Corrupt!? Mafia (ENDGAME)

[MacDougall]

Boo is right that if I am wolf I've got no way out here btw. It's one of the reasons I'm not a wolf lol.

[MacDougall]

Ah phooey phone gonna die. Not coming back til I've slept. Goodnight.

[Johann]

I have this uneasy feeling townie will die tonight no matter who gets the gun

[boo]

Okay maybe it's not Boo.

@Boo what if it's Jack and Wilgy? Does that make sense to you?

This is you looking for a way out. Next, please.

[boo]

Boo is right that if I am wolf I've got no way out here btw. It's one of the reasons I'm not a wolf lol.

Oh cool. I'm still town like I was in my rolecard because, *checks notes*, the sun came up this morning.

[MacDougall]

Okay maybe it's not Boo.

@Boo what if it's Jack and Wilgy? Does that make sense to you?

This is you looking for a way out. Next, please.

Reaction test failed. You're lock scum.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Let's make this more like regular mafia such that it makes sense.

A vote for me is a vote to kill Wilgy.

A vote for Johann is a vote to kill Boo.

A vote for Boo is a vote to kill me.

Something like that.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I strongly do not want Johann to have the gun

Because i will shoot the person most here decide on?

I have little faith in your alignment and zero in your judgment

[boo]

Okay maybe it's not Boo.

@Boo what if it's Jack and Wilgy? Does that make sense to you?

This is you looking for a way out. Next, please.

Reaction test failed. You're lock scum.

This one is also boring. Any more?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Locking shots in during the day is fairly suboptimal imo, let’s not do that

[Johann]

Dougall - Wanna shot him bcs inconsistency and hypocrisy. Has players on a standard he himself can't reach and there is just something generally off

Boo - Just smells bad but i feel like he is too easy and if shit is easy then it aint right

FG - TR someone based on something everyone knew and nothing else

These 3 are the ones i am most comfy shooting this night
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Hyena - already said my piece but he raised a good point against boo

Jack - I don't like his high ground behavior. Like - IF YOU SHOOT ME YOU SCUM -

Wilgy - Bcs inactivity - other than that nothing

3 i would shoot under certai
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Nannook - If i am left in 2v1 with him and another person i am shooting him

[Johann]

I strongly do not want Johann to have the gun

Because i will shoot the person most here decide on?

I have little faith in your alignment and zero in your judgment

My judgement is literally what we as town decide?

[boo]

I strongly do not want Johann to have the gun

Because i will shoot the person most here decide on?

I have little faith in your alignment and zero in your judgment

My judgement is literally what we as town decide?

Whose judgement would be deciding who the town is though?

[Johann]

I strongly do not want Johann to have the gun

Because i will shoot the person most here decide on?

I have little faith in your alignment and zero in your judgment

My judgement is literally what we as town decide?

Whose judgement would be deciding who the town is though?

Rule of majority

[Johann]

Nanook who would you shoot?

[Johann]

At this point i shouldn't ask myself reason to shoot but rather reasons not to shoot

[boo]

I strongly do not want Johann to have the gun

Because i will shoot the person most here decide on?

I have little faith in your alignment and zero in your judgment

My judgement is literally what we as town decide?

Whose judgement would be deciding who the town is though?

Rule of majority

Right. So the people who vote for the gun-holder in the first place, essentially. Seeing the issue yet?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook who would you shoot?

I’d give the gun to boo and let him shoot tbh

[Johann]

I strongly do not want Johann to have the gun

Because i will shoot the person most here decide on?

I have little faith in your alignment and zero in your judgment

My judgement is literally what we as town decide?

Whose judgement would be deciding who the town is though?

Rule of majority

Right. So the people who vote for the gun-holder in the first place, essentially. Seeing the issue yet?

Uhm no, i know that not everyone wants me to have the gun and i won't take people that vote for me to be absolute town.
But in general in this thread it is obv you are prime suspect for most. Followed by jack i think

[Johann]

Nanook who would you shoot?

I’d give the gun to boo and let him shoot tbh

I asked you who would you shoot if you had the gun

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m case it isn’t clear, I like people to take responsibility for their shots rather than hiding behind “I’m just doing what the masses want!”

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook who would you shoot?

I’d give the gun to boo and let him shoot tbh

I asked you who would you shoot if you had the gun

Fine, I’ll rephrase it, I’d shoot whomever boo told me to shoot because this question is stupid and I’m trolling

[Johann]

Nanook who would you shoot?

I’d give the gun to boo and let him shoot tbh

I asked you who would you shoot if you had the gun

Fine, I’ll rephrase it, I’d shoot whomever boo told me to shoot because this question is stupid and I’m trolling

Well then i can say this then

Fuck off this phase from me

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook who would you shoot?

I’d give the gun to boo and let him shoot tbh

I asked you who would you shoot if you had the gun

Fine, I’ll rephrase it, I’d shoot whomever boo told me to shoot because this question is stupid and I’m trolling

Well then i can say this then

Fuck off this phase from me

That’s pretty rude

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Especially since I’ve been shielding you all game lmao

[Johann]

Nanook who would you shoot?

I’d give the gun to boo and let him shoot tbh

I asked you who would you shoot if you had the gun

Fine, I’ll rephrase it, I’d shoot whomever boo told me to shoot because this question is stupid and I’m trolling

Well then i can say this then

Fuck off this phase from me

That’s pretty rude

If you don't wanna be helpful when i ask a question to sort stuff out then you can freely fuck off and throw that at someone else. I will say it like it is. If you wanna troll then troll, i have a freedom to say what i want then

[Johann]

Think what you want about how i play or i do but i won't work with someone that acts like a dick when asked for an opinion

[Johann]

I am ignoring you until EOD

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean now you’re just being a dick. I’ve made it very clear that I don’t think locking in shots before night starts is good, I didn’t do it yesterday when I was clearly getting the gun so idk why you’d think I’d do it today

Ask a stupid question get a stupid answer basically.

Also be nicer, that’s very uncalled for.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If you’re town it’s just being a prick for no real reason (cause I don’t wanna answer your question? Seriously?), especially when I’ve carried you so far.

I guess if you’re scum I have made your team’s life harder so that’s whatever, even then though I’ve been pretty good to you specifically, what with hard shielding you and everything.

[MacDougall]

Can't sleep. Boo literally outed. He has no reason to have me lock wolf to the degree if dismissing off hand my offering up a Wilgy/Jack world. Especially in his vulnerable position as town he would have nowhere near the level of steadfastedness in his reads. Look around him we're all flailing and calling each other names and he's just straight as an arrow refused my olive branch. He literally outed and spewed both of them town in the process. I wasn't messing around. That was literally a reaction test and his reaction was the exact scummiest.

Also Nanook you are doing that thing you do in games where you don't realise you're being too obnoxious and Johann don't overreact at Nanook he's a cool guy that walks a fine line between troll and actually being a prick. Much like me. I think you're both town. Work together.

I've done all I can to make it obvious Boo is a wolf and I am town and in the process have solved pretty much everyone else. I was rolling around in bed and sort of started to go back to Hyena as a possible partner but Dragomir/Hyena had some pretty not w/w interactions. I'll need to work out whether Hyena has demonstrated the gamesolving desire required to be town among this lot cuz a lot of people are hard downsizing here.

[MacDougall]

Downsizing = townsiding

[Johann]

In case you get the gun.
Who dies?

TBD. Nanook had a list somewhere, someone in it. I'd like to think Mac and Jack are teammates, but it seems a bit too easy. I think it's probably only actually one of them, and the other is playing the other.

I can see Mac as scum more than Jack
Sell me that pitch by your words and not nanooks

I'm not really invested in you voting with me. Whichever one of them hatched this scheme doesn't expect you to be on my side of this, and even then, I still see being able to get the numbers to burn them on what they did here. So if you're more open-minded then they thought, it's still easier for me to show you that it's worth risking trusting me through my interactions with other people, not directly with you. You don't trust me. Fair enough. I've given you reason not to. So you're to tunneled on me to not be able to find a way to doubt anything I can tell you. If you have more specific questions I can try and help you get there that way, but I'm not going to be able to sell you on trusting me in the way you're asking here.

Listen here.

Those 2 have no influence on me what so ever, no one in this game does. I don't know any of you besides Dragomir. You maybe are my prime shot but i am not an idiot that will close them self in the shell and donkey it.

I am asking you a simple question. As someone who sees part of dougal that's scummy - why do YOU wanna kill him

The same reason anyone wants to kill anyone in mafia (well. usually, at least), I believe it's part of my win condition. I can see what Mac is trying to do here, but I think he misplayed, is mafia, and does not have the numbers to make his plan work. It could be close, but it's increasingly looking like it won't be. He's even lost you. Maybe not fully, but enough.

Ok
Listen here

Can you stop playing the victim for a second and answer in a simple manner - WHY DO YOU THINK DOUGALL IS SCUM.
I don't wanna hear stuff like " i can see what mac is trying to do here"
Like you have to have a reason , a reason you can put in words why is he scum. If you do put it in words or by god i will put a bullet in you

I asked this hour ago, he never answered
I am shooting him on principle i said i will.

I offered him a hand twice and he wasted both shots. If you can't formulate a simple reason why you think someone is scum without playing the victim i can't but call BS. IDK what i am supposed to do more. Get on knees and beg someone to give me a reason to change my mind?
Hell no, i asked nicely twice and nothing. Bullet it is

[MacDougall]

So, like, right now, I'm counting votes to give me a gun as votes to lynch Nutella, and votes to give Dusk a gun as votes to lynch me. Please correct me if I shouldn't be doing this right now.

This gives me pause a bit because I remember Duskfall being confused as to why Dragomir voted against giving Dusk the gun despite having a locked in town read on him. Perhaps the answer as to why Dragomir made such an outwardly risky move is because they believed Dusk would shoot Hyena.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

What happened to “I’ll do what the consensus says” lmao

[Johann]

So, like, right now, I'm counting votes to give me a gun as votes to lynch Nutella, and votes to give Dusk a gun as votes to lynch me. Please correct me if I shouldn't be doing this right now.

This gives me pause a bit because I remember Duskfall being confused as to why Dragomir voted against giving Dusk the gun despite having a locked in town read on him. Perhaps the answer as to why Dragomir made such an outwardly risky move is because they believed Dusk would shoot Hyena.

Or bcs Drago prefered nutella kill rather than hyena

[MacDougall]

So, like, right now, I'm counting votes to give me a gun as votes to lynch Nutella, and votes to give Dusk a gun as votes to lynch me. Please correct me if I shouldn't be doing this right now.

This gives me pause a bit because I remember Duskfall being confused as to why Dragomir voted against giving Dusk the gun despite having a locked in town read on him. Perhaps the answer as to why Dragomir made such an outwardly risky move is because they believed Dusk would shoot Hyena.

Or bcs Drago prefered nutella kill rather than hyena

That's quite the same thing but also you're missing my point. Dragomir didn't vote for Hyena to get the gun at end of day. He voted for me to have it. Despite Duskfall being his top town read. Duskfall was super confused by it and it formed the basis of his Dragomir scum read.

Dragomir didn't specifically want anyonr but NOT Duskfall to have the gun. I wasn't claiming to shoot Nutella at eod. Iirc I'd mostly talked about ass blasting Sloonei. Dragomir voted for me to keep Duskfall from having it. As demonstrated here Hyena believed Duskfall was going to shoot him. The suggestion is that Dragomir was desperate to keep the gun away from Duskfall to save Hyena.

[MacDougall]

What happened to “I’ll do what the consensus says” lmao

Dude stop agitating obviously you pissed him off as you intended, any more and you're just way overstepping frankly.

[Johann]

So, like, right now, I'm counting votes to give me a gun as votes to lynch Nutella, and votes to give Dusk a gun as votes to lynch me. Please correct me if I shouldn't be doing this right now.

This gives me pause a bit because I remember Duskfall being confused as to why Dragomir voted against giving Dusk the gun despite having a locked in town read on him. Perhaps the answer as to why Dragomir made such an outwardly risky move is because they believed Dusk would shoot Hyena.

Or bcs Drago prefered nutella kill rather than hyena

That's quite the same thing but also you're missing my point. Dragomir didn't vote for Hyena to get the gun at end of day. He voted for me to have it. Despite Duskfall being his top town read. Duskfall was super confused by it and it formed the basis of his Dragomir scum read.

Dragomir didn't specifically want anyonr but NOT Duskfall to have the gun. I wasn't claiming to shoot Nutella at eod. Iirc I'd mostly talked about ass blasting Sloonei. Dragomir voted for me to keep Duskfall from having it. As demonstrated here Hyena believed Duskfall was going to shoot him. The suggestion is that Dragomir was desperate to keep the gun away from Duskfall to save Hyena.

I see that possibility. But if Hyena is scum then Boo can't be it unless Hyena hard busses boo

[Johann]

Johann, I'm willing to make a compromise with you.

Right now, my PoE is {Boo, Jack, Mac, Wilgy}

I will let you put me in the PoE and even allow you to put a bullet in me if, AND ONLY IF, you can show me that one of the other four in my PoE is most likely town.

Does that sound fair?

Here is what i want from you.
Why Boo instead of you

Because Boo pretty much used the same argument that I was using to push Nutella, yet apparently, he never townread me for pushing Nutella. It's kinda like how Dragomir initially voted for me to get the gun because I promised to shoot Nutella throughout D1.

[Johann]

Hyena question for you

Why didnt you push for Dragomir despite scum reading him

I only started scumreading Dragomir at the beginning of D2. Two things happened that made me start scumreading him -- 1. Nutella flipped town, and 2. he voted to give Nanook the gun after Nanook said he wouldn't shoot Drago if he received the gun. I feel like I brought up both of these points multiple times throughout D2. That was my push on Dragomir. I wasn't as active on D2 as I was on D1, though, so maybe the volume of my posts (or the lack of it) made it feel like less of a push? Like, I feel like I did push for Drago.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

What happened to “I’ll do what the consensus says” lmao

Dude stop agitating obviously you pissed him off as you intended, any more and you're just way overstepping frankly.

Show me how this isn’t a legitimate question

[MacDougall]

Ah that's very good for Hyena. Thanks.

[Johann]

Ah that's very good for Hyena. Thanks.

Hyena and boo can never be last 2 scum. And judging from these 2 points i lean more towards boo than hyena being scum

[MacDougall]

What happened to “I’ll do what the consensus says” lmao

Dude stop agitating obviously you pissed him off as you intended, any more and you're just way overstepping frankly.

Show me how this isn’t a legitimate question

For one Johann is pissed off at you and told you he's ignoring you and that was like 15 minutes ago so he's had no time to cool off. There's no way he's going to joy react harshly at this.

And the lmao is very much teasing him.

If you're doing this on purpose and trying to play dumb I'm bery disappoint in u child.

[MacDougall]

Ah that's very good for Hyena. Thanks.

Hyena and boo can never be last 2 scum. And judging from these 2 points i lean more towards boo than hyena being scum

We're gonna be surprised by the final two one way or another so I wouldn't be so quick to make such absolute statements.

[Johann]

Ah that's very good for Hyena. Thanks.

Hyena and boo can never be last 2 scum. And judging from these 2 points i lean more towards boo than hyena being scum

We're gonna be surprised by the final two one way or another so I wouldn't be so quick to make such absolute statements.

If you were in hyenas shoes would you bus boo?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

What happened to “I’ll do what the consensus says” lmao

Dude stop agitating obviously you pissed him off as you intended, any more and you're just way overstepping frankly.

Show me how this isn’t a legitimate question

For one Johann is pissed off at you and told you he's ignoring you and that was like 15 minutes ago so he's had no time to cool off. There's no way he's going to joy react harshly at this.

And the lmao is very much teasing him.

If you're doing this on purpose and trying to play dumb I'm bery disappoint in u child.

It’s an entirely fair question/observation. He went from “a vote for me is a vote for consensus target” to “fuck you boo I’m shooting you” in like 30 seconds

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If he can’t handle entirely fair questions/observations...well tbh I don’t really give a fuck.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Locking shots in during the day is fairly suboptimal imo, let’s not do that

"I think Wilgy is mafia" is a more useful statement for reading the player who says it than "I townread FG" which is equally easy for scum and town to say and tells us nothing after the player who said it dies or after FG dies.