The Syndicate

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:11 pm Nah, it's all good, G-Man. Even without the AtE, I don't know how I would've found you.

The lesson is to always blindly follow everything I do, and eventually in a fit of paranoia, I'll get the right answer.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:01 pm well this surely was a game

sorry boo

Meh. I was playing badly during most of the game anyways, I'll own that. The game you and I were in on MU I was mafia, so that wound up taking a lot more of my focus because that's my preference. Plus nutella coming back town after she was shot made me pretty sure I wouldn't call anything right all game, so I just kinda stopped putting in the effort...

And somehow you still shot Nanook. That one I still don't understand. But now that I know you're both town, I think we can all agree we'll blame Jack more then you. :P

I no longer trust Gman. The amount of work he's now putting in has me worried he's trying to shore up getting people to vote for him and it's actually him and Wilgy.

I'm gonna go ahead and [VOTE: Jack] aubergine, cause if I've been wrong all game (and so far, that holds up), it clears him. Then he can either lose the town the game and shoot me (which admittedly, with how we've played, is deserved), or shoot Wilgy or something. I don't know. It doesn't matter. I can do no right, so fuck all of you!

I am done with this.

[VOTE: G-man] aubergine

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 11:07 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 11:06 pm And the thing you don't realize is that I did reevaluate time and time again last dayphase, and now I'm back here again, with the conclusion that you and Wilgy are mafia.

At one point, I -WAS- saying that Jack could be mafia. I think I was also one of the people that said that Nanook could be mafia, too. So, like, I don't see how you can say that I'm not reevaluating?

Okay, and then who got shot?

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:59 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:53 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:49 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:49 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:45 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:41 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:37 pm

Nanook didn't indicate whether he'd shoot me or not though. In fact, he specifically said he wasn't going to say who he was going to shoot. Why would FG believe I was the most likely to get shot?

Again, I still don't see how this line of thinking is relevant to her alignment.

Either way, she'd think you were an option because, again, you had the most people in favour of shooting you.

You were one of the people in favor of shooting me -- after using my own argument for calling Nutella scum D1, even, and not even thinking I was town when I was making that argument.

In other words, it has nothing to do with her alignment, you still think I'm mafia for not trusting you.

No, I can quote where I started townreading her, too, if you want. Gimme a moment.

Again, relevance?

You're confirmed town and this is still how you're playing? Like... dude. Come ON. This is just painful.

I just gave you arguments for why I think Jack and Funny are town, and this is what you have to say?

Those aren't arguments. Those are you playing a terrible game and doubling down on it, instead of taking the opportunity to re-evaluate how you've been thinking up until this point.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:55 pm So, does that progression on me, from strong scumread to instant townread after reading my ISO, comes more likely from scum!Funny, or town!Funny?

Are you seriously asking if an instant TR that is based on... absolutely nothing at the time it's made... is more likely to be town or mafia... and then somehow still getting the answer wrong?

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:49 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:49 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:45 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:41 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:37 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:34 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:30 pm
No, on N2. The night Dragomir got shot instead of me.

How's it relevant then? She was taking herself out of the field of people who wanted you shot because she thought Nanook would shoot you, then?

Nanook didn't indicate whether he'd shoot me or not though. In fact, he specifically said he wasn't going to say who he was going to shoot. Why would FG believe I was the most likely to get shot?

Again, I still don't see how this line of thinking is relevant to her alignment.

Either way, she'd think you were an option because, again, you had the most people in favour of shooting you.

You were one of the people in favor of shooting me -- after using my own argument for calling Nutella scum D1, even, and not even thinking I was town when I was making that argument.

In other words, it has nothing to do with her alignment, you still think I'm mafia for not trusting you.

No, I can quote where I started townreading her, too, if you want. Gimme a moment.

Again, relevance?

You're confirmed town and this is still how you're playing? Like... dude. Come ON. This is just painful.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:45 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:41 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:37 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:34 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:30 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:28 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:25 pm Anyway, Boo. Can you explain to me why Funny would just spontaneously re-evalute me and conclude I'm town on the same night that five people want me to get shot, if she was mafia?

This happened when she had the gun, shot Nanook, and you got poisoned, correct?

No, on N2. The night Dragomir got shot instead of me.

How's it relevant then? She was taking herself out of the field of people who wanted you shot because she thought Nanook would shoot you, then?

Nanook didn't indicate whether he'd shoot me or not though. In fact, he specifically said he wasn't going to say who he was going to shoot. Why would FG believe I was the most likely to get shot?

Again, I still don't see how this line of thinking is relevant to her alignment.

Either way, she'd think you were an option because, again, you had the most people in favour of shooting you.

You were one of the people in favor of shooting me -- after using my own argument for calling Nutella scum D1, even, and not even thinking I was town when I was making that argument.

In other words, it has nothing to do with her alignment, you still think I'm mafia for not trusting you.

You're also stuck on her way more then I am. I want Jack shot. I think she's the third because she shot Nanook, which was insane, and that's all I'm basing it on. I haven't given G-man or Wilgy a whole lot of thought for how they could connect though.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:38 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 5:45 pm There were also three people that listed Jack as a first or second shot option (Boo, FG, Mac). Two apiece for Boo (Hyena, Jack) and FG (Drago, Jack).

Also, do you think both Drago and Jack push Nanook to shoot FG if all three of Drago, Jack, and FG are mafia?

Yes, it's a possibility.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:37 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:34 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:30 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:28 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:25 pm Anyway, Boo. Can you explain to me why Funny would just spontaneously re-evalute me and conclude I'm town on the same night that five people want me to get shot, if she was mafia?

This happened when she had the gun, shot Nanook, and you got poisoned, correct?

No, on N2. The night Dragomir got shot instead of me.

How's it relevant then? She was taking herself out of the field of people who wanted you shot because she thought Nanook would shoot you, then?

Nanook didn't indicate whether he'd shoot me or not though. In fact, he specifically said he wasn't going to say who he was going to shoot. Why would FG believe I was the most likely to get shot?

Again, I still don't see how this line of thinking is relevant to her alignment.

Either way, she'd think you were an option because, again, you had the most people in favour of shooting you.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:30 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:28 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:25 pm Anyway, Boo. Can you explain to me why Funny would just spontaneously re-evalute me and conclude I'm town on the same night that five people want me to get shot, if she was mafia?

This happened when she had the gun, shot Nanook, and you got poisoned, correct?

No, on N2. The night Dragomir got shot instead of me.

How's it relevant then? She was taking herself out of the field of people who wanted you shot because she thought Nanook would shoot you, then?

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:25 pm Anyway, Boo. Can you explain to me why Funny would just spontaneously re-evalute me and conclude I'm town on the same night that five people want me to get shot, if she was mafia?

This happened when she had the gun, shot Nanook, and you got poisoned, correct?

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:16 pm I might give Jack the gun actually, Boo.

That'd be about on par with how the town has played this game, so I'm not sure why I'd expect anything else.

The real question is wtf anyone still thought shooting Nanook was a good idea.

Jack & FG are the mafia.

Hi. Haven't read in days. Classes started this week and moving in a couple weeks so just haven't had time. Will read what I've missed tonight once the day starts if I'm alive.

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:17 pm

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:16 pm

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:11 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:08 pm

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:00 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:58 am I strongly do not want Johann to have the gun

Because i will shoot the person most here decide on?

I have little faith in your alignment and zero in your judgment

My judgement is literally what we as town decide?

Whose judgement would be deciding who the town is though?

Rule of majority

Right. So the people who vote for the gun-holder in the first place, essentially. Seeing the issue yet?

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:11 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:08 pm

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:00 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:58 am I strongly do not want Johann to have the gun

Because i will shoot the person most here decide on?

I have little faith in your alignment and zero in your judgment

My judgement is literally what we as town decide?

Whose judgement would be deciding who the town is though?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:06 pm

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:04 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:01 pm Okay maybe it's not Boo.

@Boo what if it's Jack and Wilgy? Does that make sense to you?

This is you looking for a way out. Next, please.

Reaction test failed. You're lock scum.

This one is also boring. Any more?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:02 pm Boo is right that if I am wolf I've got no way out here btw. It's one of the reasons I'm not a wolf lol.

Oh cool. I'm still town like I was in my rolecard because, *checks notes*, the sun came up this morning.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:01 pm Okay maybe it's not Boo.

@Boo what if it's Jack and Wilgy? Does that make sense to you?

This is you looking for a way out. Next, please.

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:42 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:39 am

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:33 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:25 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am @G-Man Jack and Mac are running a divide and conquer gambit. It's playing off of Johann's total distrust of me, your and Wilgy's general not keeping up, FGs regularly going all over the place as she tries to make up her mind, and my ability to generally alienate other town. I'm not really sure how they're fitting in Hyena.

If you trust your gut, (currently) vote for me, along with me and Nanook. We may need to shift the vote over to FG later in the day, bit that's where things currently stand.

In case you get the gun.
Who dies?

TBD. Nanook had a list somewhere, someone in it. I'd like to think Mac and Jack are teammates, but it seems a bit too easy. I think it's probably only actually one of them, and the other is playing the other.

I can see Mac as scum more than Jack
Sell me that pitch by your words and not nanooks

I'm not really invested in you voting with me. Whichever one of them hatched this scheme doesn't expect you to be on my side of this, and even then, I still see being able to get the numbers to burn them on what they did here. So if you're more open-minded then they thought, it's still easier for me to show you that it's worth risking trusting me through my interactions with other people, not directly with you. You don't trust me. Fair enough. I've given you reason not to. So you're to tunneled on me to not be able to find a way to doubt anything I can tell you. If you have more specific questions I can try and help you get there that way, but I'm not going to be able to sell you on trusting me in the way you're asking here.

Listen here.

Those 2 have no influence on me what so ever, no one in this game does. I don't know any of you besides Dragomir. You maybe are my prime shot but i am not an idiot that will close them self in the shell and donkey it.

I am asking you a simple question. As someone who sees part of dougal that's scummy - why do YOU wanna kill him

The same reason anyone wants to kill anyone in mafia (well. usually, at least), I believe it's part of my win condition. I can see what Mac is trying to do here, but I think he misplayed, is mafia, and does not have the numbers to make his plan work. It could be close, but it's increasingly looking like it won't be. He's even lost you. Maybe not fully, but enough.

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:33 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:25 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am @G-Man Jack and Mac are running a divide and conquer gambit. It's playing off of Johann's total distrust of me, your and Wilgy's general not keeping up, FGs regularly going all over the place as she tries to make up her mind, and my ability to generally alienate other town. I'm not really sure how they're fitting in Hyena.

If you trust your gut, (currently) vote for me, along with me and Nanook. We may need to shift the vote over to FG later in the day, bit that's where things currently stand.

In case you get the gun.
Who dies?

TBD. Nanook had a list somewhere, someone in it. I'd like to think Mac and Jack are teammates, but it seems a bit too easy. I think it's probably only actually one of them, and the other is playing the other.

I can see Mac as scum more than Jack
Sell me that pitch by your words and not nanooks

I'm not really invested in you voting with me. Whichever one of them hatched this scheme doesn't expect you to be on my side of this, and even then, I still see being able to get the numbers to burn them on what they did here. So if you're more open-minded then they thought, it's still easier for me to show you that it's worth risking trusting me through my interactions with other people, not directly with you. You don't trust me. Fair enough. I've given you reason not to. So you're to tunneled on me to not be able to find a way to doubt anything I can tell you. If you have more specific questions I can try and help you get there that way, but I'm not going to be able to sell you on trusting me in the way you're asking here.

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:25 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am @G-Man Jack and Mac are running a divide and conquer gambit. It's playing off of Johann's total distrust of me, your and Wilgy's general not keeping up, FGs regularly going all over the place as she tries to make up her mind, and my ability to generally alienate other town. I'm not really sure how they're fitting in Hyena.

If you trust your gut, (currently) vote for me, along with me and Nanook. We may need to shift the vote over to FG later in the day, bit that's where things currently stand.

In case you get the gun.
Who dies?

TBD. Nanook had a list somewhere, someone in it. I'd like to think Mac and Jack are teammates, but it seems a bit too easy. I think it's probably only actually one of them, and the other is playing the other.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:21 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:42 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:38 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:16 am Probably jack, it’s hard to tell though tbh

I don't think it actually matters, they both look mafia. It's like they got drunk in mafia chat together and decided to start incessantly shit-posting. They're bouncing all over the place and most of it is confirmed BS.

The only confusing thing about this to me is I don't see them having the numbers to actually make this work if they're both mafia. They'd have to be assuming some horrible town plays from here on out.

FG has said she'll listen to you and Sloonei, IIRC, for who to shoot. So give it to her if voters on her don't want me to have it, or her voters can move to me and I'll shoot one of them.

Giving it to Jack is a trap, just not a good one. He'd probably shoot me. But that still doesn't matter. They shoot me, I reveal town, they posion Nanook, and at that point I their hope is the town just crumbles? Screw up and give the gun to Mac again and they shoot Wilgy or FG?

If Jack is my partner and gets the gun he shoots me and rides the cred home frankly.

But anyway you're a good boy. I like you.

Jack is way to egotistical for that.

What are you even arguing against? Like you don't want me to get the gun because if it's me and Mac....I won't shoot Mac because I'm too egotistical?

Who the fuck cares? You're not talking strategy. You're not giving reads. You're just being dickish. All game. I don't get it.

U mad?

[mention]G-Man[/mention] Jack and Mac are running a divide and conquer gambit. It's playing off of Johann's total distrust of me, your and Wilgy's general not keeping up, FGs regularly going all over the place as she tries to make up her mind, and my ability to generally alienate other town. I'm not really sure how they're fitting in Hyena.

If you trust your gut, (currently) vote for me, along with me and Nanook. We may need to shift the vote over to FG later in the day, bit that's where things currently stand.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:42 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:38 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:16 am Probably jack, it’s hard to tell though tbh

I don't think it actually matters, they both look mafia. It's like they got drunk in mafia chat together and decided to start incessantly shit-posting. They're bouncing all over the place and most of it is confirmed BS.

The only confusing thing about this to me is I don't see them having the numbers to actually make this work if they're both mafia. They'd have to be assuming some horrible town plays from here on out.

FG has said she'll listen to you and Sloonei, IIRC, for who to shoot. So give it to her if voters on her don't want me to have it, or her voters can move to me and I'll shoot one of them.

Giving it to Jack is a trap, just not a good one. He'd probably shoot me. But that still doesn't matter. They shoot me, I reveal town, they posion Nanook, and at that point I their hope is the town just crumbles? Screw up and give the gun to Mac again and they shoot Wilgy or FG?

If Jack is my partner and gets the gun he shoots me and rides the cred home frankly.

But anyway you're a good boy. I like you.

Jack is way to egotistical for that.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:16 am Probably jack, it’s hard to tell though tbh

I don't think it actually matters, they both look mafia. It's like they got drunk in mafia chat together and decided to start incessantly shit-posting. They're bouncing all over the place and most of it is confirmed BS.

The only confusing thing about this to me is I don't see them having the numbers to actually make this work if they're both mafia. They'd have to be assuming some horrible town plays from here on out.

FG has said she'll listen to you and Sloonei, IIRC, for who to shoot. So give it to her if voters on her don't want me to have it, or her voters can move to me and I'll shoot one of them.

Giving it to Jack is a trap, just not a good one. He'd probably shoot me. But that still doesn't matter. They shoot me, I reveal town, they posion Nanook, and at that point I their hope is the town just crumbles? Screw up and give the gun to Mac again and they shoot Wilgy or FG?

[VOTE: boo] aubergine

Mac or Jack

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 7:52 pm Ok that was serious bs from Jack.

You'll have to be waaaaaaaay more specific.

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine, to start.

From Drago's ISO, I think there's 1 mafia between Mac & Hyena.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 10:03 pm Cocky theory time: Sloonei being poisoned suggests at least one syndicate regular is mafia.

Isn't drago?

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]

Kill 2:
Jack & Hyena

Don't kill:
FG & Mac

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:11 am Boo, did you turn on me because I lowered you to null and raised Jack up to null with you? :P Also, did you think the argument that I originally made about Nutella (that you pushed alongside me), where I said that scum might not want the gun and might not want to be responsible for shooting town, was towny?

Turning on you would imply we were ever on a team. I found you suspicious at points during d1, but not enough to not push you above other people. N1 that changed some, d2 that changed a lot. The weakest part of my town game is not adjusting reads enough as I go (or being so aware of that I go all over the place because I trust none of my reads). I'm fairly satisfied with how I handled my Nutella suspicion this game. I was wrong, but such is life. I think I'm approaching you right. I failed at my approach to Jack in a few ways. Regrouping on that front and if Nanook doesn't decide to shoot him I'll look at it again d3.

Doing Towny things doesn't inherently make someone town.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 10:49 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 10:46 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 10:39 pm Hell yeah I have, thank you all for not breaking my achy breaky heart.

My current pool is Hyena/Mac/Jack/technically boo cause he won’t play the game, ama

Why why why and why?

alternatively, why not x5ish?

x5ish? What?

He's asking why you're excluding the people you're excluding from your current pool.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 6:38 pm Speaking of which, I’m gonna take a nap, I better wake up with a gun

Also tommy if you’re around again before EOD leave me your most confident reads whatever they are

Who is tommy?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:49 pm Y'all vote for me. I'll talk about killing Jack or Johann but will probably submit a kill on Hyena.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

This is a vote for a dead Hyena.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:59 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:53 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:49 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:13 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:05 pm Yeah, I uh...I’m generally fine with fairly opaque reads, but “it only serves to tell others how I’m linking you” seems like...kinda the point?

The only people it helps, rn, are them, if I am right, so that they can avoid doing it further. It isn't relevant outside of that, because both of them cannot die in one go. The order matters, so it's not as if I'm depriving everyone else of the second read. And if things shift and I think I'm likely to be shot, I can say it overnight so it's out there. If the mafia want to target me over it, it doesn't matter, I'd still have an entire day after that.

So as it stands, it is not time sensitive.

I mean I didn’t really want to but I can restate it in more threatening terms if that’s what it takes

You can't do what it would take, but go for it and find that out the hard way if it's whatcha you wanna do. And then be wrong and that much worse off for it.

I mean I will shoot you if it comes to it, you’re not my first choice but if you won’t play the game I’m not gonna hesitate or feel bad about it if you flip town

I am playing the game. Keeping a Point B that is based on Point A being true close to my chest, especially when Point B is outside of that unimportant, is called having a filter. I know with how much wordvomit a lot of people like to partake in, that may be a difficult concept for some to grasp, but I don't really care. If you're town and want to and kill me, go for it. I don't feel bad about you killing me for a stupid reason, whether you'd feel bad about it or not.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:49 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:13 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:05 pm Yeah, I uh...I’m generally fine with fairly opaque reads, but “it only serves to tell others how I’m linking you” seems like...kinda the point?

The only people it helps, rn, are them, if I am right, so that they can avoid doing it further. It isn't relevant outside of that, because both of them cannot die in one go. The order matters, so it's not as if I'm depriving everyone else of the second read. And if things shift and I think I'm likely to be shot, I can say it overnight so it's out there. If the mafia want to target me over it, it doesn't matter, I'd still have an entire day after that.

So as it stands, it is not time sensitive.

I mean I didn’t really want to but I can restate it in more threatening terms if that’s what it takes

You can't do what it would take, but go for it and find that out the hard way if it's whatcha you wanna do. And then be wrong and that much worse off for it.

Meh, it seems like Sloonei is taking this where it needs to go. I'll let him do the build up of it.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:23 pm you never placed me on your rainbow, hyena.

I really fucked up then, because I forgot to place one other person, too.

I'd place you in town leans, though. I think Nanook and Mac were both in that tier.

Didn't Sloonei's line of questioning here start because you suspected him?

You're also either acting like or genuinely still are in the headspace of a normal game with normal lynches. That isn't this game, so I'm not sure why you're refusing to play outside of that mindset. That's especially weird to me considering the town has, based on what we've seen so far, eschewed even playing in a way that would resemble having a lynch.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:17 pm Like, wolves who use actual reasons can't get me mislynched.

You're up here refusing to give reads. How do you think that's going to work out?

You weren't asking questions related to my read on you.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:17 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:15 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:06 pm Half of me is like "Blast Boo. He's stupidly obviously bad" and half of me is like "The man says he doesn't believe in the concept of townreads. Of course he's not going to be helpful at all. Of course he's not going to explain his reads."

If I believe option number two, that doesn't actually help me know what to do with him and if we ignore all that, he's still pushed for the death of two one townies with certainty.

FTFY

I'd ask if you were gonna change it back after I flip town but I have no intention of dying today.

I mean, I doubt anyone is, seeing as that isn't how this game works.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:06 pm Half of me is like "Blast Boo. He's stupidly obviously bad" and half of me is like "The man says he doesn't believe in the concept of townreads. Of course he's not going to be helpful at all. Of course he's not going to explain his reads."

If I believe option number two, that doesn't actually help me know what to do with him and if we ignore all that, he's still pushed for the death of two one townies with certainty.

FTFY

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:05 pm Yeah, I uh...I’m generally fine with fairly opaque reads, but “it only serves to tell others how I’m linking you” seems like...kinda the point?

The only people it helps, rn, are them, if I am right, so that they can avoid doing it further. It isn't relevant outside of that, because both of them cannot die in one go. The order matters, so it's not as if I'm depriving everyone else of the second read. And if things shift and I think I'm likely to be shot, I can say it overnight so it's out there. If the mafia want to target me over it, it doesn't matter, I'd still have an entire day after that.

So as it stands, it is not time sensitive.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:30 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:02 pm I've already explained I'm not interested in connecting dots from you to Johann yet.

That's great but as a townie, how the heck am I supposed to tell if that's a real thought or something that you made up if you're not interested in talking about it?

Snipping the rest of a quote when that gives it more context is bad practice, so:

I don't want Johann shot, I want you shot. The legwork there is already done, it means if you are shot and reveal as mafia, I'm saying people should look at Johann. If you're shot and reveal as town, what I have to say about Johann isn't relevant. In the meantime, saying anything else about it only serves to tell you and everyone else how exactly I'm linking the two you. The specifics are mine and in this setup there's no reason to share them, so I'm not playing them until I want to.

Asked, answered, asked again, answered more in depth, asked again (but pretending like the second answer didn't go more in depth), literally the same answer.

To save some time, if you want to do this twirl again: just read back to the first time it was asked and then read everything up to this post. Rinse and repeat as needed.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:16 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:13 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:12 pm

Johann wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:03 pm What i find interesting is that i am scum to hyena and boo but neither made a case why

I'm not interested in advocating your getting shot yet. Jack would need to go first. The result of that would tie in to you.

Tell me what a town or scum flip on me does for you on Johann.

@boo

And while you're at it, why did you think Mac should have shot me yesterday? I didn't see you voice any suspicion of me until after Mac shot Nutella.

I've already explained I'm not interested in connecting dots from you to Johann yet. I don't want Johann shot, I want you shot. The legwork there is already done, it means if you are shot and reveal as mafia, I'm saying people should look at Johann. If you're shot and reveal as town, what I have to say about Johann isn't relevant. In the meantime, saying anything else about it only serves to tell you and everyone else how exactly I'm linking the two you. The specifics are mine and in this setup there's no reason to share them, so I'm not playing them until I want to.

I think he was right to look into your direction and what he had to say about why you were a consideration holds up. Correct, I wasn't around for much of the night (only the beginning), so he had started mentioning you as a consideration but hadn't gotten into all of it. I was ambivalent about what I saw, if he wanted to shoot you that was his choice, and he knew my thoughts on how he should use it (nutella). I had nothing more to contribute. Had I come in before the night ended, I dunno. I was still happy with the nutella shot right up until I read the result. Now I know Mac and I, along with everyone else who thought it made sense to shoot nutella, were wrong. I don't blame nutella for getting shot, but I don't feel at all wrong for suspecting her and I don't think Mac was wrong to shoot her. Could Mac be bad and did it laughing, and everything else is nonsense? Maybe. And maybe he'll get caught and shot. From everyone except for my own and the mafia's perspective, could I be mafia? Sure. But I know I'm not, the mafia team knows I'm not, and everyone else... meh. I'll play the game and try and help the town, but I know my town game isn't as strong as my mafia game, so I don't expect to be some core towny who solves the game. But not trying is lame, so I'm still gonna play. And right now, that means trying to get you shot.