in December when I was in Ohio, since I didn't think I'd be able to fly in until literally the last minute. Turns out I'm flying back on the 5th.

And were there boobs? I promise I won't tell daisy

LOL, no, we played board games pretty much the whole time. :P

I voted for LC. I wanted to keep a tied vote, and I felt more comfortable voting for him than Cookie, Epi, timmer, or myself (obviously). I see Scotty's point about LC's nonchalance in voting, and I can empathize a bit.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I appreciate the Rush lyrics, MM, but do you have anything to contribute?

Not really. I'm in 4 games right now and haven't paid much attention here.

All I know is that sometimes you have to be wary of a miracle too good to be true

You don't have any thoughts on anyone or anyone's votes, in case you die?

Epignosis wrote:MP, did you see what I said about Cookie?

Yeah, I don't recall much other than you saying she's uncomfortable when bad though. Was there anything else?