Frisky Dingo ENDGAME

[DharmaHelper]

Roxy.

She likes new players and I think Cookie would appeal to her.

The "I will vote for anyone voting new players" angle (which Roxy does take regularly) turned into voting MetalMarsh89 for 3 votes when Cookie had 2 ("I broke the tie!"). She could have broken the Cookie Day 1. She didn't because of dogma.

The refusal to vote new players despite evidence is dogma, Roxy. Dogma.

She cast a wide net Day 2 ("I could vote any of these people") and ended up voting Cookie after I tipped the scales.

I feel confident Roxy is bad.

While I would love it if she were since she won't drop the thing I am really embarrassed and don't want to talk about, I honestly don;t think she is. She has a certain waspishness about her when she is bad that I am not seeing here.

You're not seeing how waspish Roxy has been?

What exactly is waspish? Sounds disgusting tbh

There is a lot of sass/sharpness to some of your interactions with people.

[Roxy]

It is bc that is how I have been irl since march. Nothing to do with anyone here or the gae it is just me bc my life sucks esp since march.

I do not mean to take it out on any one person or player - I have been trying extra hard this game to not be a bitch.

[Roxy]

But if you want to find me suspicious bc of my 'tude then I can do nothing about it nor can I change myself at this time.

[DharmaHelper]

Roxy, your attitude is the least suspect thing about your play, IMO.

[Roxy]

Roxy, your attitude is the least suspect thing about your play, IMO.

That makes me feel better. it is why I have been avoiding games here and playing on 2+2

[Spacedaisy]

Hey guys, I am in Ohio now preparing for the wedding. I apologize for forgetting the vote yesterday but then last night my internet for knocked out by a storm so I can only access the forms by phone which is really hard for me. My phone is not very good for this sort of thing. I'm going to try to get caught up and keep up. If I find in the next two or the days that it is too much for me with the wedding and all, then I will get replaced out. I'm so sorry for not being here.

[Long Con]

So, G-Man thinks the Xtacles should kill Made. It's pretty unlikely that all four will be that focused, and who knows what instructions Xander Crews might have given them last night. Probably best if they prioritize what Xander says over the Magic 8-Ball.. but hey, maybe it's the same person!

[Ricochet]

tfw night posts appear written as DAY

[S~V~S]

Roxy.

She likes new players and I think Cookie would appeal to her.

The "I will vote for anyone voting new players" angle (which Roxy does take regularly) turned into voting MetalMarsh89 for 3 votes when Cookie had 2 ("I broke the tie!"). She could have broken the Cookie Day 1. She didn't because of dogma.

The refusal to vote new players despite evidence is dogma, Roxy. Dogma.

She cast a wide net Day 2 ("I could vote any of these people") and ended up voting Cookie after I tipped the scales.

I feel confident Roxy is bad.

While I would love it if she were since she won't drop the thing I am really embarrassed and don't want to talk about, I honestly don;t think she is. She has a certain waspishness about her when she is bad that I am not seeing here.

You're not seeing how waspish Roxy has been?

What exactly is waspish? Sounds disgusting tbh

When you're bad, you have a certain quality to your posts, at least as I read them. A mocking tone, that real Roxy does not have, and that civ Roxy does not have. I read you almost totally on tone most games. I am not seeing that here at all. This is not a judgment on you, just on your bad game as I see it. You're more direct when you're a civ, which IS what i am seeing here.

[S~V~S]

DH is right, Rox. Absolutely nothing wrong with your attitude. That's my point

[Epignosis]

Roxy.

She likes new players and I think Cookie would appeal to her.

The "I will vote for anyone voting new players" angle (which Roxy does take regularly) turned into voting MetalMarsh89 for 3 votes when Cookie had 2 ("I broke the tie!"). She could have broken the Cookie Day 1. She didn't because of dogma.

The refusal to vote new players despite evidence is dogma, Roxy. Dogma.

She cast a wide net Day 2 ("I could vote any of these people") and ended up voting Cookie after I tipped the scales.

I feel confident Roxy is bad.

You cast a pretty wide net yourself. There is more than one baddie this game I try not to limit my suspicion to one player.
Tough shit about Day 1. Its how I play. It is who I am as a person. I will not change. The evidence you provided Day 1 just did not prick my interest. It was her flip floppy-ness on Timmer that I found so strange. I questioned her beginning with my "wide net" post you are referring to bc I linky'd with her while making it.

That isn't a wide net. Those are my opinions on new people, publicly relayed. Notice that I did not say "Here's a list of people I could vote for," as you did. After posting my thinking, I concluded that Saberfish was the most suspicious of the group (followed by Cookie and TinyBubbles). I elected not to vote for Saberfish, and then voted Cookie again.

Regardless of how wide my net was, I caught a fishy.

After my questioning my list narrowed here:

For me it is Made or Cookie.

Your post six minutes after that is this:

just read Mades posts and it really does not read like joking. so iunno

This implies that you hadn't read Made's posts before narrowing it between Cookie and Made.

Before that, you don't really mention Made at all, except to say that you won't vote for him (Day 1), that his vote for timmer is "quite odd."

Of note is that both Made and Cookie were turning points based on their timmer takes. Cookie you went after for backing off, Made for voting.

Epi - you knew she hated being mafia. I could see you bus her but I do agree it is more likely you would have helped her.
I guess you think I am a shitty player that could offer her no advice or help her in anyway if I had bts with her. That I would have let her flop around without help while helping to drive her lynch.

The implication of the underlined is this: Cookie's teammates, whoever they may be, are shitty players because they "could offer her no advice or help her in" any way. I realize that you don't mean that, but that is what you imply here. At worst, it's emotional manipulation.

No. I don't think you are a shitty player.

What you did do is save her Day 1 by voting Metalmarsh89, and then vote Cookie late on Day 2. If you're on a team, you tried to help her. Day 2, you realized there was a good chance she was going down and, due to her loud, personal defeatism in BTSC I suspect, realized there was no chance helping her more than you had.

So no, I would see you as a teammate who tried her best and it just wasn't good enough.

[DharmaHelper]

[Tangrowth]

Going to see if I can fully catch up and produce some MP-level posts tonight, folks!

[nijuukyugou]

Hey, Real Live Adults!

Love to cook but hate to cook breakfast?
Too tired in the morning to pour a bowl of cereal?
Mad at mediocre muffins?
Waffling on wiggly waffles?
Puking up putrid pancakes?
Binged-out on burned bacon?
Over eggs over-easy?
Coughing up coffee?
Seething at searing tea?

Then you need…

THE BREAKFAST MACHINE®!

Sometimes, you just don’t have the time or energy to create a delicious breakfast on par with your lunch, dinner, supper, fourthmeal, and drunksnack menus. Sometimes, your partner is a terrible cook. Sometimes, your partner is imaginary and is still a terrible cook. The Breakfast Machine® is the latest and greatest in morning technology, guaranteed to speed up your routine and create the breakfast that’s just right for you!


Simply attach the patented Early-Riser Electrodes to your scalp, imagine your perfect breakfast, and voila! in two minutes, you’re chowing down on whatever your greased-up heart desires - Western omelets, plain Cheerios in milk, tuna sandwiches, even mashed potatoes! If you can think it, you can eat it for breakfast!

It’s magical!

It’s legal*!

It’s delicious!

It’s THE BREAKFAST MACHINE®!

*In Greenland.

The Breakfast Machine® is not responsible for loss of scalp, lower extremities, body hair or eyes. Always use Early Riser Lubricant with Early Riser Electrodes to prevent bodily fires and deterioration of mental faculties. The makers of The Breakfast Machine® apologize for the profuse use of terrible alliterative puns. Lunch and Dinner Machines not available at this time. The Breakfast Machine® would like to access your personal data, photos, and posts. All hail The Breakfast Machine®. Not to be confused with The Breakfast Machine.

[Golden]

Technically speaking, terms and conditions written in very small print may not be binding if they are not reasonably readable to an ordinary common person.

Thus spake the contract lawyer.

[Long Con]

Shut up and take my money!

[thellama73]

Day 3 - Las Vegas

"Wow, this invention convention is tight!" said Dharmahelper, but then he was distracted by the wave of death that followed. Turns out this whole idea was a little... convoluted.

Timmer has been killed by Wendell. He was Xander Crews.
Long Con's head has exploded.
Roxy has won the invention contest, and Nijuukyugou has won best presentation.
You have 48 hours to lynch a one hitter quitter.

We can't ever go back to Vegas!

[Made]

Well then, that's unfortunate. (Also I really need to start reading night post properly.)

[DharmaHelper]

Smells like a sound, I'm lost in the crowd, I'm on the hunt I'm after you.

[Epignosis]

Timmer flipped?

[Epignosis]

Smells like a sound, I'm lost in the crowd, I'm on the hunt I'm after you.

Duran Duran?

Damn.

[Long Con]

Invention contest? I also need to read more thoroughly next time. Wait. There is no next time. Maybe it's on-topic but I think it doesn't matter: hilarious that Scotty and I were both Xtacles.

[DharmaHelper]

Day 3 - Las Vegas

"Wow, this invention convention is tight!" said Dharmahelper, but then he was distracted by the wave of death that followed. Turns out this whole idea was a little... convoluted.

Timmer has been killed by Wendell. He was Xander Crews.
Long Con's head has exploded.
Roxy has won the invention contest, and Nijuukyugou has won best presentation.
You have 48 hours to lynch a one hitter quitter.

We can't ever go back to Vegas!

He was a skater boy, she said see you later boy.

[Long Con]

I am going to invent a broken cock repair kit.


Epi - you are wrong. I am good. I have been open and honest with my suspicions. Idc if you do not like my Day 1 voting rules.

Also, I forgot to say: the googly eyes were a solid addition, worked great for me!

[Epignosis]

It gets worse.

I say we vote out DharmaHelper now to stop this atrociousness.

Who is with me?

[DharmaHelper]

It gets worse.

I say we vote out DharmaHelper now to stop this atrociousness.

Who is with me?

Nah lets not

[Epignosis]

It gets worse.

I say we vote out DharmaHelper now to stop this atrociousness.

Who is with me?

Nah lets not

Your song choices suck.

I hope MP doesn't invite you to the wedding.

[Scotty]

Invention contest? I also need to read more thoroughly next time. Wait. There is no next time. Maybe it's on-topic but I think it doesn't matter: hilarious that Scotty and I were both Xtacles.

Also holy shit I didn't notice there is a "dead" denotation of font next to Font Colour. wtf I've been using iterations of Red this whole time.

[DharmaHelper]

It gets worse.

I say we vote out DharmaHelper now to stop this atrociousness.

Who is with me?

Nah lets not

Your song choices suck.

I hope MP doesn't invite you to the wedding.

So, when did you decide to bus Cookie?

[G-Man]

It gets worse.

I say we vote out DharmaHelper now to stop this atrociousness.

Who is with me?

Don't count on it

[Made]

Can we get back to the part where gman suspects me but still hasn't given a reasoning because of his silly gimmick? The bad part is I don't want to vote him because of it, but we're on day 3 now sooo....

[Made]

Also since we have two days, I have no reason to feel bad for asking for thoughts on xanders reveal? No secrets in his or Wendell's role descriptions

[Epignosis]

It gets worse.

I say we vote out DharmaHelper now to stop this atrociousness.

Who is with me?

Nah lets not

Your song choices suck.

I hope MP doesn't invite you to the wedding.

So, when did you decide to bus Cookie?

Come on dude.

Sing Mr. Bojangles or I'm voting for your ass.

[DharmaHelper]

Can we get back to the part where gman suspects me but still hasn't given a reasoning because of his silly gimmick? The bad part is I don't want to vote him because of it, but we're on day 3 now sooo....

I think he's given a reason. He thinks you insanified him and then asked him a loaded question.

[Made]

Can we get back to the part where gman suspects me but still hasn't given a reasoning because of his silly gimmick? The bad part is I don't want to vote him because of it, but we're on day 3 now sooo....

I think he's given a reason. He thinks you insanified him and then asked him a loaded question.

Well I didn't, but respect the person who did, and I do enjoy asking loaded questions, so guilty?

[Tangrowth]

Alright, so I'm officially caught up. This will probably be one of the few MP-like posts I'll make in this game, since I'll be phone posting starting Wednesday. I'll try to be around as much as I can tomorrow (well, I suppose later today, since it's 1:30AM Tuesday here) as possible, since my time will be limited going forward.

First off, RIP Elo, Scotty, LC, and timmer.

But BIH Cookie! Nice nab, Epi... that is, if you didn't bus her. :P

Good to see sig made it to the party!

I'm going to comment on some posts and ask some questions, especially to make up for lost MPing. That said, I tried to keep it as concise as possible (believe it or not), and not rehash discussion that seems no longer relevant. Second, I make some general observations and ask everyone a couple of questions. Lastly, I provide a rainbow list. Yay!

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

1) Responses to Posts

Spoiler: show

Cookie - I've said plenty about Cookie. Not a civilian. No way. I'm thinking Celestial now, though, because she strikes me as someone who isn't sure how to accomplish her goal. DH has defended her. Maybe Cookie is the john and DH is her whore. Fits. Fitting.

Hamburger Boy - Voted Metalmarsh- Metalmarsh lynched. Open and shut case.

Ika - Hope the hangover wasn't too bad and that the wallet isn't too empty. Did not vote. Probably for the best.

Mac's Mom - Crotchety old buzzard. Needs some prunes.

Saberfish - "Noticed some stuff" but couldn't be bothered to state what that stuff is. Asked about ties before voting. After the lynch, makes the obvious speculation that S~V~S, Hamburger Boy, or Roxy could be Killface. Voted thirteenth overall for Mac's Mom for a vague reason. Still not sharing what "stuff" was noticed. Voted someone who had no votes when eight others had at least one vote.

Sig - Last visit was the twentieth, so I can assume sig hasn't even opened his role PM.

TinyBubbles - Three posts. The third one includes a blanket defense of low posters. Votes MP because MP is getting married. That's noteworthy, because so is spacedaisy, yet TinyBubbles makes no mention of her. Tenth voter on a new candidate after six others had votes. TinyBubbles still hasn't expressed amazement at being a good guy for the fourth time in a row.

++++

Based on this, I say Saberface is Killfish.

Epignosis, after D2's progression, do you still hold any of these suspicions? If so, which ones?

Also, I'm confused; I looked at Saberfish's posts in ISO and didn't see the role hint either. Am I being obtuse?

Spoiler: show

I'm back! And caught up!

It could also be someone who interlocutor that killing Canucklehead early in games is becoming a tired guilty and decided to Peter it out on your wife instead.

People catching my eye for reasons:

Timmer - Same reasoning as I gave before. The substance of his posts hasn't really changed much since my last accusation. He said he's gone for the weekend, but his participation was still weaker than I remember in other games before he left.

Cookie - Posts insubstantially at first, as has been pointed out many times. When criticized/suspected for it, she attempts to post questions, comments, etc. of substance that really look like fluff to me (e.g., "I see G-Man is insanified." Really now?). I didn't get to play much in Watchmen but I have been following somewhat, and Cookie's tone/substance looks very similar, especially when it actually is compared side by side. I don't know how people are seeing marginally different tones between the games.

Made - His tone and scarcer posting reminds me majorly of DW - more serious, a little more snarky, a lot less playful, and he was a bad, bad baddie.

I will likely vote for one of these lovely players today.

I also dig the idea of a newbie/fairly newbie being on Team Killface due to the NK - not that I don't think Eloh is an awesome player but she really isn't ever killed Night 1. It's an unusual choice. But then again, that could make a helluva WIFOM. Just thought of that. I'll keep it all in mind.

Linki - Oh God DH don't call Epi a professor - his ego's big enough as it is!

nijuukyugou, is Made your top mafia read going into today? If so, why? If not, why, and who is?

Spoiler: show

Writing as I read and justgoing to voice some thoughts,
First few pages just not much, a back and forth between Epi and Mp not sure what to think.
(page 4) hamburger boys second, and third posts, they seem weird, but not to suspicious. Kinda like he wants to post but didn't have anything to say. So he could either be posting just because or trying to avoid suspicion

Page 5 Roxy pinged me, saying he/she? wouldn't vote for new players and would vote against anyone who voted for a new player. I'm all for voting for a new player and I think saying lets not lynch a new player is a good way for mafia members to slip by, they could either be new players or justify not voting for new players who are mafia by saying they don't want to vote for a new person.

Page 7 SVS makes a good point about MP/Epi not sure if it is real or fake, I will need to consider it more and read their defensive's.

Mac's Mom comes this phase and posts alot, but he is only joking with members and posting fillers.

Page 9 Elchin votes for me even though it seems we had a few suspicious people, I don't know if this would ping me as much if this vote wasn't directed at me, but this seems like an easy way to vote day 1 with no consequences, it will most likely not go anywhere and you avoid mislynching if you're mafia. If this bandwagoned then you lynched someone who didn't defend themselves and have a good excuse when they flip civ.

Page 10, Scotty saying I'm a safe lynch, not sure if this is an attempt to bandwagon or not, though I don't like it.

page 11 Mac's Mom voted without providing reasoning correct? This along with the fact that none of his posts have had substance is making me suspicious of him, he has posted so he isn't a no show and have said enough to be present but not so much that people will question him.

Page 12 almost caught up, Cookie voted for me that pings me. Metal flipped Civ, quick question is there a list of who voted for who, on my other sites one is posted with the results however I didn't see any?

Scotty says people voting for me could have snowballed, yet he was a player who said I was a safe lynch, know he didn't vote for me though so he I'm not sure about him, if he was mafia he could have easily voted for me and used that I was MIA as an excuse, so he is looking cleaner.

nothing I can comment on but I will be looking back more later, Mac's Mom again with his posts still nothing of substance.

So Scotty was exploded meaning he was an Xtacles, but who was Elohcin did it not say or did I miss it?
Obviously what I said early about Elochin and Scotty was wrong though I'm still suspicious of the people who voted to lynch me.

I agree with Epi about TinyBubble not saying she is civilian is odd, , so I don't see why if she was clean she wouldn't say she was a civilian. This isn't enough to lynch her but worth noting.

I could vote for Saberfish though I would like to see this stuff that Saber gathered/saw first.

I was playing Ultimate Frisbee for Sports merit badge jumped in the air crashed into someone, fell twisted my ankle and the other person fell on top of it. Thanks
the doctor says 2-3 weeks with no physical activities and I need crutches to get around thankfully it wasn't broken though

sig, do you have any questions for me? Have you determined anything regarding me and Epi?

Why do you agree with Epi about TinyBubbles? Do you expect every single one of us to come into the game and say we are civilians? I don't believe everyone has. How many games have you played with TinyBubbles?

Are you still pinged by Roxy's D1 mantra if it is asserted that she automatically takes that stance regardless of alignment in any game?

Spoiler: show

I also dig the idea of a newbie/fairly newbie being on Team Killface due to the NK - not that I don't think Eloh is an awesome player but she really isn't ever killed Night 1. It's an unusual choice. But then again, that could make a helluva WIFOM. Just thought of that. I'll keep it all in mind.

So you would concur that scum doesn't really use their BTSC much here?

HamburgerBoy, it depends on the team. Generally, I think mafia tend to utilize their BTSC here. I definitely do when I'm bad.

Spoiler: show

thoughts (such as they are)

Daisy/MP - I must keep in mind that Daisy has an excellent track record of reading MP very well. She said this looked to be his baddie game so I will be keeping that in mind moving forward. For the newbs - MP however is horrible at reading Daisy.
I could very easily vote MP. His self vote vote feels all slippery sick Sock or not.

Cookie - Kept saying she was suspicious of Timmer but *surprise* when she actually, ya know, read his posts she was no longer suspicious. I just found the whole thing to feel quite ingenuous. I could vote here.

Epi - Your entire list is of new players - except Timmer. Why? And why Timmer? Also I doubt very srsly that llama did not rand roles and put all newbs in a baddie group together. Unless you know something I don't - are we not supposed to random roles in every game we host? (maybe one or two tweaks tops?)

Gman- your insanification may very well have been Made. But it also could have been Epi or DH for the lolz. I could also see you do it to yourself. It is def not out of the realm of possibility as it could be used to help clear you from that role.

also:

's

On everyone who limits their hunt of KF to Burger Boy, SVS or me.

Roxy, is your suspicion of me based entirely on Daisy's thoughts? You seem to imply that here. However...

Spoiler: show

Any thoughts on my big post, Roxy?

Yes and thanks for doing a nice vote analysis

Gman - His vote for Epi plus his subsequent insanity makes it very easy for a baddie to hide. I could see him self-insanify for civ cred and see that as a very plausible action. I agree his 8-ball gimmick leaves a lot to be desired unlike his gif/img gimmick he can really not get his suspicions out and stated.

Made - his vote for Timmer is quite odd. He started off by saying he was in a voting Blooper kind of mood but then instead of following his own suspicion he follows who he is suspicious of and votes with Blooper against Timmer - like what? It all felt very fishy upon re-read.

MP- I have my eye for different reasons. Daisy's suspicion of him piqued my interest. She is very good at reading him so I must give her suspicion my full attention.

Bubbles - Seems extra blendy this game. Is not really standing out nor is she standing up and strongly voicing her opinions.


I could vote for any of these listed tbqh.

Here you said you have your eye on me for different reasons. Are these reasons entirely due to what Daisy brought up?

If so, is there anything I still need to address for your purpose? I think I addressed Daisy adequately, but I can't recall, and she hasn't been around to elucidate her concern.

Spoiler: show

Whether you buy it or not, it's true. And I bet it's why Epi has mentioned me barely himself.

I can buy that specific part of your story, but what I have difficulty reconciling is your vote, and the reasons for your vote. You voted MM in order to "not spread the vote", which spread the vote out. Your reason was that MM voted for LC for "doing something he does every game." And that he ignored Roxy's questions.

The thing there is that this is the sort of play MM does every game (every game I can remember anyway). So your reasoning behind your vote breaks down pretty easily from the jump.

1) You expressed a desire not to spread the vote, but did anyway.

2) You voted for MM for doing what he does every single game, with the reason being in part "He voted for LC for doing something he does every single game."

It's hard to ignore those discrepancies. You also brought MP/Epi up multiple times, which doesn't mesh with your "I wanted to ignore them completely" story. You brought it up, you brought attention to it, why not just let it go?

DharmaHelper, I am intrigued. Do you still find S~V~S suspicious? If so, how much?

I have a notoriously hard time reading her, as many know, so I'm particularly curious. GTH I've been reading her civilian.

Spoiler: show

So then you think S~V~S was complicit in or even responsible for the death of Elohcin?

That's another hard sell. I don't see a BTSC-Active SVS allowing an Eloh kill, but getting into the rabbit hole of "Would SVS be complicit in an Eloh kill" doesn't make sense to me. Maybe she would, maybe she wouldn't, maybe she would just because we don't think she would, maybe she had no say, maybe this maybe that.

I wasn't selling. I was asking.

Now I'll sell you something: I'm good.

Granting that, who would kill Elohcin instead of me Day 1?

That's an impossible question. I'd do it, Just about any combination of players would.

You would, and just about any combination of players would?

That's...a useless answer.

I would have killed Eloh one time had I gotten the power to do so, and that was only because she signed up to play a game to get it rolling. Instead I tried to lynch her and ended up dying myself. Super.

Outside of that anomaly, I leave her alone. I like her to have fun.

Long Con said he wouldn't kill her Night 1. I believe him on that.

"Who killed Elohcin?" is the central question, because this has never happened before on Night 1.

That's a fun mystery for me to solve.

Epignosis, I believe you here. I don't think you'd kill Elo N1. I find your new player theory intriguing... but as DH noted, this is a WIFOM-loaded question, so it's difficult to discern. I suppose it's worth keeping in mind though.

Spoiler: show

I can honestly say I'm torn right know on who to vote for. My top choice would have to be Saber, I'm trusting my gut that he is mafia and someof his posts have seemed odd. I can also see the argument that he is killerface.
depending on today's results I could see myself going after Mac's Mom, he hasn't posted much of value, but I want to see how Saber flips before going after Mac.

sig, how have Saber's posts seemed odd?

Given Cookie's mafia flip, how do you feel about Mac's Mom?

Spoiler: show

nijuukyugou is the person that looks the most suspicious to me right now, so I'm voting for her. The cases on Timmer and Cookie seem like the easier way out for now, and she's a player that hasn't been registering so much which (in absence of meta reads on most participants in this game) automatically looks suspicious. I do think the stuff regarding Cookie's meta between Epi and Dharma could have been telling, but I feel a little out of it to say for sure. Just posting the first 5 posts Cookie made isn't necessarily a good representation of a case, but since she's apparently on her second game here that always makes things difficult to read. On RYM we did just have a new player that showed a significant change from his first town game to his second scum game, so it will be something I'll be watching for in the future. I was with Made when he expressed frustration over a few of the arguments Epi has made that I disagree with as well, but I think I'm seeing the strategy to them.

HamburgerBoy, can you elaborate on your nijuu/Blooper read here?

Spoiler: show

Roxy.

She likes new players and I think Cookie would appeal to her.

The "I will vote for anyone voting new players" angle (which Roxy does take regularly) turned into voting MetalMarsh89 for 3 votes when Cookie had 2 ("I broke the tie!"). She could have broken the Cookie Day 1. She didn't because of dogma.

The refusal to vote new players despite evidence is dogma, Roxy. Dogma.

She cast a wide net Day 2 ("I could vote any of these people") and ended up voting Cookie after I tipped the scales.

I feel confident Roxy is bad.

While I would love it if she were since she won't drop the thing I am really embarrassed and don't want to talk about, I honestly don;t think she is. She has a certain waspishness about her when she is bad that I am not seeing here.

You're not seeing how waspish Roxy has been?

What exactly is waspish? Sounds disgusting tbh

When you're bad, you have a certain quality to your posts, at least as I read them. A mocking tone, that real Roxy does not have, and that civ Roxy does not have. I read you almost totally on tone most games. I am not seeing that here at all. This is not a judgment on you, just on your bad game as I see it. You're more direct when you're a civ, which IS what i am seeing here.

S~V~S, can you elaborate upon this, by chance? You are seeing a different Roxy than I am, since I find myself (gasp) in agreement with Epi that she's not looking too great. Since I consider you to generally read her well, I'm curious what it is exactly that you find civilian about her in this game. What do you mean by a mocking tone?

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

2) General Observations and Questions for Everyone

Spoiler: show

Ok, hi
So re the tangible argument against me. My post against niji was a joke. I never actually suspected bloop, just funny banter that apparently I can't get away with.

My post that replys to her suspicion to timmer was in support of her theory.

Honestly I'm kinda pissed that Epi and dh are able to get away with such bs reasonings for their vote with out anyone batting an eye because it's their meta. It's kinda bullshit and if I get voted before they do I'll will bring the salt.

Also gman's 8ball thing did(and does ) annoy me too because when we go back to day 1 5,6 days from now, we will literally have nothing on him. Do these make them bad? No. But it does make it hard to attack with out being shaken off with an "try again later" or an "nightwing suxs"
/rant


Gonna check spreadsheet for something really fast then vote probably.

How does everyone read this post by Made?

Seeing as though he seems to have significant heat surrounding him (from what I could tell, reading D2), I think it's worth discussing, since this is by far his most emotionally-charged post. Fake? Sincere? Why?

Spoiler: show

I have so many that I am willing to vote for today: Saberfish, MP, Cookie, Burger Boy, Made, Bubbles or DP if he does not answer my question

Linky - oooooo Now you are suspicious of Timmer------again after you said after reading back you did not find him suspicious?

Spoiler: show

Screw it I am voting Cookie - she pinged me the most - I will also add to my earlier suspicions and say she had said she was looking at Timmer or Made this lynch then made a quotey post about Timmer only and stayed mum on Made.

Roxy's progression here is notable.

Spoiler: show

So many choices. I thought there would be more votes up given that several have announced their vote in the thread, but there are only 5 total so far? Huh.

Feeling slightly, slightly better about Made regarding tone, but that could be just him fixin' it up for me Thoughts on timmer haven't changed since I last spoke of him. Then this happens:

I have so many that I am willing to vote for today: Saberfish, MP, Cookie, Burger Boy, Made, Bubbles or DP if he does not answer my question

Linky - oooooo Now you are suspicious of Timmer------again after you said after reading back you did not find him suspicious?

Yes, this caught my eye as well. Trying to look more contributory, Cookie McNasty? I pointed out these same exactly things (minus the most recent quotes) when I voted him last and you made no comment on them then.

Vote by Blooper for Cookie.

Spoiler: show

I'm voting for Cookie; them being flip-floppy about Timmer is enough for me.

Vote by Saberfish for Cookie.

These are the votes that rang most likely to be a teammate bussing Cookie, in addition to ika's unexplained (right?) vote, out of those who voted for her. Thoughts? Agree or disagree?

Spoiler: show

Roxy, could you explain your particular suspicion here?

Burger Boy (shifty vote is shifty for sure) could vote here

Why me? If anything I should be one of the least likely to be KillFace, unless you mean anyone on that team (the context of your post would indicate KillFace the fellow in particular though). By voting on someone that had one vote, my vote would have resulted in MM's lynch among several other people tied in second. It would be more logical for me to vote for someone with no votes, or vote for someone that already had two, if I were Killface.

It was your reasoning that I found shifty. It was like you put no thought or care into your vote and instead focused on keeping ties.

Spoiler: show

It was your reasoning that I found shifty. It was like you put no thought or care into your vote and instead focused on keeping ties.

That's vague, and I'd disagree. I think I had posted more about Killface and double-voting stuffs than most other players at that point. My vote post itself didn't announce that, but the few posts leading up to it clearly showed me thought process.

Spoiler: show

Cookie - Also don't lump me with Blooper I never said your posts were fluff. I did think your earlier back pedal on Timmer was of note and now instead of keeping an eye on him you are considering a vote. I have never played with you so i do not know if your flip-floppy-ness is normal

Linky - fair enough Burger Boy.

What does everyone think of this interaction between Roxy and HamburgerBoy?

THE BOX!! THE BOX!!!

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

3) MP's Rainbow Reads

Spoiler: show

MovingPictures07
DharmaHelper
Epignosis
S~V~S
sig
Spacedaisy
TinyBubbles
DisgruntledPorcupine
Mac's Mom
G-Man
ika
Made
HamburgerBoy
Saberfish
nijuukyugou
Roxy

General comments:
- Within groups, I forced myself to still rank every player, instead of listing them alphabetically.
- DH seems most genuinely civilian to me at the moment, but I've been bamboozled by him before (Misfits Mafia), so I'm still approaching him skeptically.
- Saberfish's alignment is dependent on said role claim, which I have not seen. Therefore, it is currently omitted, but my opinion of him may inevitably change if I can understand where the claim is coming from, and it makes sense to believe it.
- Roxy seems most mafia to me at the moment, largely due to her behavior, with the flip onto Cookie D2 reeking of a bus.

I'm remaining open-minded, however, and welcome any comments or requests for elaboration.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

4) So... What Are These Folks Thinking?

Also, I want to know what DisgruntledPorcupine, HamburgerBoy, ika, Mac's Mom, Saberfish, Spacedaisy, and TinyBubbles are thinking currently re: suspects ASAP. They haven't said enough regarding this.

...and I'm tired. See you folks tomorrow (well, later today).

[Made]

I swear to god, don't even bring up misfits.

[S~V~S]

Wow, that sucks. Poor Xtacles

Intriguing that the role was revealed, though. I doubt he will answer, but :

@Llama~ NK role reveals: standard, one time only or it depends?

ANd MP, when Roxy is bad, she just has a tone that is somewhat sharper. I don't want to keep reaching for euphemisms for it; it seems her feeling were already hurt by "waspish" and I don't mean this in a negative way. It's her baddie game, not her, I am talking about. It's a tell of sorts for me. As soon as i hear it I recognize it.

That aspect of her game is totally missing here. She sounds sincere, if frustrated. She could have changed her game a bit, but in my experience of her, I don't think she is a baddie.

[thellama73]

@Llama~ NK role reveals: standard, one time only or it depends?

It depends....


...on how distracted and busy I am when I make the Night post and whether I can remember what phase I'm entering.

[DharmaHelper]

I swear to god, don't even bring up misfits.

More like Mist-Fits

[DharmaHelper]

DharmaHelper, I am intrigued. Do you still find S~V~S suspicious? If so, how much?

I have a notoriously hard time reading her, as many know, so I'm particularly curious. GTH I've been reading her civilian.

Yes. Moderately so. I'm not going to stop suspecting her based on things that I have no knowledge, history, experience, or control over, and this shift in style from her is objectively suspicious

[Marmot]

It gets worse.

I say we vote out DharmaHelper now to stop this atrociousness.

Who is with me?

Humming your favorite song, you know I've hated that song for so long?

[DharmaHelper]

Well everyone's so darn talkative.

[G-Man]

Well everyone's so darn talkative.

Without a doubt

[ika]

Well everyone's so darn talkative.

Well i have been woking overtime at work so ive been sleeping late.

How are you

[Made]

Hello friends. How are we?

[G-Man]

Hello friends. How are we?

Better not tell you now

[Made]

I don't know how much I will be around tomorrow, so let's talk today no?
Yo roxy, what's up homie.
(Posting on mobile, so going to find particular post I wanted to reply to and go from there)

Also gman is still terrible, but not necessarily bad, which is annoying.

[Made]

Roxy, your attitude is the least suspect thing about your play, IMO.

That makes me feel better. it is why I have been avoiding games here and playing on 2+2

Now that dh's arugment has been clarified, anything else you want to say about how weird your vote looked? I mean it's quite normal ffor you not to vote newbies, but for me personally, the switch to voting cookie seemed a little too quick. Especially considering there was still an hour or so left in the poll, it's as if you wanted to vote cookie early because you knew she was going to flip bad.

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

Wow, that sucks. Poor Xtacles

Intriguing that the role was revealed, though. I doubt he will answer, but :

@Llama~ NK role reveals: standard, one time only or it depends?

ANd MP, when Roxy is bad, she just has a tone that is somewhat sharper. I don't want to keep reaching for euphemisms for it; it seems her feeling were already hurt by "waspish" and I don't mean this in a negative way. It's her baddie game, not her, I am talking about. It's a tell of sorts for me. As soon as i hear it I recognize it.

That aspect of her game is totally missing here. She sounds sincere, if frustrated. She could have changed her game a bit, but in my experience of her, I don't think she is a baddie.

Spoiler: show

DharmaHelper, I am intrigued. Do you still find S~V~S suspicious? If so, how much?

I have a notoriously hard time reading her, as many know, so I'm particularly curious. GTH I've been reading her civilian.

Yes. Moderately so. I'm not going to stop suspecting her based on things that I have no knowledge, history, experience, or control over, and this shift in style from her is objectively suspicious

Noted, thanks, DH and S~V~S!

Interestingly, my read of Roxy is currently heavily dependent on her behavior. I don't really have any opinion of her tone. So I'll keep that in mind. Likewise, my read of S~V~S is heavily dependent on tone. I'm not sure what to make of her more cautious approach, but I hesitate to see it as a mafia perspective, since S~V~S could have easily took advantage of me or Epi in order to get us lynched. I don't know. She seems more cautious and less opportunistic to me, DH, if that makes sense?

Well everyone's so darn talkative.

I know, right? What's the deal?

Like Made, I won't have much time tomorrow, but I suppose I can hold my vote until then and vote sometime when I'm in Cincinnati. Still would like to get people's thoughts/opinions though.